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Packers Podcast: Knee-Jerk Reaction to Corey Linsley and Jared Abbrederis

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Packers Podcast: Knee-Jerk Reaction to Corey Linsley and Jared Abbrederis

Fifth-Round Reaction

The Green Bay Packers made two selections in the fifth round, both players coming out of the Big Ten—Ohio State center Corey Linsley and Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis. Giving their opinions on each of these players are "Pigskin" Paul Guillemette and Andrew Garda, who once again checks in from Radio City Music Hall in New York City.

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hump's picture

1st team all big 10 center,has a shot,can play g or t as you would expect from tt pick. jared abbrederis is a frkn home run in the 5th, absolutely love this one ted!!! and if that wasnt enough....jeff janis in the 7th. 6'3 runs 4.37 and has great hands. as much as i criticsize ted,he can sure pull some s#$t out of his ass when it comes to supplying arod with targets!! jordy nelson....randall cobb.....jarrett boykin.....davante adams.....jared abbrederis.....jeff janis!!!!! no need to worry about receiver for the next 5 years!!

Stroh's picture

Abbrederis has to beat out Miles White for a BACKUP slot receiver to Cobb. Janis probably goes on the PS for a year to see if he develops. They have Dorsey who was on IR last year coming back. Lots of competition for WR jobs. Just hope they get Jordy a contract for another 3 or 4 yrs, along w/ Cobb. NONE of these guys is approaching anything resembling Nelson and Cobb. Like Adams and Boykin will be a good Jones type guy.

Lets not get carried away about about good for 5 yrs...

4thand1's picture

Janis played in the GLIAC. He played against Michigan Tech, my home town way way up North. He looked like a man among boys.

Stroh's picture

Have a buddy that went to Mich Tech. Was there once for a weekend. Too much snow, not enough sun. Janis has physical tools, but he's got a long way to go. Draft and Develop... Can he become a Driver?

Jordan's picture

Miles White is as good as gone. There's about a zero chance that Miles White makes the 53 man roster.

Stroh's picture

Probably so, but I wasn't saying he would make the roster, only that Abbrederis has to beat him out, along w/ Dorsey and a slew of other WR.

COW's picture

Jordy's last season in GB.

DrealynWilliams's picture

No way Jordy doesn't retire a Packer.

Jordy loves Green Bay and Green Bay loves them some Jordy.

You see (the Pack drafting 2 WRs) as someone not getting resigned and I see it as the Pack wanting to go more 5-Wide this season.

1.Jordy
2.Cobb.
3.Adams
4.Boykin
5.Abbrederis/Janis/Bostick/White/Harper

Brutus10's picture

"Jordy loves Green Bay and Green Bay loves them some Jordy."

You may very well be correct but this has little to do with Jordy's next & quite possibly his last chance for a final mega-contract in his career. He's only a little over a year away from 30 years old.

If TT low-balls him, he'll be following the money. All players do it.

DrealynWilliams's picture

GB doesn't/wouldn't low ball players like Jordy.

All he does is produce and be a leader.

Now,there's a difference in "low-balling" and only offering what you have. I believe the Pack will be stressed for cap space attempting to resign both Nelson + Cobb.

But I have no worries of losing Nelson due to GB "low balling" him.

Brutus10's picture

Fine, don't use the word low-ball. However, "offering what you have" is only another way of saying GB is not managing their cap well enough to re-sign Jordy.

TT didn't draft 3 WRs just to keep one or two.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Sooooo,we're just going to act like the amount of money given to A-Rod and Clay was small???

Does liking your own post(s) make you feel some type of way?

Brutus10's picture

You're right. ---The amount of money given to AR and Clay is not small. That's part of the problem. The cap will always be stressed as long as AR & Clay are under contract. Of course there's money left for others but there are 31 other teams when talking free-agency.

BTW, why would I post something if I didn't like it?

Stroh's picture

Beyond Rodgers and Matthews is easily the next best playmaker on the team and they don't have anyone nearly ready to take over his #1 WR role. He's among the top 10-12 WR in the NFL. I don't see the Packers letting him walk. Different when Jennings as allowed to leave since everyone already knew that Jordy was ready to assume that role.

Jordan's picture

You're exactly right brutisk. Ted Thompson almost always drafts a player as leverage. Or a "just in case". Adams is leverage so he doesn't have to over pay Nelson. And he's there in case Nelson gets hurt.

He drafted Cobb in case he couldn't resign Jennings. Cobb was leverage.
He didn't have anyone as leverage when he signed Brad Jones...and had to over pay.

Of course the Packers want Nelson back. Nelson is probably the most under paid veteran WR in the NFL. I would imagine Nelson wants to stay, but he may get an offer that he can't refuse from some team like the raiders or chiefs. The chiefs would be my biggest worry. He might want to go back home. They love him in KC/Kansas too. He drove the NASCAR pace car last month there. He's still a local hero there.

JimTaylor31's picture

Or they are trying to create a high level of competition at a position where solid depth is a necessity due to injury. The attrition rate for the WRs is pretty high. We haven't had the first mini camp yet. Our two WR draft picks (Johnson, Dorsey) didn't even make through the first mini camp last year. I think we'll have to see who is still standing at the end of TC.

