Packers' Jordy Nelson Release Was Difficult, but Necessary
-- How do you go about replacing what was left on the table by Jordy Nelson? The Green Bay Packers will have to figure it out.
The 32-year-old receiver was released from the team on Tuesday, putting to bed a 10-year career in Green Bay that amassed the fifth-most yards in team history, the second-most touchdowns and the fifth-most receptions.
It's obvious that a move like this wouldn't sit right in the stomachs of those who have been following the team through the course of Nelson's career -- ever since he was drafted out of Kansas State in 2008 -- and rightfully so. Obviously, the hardest part of moving on is actually doing it.
From a fan perspective, this still may not make a whole lot of sense. From a football perspective, it made all the sense in the world.
Nelson was set to earn over $12 million in 2018 unless the Packers restructured his contract, which, by doing so, they would be able to lower his cap hit and generate more cap space for their own usage. Rather than cutting his pay to a more reasonable number, the Packers reportedly asked Nelson to play on a deal just above the veteran minimum salary, which is just over one million dollars.
Obviously, that's not something Nelson took a liking to. As a result, the Packers were able to release him and save $10.2 million in cap space.
A good chunk of that money will be put into the deal for tight end Jimmy Graham, who was reported to have a deal in place with the Packers just moments before the news on Nelson broke. His deal is expected to average in the area of $10 million per year for three years.
For a majority of the offseason, the Packers had the glaring decision staring them in the face; a decision that, no matter which way it swayed, neither side would escape unscathed. It was either Nelson or fellow receiver Randall Cobb take a pay cut -- or both -- or one of the two gets released.
That just so happened to be the fan favorite in Nelson, who now has visits lined up with the Oakland Raiders, Seattle Seahawks and New Orleans Saints. It didn't take long for Nelson to generate interest on the open market, despite his significant downward spike in play with Brett Hundley at quarterback last season for the Packers.
Cobb, who will also earn north of $12 million this upcoming season, is believed to have drastically underperformed since receiving his latest contract from the Packers during the 2015 offseason. The four-year, $40 million dollar deal he struck after eclipsing 1,000 yards and double-digit touchdown receptions in 2014 was issued with the expectation he'd be able to replicate his breakout season.
So far, that hasn't been the case. He does host an above average catch rate and seems to be quarterback Aaron Rodgers' security blanket in must-have situations, but Cobb's role that sees him thriving primarily from the slot evidently doesn't match the figures of his contract. That may be enough to trigger a restructured deal in the coming days.
By extending Cobb, the Packers would save $6.4 million in cap space. That's enough to ink a contract with a role player off the market if the fit is right.
That's why the Nelson move makes sense. Rather than releasing him a year too late, the Packers put themselves at the risk of potentially releasing him a year too soon -- and that's okay. With his money, they were able to upgrade at other positions, such as filling the void at tight end or beefing up the defensive line with Muhammad Wilkerson.
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— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) March 14, 2018
While the 27-year-old Cobb may very well be younger than Nelson, Nelson's value skyrocketed tenfold when Rodgers was the one throwing his way.
After tearing his ACL in 2015, Nelson led the NFL in 2016 with 14 touchdown receptions, and he was on his way to doing it again in 2017 prior to Rodgers' collarbone injury. Before Rodgers went down, Nelson's total was at six through the first five games -- and that's how he would finish the season.
With Hundley at the helm, Nelson didn't haul in a single touchdown for the remaining 10 games of the season.
The connection Rodgers and Nelson formed on the field became a hallmark that couldn't be duplicated. It led to them connecting to 65 total touchdowns, which eclipsed Brett Favre and Antonio Freeman's 57 for the most by a quarterback-receiver duo in team history.
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— Aaron Nagler (@AaronNagler) March 14, 2018
Now, it's about forming a new connection for Rodgers, whose primary target in 2018 -- and beyond -- will be Davante Adams.
There's a good chance the Packers will target a receiver during the first two rounds of April's draft. Nelson, Cobb and Adams were all second-round picks under former G.M. Ted Thompson, and it's about time they aim for Nelson's successor.
As of right now, the Packers essentially have Adams, Cobb and then everyone else. Geronimo Allison and Michael Clark both signed their exclusive rights tenders this week, joining the roster that houses the aforementioned starting duo along with Trevor Davis, DeAngelo Yancey, Colby Pearson and Jake Kumerow.
Jeff Janis' contract expiring, making him an unrestricted free agent as of Wednesday at the start of the new league year. However, he's proven to be more of a valuable asset as a gunner on special teams rather than a dynamic receiving threat.
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Comments (124)
Lare
March 15, 2018 at 05:23 am
I think everyone will agree that Jordy's decline in production was not worth $12 million per year, but by the same token he is worth more than the veteran's minimum. We'll never know what happened during the negotiation phase.
The bottom line is the team has to improve their speed at the WR position one way or another, even if it also means cutting Randall Cobb.
We're a long way from the start of the season, will be interesting to see how this rebuilding progresses.
Savage57
March 15, 2018 at 11:50 am
If Nelson winds up being reasonably productive next season on $14M, 2-year deal, and Graham winds up being Jimmy Recent and not Jimmy Four Years Ago, Gute will have burned up a lot of his honeymoon-phase goodwill with fans.
GBPDAN1
March 15, 2018 at 12:11 pm
I wonder if Jordy would have stayed for 3-4M? Offering him 1m was insulting and disgraceful. He's worth more then that. I know he has declined physically, but he was still adequate with Rodgers throwing. He must be irked knowing Cobb stayed for 11-12M. The packers should have renegotiated Cobb prior to Jordy being cut. Cobb has a little more leverage now, knowing the teams WR crop has thinned out . For the amount of money Cobb is being paid, he should be able to perform well on the outside, which he 's unable to.
So now we need a fast outside WR, two quality CBs, another decent OLB ( CM3 and Perry will probably miss games again and CM3 has lost his game rushing from the edge), probably a safety if MB leaves, more O line help and depth everywhere. We still have a long shopping list folks.
Cubbygold
March 15, 2018 at 05:32 am
I've heard quite a few people talking about jordys decline and how GB was quite honestly hoping jordy didn't even take the substantial pay cut. Maybe thats true, maybe not. He's obviously worth something to the raiders, saints and pats.
