Packers Standing Pat at Pass Rush Might Just Be Okay
The Packers' lone offseason splash at edge rusher was resigning Nick Perry. Otherwise their approach to attacking the opposing QBs remains unchanged.
By dnicholson
The Packers' lone offseason splash at edge rusher was resigning Nick Perry. Otherwise their approach to attacking the opposing QBs remains unchanged.
By dnicholson
Comments (15)
TarynsEyes
June 19, 2017 at 05:41 pm
" The Packers' lone offseason splash at edge rusher was resigning Nick Perry. "
You meant ' splat ' right?
dobber
June 20, 2017 at 08:53 am
I guess we'll find out...
porupack
June 19, 2017 at 08:22 pm
David, you make a very good case for optimism, especially the points about better coverage will increase the production of pass rushers if they can cause even a split second longer hesitation by opposing QBs. I even get your optimism on Fackrell and Elliot to contribute some. I also agree with you that Capers is building some real weapons with blitzing safeties JJones/Burnett. But I just believe there were some modest veteran agents out there that could have been brought in (though I can't name any). But actually...my only gripe that remains on the defensive side is not bringing a vet ILB, which I also think there were some modest contracts to be had.
dobber
June 20, 2017 at 09:08 am
For as bad as the ILB position was a few years ago, I just don't see it as a liability anymore. Maybe a sideline-to-sideline, 3 down ILB would be good to have, but with the sub packages the Packers run, I just don't see it as a necessity.
Thegreatreynoldo
June 20, 2017 at 12:32 am
Of course, the issue is that the packers did not stand pat: they lost 2 OLBs. Jones and Peppers played 1135 snaps, but 467 of them came while playing with a hand in the dirt. I think with RJF, Lowry, Clark, and to a much lesser extent, M. Adams, the packers have more than replaced the DL snaps provided by Peppers and Jones, probably with an upgrade, but that still leaves 883 OLB snaps to replace from the departed pair.
Given health, Perry and CM3 can play hundreds of snaps more than they did last year. So, still need 500+ more snaps. Does anyone even know who that rotational 3rd OLB will be? Does anyone know if that player will be even NFL average, much less good? If CM3 and Perry play 14 of the 16 regular season games (which is optimistic based on their history) that 3rd string OLB has to start 4 or more games. I thiiink Fackrell is going to pan out, but we really could use 4 decent OLBs.
dobber
June 20, 2017 at 09:01 am
Here's what I'll say based on the way the Packer OLBs are aligned right now: they will have to play a different style of 3-4 (or whatever hybrid nickel they choose to play as a base) than what they've been playing in recent years. Neither Peppers nor Jones were guys who were going to play in space very much. They were liabilities playing that way. We've seen how many snaps they played last year...the Packers are going to need to use their personnel in a different way, and the guys they are counting on to do that--Biegel, Fackrell, and Elliott (or as I call the three-headed monster: Biegrelliott)--are going to be better in space (maybe not so much Elliott, but Fackrell and Biegel) and bring flexibility to the defense. I'm not saying the OLB position will be better, but out of necessity will be used differently.
I've been clamoring for a quality edge player since the season ended. I felt that was the best way to go early in the draft--based on the fact that there were plenty of good CBs and that they'd signed House--to help the defense, and that they might have to dip there twice just to make sure they were covered (especially if they cut CMIII loose after this season) given the uncertainty in the depth players they have. OLB and the pass rush in general could be riding the edge of the knife this season. Cross your fingers.
CJBauckham
June 20, 2017 at 12:14 pm
Biegrelliot, lmao. That's fantastic.
BPEARSON21
June 20, 2017 at 09:32 am
I like the points about how the production (or lack there of) from Jones and Peppers is replaceable. That's a good way of thinking about it that I hadn't realized before, but it's true. Yes Peppers is a big name in the NFL and Jones was a former first rounder but their production is replaceable at half the cost that they got elsewhere with our young rookies still on their first contracts. So that seems like a smart move by TT to me.
I also like Dean Lowry and Fackrell, at least enough to give them a shot. They're unproven I suppose, but this year they'll have a sufficient amount of snaps to show us what they've really got. I've attached a link to an ESPN article that came out yesterday about the Packers off-season. It basically sums up exactly what I've been complaining about all off-season on this blog (as most of you probably know lol). It's a quick concise good read. I generally hate ESPN articles about the Packers because they're so surface level but this one I appreciated.
http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/39142/green-bay-pac...
Arthur.Jackson
June 20, 2017 at 10:11 am
I look at that list and I see that, while QB position is by it's nature, the most important position, the NFL rules have put the position far above any other. Hence we see guys like Kirk Cousins, Joe Flacco and Eli Manning in the top 10 and guys like Brock Osweiler and Sam Bradford at 17 ahead of guys like JJ Watt.
Looking at pass rushers, while it seems it is an extremely tough position to have success, you can be unbalanced and succeed as a team. IE you can cause problems for an offense if you are really good like Watt or Von Miller with a jag on the other side. In coverage it's sure nice to have a dominant corner to shut down a #1 receiver, but it's more important to have a minimum level of competence across the board or the offenses are just going to hit that weak spot all game long. One terrible cover guy can be exploited far easier than one terrible pass rusher.
PackEyedOptimist
June 20, 2017 at 10:28 am
Personally, I think Capers is going to do a lot of creative blitzing with the new roster. I think we're going to see at least 3-4 sacks from both Josh Jones out of ILB and D Randall out of the slot.
A real dark horse in the pass rush is M Adams--I don't think he'll be able to do it as a rookie, as that rarely occurs, but he has the strength and quickness/burst to make a difference in an "attacking" defense.
The "need" for pass rush from the outside linebackers may become a false truism...
egbertsouse
June 21, 2017 at 08:10 am
TT is trying to solve another problem by using the "cross your fingers and close your eyes and wish really hard" approach. I agree that if Perry and Fabio stay injury free this year and all the young guys live up to their potential, the pass rush will be fine. The operative word in the last sentence is "if." I think that outcome is a long-shot.
dobber
June 21, 2017 at 08:56 am
I tend to agree in that TT seems to be in a "well, let's roll with it and see what happens" mode. It's making many of us more than a little uneasy.
Thegreatreynoldo
June 21, 2017 at 09:26 am
SF paid Dumervil 2 yrs, $8M, with $1.5M guaranteed. The 2nd year is actually an option that SF can exercise for an additional $500K. I never went back and looked at film of Dumervil's last few games, when some articles suggested that he started to regain his form. Seems a bit pricey to me, but again, didn't watch any film on him.
[The OTC figures actually make no sense to me, particularly the prorated bonus #s and dead money numbers. Niners nation has essentially the same info.]
Thegreatreynoldo
June 21, 2017 at 09:30 am
Sorry, I can't post the link to OTC. This site frequently won't allow a post if there is even a single link.
JerseyAl
June 21, 2017 at 01:27 pm
There are other links posted above, so what do you mean?