4thand1's picture

Cow you still suck, you will always suck, it must suck to be you.

Roger Over's picture

Boykin is someone who I think can be beat out. I like the Abaderis pick, the guy is a worker I was glad to see him picked. Attitude and hard work are everything.
This kid from SVS can be a sleeper too.
I would love to get down on Ted for this draft but this may be a very good draft for him.
The TE pick is the only iffy I have. He is not big, fast or possess great hands. Duh!

4thand1's picture

WTF is supposed to be 7' 310 lbs and run a 4.4? Said to be a good blocker and have good hands. I don't know where you get your info from. No matter who the GM is in GB people would find something to bitch about.

Brutus10's picture

Maybe you need to read more. --Here's what CBS has noted about R. Rodgers.

"Lacks the bulk and strength to hold up as an in-line blocker in the NFL. "
"Possesses the ability to make the incredible catch but will drop the occasional easy pass and struggles in traffic."
"Only started 11 of 37 games over his collegiate career. "

He was projected to go in the 6-7 round. TT took him in the 3rd.
No one's bitching, only curious.

4thand1's picture

Was responding to roger over. Not big? 6' 4" 257 is not small. Draft and develop. Can easily put on 10 lbs. Hell , Ray Lewis was 225 when he was drafted. It seemed to be a bit of a reach , but that's who they had on their board. None of us are scouts or have done the home work the Packers have done.

Stroh's picture

Rodgers said he expects to play at about 265. He used to be a 275 lb blocking TE, surely that's not a skill he completely lost along w/ the 30 lbs. He'll have to work to refine his technique but he's got a leg up on the TE in this draft in that regard already. Along w/ becoming a better blocker he still has good hands, you don't lose those just by gaining weight. In a year or so he could easily be the dual threat TE that the Packers need. He won't be a dominant receiver like Gronk but he'll still have reliable hands.

He should become a really good blocker and a reliable receiver even if he's not a game breaking receiver in the Finley mold.

Charlie M's picture

Linsley is a really strong guy. Put up the second most bench reps at the combine. To me he looks like he's good at walling off in the run game. The knock on him is his athleticism but I think he gets to the second level well and is a good helper in pass pro. Where he'll struggle is likely with a quick twitch interior rushers. Going against mike Daniels in camp could help him a lot. He made all the line calls as a 2 year starter at osu which is a plus. I have a feeling he's going to be the opening day starter at c.

Jordan's picture

I like Linsley too. I still think they'll go with Tretter as starter with Linsley as the new long snapper and backup center.

If Tretter fails at center, they'll have Linsley.

Stroh's picture

Long snapper? How do you figure? Has he ever done any long snapping in college? Long snapping is completely different than being a Center. Its an acquired skill, one that long snappers work hard to perfect and they have to be perfect and accurate and get the ball to the punter/holder VERY quickly. In essence they are throwing a pass between their legs.

Being a Center doesn't allow them the time to long snap. Completely different skills than doing a shot gun snap. A Center might have as much chance of being a punter as a long snapper.

Charlie M's picture

Settle down beavis. Mayock said he can long snap.

DrealynWilliams's picture

WOW!

The more I watch his film the more I like this guy. How in the hell did this guy fall to us in the 5th!? I've watched 4 of his "Abbrederis vs 'team x'" videos, zero of the "Abbrederis highlight" videos and I'm buying! I don't know his final 2 year stats,but I'm pretty sure he could have had monstrous numbers with a better QB. This guy is a technician. Very smart football player. Very dependable.

Let me stop before I end up typing an article.

JimTaylor31's picture

I think one reason Abbrederis fell is his strength, or lack thereof. He'll have to hit the weight room and put on some muscle to compete physically against the stronger DBs in the NFL. His numbers for the bench press were the lowest at the combine: 4 reps. If he can gain about 15-20 lbs of muscle then he should be OK. Otherwise it'll be a tough road.

Stroh's picture

Poor strength and concussions, along w/ no explosiveness or gamebreaking ability. He went about where I thought he would go... Overrated IMO. He was the only receiver that Stave would even look at, so of course he caught his share of passes. Does a decent job of getting himself open that's his only discernible trait.

DrealynWilliams's picture

He went where you thought he would go,but he's overrated???

Stroh's picture

Others said 3rd round for him (over-rated). I expected late 4th or 5th.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Low-ball Nelson? The usual knock is that TT overpays his own guys. I suspect that TT will try hard to re-sign Nelson, though it might be for 4 years or structured carefully due to Nelson's age. It is really hard to find a legitimate #1 receiver.

Drafting for leverage? No, it is only prudent to have replacements in case a player wants to go to team closer to home, has exorbitant demands, or simply gets injured. I suspect players look to see if the team has a viable replacement on the roster during contract negotiations, too.

4thand1's picture

+1. When Jordy gets injured like cow predicts, the Pack will have no shortage at WR. Guess that's leverage

COW's picture

Why all the hate?