I do like that gute has the guts to make an unpopular decision. So many people are complaining about the chemistry built up between jordy/rodgers. I'm pretty sure foles threw up 30+ points on the greatest defense of all time in the NFC Championship game, and he had about 12 quarters of playing time with those recievers. Brady gets a new group of guys every few years. I have no doubt rodgers can survive without jordy on the field
NickPerry
March 15, 2018 at 06:06 am
Hey guys...I'm sure there's several highlight reels of Jordy Nelson catches but I saw this on NFL.com this morning.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000921391/Jordy-Nel...
The very first highlight against the Giants still ranks as one of my all time favorite Nelson highlights. A week 16 TD catch against the Giants in 2010 in a game the Packers HAD to win which we all know they did on their way to a SB Championship..#13!!!
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 10:20 am
NP, Thanks for the link. Also, the next two videos that played were the highlights of Wilkerson and Kiser! Gave me some views of the new Packers that I had not seen.
RCPackerFan
March 15, 2018 at 06:14 am
I think for a business they made the right decision in cutting Nelson. His contract and age were working against him.
Of course the emotional side is different. I hate seeing Nelson go. He has been a true Packers player. He has been a great player on the field and better person off. I do wish him the best of luck.
From what I have seen/heard they are attempting to extend Cobb's contract. Of course it takes the 2 parties to agree. But if they can that could lower the cap hit this year and give them extra money.
I think it was the smarter move to keep Cobb and let Nelson go. Cobb is younger, and has more versatility. Nelson no longer is the deep threat he used to be and can't separate like he used to.
I honestly hope they don't cut Cobb after letting Nelson go. Rodgers needs WR's he can trust to be at his best. He has Adams, but he needs more then just Adams. Cobb is one of his favorite targets when plays breaks down. That is an important thing to have.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 07:41 am
If I'm the Packers, I talk extension with Cobb, but I'm also prepared to let him go if there's a suitable replacement who suddenly gets cut or comes available by trade. Softening the blow through a reduced cap hit is fine, but you push the commitment to him out over more years. What is he going to be worth in 2019? 2020? It's akin to pulling the band-aid off slowly. I'm more inclined, if I'm the Packers, to have casual conversations but unless another player move means they have to have the cap relief right now, I don't finish talks with Cobb until after the draft.
Certainly Cobb knows where he is, age-wise, and knows that from here on, his value isn't going to get much higher. If I'm in his shoes, I don't think I want to extend. I think, financially, I do better playing out 2018 at a high level and then going on the market. IF Cobb does extend-renegotiate, I would count that as the second contract he's taken where he likely is giving the Packers a discount.
I know Russ Ball has a reputation for low-balling players on his initial offer in contract negotiations, and I think players/agents realize this. But offering #87 just over the vet minimum to stay is, frankly, pushing him out the door. If you're the Packers, there's no way you can claim the high road on that.
RCPackerFan
March 15, 2018 at 07:57 am
I definitely would do an extension. I personally wouldn't let him go though. They aren't going to get better players for cheaper. And you can't get rid of everyone.
If I'm Cobb I probably wouldn't do the extension. They could work out a deal so he isn't losing any money, and it isn't counting against the cap. But he would probably be better off hitting free agency next year.
As far as the Packers low balling Nelson, I really don't know what the truth is there. I heard just above league minimum and I have heard they offered him more then that. So I don't want to speculate what they did or didn't offer him.
Thegreatreynoldo
March 15, 2018 at 07:57 am
I'm cheap, but someone cautioned against cutting Cobb because it seems to take AR a while to get comfortable with new receivers. For the first several games, AR can't target Adams exclusively, can he? Fear is the offense will struggle, perhaps significantly, the first few games w/o both Cobb and Nelson. IDK, I am cheap.
Also, I couldn't get a contract extension to work with Cobb, making assumptions about what Cobb would accept and what GB should offer.
Bearmeat
March 15, 2018 at 08:55 am
On the other hand, while he may not be as good as Cobb, Monty is sitting in the wings with no position to play. He's not going to see the field as an RB, and he's now slot WR #3. Again.
I would ask Cobb to take a team friendly extension for 2-3 years, and cut him if he balks. Move Monty into Cobb's spot, then start looking for 2 veteran CBs.
jeremyjjbrown
March 15, 2018 at 11:32 am
I bet they will. Him motioning in and out of the backfield is a defensive personnel nightmare.
Bearmeat
March 15, 2018 at 12:09 pm
You are right about that. Monty's usage from RB/slot hybrid will be great. I'm just talking from a resources/use standpoint. Cobb is expensive. Is he THAT much better than Monty to justify the additional 10 million in 2018? And who would you rather have coming out of the backfield anyway? Monty... or Aaron Jones?
marpag1
March 16, 2018 at 03:09 pm
I get the argument that Monty is far less expensive than Cobb. I DON'T get the argument that Monty is a "matchup nightmare" in the slot. What evidence do we have of that?
At 6 feet, Monty is not especially tall, either for running backs or receivers. At 215 pounds, he isn't very big for either group, His 4.55 40 time is ordinary. The Packers loved him so much as a receiver that they made him a running back. He's shown surprisingly well as a ballcarrier, but little as a receiver. In three years, he's averaged 27 catches for 219 yards (8 ypc) and 1 TD.
In fairness, maybe some of the low numbers are the result of the fact that in three years he has appeared in 29 games, which is 4 game PER YEAR fewer than Clay Matthews' hamstrings.
He's a versatile, I guess. He could play a couple spots if you're in a bind. I suspect he'll make the team because he's still cheap and you need multiple RBs and he's a decent runner when healthy (which hasn't been often). But what have we seen to suggest that he's a terror in the slot?
NickPerry
March 15, 2018 at 06:31 am
I'm going to miss Nelson and would have loved to see him stay with the Packers this season. With that said I completely understand why he's gone. THIS is the part of football that BLOWS. I would have loved to seen Nelson do it exactly as Driver did...Never play for another team and retire a GB Packer. But the "Business" side of Football gets in the way players doing what Driver was able to do more times than not.
I agree with Zach that this was a move that was "Necessary". Looking back at some of Nelsons catches from last season I watched Nelson go straight to the ground before getting hit. Looking at his stats without Rodgers last year was more than enough to push Gutekunst to this decision...A decision that HAD to be made.
