Packers Still Working Out Kinks with No-Huddle Offense

Green Bay is trying to fix issues with execution of its hurry-up offense.

Jordy Nelson and Mike McCarthy by Benny Sieu—USA TODAY Sports.

Jordy Nelson and Mike McCarthy by Benny Sieu—USA TODAY Sports.

You wouldn't think the Green Bay Packers would have this much trouble running a no-huddle offense.

It's not a new concept. They've been doing it to one extent or another for years.

They have a veteran quarterback that's one of the best in the NFL directing the traffic.

And when the Packers first-string offense ran the no-huddle in preseason football action, they looked almost unstoppable, which was particularly impressive with new starters at both the tight end and center positions.

Three games into the 2014 season, however, the offense has stalled. The Packers rank 28th in the league in total offense, contributing to a 1-2 start.

This is a team that's finished in the Top 10 of total offense in seven out of eight seasons Mike McCarthy has been coach. Understandably, his players think it's only a matter of time until they get back to that level.

"We're very confident," said wide receiver Jordy Nelson. "Even during the game last Sunday, every time we walked out there, we thought it would be the possession that we finally get rolling."

The offense has been working in spurts. The goal now is to find the consistency and the rhythm that's been missing.

"The Jets two-minute drive right before the end of the half was a good one," said Nelson. "I think the one we scored on last week was a good one. We just made the simple plays. Aaron hit me on a little stick route and just able to get vertical and get a few yards, and then we hit another one on a scramble and just did what we're supposed to do.

"And that's the thing about it. It's not that hard. You've just got to do what you're supposed to do. When we do that, we'll be successful, and you've got to get the chains moving and get the ball moving and stay in the tempo that we want."

What's been new to the Packers and something they're still trying to get used to is the personnel they use during their no-huddle series.

In order to run as many plays as possible, as fast as possible, the Packers have frequently been keeping the same players on the field, snap after snap. They don't want to substitute, which would allow the defense to substitute as well.

What that means for the Packers is that they've been running out of a three wide receiver, one running back and one tight end set far more frequently than they've ever done in the past.

As pointed out by Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com, the Packers have used three wide receiver sets 78.4 percent of the time in 2014, which has more than doubled since 2010 when they used such sets only 35.6 percent of the time.

One result has been less creativity, such as bunch formations to one side of the field, or two-tight end sets or the inverted wishbone.

"You can also make the argument, what is your best personnel?" said McCarthy. "How much more do you want to take your third receiver off the field and bring a second tight end? Or are you just going to play with one back? Or bring a fullback on? Those are things that are all part of the conversation, and really as your roster develops, where we are in our program, particularly with our quarterback, this is clearly the way we’re structured is the best utilization of our players."

The limitations have presented some problems. In the running game, the Packers have not been able to get blocking fullback John Kuhn onto the field.

At tight end, Richard Rodgers has been prone to making predictable rookie mistakes.

And among the wide receivers, Nelson is the only one consistently getting open while Randall Cobb, Jarett Boykin and Davante Adams have each had their relative struggles.

The troubles of the passing game, in particular, have been baffling, if for no other reason than the consistent success people  have been accustomed to seeing out of Rodgers.

Regardless of which 11 players the Packers deploy, it comes down to winning individual battles, something the Packers haven't been doing.

"I think if they're drawing more attention to a certain guy, then you're going to have match-ups somewhere else," Nelson. "We just need to find those holes and where the weakness in the coverage is or not as much help. And guys need to make the plays when they get the opportunity. It's nothing different than any other game. There's going to be one-on-one match-ups, and we need to make sure we're going to win those."

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:04 am

A few reasons why i don think the hurry up hasn't been working.

1. They have faced 3 very good defenses.
2. They haven't been spreading the ball around enough. And when they have other players haven't capitalized with their opportunities. Jordy is clearly the #1 WR, but Rodgers has been keying in on him a little to much.
3. They haven't been able to get the run game going like they thought it would be by now. I know we all like what Linsley has done so far, but would we be better with Tretter right now? Does Tretter make a big difference? Also losing Bulaga in the first game I think has really hurt them getting it going.

