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Packers Awarded an Extra Third and Fifth Round Draft Choice

The Green Bay Packers were awarded an extra pick in the third and fifth rounds of May's upcoming NFL Draft as a result of losing wide receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden in free agency last season, the league announced on Monday.

Each year the NFL gives 32 compensatory draft choices, the equivalent of one extra round, to teams that lose more free agents than they sign.

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.
 
Jennings essentially netted the third round pick after signing a five-year deal worth $45 million with the Minnesota Vikings. Walden garnered the fifth round draft choice after getting a four-year, $16 million deal from the Indianapolis Colts.
 
The Packers will receive the 34th pick of the third round (98th overall) and the 36th pick of the fifth round (176th overall). Compensatory draft choices cannot be traded.
 
Green Bay now has at least one draft choice in every round, two in the third and two in the fifth. The Packers also have seven picks in the first five rounds and nine overall.
 
The Packers are setting themselves up for a similar haul in next year's draft after losing wide receiver James Jones and offensive linemen Evan Dietrich-Smith and Marshall Newhouse as free agents. Because Julius Peppers and Letroy Guion were cut by their former teams, they do not count in the league's formula.
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HankScorpio's picture

Both guys brought in the "best case" estimates. Good deal. An extra day 2 is really nice, especially in a draft that is said to be very deep.

Next year won't even be close. Jones & EDS are in round 6/7 territory. I doubt Newhouse signed for enough $$ to even qualify

4thand1's picture

Ted works his magic once again. One of the best GM's there is. Look for a trade up in the 1st round.

Birney the baker's picture

I disagree with you a little on this 4th and 1. He's not one of the best, he IS the best GM out there. You give Ted extra picks to work with and he's going to tear up this draft again. Absolutely agree Ted will somehow say find a "sucker" to deal with (usually the Patriots lol) and he'll get a pro bowler or two in this draft. Nobody does it better than Teddy Tee!! Nobody!! I love watching the guy do his magic on draft day. He's better than Houdini!!

COW's picture

Yep - best there is.

If we're lucky TT will have the same sort of HUGE success with these comp picks as he's had the last 3 years...

McMillin
Datko
BJ Coleman
Newhouse
House
Boyd
Daniels

4 stiffs
2 average players
1 above average player

That's 1 above average player out of 7 picks (14% for those counting at home)... BEST IN THE BIZ, RIGHT THERE!

Imagine if TT uses picks 98 and 176 to get another Boyd and another House... THE SKY'S THE LIMIT!

4thand1's picture

Fuck you, cow. He's one of the best. If any GM was dumb enough to listen to troll turds like you, they'd probably be working as a greeter at Wal-Mart. You are low life Packer hating scum. You are the least interesting person on earth. Stay thirsty my troll.

HankScorpio's picture

It is particularly disingenuous to cite 7th round comp picks (Datko & Coleman) in an attempt to dismiss the value of an extra 3 & 5. TT has never got an extra 3. Wolf did and he picked LeShon Johnson, Tyrone Williams and Cletidus Hunt. Johnson was a disappointment but Williams and Hunt were not

TT has used (4) 4s as comp picks and got John Sitton, Davon House, Jerron McMillan and Mike Daniels.

TT's (2) 5s have been Newhouse and Boyd.

That's a far different picture than talking about Datko and Coleman.

Being the mirror image of the "homers" you like to poke at makes you more like them than unlike them in my book, A S. Congrats on being just as unable to see things as they really are.

COW's picture

"TT has used (4) 4s as comp picks and got John Sitton, Davon House, Jerron McMillan and Mike Daniels.

TT's (2) 5s have been Newhouse and Boyd.

That's a far different picture than talking about Datko and Coleman."

In my post I referenced THE LAST 3 YEARS for a reason... this is the time period I believe TT's drafts have been slipping.

That's why I left Sitton out.