I hope Nelson goes to the Raiders. Living in Los Angeles I'll see many of the Raiders games here on the West Coast. Just don't go to New England Jordy. Playing against you in 2018 IN Foxboro would be way to strange and I'd hate to cheer against "White Lightening".
Bearmeat
March 15, 2018 at 08:56 am
Do you remember how bad Driver was at the end though? I mean, that roster spot was wonderful as a fan for DD, but for the team? They really could have used another Free Safety or CB on the roster that year.....
Razer
March 15, 2018 at 09:32 am
Driver retired at 38 - Nelson is 33. Still some good ball left in Nelson.
The Packers need a faster/younger perimeter threat to ride out Rodgers career. We have younger, faster and cheaper slot receiver options. Nelson costs $12 million. Unfortunate culmination of factors.
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 10:25 am
Bearmeat,
I agree. It was odd that TT (a Ron Wolf disciple) kept DD for that last year. I absolutely LOVED DD, but all that season I kept wondering who might have been better used in his roster spot.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 03:55 pm
Good. The door is officially shut on a return unless he goes James Jones on us.
Go put up 1500 and 15 with Derek and Gruden.
flackcatcher
March 15, 2018 at 04:50 pm
NP. Experience counts in contract talks too. TT would have cut Nelson like he did with Woodson, and taken the hit. Better to let the player go clean, than go though the cheap act BC put on over Ball's low balling Nelson. This hurts the Packers in future contract talks. Players talk, agents talk. Looking cheap and dishonest is no way for a young GM to look while trying to rebuild a team.
flackcatcher
March 15, 2018 at 04:52 pm
edit. BG man BG.....(sigh)
chugwater
March 15, 2018 at 06:47 am
While I agree his production had gone down, I don't know if it'd gone down THAT much. He had 230 yds and 6 TDs thru five games last year so figure ~700 yds and 18 TDs for the full year. That's decent for a team with a strong compliment of receivers and a QB who can spread it around.
I'm not sure cutting him just to sign another old WR/TE gets us that much further ahead.
NickPerry
March 15, 2018 at 06:55 am
I think the regression from 2016 to 2017 was pretty evident even through the first 5 games with Rodgers Chugwater. Last season was the first season I saw Jordy Nelson go to the ground by himself because he knew he wasn't getting away.
You also have to look at what he did or didn't do with Hundley as QB. I know, Hundley was terrible. But Nelson still should have been able to be better than he was, especially at the cap number he had.
I really like the Graham signing and personally expect him to have at least 2 exceptional seasons in GB. Lets see what else the Packers are able to add to the mix. At this time as much as I hate to admit it I'd take Graham over Nelson at this point in their careers.
RCPackerFan
March 15, 2018 at 07:36 am
The other factor in this is its easier to find WR's then it is TE's. As far as drafting each position WR's typically have a bigger impact earlier. TE's can take longer to develop.
Also the WR draft class is stronger then the TE. According to CBS sports they have 12 WR's rated in the top 100 players, and 13th is rated at 101. Whereas for TE's they have 3 in the top 100.
Essentially they traded Nelson for Graham. They still have Adams and Cobb at WR. They have Kendricks at TE, but nothing else. And he really didn't show much last year. Getting Graham will really help.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 07:37 am
Dude...virtually the same post at exactly the same time.
How many fingers am I holding up?
RCPackerFan
March 15, 2018 at 08:02 am
lol, great minds. right.
Cubbygold
March 15, 2018 at 08:21 am
lol how did this get a downvote?
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 09:20 am
I think people might be assuming I'm flipping him off....whereas my comment was meant to mean that we were in sync.
TKWorldWide
March 15, 2018 at 10:24 am
In Sync? ('N Sync?)
Maybe, like I do, they prefer the Backstreet Boys.
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 10:30 am
TK, I usually (almost always) thumbs up your puns, but The Backstreet Boys?! I just couldn't give that a thumbs up. :)
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 11:24 am
Remember: you can write anything you want, so long as you end in a smiley or winky... ;)
Bearmeat
March 15, 2018 at 12:10 pm
I wish we could do the middle finger with characters and not just emojis.... haha
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 12:51 pm
m[]n
How does that work?
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 03:05 pm
dobber, Lol. Yeah, I know I overuse the smiley emoji. I'll "try to do better" in the future.
TKWorldWide
March 15, 2018 at 12:08 pm
Understandable.
I am amused because they were so obviously affluent and suburban, not “backstreet” at all. Such a juxtaposition.
jeremyjjbrown
March 15, 2018 at 11:34 am
Downvotes many times say more about the audience than the commenter.
Bearmeat
March 15, 2018 at 12:11 pm
I disagree. Your comment is bad and you should feel bad. See. That got you a downvote. ;)
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 07:36 am
The way I view the Graham signing is that he gives you the strength of Nelson (red zone presence) and fills a tremendous hole in the Packers lineup. He's not an in-line TE, but the Packers don't use their TEs that way all that much...and if they do, it won't be Graham. With the emphasis, even in the first couple weeks of the season last year, clearly shifting toward #17, the hole created by Nelson's departure may be eminently fillable by Graham.
As far as impact on 11 personnel, which the Packers have utilized so heavily in the past, Graham becomes your Nelson and creates an opportunity for a player to step up in that 3rd WR position. Granted, we don't know how the "retooling" of the Packer playbook plays into this, but in essence, the tradeoff in 2018 vs. 2017 is <new 3rd WR> vs. <crappy 2017 TE situation>. I think they stand a good chance, in productivity, in coming out ahead there.
Cubbygold
March 15, 2018 at 08:20 am
Exactly. While Jordy was a great redzone threat, it's not like he could have replaced a TE completely. Jordy is 6'3" 217lbs, Jimmy is 6'7" 265lbs.
So this move essentially replaces Lance Kendricks with Ty Montgomery. Given that Jimmy is more versatile than Jordy, and Ty is a million times more versatile than Kendricks, I think GB just equipped Rodgers with the ability to run a much more complicated offensive scheme. With Rodgers ability to read coverages and audible into favorable matchups, I think this is exactly what the offense has lacked the past several years.
