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Packers: 33 Bears: 28

Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson

The Bad

Morgan Burnett, Nick Perry, Jamari Lattimore

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A_Lerxst_in_Packerland's picture

Extra Category: Obnoxious - Joe Buck

bogfan's picture

I'm sick of Troy Aikman picking at the flaws of the Green Bay Packers.
Is it my imagination?

Beep's picture

Not trying to troll, but there are plenty of flaws to point out, have you seen our defense?
Also, you have to fill 3 hours of air time somehow and it can't only be praising Aaron Rodgers. There was equal criticism of the Bears too.
CBS experimented with one game with no play-by-play or color commentary back in 1980. Bryant Gumbel said a few words before kick off then set down the mic and walked into the stadium. During the game, they broadcast the stadium PA announcer only. I think true football fans liked it, but the casual fans need some help from the commentators to know what is going on. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5906858

Idiot Fan's picture

I thought I read that this year, for the NCAA championship game, they are experimenting with letting TV fans choose between the FSU announcers and the Auburn announcers (I'm not totally sure how). I can't wait for the day when that is the norm and I can select Wayne and Rock and have it synced perfectly with my video feed. (Although for the record, I actually don't mind Aikman and Buck.)

jeremy's picture

Not really sure why this isn't possible now. Multiple audio programs have been supported for over a decade. It's probably about the money somehow.

Phatgzus's picture

Why not? It's Aaron Rodgers, praise him 'til the cow42s come home, then praise him some more. Impartiality, you say? Fageddaboutit, we don't need no stinkin' impartiality!

Tommy2Tone's picture

Why not get a room so you and Aaron can spoon or whatever. I bet you're one of those losers who wears his jersey around, too.

Mark in Montana's picture

I've never quite seen Aikman as biased against the Pack. He doles out criticism, but praise as well. I like the color commentators like Aikman and Collinsworth that point out flaws in teams, even if it gets me a little pissed at the time. In a perfect world someone like Aikman would be in the middle of the broadcaster talent pool, but I'd take him in a second over the Moose and Goose show, Randy Cross (out of the booth for years now, rightfully so), and Deirdorf (who finally retired yesterday).

Ray's picture

Not your imagination. He is one of the most irritating commentators. And for some reason we always get this dynamic duo.

PackerStan's picture

The Fox crew seems to hate the NFC North...especially any team that has someone who performs better than Aikman did.

SoTxPhil's picture

I don't think you are imagining anything about that announcing team being anti-Packers. After all they are both Dallas residents and after what the Packers have done in destroying the cowboys the last 2 times in GB and making them look like fools at home a few games ago, they have to be prejudiced.

Morgan Mundane's picture

amen on Buck, can't stand the guy.

dullgeek's picture

I really, really, do not understand this. I have zero problem with Buck/Aikman. I think they're wrong sometimes, but I think equally wrong in the Packers favor as in the favor of the opponent.

I really don't understand the Buck/Aikman hate. Can someone 'splain?

Mojo's picture

I'm with dullgeek on this one. Can't figure out why there's so much animosity for the Buck/Aikman team. I personally think Buck is very good and Aikman in no worse or better than most of the analysts. I don't get the anti-Packer vibes so many others get. Maybe fans are just listening for anything they construe as negative as evidence the worlds against us.

Barutan Seijin's picture

They're not Packer homers.

cLowNEY42's picture

My wife hates Buck.

I couldn't care less.

My youngest daughter is terrified of him.
She says he looks like a "scary dwarf with big hands".

Point Packer's picture

Buck is the antagonist from The Matrix. Think about it for a second.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

I still can't believe a human woman married you, and gave birth to junior cows. I find this fascinating.

Tommy2Tone's picture

Fitzcore, you're about as clever as Richie Incognito.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Whoa, whoa there Timmy2dongsatatime, why the lip?
You must be cow relation. Good For you, sticking up for each other.

brownstar's picture

"a human woman"

You don't know that...

brownstar's picture

" a human woman "

You don't know that...

ohenry78's picture

I normally don't mind Buck and Aikman as much as most people do, except the way that Aikman pronounces Green Bay.

The one time that they really irritated me though was after the Cowboys game, right at the very end. Instead of talking about the amazing job the Packers did in coming back (albeit with help from Dallas' playcallers) all they could talk about was Dallas' collapse. They gave GB very little credit in the closing comments of that broadcast.

Point Packer's picture

I loved how those idiots praised the Bears for taking a TO after the long Jeffrey catch right before the 3rd Forte TD. For whatever reason, they thought it was a great strategy to give time for the team to review the last play and then decide to throw the challenge flag.

In a close game, given the Packer D's inability to stop the run, not sure why calling a TO is a wise move. But Troy/Buck sure did.

Beep's picture

So true about Aikman pronouncing GREEN Bay instead of Green BAY like everyone else in the world. He always puts the EMphasis on the wrong SYlable.

Mojo's picture

Jordy wasn't good - he was great. Easily one of the best players on this team.