So even after your wonderful breakdown, we still end up with (if I may be so bold as to quote myself)...

"4 stiffs
2 average players
1 above average player"

When you compare the job TT's done over his ENTIRE GB GM TENURE to his contemporaries... he looks damn good.

When you take a look at the last 3 years... not so much.

HankScorpio's picture

In my post I referenced THE LAST 3 YEARS for a reason... this is the time period I believe TT's drafts have been slipping.
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Nice try. But not believable.

You were cherry picking data that was not comparable but did serve to back up your tired mantra. It's just too obvious for me to accept any other explanation. There is not a football fan on the planet that would compare 7th rounders with 3rd rounders when evaluating a GM. At least not one grounded in rational thought. Only ones that are blinded to reality. You earned the title. Wear it proudly.

BTW...It's not believable to cite TT's 2013 draft as an example of "slipping" either. 3 guys are in line to start in year 2 (Lacy, Hyde & Bakhtiari). One of them was Rookie of the Year last year. And that doesn't even touch the year 2 jump that so many players make. If others from that class (Boyd & Jones) make that jump, this class might go down as one of TT's best. If you take off the blinders, you'll see it.

COW's picture

I think all the love for Hyde and Bakhtiari is silly.
A slow corner who can't play outside and a below average LT.
Expectations are way too high for both of these guys.
Bakhtiari will probably improve but I don't see Hyde ever being anything more that a Jerrett Bush. Is he a corner? Is he a safety? Gets beat when outside. He'll end up being the "AJ Hawk" of his position group... accountable/dependable... never a difference maker.

So you've got Lacy.

Boyd?

Seriously?
He falls somewhere between a Jolly and a CJ Wilson... hardly good enough to use in support of a supposed "strong draft".

Birney the baker's picture

A SS Cow, I hate to break the news to you but Mr. Scorpio has womped your A ss. I don't think anyone could have done a better job at this than Hank did.

What's your deal A S ? Who the hell other than the legendary Teddy Tee would you want running your draft ? Seriously A S, name them. Jerry Jones? Michael Sherman? Dan effin Devine? Forrest Gregg? Judge Parins? Tom Braatz? lol Come on man!!

Of course Ted has some misses but it's the nature of the game plus you have salary cap issues to deal with. You just need more hits than misses that's why it's in Ted's favor when he has more draft choices. He lives for the draft Cow. This is where he earns all the money we are paying him and I cannot be more happy knowing he's in charge of the draft. I wouldn't take anyone over this guy period!!

Teddy Tee has been so effin good at draft and develop that he has to actually get rid of hall of fame type guys simply because he has no room for them. See Greg Jennings. Hell, he drafted Nick Collins, Terrance Murphy, and Jermichael Finley. One was a possible hall of famer, another pro bowl talent and the other one we'll never know but was looking damn good before the injury. All lost due to spinal injury. Just think if he had these guys still playing. The list goes on and on. Arod, Matthews, Lacy last year. Good Lord what more do you want?

Look at all the players Teddy Tee let go that are playing for other teams Cow? It's insane how good Ted is and yet you want to complain?

Having said that, I do value you here simply because you piss off a lot of people and that is always needed on boards like this because it keeps people entertained. We need good guy and bad guy. Keep up the good work Cow or As or Ass Cow whatever your name is.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Tom B. I didn't get a chance to reply to one of your reply's to me the other day. This isn't the thread, but I'll do it here. I don't have a problem with the Pink calling awareness to Breast Cancer. It's a deadly killer for a lot women, & I feel the more awareness that can be brought to this issue the better. The NFL is one of, if not the Biggest audience in the country. So I think this is a Good Thing.

I do agree with you on where Pro Football is heading as far as toughness goes. I don't think you'll ever see touch football, but I've told my wife, sort of in jest, that it wouldn't surprise me if they put a Red Flag on the backside of the QB one of these years.