Imagine lining Jones and Ty in the backfield, with Jimmy out wide. Rodgers can move Ty and Jimmy around as he sees fit to isolate either on a mismatch...can move both out to create a 4 wide set...has the option to call run plays to Jones or Ty. That type of dynamic wouldn't exist with Adams/Jordy/Cobb/Kendricks/Jones. It would be the exact same set of plays over and over.
I'd still like a burner as another option, but I think Philbin already has the tools to run a much better offensive scheme this year.
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 10:34 am
Cubby, I believe Oppy said something similar about the formation possibilities on another thread. You might want to check it out (I think it was when the Graham/Jordy news came out here on CHTV). It was well received.
Cubbygold
March 15, 2018 at 01:27 pm
Thanks, I'll go search for that!
croatpackfan
March 15, 2018 at 06:59 am
Correct business decision. But, as many pointed out, when I read the news title I said just long Noooooooo...
I wish him the best. He showed to many young players how to act like professional and valuable human being.
Jordy will be missed. But, who knows, maybe he will be back, if not for more, for just one game before retirement. And I'm sure there is the place in Packers hall of fame reserved for him already!
Since'61
March 15, 2018 at 07:11 am
Jordy will be missed. Regrettably is this era of salary cap there are cap casuaties. It's still possible that Cobb, CM3 or Bulaga could be next.
The Packers need to build a new, younger group of core players and Gute is going to want to make his mark with his guys, not TTs.
Regime change can be difficult for those who leave and for those who remain. Hopefully Gute's moves will help make the transition period a little easier to take by getting us back to an SB. Thanks, Since '61
Michael Hughes
March 15, 2018 at 07:36 am
Rodgers will be QB next season so nelsons stats with him are more relevant with Hundley We obviously couldn't pay him 12m but we should have offered him 4m maybe at a push up to 6m. If he wouldn't take that then fine let him walk.
I would much rather pay Nelson 4m than Cobb 12m and use the remaining 8m on signing starting corner.
Gute seems to be forcing himself into a corner cap wise with the moves for Graham, this and letting go a starting corner on a rrokie deal. Will have to see how it works out, the worry is he will push stacks of money into future years causing perennial cap problems every year.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 07:40 am
My question is: do we want Rodgers propping up a declining WR or throwing to a developing and more dynamic, young WR?
Love Nelson, don't get me wrong. Don't love the way this went down. But understand the reasoning and the fact that the Packers, with good personnel management, will come out ahead in the longer term as a result.
Razer
March 15, 2018 at 07:45 am
Like most of you, I hate that this happened to one of my favorite Packers and a true pro. It is also unfortunate that his last year playing as a Packer was so much in the hands of Hundley. A season of lost opportunities and frustration.
While he has lost a step I think that Nelson still has something left in the tank. His slot play is akin to Larry Fitzgerald and his blocking was awesome. I doubt that we will see a team blocker in Jimmy Graham. Still, I hope that the RAIDERS get another couple of good years out of him before he comes back to Green Bay to say goodbye.
Tundraboy
March 15, 2018 at 10:09 am
Raiders are probably the only team I could stomach Jordy playing with, if it's even possible.
Razer
March 15, 2018 at 12:22 pm
Looks like it is going to happen. Hope he gets a nice payday out of the Raiders. He also gets Derek Carr and that should work well.
TKWorldWide
March 15, 2018 at 08:08 am
Ted was a big round two WR picker, but who knows if BG will be?
stockholder
March 15, 2018 at 08:26 am
It's obvious A-Rod is in a decline too. Short passes. Lack of strong arm. No more laser throws to Nelson. But yet the packers want him back at 30 mil. plus, and not use the tags. Jordy got the shaft. Plain and simple. Cobb is next. B.O.H.I.C.A. I didn't agree on Adams heist. And I don't agree on Nelson. Wrs have to catch the ball. I just don't see the hands were use too. Favre use to get so mad when a WR dropped the ball and went right back to him. Seems it's OK to drop pass after pass just so he catches the TD now. Yes it was coming. But they spit in Jordy's face.
CJBauckham
March 15, 2018 at 08:41 am
Lack of strong arm? Are you kidding? Or are you referring to the Panthers game, when said arm had just come back from a collar bone break and wasn't 100%
Dude's arm is fine. Ridiculous
zoellner25
March 15, 2018 at 09:03 am
you think ARod now lacks a strong arm? Get a clue man. and sell that fake stock you own
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 09:23 am
I just want to know what BOHICA means...
Since'61
March 15, 2018 at 09:47 am
Dobber - Bend Over Here It Comes Again! Thanks, Since '61
Since'61
March 15, 2018 at 01:52 pm
As far as I know A-Rod's arm is fine. I've heard or read nothing that indicates his recovery is not going well. If you are referring to the Carolina game he returned too soon and his arm was not fully healed. That was a last ditch effort by the Packers to save their season. I don't for a minute believe that Rodgers won't be fully recovered and that his arm will be fine for the upcoming season. Rodgers has 3-5 good seasons to go at least. Thanks, Since '61
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 10:42 am
61' Agree. (by the way you might want to fix your post's third line where you have "are" for "arm"). Broken bones typically heal STRONGER than before if the blood flow is not jeopardized. AR should be fine.
scullyitsme
March 15, 2018 at 09:14 am
I’m thinking the hard cut was Nelson, Cobb is making a lot of money and is very replaceable as a slot guy, plus I never want to see him in the backfield again. I’m not afraid of cutting Cobb. Brady gets by on mediocre receivers all the time, he makes them better. I expect Rodgers to do the same and earn his contract. If he’s making 30 mil, that’s a lot of money we can’t spend elsewhere, he needs to make up for that. That’s the deal. That’s business.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
March 15, 2018 at 09:07 am
I think we overpaid Graham, but can you imagine using both Graham and Michael Clark in the red zone?
Wow. Just...wow.
Love Jordy, but he had to go. I still think we should release a couple more guys to clear cap space, as well.
Finwiz
March 15, 2018 at 09:16 am
I'm a bit surprised they didn't dump Bulaga. He has a huge contract too, and coming off a big injury, who knows what you'll have there.
Right tackles are replaceable.