I think something they need to do more of though is changing personnel and formations until they find the match ups they like and then exploit it with the hurry up. Use more 2 TE sets. I would like to see Bostick being used because he is more of the Finley type of TE that can create mismatches in the passing game.

I sort of think that one of the reasons why the hurry up hasn't been working is because they haven't been in favorable match ups.

So basically what I want to see is to try different personnel and formations and as soon as they get the match ups they like, crank up the speed and wear out the defense with it.

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:23 am

I think Tretter makes just about zero difference.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:46 am

I do really like Linsley. But i do wonder if a bit of the early struggles in the run game is due to them missing Tretter. He was essentially the starting Center throughout the entire offseason. Linsley never got a snap with the first string offense until Tretter went down with 2 weeks left of preseason.

So I do wonder if the cohesiveness that the line was gaining with Tretter as the starting center hasn't yet formed with Linsley.

I think they will be fine. I just wonder if some of the early struggles have been due to that.

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:54 am

I don't know - I'm no expert, but I haven't seen any major signs of struggle from Linsley. I get he doesn't have the reps and might not have the same cohesiveness, but I'm not seeing that really translating to his play. I don't think the center is the issue.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:09 pm

I'm far from an expert as well. I haven't seen him personally struggle, but have Sitton and Lang had to alter their games a bit with Linsley?

Basically what I'm saying is since Linsley didn't get a lot of playing time with Linsley until basically the season started, it may take a bit of time for them to find their Rhythm.

I agree that there are a lot of bigger issues then center. I just wonder though if that is a part of it.

Again, though I am a fan of Linsley and thought he has played well thus far.

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:12 pm

..."but have Sitton and Lang had to alter their games a bit with Linsley?"

That's certainly possible. They both have struggled at various times so far this season. Maybe they're being forced to overcompensate somehow for an inexperienced center...?

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:19 pm

That is basically the question I am asking.

I don't know the answer to that.

Like I said, I really like Linsley, and I think he is doing really well and will be really good. But i do wonder if the early struggles in the run game in part has been from him getting little reps with Sitton and Lang until right before the season and they haven't gelled yet.

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:17 pm

And I know we still have some time, but I'm sticking with my prediction that Tretter doesn't get his job back.

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:21 pm

Yeah, i think your prediction is right.

I think the offense will be performing at a high level by then, and they will stick with Linsley as well...

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2014 at 06:00 pm

All makes sense to me. I understand the reason of going to the no huddle was to keep the O on the field and tire our the opposing D. But that means getting first downs and moving the chains right?.
So run run bomb punt is not the way to go about it when the O line is collapsing in 2 seconds. My worry is this stubbornness to run 75 plays. Each year there is a new twist, but I could care less how many plays they run. I care how many first downs they get. TOP is what matters. I'm sick of hearing about 75.Also we are best when we throw to multiple receivers. That is when we are most dynamic, so if Rodgers don't trust anyone but Jordan were in trouble. Never thought I would miss JJ that much, or Finley.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

September 26, 2014 at 12:11 am

Since GB is playing 3WRs, 1TE, 1RB quite a bit, then one might suggest that in terms of offensive line cohesiveness that the new tight end, Richard Rodgers, and his -3.9 run blocking grade from PFF over his first 3 games, might be some or even a lot of the problem.

I hope Tretter beats out Linsley when he returns, but only if Tretter's play is superior, and not because MM (Mr. Stubborn) just hands it to him. I don't expect that to happen. Tretter looked very good in preseason, but then I watched GB run wild to the left behind Bakhtiari, Sitton and Tretter/Linsley during the preseason, but not so much during real games. (As a note, Bakhtiari's play seems to be improving as the season progresses.) The thought was that Tretter is a little bigger (but not stronger) than Linsley, and that Tretter was more mobile, thus able to make blocks at the second level better than Linsley. The coaches reportedly were pleasantly surprised that Linsley was able to make those 2nd level blocks better that his scouting report suggested, but I never read anything where a coach/scout compared the two.