These rule changes are happening because of 2 reasons. 1 is the Salary's of the Players, & 2 because the NFL is afraid of future lawsuits. Teams don't want $20 Mill QB's getting injured, & the NFL doesn't want a lawsuit from every player who retires, who has had concussions.

Somewhat on this issue, I believe the Salary Cap system in the NFL has to change. I'll probably get jumped on here, but I believe at some point soon, the Cap System, has to be capped. What are you going to pay QB'S in 20 yr's, $50 Mill??, $100 Mill??

As I posted once before without a reply, The Players Union of the NFL, is the only Union in this country, without a Pay Scale. I'm a 40 yr Union man. In a Union shop, with the exception of skilled trades, Everyone gets paid the same. It doesn't matter how good you are, or how much you know, or how hard your job is. You get paid the same as the guy next to you, after you have completed your probation period.

I propose the following: Your QB is your Skilled Trade. He gets $20 Mill ect. Every other starter on the team gets equal pay. It doesn't matter what position you play. Each position is equally important to the team. If you are going to pay Jordy or Cobb, or Peppers $8 Mill, it's at the expense of a $3 Mill Guard, who is protecting the franchise.

The 2ond & 3rd string players also get equal pay. If a starter gets hurt, the player that takes his place, gets starter pay. The starter gets secondary pay until he returns.

There are different levels of pay in every Union shop in this country, depending on the job classification. Why should the NFL Players Union be any different? Like it or Not, at some point, you'd have to agree, that some kind of hold has to be placed on Salary's.

This is just my opinion, but I think every starter with the exception of the QB should be paid the same, or have classifications & a Pay Scale. That's how it works in the Real World JMO Don't jump all over me!!

Birney the baker's picture

Tom, the main reason I have a problem with the pretty in pink NFL uniforms for a month is I heard somewhere that the NFL's proceeds to breast cancer from all their pink clothing sales etc is miniscule. It's a joke. They are only doing it to pad their wallets in the name of breast cancer so I think they need to end that shit. Of course they never will. We have plenty of breast cancer awareness. Lots of other cancers out there besides that one. I propose this year all the NFL players wear brown uniforms for colo rectal cancer. Lots of men die from that but the awareness isn't there. It's all about increasing females to the NFL game and experience. The NFL knows most merchandise is bought by the female species not males. Women have breasts so the NFL targets the one cancer where they can profit from the most and look like they care (they really don't) in the process. Follow the money!!

As to your union pay scale. I have never been in a union so I have to say I don't like your idea of NFL pay scale where most players make the same. That sounds a little communist to me. I like the free market system but hey, no biggie if we disagree on this one Las Vegas Tom. I

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Tom B. I can respect your opinion. I would hate to think the NFL is using a woman's issue like Breast Cancer for personal gain. If that's the case, I would hope someone is held accountable. You make a Valid Point. There are other Cancers that need just as much awareness. I sort of look at it this way. If I contribute to a Charity, once the money leaves my hands, I've done my part.

With regard to the Payscale it's how all Union Members in the USA live. In General Motors there are different Job Classifications for the different jobs in the shop. After one's Probation period, The Machinist's all have the same Classification, The Assemblers all have a Classification,
& so on. All members within that group are paid the same, regardless of how good they are, or how many different machines they are capable of running. I like & think Jordy Nelson is a Great Receiver. Why is he in his job, worth any more than someone in the Offensive Line, who is protecting the Franchise. In my Union biased opinion, he isn't. Your Non Union shops down in Tennessee all have Pay Scales. Every worker starts at a starting wage, & works up to a max wage. Everyone in each group is paid the same. In most places of employment, you don't have people side by side, doing basically the same work, making different wages. That really is the difference between how Management thinks, & how a Union person thinks.