Just my opinion that the Packers are planning for life after Jordy.
Jennings--->Cobb
Jones--->Boykin
Nelson--->Nelson

Jordy's almost 30, has a history of leg injuries, has younger replacements behind him, is currently being paid FAR below his market value, and is second in the resigning line to Cobb (younger).

We just need to hope that Adams pans out.

4thand1's picture

Jordy had no problem signing his last contract. That's why he is who he is and the Packers and fans really like him. I'm sure he and the Packers will work out a contract with no problem. Has anyone EVER heard him say anything about money?
PS, I don't hate you, just your negative, feather ruffling posts. Question for you should be, why all the hate for TT, MM and the Packers?

COW's picture

"Question for you should be, why all the hate for TT, MM and the Packers?"

Because they (TT, MM) are wasting Rodgers.

Stroh's picture

They're not wasting anyone. There were career ending injuries to the 2 best defensive playmakers and leaders. You seem to overlook that fact all the time in your haste to condemn Thompson/McCarthy. Its not so hard to replace just a starter, but its MUCH more difficult to replace playmakers! Especially ones in the prime of their careers. It also happened to accelerate signing bonus money that create a cap hit!

You CHOOSE to ignore all this obvious info as tho its meaningless, so you can continue to condemn anything Thompson, McCarthy or the Packers do. And you wonder why we question your allegiance?!

Brutus10's picture

Collins & Bishop, again ???
Collins has been gone almost 3 years and only now has Thompson made a legitimate attempt to replace him with Ha-Ha.
You're the only person I know that thinks Bishop was an impact player. He was just good & only that for a short while in GB.

You need to dump the G&G glasses. You're embarrassing yourself.

Stroh's picture

Really?

in '10 Bishop (in 12 games) had only slight lower production (both 8 PD, I fewer INT, 2 fewer FF). In fact that season for Bishop (12 games) was better than any other season Bowman had prior to this year. That is while playing next to Hawk as opposed to playing next to Patrick Willis, which would create a lot more opportunities, since teams would obviously scheme to get to Hawk.

Not a playmaker huh?

Stop, your embarrassing yourself!

DrealynWilliams's picture

Stroh,I had about 2 paragraphs of stats/facts ready to unload on him but afterwards I realized it wouldn't do any good to people that think the way he does. Just wasted time and energy.

We have to stop feeding these trolls.

Brutus10's picture

Keep your stats. Same question:
How many Pro-Bowl rosters did Bishop make in his GB career?

Brutus10's picture

Strohman

Just more cherry-picking on your part. I could waste my time in a response but ------
Just one quick question: How many Pro-Bowl rosters did Bishop show up on in his Packer career?

4thand1's picture

brutus the baker. Trying to keep a lower profile?

Brutus10's picture

????? ---Sorry, but ----
You rarely make any sense.

Jordan's picture

4th and 1 is the resident homer troll (in case you haven't figured it out).

And Stroh is the resident blowhard (in case you haven't figured it out)

Stroh's picture

And your the resident fool (in case you haven't figured it out yet).

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Packers will now sign some UDFAs too for more "leverage." There will be lots of competition at most positions and it appears that the decisions will be determined on merit. TT does such a good job managing the cap that financial considerations generally don't have to drive roster decisions. With 9 CBs currently, Bush ($333k dead/$1.7 Million cap savings) will have to prove his worth. Latimore ($0/$1.431M), Hawk ($3.2m/$1.9m), B. Jones ($2m/$1.9m), and Sherrod ($825K/$1.275M) are the only players I see that would have any significant impact on the salary cap. Obviously, I am not including AROD, Nelson and the like, and I am not suggesting anyone should or will be cut (players haven't even taken the field yet).

DraftHobbyist's picture

It's true. Jordy is gone next year. We can get a 3rd round comp pick for him most likely, save a bunch of money, and we have the WR's to replace him now.

Stroh's picture

What other legit #1 WR do you see on the roster? As much as I like Cobb, he's a complimentary WR as a slot receiver, not a legit #1 WR. They tried to sign Jennings to a contract extension that would have kept him in GB well beyond 30 yrs old, they'll do the same w/ Jordy. Having depth, doesn't mean any of them are close to being a #1 WR like Jordy is!

hump's picture

yeah....so we can draft another richard rodgers with the 3rd rd comp pick

4thand1's picture

The trolls are back. They are getting the likes and dishing out the dislikes. Childish little fucks

Stroh's picture

Giving themselves the "likes" due to multiple personality (screen names) disorder you mean!

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Jordy is a legitimate #1 receiver. There aren't too many of them, especially ones that are 6'3", fast, with great body control and hands. I am betting TT re-signs Nelson. The NFL has less love for slot receivers. I would bet that Nelson's new contract is for more $ per year, with a higher % guaranteed than Cobb's new contract, even though Cobb offers some versatility as a PR and occasional half back.

BTW, saw Sherman's tweet (CB Seattle) that his new contract is 4 years, $57 total, with $40 million guaranteed. WOW: 70% of the max value is guaranteed! I defended TT's signing of Shields (4 yrs, $39 Million, $12.5 guaranteed or 32%). One can argue that Sherman is better than Shields, but the deal is an eye-opener.

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