As for Graham - they paid good money for a position of need that's rather rare in the NFL. There just aren't many exceptional TE's around.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 09:25 am
It perhaps says that they don't have a lot of faith in their current RT prospects...and that they believe he plays at a high enough level that, right now, he's worth waiting on. It might change after the draft.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
March 15, 2018 at 09:35 am
I'd release Cobb and Matthews to save some serious money. This roster needs younger, healthier athleticism.
Bulaga costs far less, but I'd consider releasing him too.
jeremyjjbrown
March 15, 2018 at 11:36 am
Bulaga would only save 4 million. He still might get cut.
thebeast431
March 15, 2018 at 09:12 am
Pack need a speed threat opposite of Adams. With Adams double teamed, Cobb, and Nelson both proved they can't get open downfield on their own anymore.
Chuck Farley
March 15, 2018 at 12:17 pm
Funny the games I saw last year says your wrong. Nelson and Cobb both lost steps and were covered all the time. Nelson was hardly ever open and was running away from no one. Why. 32 years old and two big injuries may have had a lot to do with it.
Hey Jordy was offered a contract. He was given a chance to stay and he said no thanks. He wants the money before retiring and leaving the pack is no big deal to him. Its about the pay day now.
zoellner25
March 15, 2018 at 02:46 pm
do you guys even watch film?
stockholder
March 15, 2018 at 12:19 pm
Adams is to slow to double team. You wouldn't need a speed guy if he was. Cobb was open; Hundley couldn't get him the ball. Nelson = I hear so many excuses, he slowed down. Well the thing is; they were taking advantage of Adams air time ,not the speed. Adams can Jump. Jordy couldn't, and his lack of height showed Hundley couldn't hit him either. How many times over the years did you see jordy in the slot, or play close to the line on the quick flip. He was learning the position, and knew some cheap shots may be coming. It was an adjustment. An Adjustment the packers didn't want to pay for. He would have been old jordy with A-Rod. The play was to get his salary. Play Adams outside to pertect his head. (It's about TDs now. ) Monty is the new slot guy. And he will be moved around. (He'll take the shots. ) They wanted jordys money for Graham. Jordys position for Adams!!!!!! WE got Another over -paid TE. But watch TTs players fall now. Were in a Rebuild. And the biggest thing you see in a rebuild is a ILB be Taken. Smith will be the #1 Choice. And that won't be bad.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 12:57 pm
"and his lack of height showed Hundley couldn't hit him either."
So, Hundley's problem was that his receivers weren't all at least 6'4"?
That's a new take...
BaldingersBentDigit
March 15, 2018 at 09:24 am
I strenuously disagree with cutting Jordy Nelson. It should have been Cobb that was let go. Aaron Rodgers has a connection with Nelson that is rarely seen. Montgomery is a bigger, faster, quicker version of Cobb. That is a redundancy that we do not need. How many years did Hienz Ward hang on with diminished physical skills simply because he had a connection with Rothlesburger and was productive in the clutch. Nelson was clutch with back-shoulder throws for first downs and in the red zone with the ability to get his feet down in bounds. I believe that Jordy Nelson has a few more productive years in him.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
March 15, 2018 at 09:36 am
Cut both.
Finwiz
March 15, 2018 at 09:57 am
If you look at NFL receiver stats from 2016-2017, I was surprised to see that Cobb had a low drop rate, as well as the THIRD highest separation yards of all receivers. Plus his YAC yards were far greater than Jordy's last year.
Truth be told, Jordy fell off the cliff entirely last year, and provided nothing close to his salary level to support Hundley. The right decision of the two receivers was made. Jordy should have taken the pay cut, but he obviously feels he's worth more money. Somebody will get a good receiver for a year, but I doubt he has much left beyond that, if even 1 year. The guy couldn't separate on most plays. I watched him quite a bit hoping he could get it together, but he never did.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
March 15, 2018 at 10:19 am
I have no problem with Cobb's production. It's his inconsistent health and high pricetag that makes me want him gone.
Our cap needs MAJOR repair, so unhappy decisions are necessary.
Tundraboy
March 15, 2018 at 10:03 am
The best at back shoulder throws and sideline agility I have seen.
scullyitsme
March 15, 2018 at 09:37 am
Rodgers has an all pro te now to go with a future all pro receiver in Adams, that’s enough I think. Its similar to gronk and Brandon cooks and a bunch of guys. 2 pro bowlers and some decent help, yes even Montgomery in the slot and Allison / draft pick on the outside should be plenty for an all world q.b. Cut Cobb use it on a couple starting caliber corners for a defense that can be top10-15, and that’s Super Bowl in my opinion. That’s basically what New England has done for the past 15 years.
Cubbygold
March 15, 2018 at 11:07 am
A week ago I would have agreed 100% with this. Now that alot of the prime CBs are gone, I'm not so sure. If this is the direction they go, it's gotta happen soon.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 12:58 pm
As far as I know, it's all crickets from 1265 today...
Tundraboy
March 15, 2018 at 11:48 am
There are a lot of players and coaches this team has held onto for too long, one year too late, in fact several years too late. Some still remain. I think they could have made something work with Jordy on a short extension. He deserved that and I know he is far from done. He is a true all time Packer with historical all time production and great plays.
Part of me just feels that this was unnecessary, but if this is the price we have to pay, so be it, we finally changed the way we go about player acquisition. But we better start also getting rid of some of Ted's garbage too.
Isn't it exciting? I actually fell behind the news last few hours the other day. A far cry from our usual articles and discussions this time of year, about who we were going to resign of our own free agents, what free agents might be out there, that ultimately we had no shot at, or even going for, or even made an attempt on. A breath of fresh air. Hope it continues.
Still wish we had Jordy.
Cartwright
March 15, 2018 at 10:15 am
How do you replace Jordy Nelson? Find another in the draft. I foresee a first or second round pick is in the cards. Who should that be, any suggestions?
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 11:38 am
Courtland Sutton at 14, if the Niners don't get him. Ridley a possibility there, too.
People say DJ Moore in RD 2, but watch for DJ Chark. I believe Brian is a big measurables guy. Both of those guys fill the bill.
EDIT: Crabtree will likely be available when Jordy takes his place. Incredible hands. TD maker. Wanted him over Raji back in the Clay draft. Ironic if we got him because we released Jordy.