I can understand, & accept your thinking on this if you've never had to work in a shop. I can see your side of everyone trying to improve their wages. Unfortunately, my lot in life was in a shop taking orders from someone, who did nothing more during the week than hold a meeting &
tell all of us we weren't working hard enough. I made a Damn Good living, but for that he got Twice the money, & 3 times the benefits. I guess that's the Golden Rule. Got off the subject.

I think you would agree, that at some point, something needs to be done.
Pay Per View is coming to Pro Football. If you don't have tickets, & you want to watch the game, it's going to cost you $19.95 on Sunday. IMO it will happen sooner than later. I respect your opinion, I just had to live by a different set of rules. UNFORTUNEATELY!!

Birney the baker's picture

Good points Tom. No never been in a union but I respect your side of things. I worked with union people but I was a part time guy doing all their work for them. I got paid 75% less and always hated unions ever since. Lots of clueless morons making way more money than they ever would have if they weren't in the union but because the knew someone they "got in" and were unable to be fired. I know you are not one of those guys Tom but I am sure you knew a lot that were and weren't worthy of even collecting a paycheck.

Anyway, I also see the NFL and all sports at some point having to scale down what they pay. It's getting out of hand. Baseball is almost at the point where we can possibly see the first "billion dollar contract" in the next 10 to 20 years. If Obama can just keep raising the minimum wage from 10 to 20.00 an hour I have no doubt we'll see it. lol

Did you ever post on Yahoo sports on the Green Bay board. You sound a lot like a guy I knew there but he was from Missouri I think. His name was Gercla. I wish the guy was back here. You would like him. He also hated Strohkinoff.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

HI TOM B. I'm still currently living most of the year in WI. I also have a home in Henderson NV, about 9 miles from the strip. We plan to move there next year. No, I've never posted anywhere else. Yeah, I worked with guys that did 1/2 as much as I did, & I had senority, but they got paid the same as me. I also worked with Management Supervisors, who didn't know what day of the week it was. They got paid twice what I got.
46 years ago when I started, there were jobs on every corner. You had no trouble getting in. That all changed with Mexico, China, Korea, & believe it or not, VIET NAM.

I like discussing issues of GB & the NFL. Most people on this board disagree with me on the issues I've posted, but for the most part, it's been in a nice way. I don't follow the draft like you guy's do, so I don't know the players. I've had opinions on a couple of GB players, & didn't get too much agreement there either. I try to talk decent to everyone. I've had 1 incident with your friend Stroh, but since that incident, the few times I may have replied to his post, I tried to be Respectful, & the few times he's replied to one of my posts, he's been Respectful back. I try to talk to folks, the same way that I'd like them to talk to me.

I guess we both agree, at some point in the future something needs to be done with the money that is involved in sports, & in this case, the NFL. Unfortunately, the Networks are willing to pay these huge sums of money. You either, with the exception of GB, make a Billionaire owner, even richer, or you make Millionaire Players even richer. I Do Not have the answer, but I Do Know, the Fans will continue to pay.

COW's picture

I agree that in the past TT showed to be a very good drafter.

But that has not been the case the last 3 years.

D. Jones
Lacy*
Bakhtiari*
Tretter
Franklin
Hyde
Boyd
Palmer
Johnson
Dorsey
Barrington
Perry
Worthy
Heyward*
Daniels*
McMillian
Manning
Datko
Coleman
Sherrod
Cobb*
Green
House
Williams
Schlauderaff
Smith
Elmore
Taylor
Guy

* Is or has shown potential to be a difference - making (above NFL average) player.

So that's 4 of 29 (14%).
OK, we'll take out the guys who haven't shown us what they've got due to injury... (Worthy, Sherrod). That's still 4 of 27 (15%).

In the NFL, difference makers win games/championships.
If you're going to only use the draft to acquire talent* you can't have merely 15% of draftees over a three year span show difference - making ability.

*No - I do not consider Peppers to be a difference-making player any more.

Birney the baker's picture

A ss Cow, what is the Packer's winning percentage under Mr. Draft and Develop?