It stands to reason if you can't run right behind Lang, Sherrod and R. Rodgers, defenses will key to make it tougher to run up the middle and to the left. Bulaga's return should really help.

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Barnacle's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:27 am

MM has finally overloaded the offense with razzle dazzle, similiar to Capers continueing additions to the defense. These "improvements" have got our players thinking instead of playing. I am sure each addition is simple, but too "bright ideas" has caused clutter and basic fundamentals are lost in the clutter.

MM and Capers remind me of the analytical golfer who has too many swing thoughts and screws up a good swing by thinking too much.

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:40 am

Really? Hasn't the biggest refrain all week been how simple and unimaginative the offense has been this season? In fact, a total lack of razzle dazzle?

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:14 pm

Yep, they made it very simple so they could try and run 75 plays a game.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0JM3h7IQk

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 06:02 pm

You get all the thumbs up.

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KenEllis's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:52 am

But, but, but, MM told us all that he felt better about this team coming out of training camp than just about any other squad in his 9 years in Green Bay, did he not?

How long will it take for the offensive kinks to be worked out?

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 06:01 pm

I say just about 3 days and 20 minutes or so...

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White92's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:58 am

The thing about this no huddle that has concerned me is the toll it takes on the defense when you are not moving the ball.

I'm not a big fan of the no huddle to be honest. Shouldn't you have enough confidence in your own personnel regardless of the substitutions the defense makes? As it has been pointed out, they still have to win one on one battles..

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:12 pm

I like the no huddle, hurry up when the offense finds a match up they like and can exploit it.
For example, if the defense gets into a nickel or dime defense and the offense is able to run on them in that, then I love to see the hurry up to not allow the defense change out of that.

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jallenpowell17's picture

September 25, 2014 at 06:22 pm

Exactly. What's the problem with being multiple in personnel/formations in huddle and then when they find one that is gashing a certain defense, immediately switch to up-tempo no-huddle. It seems this offense is sophisticated enough to change speeds at will, it certainly has the quarterback to do so.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:09 pm

In 2010 they had Driver, Jennings, Jones and Nelson and they go three wide 35% of the time. Now they have Nelson and half a Cobb and they go three wide 78%. According to MM three wide is now the best personnel grouping, so much better that it's barely worth trying anything else.

Nice try Mike, there is no logic there at all. Now I know why you won't answer Tom Silverstein's scheme questions.

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:19 pm

Off topic - in my excitement that "everyone" has been practicing the last two days, I forgot that that includes Brad Jones...

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RCPackerFan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:24 pm

I did see though that he was 'limited'.

I still don't know if they meant he was a limited player from injury, or are just referring to him as a player in general, as being a limited player. :-)

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Evan's picture

September 25, 2014 at 12:26 pm

ha! I wish that's how they worked. "No, he's 100% healthy, he just pretty much sucks."

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zoellner25's picture

September 25, 2014 at 09:01 pm

Brad Jones was born limited

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Tundraboy's picture

September 25, 2014 at 06:03 pm

Yes back to Hawk and Jones

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Matt DeJaynes's picture

September 25, 2014 at 09:20 pm

The Problem is really quite simple. Its not a matter of who is on the field or off the field. The offensive line needs to do its job and PROTECT AARON RODGERS! Here we have the best QB in the game and paid as such, and watch him get smashed and crushed into the ground 6-7 times a game. The offense all starts with the OL. Yes you need a talented QB and a stellar RB helps, but if they dont get the protection they need, the offense as a whole will be ineffective.

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FITZCORE1252's picture

September 25, 2014 at 11:10 pm

Some truth to that. But, coach needs to mix it up a bit, maybe call something out of the norm for a certain down and distance. The WR needs to get some separation. The running game needs to put a little fear in the D. And QB1 needs to take what's available, and get the ball out of his hand. This would all help protect Rodgers, its not all on the O line.

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