Finwiz
March 15, 2018 at 01:55 pm
The problem with Crabtree is, he isn't a field stretcher.
Limited speed.
We don't need more possession receivers.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 01:21 pm
I agree with you, Fin... I spent years questioning why we always drafted the same guy over and over at WR up high. I felt we needed to diversify our portfolio with a speed guy who never came. That's why Janis and now Davis hurt as much as they do. Neither has become that needed speed element for us. Not sure what the org is expecting prioritizing speed WR's that late in the draft when they should be up high, but that was Ted.
There isn't much to choose from... Jeremy Maclin, MIke Wallace, Terrelle Pryor...Cody Latimer....and a guy like Brice Butler...these guys can run. I can't see any of them actually coming here, outside of Maclin, but they have speed. So, there really isn't much vet help out there.
Maclin is undervalued, imo. He's played with horrendous QB's over his career. Crabtree has hands of glue. I wouldn't just want Crabtree or Maclin and call it a day. I still hope to see a speed guy in the draft, but, again, I can't imagine they'd go into the season with Davante (who I really don't think is close to a sure thing if a WR1) with nobody opposite him who is a threat. No way they're going to use the draft to fill a starting role opposite Davante UNLESS they're seriously considering 14 on a WR.
That WR spot opposite Davante is as important as if not more important than the spot opposite Kevin King, at CB, if you're one who believes King fills one of the spots. I sincerely hope there isn't a massive reach for a CB at 14 if there's a WR there who could really help like Sutton. I realize Sutton is a 4.5 guy like Adams but his 3 cone is other worldly at 6.57. Chark, Moore and Ridley all have the kinds of 40 times you like. So do Deon Cain and my guy Antonio Callaway. No way to know you're getting any of these guys, though. I gotta believe a vet is coming.
EDIT: In thinking about what they offered Jordy, that leads me to believe they will not seek a veteran who costs them more than a pittance. If they weren't going to pay Jordy anything, who would they pay who is out there? Nobody. That leads me to believe they're going to draft the replacement as that cost would be in line with what they wanted to pay Nelson presumably because they allocated so much for WR and Jordy put them way over that positional number. I hope that makes sense. If it's true they were only offering Jordy about 1.5 million, that tells me that's all they're willing to pay a WR. A draftee would fall under or close to that number if it's at 14 overall. Gotta believe that's the plan. Going with rookies at WR is incredibly risky. I now believe we will find a few vet cheap CB's and draft a WR at 14, or trade up in Round 2.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 01:08 pm
Maclin wasn't available when they cut Nelson. I don't know how that might factor into their thinking. I agree, he can be a very productive WR...health has been his issue in recent years. Always nicked up.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 01:27 pm
The Adams/Cobb pay factor has to come into play. They have 23 million in cap on Adams and Cobb for this season. Perhaps, they only wanted to pay 25 million to their Top 3 WR's? That would fit with Jordy being offered 1. something. Who is going to fit that price range as a vet? It truly was insulting to offer Jordy what they reportedly offered him.
Perhaps, if they decide on a veteran, then they release Cobb, or at very least restructure him, if he'll do it.
Those who are wondering about the CB plan with the release of Damarious are like me when it comes to what the plan was in letting Nelson go? I think that one is more of a headscratcher. Who is going to be our WR1/2...Adams is either or. Who is the other guy? It's got to be somebody very very good.
Finwiz
March 15, 2018 at 01:59 pm
Good post John, lot's to consider in all of that, but I like the logic.
I also believe they are going to draft the receiver, and go into the season with Devonte as the number 1.
I don't believe they will draft the receiver at 14, but if it's best player available and that happens to be a WR, then don't be surprised.
worztik
March 15, 2018 at 12:18 pm
Crabtree is NEVER gonna be a Packer John... he’s a total asshole!!!
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 12:52 pm
He would be the anti-Jordy for sure but we need someone legit opposite Adams or I see disaster. I hope they don't have Herb Waters eyes for one of the guys on the roster at present. Maybe, they think Michael Clark is ready, but he's another 4.5 guy? If it isn't him, I'm not sure who else it could possibly be? Yancey...he can do one thing...run in a straight line? Davis? Can't be Allison...Ted Simmons could beat him in a foot race. If MM hadn't dogmatically declared 88 a RB for some bizarre reason, I'd feel better about the stable. Trevor Davis is the only legit speed guy for us. He had that incredible 3 cone which still wasn't quite as good as Sutton's but he's not an NFL WR. Cupboard is bare like at CB. Has to be help coming.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 01:00 pm
"Can't be Allison...Ted Simmons could beat him in a foot race."
Love it! So many of our fellow posters will have no clue....
Tundraboy
March 15, 2018 at 04:53 pm
Ted the baseball player yes.
Finwiz
March 15, 2018 at 02:02 pm
I got the "Simba" reference.
Allison can't possibly be considered a starter.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 02:19 pm
You and dobs are old like me. :) Simba. Makin' a sure triple look like a ground rule double.
If the season was to start today, that's who it would be, right? Who else would it be? Just say no to Geronimo. The guy doesn't belong in the league much less as a starter.
Johnblood27
March 15, 2018 at 11:49 pm
Geronimo looked like a world beater lining up on Gunter...
jh9
March 15, 2018 at 02:51 pm
I don't think we can rule out a trade for a fast and talented veteran WR.
I never would have suggested a trade was possible with TT, but it looks like we have a new sheriff in town.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 03:39 pm
I hope you're right. In looking back on Damarious, I wonder if we asked them for Josh Gordon? He has that substance abuse past and would be one wrong move from a permanent banning, but he would've been awfully tempting. Rodgers and Gordon? That would be a rare football fantasy of mine coming true. Rodgers with a true #1 WR?
Look at Marqise Goodwin in SF. That guy spent 4 seasons languishing in Buffalo. He outdid his career yards and catches in one season in SF with Hoyer and CJ Beathard throwing him the ball for most of the season.
There has to be an under-appreciated speed merchant like Goodwin hiding on an NFL roster somewhere. I think a Brice Butler or Cody Latimer could be such a player, but maybe it's someone else already on a roster? Going to look to see who might be a guy like that.
Jordy signed with Raiders for 15 mil over 2 per James Jones.