In the NFL it's all about winning right? Just give me his number. I bet it's pretty good just guessing.

The Packers are the smallest NFL market. This is the best course for a team as small as this one to remain competitive in my opinion.

You put a lot of players out there with your list but despite this the Packers are winning and the fans (except you) are mostly happy having a constant competitive team year after year. It's been said a thousand times I am sure but did you really find the 70's and 80's to be enjoyable?

The Packers were one damn dropped int. by Hyde from advancing in the playoffs despite a ton of injuries. I honest to God A ss Cow hope this is the one effin year where we don't have any stupid injuries. I'll put Ted's group he assembled up against any in the league. I don't get why you have to be so effin unhappy. Well... I do but just sayin'...

COW's picture

His winning percentage is what it is for one simple reason... he picked Rodgers... longer than three years ago.

I've said a number of times that I believe TT WAS a very good drafter.
Last 3 seasons have been bad.

Birney the baker's picture

Ok, so with his very first pick ever as G.M. he happened to pick an NFL Hall of Famer and one of the best qb's in NFL history. This despite 23 other teams passing on him and the Packers having Brett Favre.

Surely A ss Cow that has to outweigh your little list you put up. Yes, Rodgers is the no. 1 reason we are competitive every year I agree but it was Teddy Tee that picked him. You can never take that away from him. Rodgers is as you can see worth 5 years maybe even 10 years of bad drafts. lol

The last three seasons you are focusing on. Fine. This is where you also need to focus on the injuries as we've been hit harder than any other team in the NFL yet still have made the playoffs A ss Cow. Again that is a credit to Teddy Tee.

Now I will ask you again. What is our winning percentage under Teddy Tee. You gave me your list of busts now I want you to tell me what that percentage is. I know it's going to be painful for you to do it but I know you can do it A ss Cow. lol

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I agree that TT is one of the best GMs. However, a trade up seems unlikely unless TT is absolutely in love with some prospect. Using Drafttek's trade chart, GB could send pick #21 and #85 and move up from 21 to 17, maybe 16. #85 is GB's 3rd round pick. That's a lot to move up just a few spots. Most football sources indicate that the talent level is roughly the same from pick #10 or 12 through 25 roughly, so trading up would be either for need, or someone fell and/or because TT loved a prospect. Plus this is reputed to be the strongest draft pool in recent memory, so a 3rd round pick is pretty valuable.

I personally could see trading down to #26 (Cleveland), #28 (Carolina), or #29 (New England) since each of those teams has a draft pick to send that fits Drafttek's trade chart (i.e. GB would net picks 102, or 92, or 93 respectively depending on which team GB traded with). Trading down to #35 might net GB Cleveland's high 3rd round pick (#71). Not sure that I would be thrilled with that, but some friends argued that GB could still draft Fuller, or Tuitt, etc., at #35. I am not sure if that will turn out to be true or that I even like those players particularly, but I have seen Tuitt mocked anywhere from #20 to #43. I would find it hard to pass on Mosley, Ha-Ha, Ebron, maybe Nix or Evans, should they be available at #21. Maybe TT will consider #26, 28 or 29 if he thinks a player he likes will still be available. At this point I trust in TT not only to make great picks but maybe even to fleece another team with a trade!

HankScorpio's picture

I would gladly sacrifice picking on day 1 for 2 additional picks on day 2.

5 guys in rounds 2-3 would really give the roster the shot in the arm it could use.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Honestly I was hoping for a 3rd and 5th but was expecting a 4th and 6th or 7th. This is great news especially for Thompson. Great draft to have extra picks in the middle rounds.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

Wonder if the Colts would trade Walden for a 5?

COW's picture

How 'bout Perry or Mulumba or Palmer for Walden?
Pack could use an upgrade at OLB... and Walden would be just that.

4thand1's picture

Calling you an asshole is an insult to assholes everywhere.

jeremyjjbrown's picture

That's just nonsense. Perry is clearly a better player with more upside than Walden.

HankScorpio's picture

Walden is an upgrade at OLB?

Did you watch him play in GB?

Doug In Sandpoint's picture

Can't wait for next year when AS will be telling us how great Newhouse was for the Bengals and how he'd be an upgrade over any lineman we have.

COW's picture

Newhouse sucks.

Walden is better than Perry, Palmer, and Mulumba... and I'm no Walden fan.

Perry is the Finley of OLB's... looks the part... seems like he's always just about to break out... but there's always something "missing".

RC Packer Fan's picture

The Ravens traded Boldin for a 6th round draft pick. Texans traded Matt Schaub for a 6th round draft pick. Saints traded Sproles for a 5th round pick.

Packers essentially traded Walden for a 5th round draft pick. I would have been happy to have received a 7th rounder for Walden. Yeah, I'll take that every time.

HankScorpio's picture

The straight player for pick in the Walden case is a win for the Packers, IMO.

That win is compounded by the fact that Walden isn't chewing up all that cap space in GB.

Clay Zombo's picture

I don't know, Josh Sitton and Mike Daniels are pretty good picks in the 4th round. McMillian sucked as 4th rounder Davon House is ok. Newhouse a 5th rounder is/was serviceable. Boyd has some potential still. Datko and Coleman were 7th round stiffs if that helps any.

I wouldn't say Thompson is the best GM in the NFL because its just not true but at least hes not the worst.

Stroh's picture

The best is subjective, but I would say he's in the top 3-5 for damn sure. Simply put its a matter of opinion of who is THE best, but finding any source that puts Thomspson outside the top few is unlikely.

Go ahead and do a google search on NFL GM's. Thompson is in the top 3 of nearly every rating I found.

PackerBacker's picture

Well, if you believe A S (Cow) ... Ahahahahahaha ... Sorry, I can't do it with a straight face.

TommyG's picture

While we are all disappointed that every draft pick ever made by TT didn't turn into an all-pro, none of us can deny that TT understands the draft-system better than most.

L's picture

Thanks to the signing of "cut" players in FA this year and the departure of some of our own UFA we should be looking at some nice comp picks next year too.

I offer an additional thank you to former Packers - EDS, J.Jones, M.Newhouse, and MD.Jennings for the compensation they may or likely will bring us next year. G.Van Roten was signed by the Seahawks, but I believe the Packers released him outright or "cut" him so we won't receive any compensation for his signing. Anyways, those other players have signed with new teams and now their contracts, playing time, plus performances will work toward generating additional picks for the Packers next year... hurrah!

Not to mention, there's still more players who can earn the Packers picks next year if they sign with new teams too, such as: J.Kuhn, J.Finley (if he's ever cleared), R.Pickett, J.Jolly (also if healthy), CJ.Wilson, M.Flynn, R.Francois, S.Wallace, and K.Bell. If the Packers don't intend on bringing them back (and most I hope they don't) then I'd like to see them find homes with new teams so that they can add to the compensatory picks that the Packers will receive next year. Although, I think the Pack may have some interest in bringing back J.Kuhn on a 1 year deal w/ no or very little money guaranteed if he can't find anything better on the market and possibly M.Flynn on a similar deal in order to raise the competition level in training camp. I think M.Flynn would be expected to push S.Tolzien if he doesn't look really good during the summer QB school and J.Kuhn to raise the level of expectations for pass blocking by the RBs.

Also, I still would like to see the Packers make a team friendly 2-year offer to TE Owen Daniels and at least bring in FS Thomas DeCoud for a look because both of these players would help either bring depth and competition to a position that needs it or present the team with a viable starting asset. Neither player would count against the teams' compensatory picks next year because they were released outright (cut) by there teams this year.

KSchwaggs's picture

Was expecting a 4th for Jennings, looking forward to what TT does with the 3rd rounder!

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