EDIT: If we're looking for a proven speed guy who isn't going to cost much we're pretty much out of luck in trade. If you want Jakeem Grant who is all of 5'7 but flies, we could deal with the Dolphins. I love that guy but as a WR2? Marvin Hall from Atlanta ran a reported 4.28 40 at his pro day. He's 5'10. His speed is incredible but he can't be ready to be a WR2 either, if ever. In just a quick look at all the WR depth charts, I think we could pry Tajae Sharpe from Tennessee for next to nothing. He's not a speed guy but he had promise before they drafted Davis and Taywan Taylor. Decker is gone from them, too...not a blazer but knows what he's doing. Ugh. Just not much out there you could really trade for. Allen Hurns is a vet who may not be welcome in Jax anymore. He's not a burner, either, though.
jh9
March 15, 2018 at 04:10 pm
Check out Tyrell Williams of the Chargers. We have lots of 4th and 5th round picks this year.
Also, Allen Hurns of the Jaquars.
Hurns had a 4.5 40. Not the fastest, but he'd be faster than Jordy was last year and he is only 26 y.o.. I liked him coming out of college and I never understood why he was taken so late in the draft. He turned out to be one heck of a receiver for Jacksonville.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 03:39 pm
LOL..you put Hurns down, too. Tyrell Williams has a 2nd round tender on him.
jh9
March 16, 2018 at 06:01 am
A 2nd round tender is a little over $2M a year. Williams is over 6' 3", 205 ran a 4.39 40 and was personally scouted by Belichick.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 04:07 pm
He's playing for 2.9 million this season. The money is not as much of the issue as giving up a 2nd round pick if we offered him a deal that could be matched. Schefter tweet points out we could just trade, but if they have him on a 2nd round tender, I doubt they'd come off the 2nd round pick too much. You comfortable with a mid 3rd round pick for him?
BTW, SHOCKED that Jordy got 13 million guaranteed.
jh9
March 15, 2018 at 10:14 pm
My point is that there are guys out there. The question is how aggressive and creative will BG be?
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 04:34 pm
He better be both!
The intrigue is massive for me. This is a critical move replacing Jordy mostly because I feel Davante is way too weak of a WR1 to do much without a ton of help. I hope to goodness Jimmy Graham wasn't the fix for his departure, but who knows? There's a reason they paid 10 million for him. Perhaps, thinking of it as 5 million toward TE and 5 million toward WR? Graham is really just a WR. ALP, talked about Clark and Graham in the RZ. Maybe, they just play big ball with Clark and Graham on the field at all times?
Adams, Clark, Cobb, Graham and Montgomery with Aaron Jones in the backfield and Rodgers under center. OR...both 88 and Aaron Jones in the backfield together with the same group of Adams, Clark, Cobb and Graham.
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 03:27 pm
JK, The whole "88 must be.... this or that position" is just silly. In the modern NFL players play wherever needed. Doesn't matter if you call Ty a RB or a WR, they'll use him wherever they want. This is just a fan issue, aka "what number will he have". DOES NOT MATTER, period.
John Ramble Kirk
March 15, 2018 at 03:41 pm
I couldn't care less about his number, Spock. MM made it clear Ty was a RB, still. I'm hoping that's just coach speak. There was no proclamation that Ty was going to play WR for us. He'll only get to do that if he proves durable at RB? That's per MM.
JohnnyLogan
March 15, 2018 at 10:36 am
I will always hate Hundley and hope he's on a train out of town very soon. if not Hundley Jordy is still here. All this talk about needing speed. Have we gotten faster since we cut Jordy? And if we do sign or draft a speed receiver, will he provide more than Jordy? A cast off like Maclin? A rookie? One of our Jags like Davis? Like most here, I agree that Jordy lost a stop, but there have been clips done showing how often he was open but Hundley never even looked his way. Does anyone doubt if Rodgers goes down that he doesn't have 6 or 7 more Td's. If Jordy was a FA from another team and you could get that talent for $5 mil wouldn't you take it? The money could come from a restructure with Cobb and once Rodgers signs, his low cap hit would still give us enough for a good corner. And we can still go out and get a fast receiver in the draft. Even if we go Ridley in the draft he won't come close to having the numbers with Rodgers that Jordy would provide. Imagine Jordy and Graham. To just keep saying we need speed isn't enough. That speed guy has to be good. We still don't have one and there are none left on the market that are any good. We haven't gotten fast cutting Jordy. He's 33, with great hands and the best football instincts in the world. I think it was a huge mistake.
Tundraboy
March 15, 2018 at 11:53 am
"He's 33, with great hands and the best football instincts in the world"
Exactly, always need that. And we had the perfect guy for that going forward , just needed more speed to complement him and we still do. Maybe both.
worztik
March 15, 2018 at 12:10 pm
I totally agree!!! I’d have opened the door for Cobb to leave and now we understand Gute’s mandate! Make sure every player on the team feels like tomorrow’s practice or game could be his last. No one is secure around 1265 and I just proved that by cutting the fan’s favorite player to bring in a TE that’s not much younger and has injury issues as well! Oh well... it’s gonna be a long year... just sayin’...
worztik
March 15, 2018 at 12:11 pm
Mine was a reply to Mr. Logan!!!
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 01:03 pm
"Even if we go Ridley in the draft he won't come close to having the numbers with Rodgers that Jordy would provide. "
He doesn't have to. The combination of the #3 WR and Graham needs to be better than Nelson and crap TE they would've had otherwise. What are you shipping out and what are you replacing it with? Needs to be viewed in whole, not piecemeal...and my guess is that Ridley/Graham in 2019 will be far better than Nelson/crap TE in 2019.
JohnnyLogan
March 15, 2018 at 01:18 pm
Not convinced it had to be either/or. It wasn't Jordy or Graham. They had the money for both, Wilkerson signed a small deal, and with restructure they can still get a corner. Jordy is getting huge interest. A guy who in 2016 had a monster season and suddenly he's being thrown to, or not thrown to by the equivalent of a HS QB, and he's worthless? Jordy may go to New Orleans. They have Thomas as a #1 and with Jordy as a #2 that's tough. We have Adams as a #1. Jordy as a 2 and occasionally a slot is better than anything we will have no matter who we get in the draft. We got worse. Old receivers historically are still very valuable when they've been as great as Nelson; Hines Ward, Fitzgerald... there are many. It was too early to get rid of him and unnecessary cap wise.
stockholder
March 15, 2018 at 01:24 pm
The only way they draft Ridley is by default. They would trade down first. The Cb/ Ward @ Jackson will be taken over Ridley. Gute needs to sign a CB, otherwise their to locked into the position. And I think Jackson will not pan out long term for them. Gute needs to get away from TT Quick fixes.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 01:34 pm
"Gute needs to get away from TT Quick fixes."
I think he's already demonstrated that he's not following the TT rulebook.
Chuck Farley
March 15, 2018 at 12:12 pm
Time for Rogers - the cry baby to shut up and play football. Didn't hear him offer to take less money to keep Jordy. He knew Jordy was getting old and his contract was huge so quit with the crap about being pissed.
He knew this could happen and it did.
I say the Pack should trade Rogers to Cleveland for a first, and second this year and give up your third to move down and get the first and 9th pick in this draft, two seconds and all the other drafts and start over with a top young gun prospect and some great defensive talent to boot. With Rogers holding this team back with his huge salary this team must rely on one guy to carry the day. Alas it would never happen and the fans would go nuts anyways.
dobber
March 15, 2018 at 01:05 pm
Even at that, you're still undervaluing Rodgers.
stockholder
March 15, 2018 at 01:34 pm
I don't . Two collar bones broken . Too many. He's old@34. It's time we make changes a year to soon, then a year to late. Thats the Battle Cry over the Nelson cut. Lets get that Cap relief! They waited to long with Starr and it took them 30 years to recover from him. They squeezed Favre with Rodgers. It's time to squeeze Rodgers. Ship him for Carr,and that #8 draft pick. Carr gets reunited with Drop Vante. And Rodgers gets reunited with Nelson. Bet Oakland would say No first!
Spock
March 15, 2018 at 04:05 pm
stockholder, I hate to be "the spelling police" but how could you use "too" correctly for "too much" and use "to" the next three times when "too" was the correct form? That just amazes me. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, just can't honestly fathom how that could happen. The "Drop Vante" nickname is just too ridiculous to use now; the dude drops more passes than I'd like, but he makes the "incredible" catches as well. James Jones started out in a similar fashion (catch the hard ones, drop the easy ones). Davante is already ahead of that or he wouldn't have had the catches he's had (even with Hundley!) and TD's he's had the last two years. If you can substitute "also" in a sentence use "too" over "to", If you can substitute the thought "way more" in a sentence use "too" not "to". Sorry if I come off like a smart ass. I'm honestly trying to help you with this concept (I spent two years as an English teacher). I cringe every time I see this misused by people (not just you by any means!) that and the "give 150%" is probably why I had to have all of my front teeth capped. Peace, dude, just trying to give a little friendly advice. I know I have plenty of mistakes in my own comments with punctuation and hurried spelling. We all can learn from each other.
stockholder
March 15, 2018 at 08:00 pm
I'm no journalist. I'm a fan. I try and make it easy to read first. Sometimes I hit the wrong keys. Also I've had to retype things because of the double post problem. And when I first log on. (It can be frustrating.) Adams has improved. He's faster on his cuts. Still don't like the hands. And he just lost his WR coach. The TDs were sugar coated. As far as being ahead. Thats a mouth full of cud.
Spock
March 16, 2018 at 07:53 am
stockholder,
I appreciate the measured response. I know you're not a journalist (nor am I and I don't play one on t.v.) and I appreciate your enthusiasm as you obviously love the green and gold as much as I do. I know what you are saying about the typing issue. I sometimes lose my posts too. What I do to eliminate retyping is highlight my post BEFORE I send it and copy it to the clipboard mouse (right click, copy). That way, if it disappears into the "cloud" or whatever, I can open a new response (right click, paste) and don't have to retype anything. I hope that helps you with this problem. Respectfully, Spock.
al bundy
March 19, 2018 at 07:29 pm
I'm on same page. The picks including a low first round pick and new young blood at qb plus some play making defensive help would turn this team around. Won't happen fans would go nuts but the possibilities are huge. On the other hand one more shoulder injury and you can't give him away.
Lphill
March 15, 2018 at 12:26 pm
His name is Rodgers only Viking fans call him Rogers .
al bundy
March 19, 2018 at 07:24 pm
One more missed season for shoulder injury and we will have a new name for him.
Qoojo
March 15, 2018 at 12:39 pm
The problem I have with it is that they replaced with another old receiver. I am skeptical that Graham will out perform what Nelson could have done, and they basically gave Graham a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option. I am skeptical in part because of last year and how Bennett played out, along with his age.
But then I just remembered how getting an old TE (Jackson) in mid 90s worked out for them too. Just have to see how he looks in the offense and well MM utilizes him because Bennett was beyond worthless.
Cubbygold
March 15, 2018 at 03:19 pm
I feel like this should be required reading for all packer fans at the moment:
http://settingedge.com/jimmy-graham-will-help-the-packers-become-more-of...
stockholder
March 15, 2018 at 03:15 pm
Oakland signs Jordy Nelson. 2 yrs.15 million.
Cubbygold
March 15, 2018 at 03:18 pm
This is the type of deal I expected him to get in FA. It makes sense why he didn't take the pay cut offered by GB and it makes sense why GB was willing to let him walk.
flackcatcher
March 15, 2018 at 05:05 pm
Looking at the numbers released, it is a 1 year with out front payout probably around 8-10 million with a club option. In other words, the same contract Nelson had going into his last year with the Packers.
stockholder
March 15, 2018 at 07:40 pm
Still the packers went Low Ball on him. Like I wrote earlier. CREDIBILITY!! Appreciation!!! Spit in his Face! This contract shows he was worth it! They had a chance to renegotiate. They wanted him gone for Adams outside, and Graham. Gute Thumbs down on this one. Scorecard: Trade +6 points. Graham +2 points, Nelson -6 points.
al bundy
March 19, 2018 at 07:21 pm
I'm sure if Mr Rogers would have told the pack he'd take less money to keep Jordy he would still be with us. Someone should explain to Rogers, your contract is why this team lacks talent