Kevin's picture

Any chance that there is an open competition between Richardson, Burnett, Jennings (sigh), and draft picks for the safety spots next year? I feel like Burnett should not be guaranteed a starting spot if we can draft someone in the first two or three rounds

jack in jersey city's picture

i don't think so. they just gave burnett a really good contract so it looks like he's the guy

Nerd's picture

Hyde should get a strong look.

cLowNEY42's picture

I really don't get this "Hyde at safety" thing.

Yeah - he tackles well, but his problem is a lack of speed.
I guess his instincts/recognition might help but I'd much rather they found a guy who has sideline to sideline speed.

Hyde doesn't have that.

He is what he is (in my opinion)... a slowish slot defender.

Nerd's picture

You're a dipshit.

cLowNEY42's picture

Ok.
But am I wrong?

C's picture

You're wrong about Hyde's speed for a safety, yes. The average 40 for a safety is 4.55+, anything less than a 4.3 shuttle is great. Hyde ran a 4.56, with a 4.2 shuttle.

Top safety draft picks (40/shuttle):

-Vaccaro - 4.63/4.06
-Reid - 4.53/4.22
-Elam - 4.54/?
-Cyprien - 4.64/4.44

Do I think Hyde can transition to Safety? Don't care, he's really good at or near the line of scrimmage and in the slot.

Evan's picture

I guess the counter argument would be that Reid, Voccaro, Cyprien and Elam all put up similar speed numbers as Hyde while being 15-20 pounds heavier.

Can Hyde bulk up to play safety while maintaining his speed?

PS: Kenny Vaccaro's NFL Draft profile lists his NFL comp as Morgan Burnett...ha

C's picture

@Even - I believe Hyde was at 197 at the combine. His frame is as big or bigger than everybody on that list but Reid. I would doubt playing at 210 would reduce his lateral speed all that much, but that's pure guess work. I'm a University of Iowa alumn, watched the kid play his whole career. At the end of the day the coaching staff knows his future, but he's been just outstanding as a dime back. Very consistent in nickle, too. He's always excelled (even in college) when he's riding the TE/WR hip-pocket. Ask him to navigate space and anticipate angles in coverage? He didn't look comfortable at all in that role. I love him where he's at, great value for the pick.

As to cow's statement, he was just wrong. It's that whole, 'seek to understand, then criticize' thing that eludes him.

Evan's picture

Yeah, Hyde was 197 at the combine. Not sure what you mean by his "frame" but Vaccaro was 214, Reid was 213, Cyprien 217 and Elam 208 (at just 5'10").

But, yeah, I think the kid is a playmaker and should only get better. Whether that's at safety or CB, I'll let the coaches figure that out.

C's picture

I'm talking height and ability to add mass. At least Hyde is 'flexible'. He can redirect quickly and has hips that are better than average when turning. Matt Elam and Shamarko Thomas are maxed out and look really stiff trying to turn. I really haven't seen Cyprien, can't comment.

Evan's picture

Ah, I see.

Another factor that might contribute is Hayward. With a healthy Hayward locking down the nickle back, does it make sense to "waste" Hyde's talents at dime back? Or would a move to safety allow the Pack to get him on the field more/put their best DBs on the field at the same time.

Tommy2Tone's picture

You guys really need to consider getting a life.

brownstar's picture

I have to agree with Cow. Hyde played Safety for a while at Iowa and he did not do well.

Barutan Seijin's picture

That would be kind of like the 3 stooges competing to go through a doorway.

Phatgzus's picture

LOL, nyuck nyuck nyuck.

RC Packer Fan's picture

yeah, can't disagree with the Good/Bad/Ugly.

Just to continue it I guess, I would add AJ Hawk for his forced fumble on Marshall, and Boykin for picking the ball up on the fumble and running it in for what is the oddest play I have ever seen. In the good category.

Bad, I would say Nick Perry's attempt on the tackle of Forte in the open field late in the game.

Ugly, Well aren't the refs always in the ugly? There was a bunch of bad calls again, but what else is new.
Between the numerous holding penalty's against the Bears WR's, or the PI(Tackle) of Jordy Nelson on the Cobb TD, or the last play where Jay Cutler was over the line when he threw the ball. Yeah, all horrible. I have to admit to that roughing the QB penalty on Rodgers was a bad call.

I understand we expect a lot out of our refs, but if they can't see simple things, then they either need to add additional Refs or they have to start using the replay more.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Ok, so watching Sportscenter I see the Chiefs missed a FG that would have won the game for them. However on the miss they pointed out that the Chargers had to many guys to one side of the ball per a rule. Should have been a 5 yard penalty and rekick. Which at 30 yards out he probably makes it.

If he makes that kick, Chargers lose, are out of the playoffs and Steelers are in the playoffs...

Talk about UGLY... I guess our refs messed up, but they didn't cost a completely different team a playoff birth.

jack in jersey city's picture

the officiating this season is worse than ever!

dullgeek's picture

Suspect it's related to the complexity of the rules.

Sir Cheese's picture

Vic Ketchman agrees with you, and so do I.

Nerd's picture

Rodgers was down on that play, and the dude hit him. Not a bad call imho.

Refs are gonna protect Arodge, especially after he's been out for 7 weeks.

Evan's picture

To me, it was certainly unnecessary hit (he was already down), but not remotely vicious or excessive. I'll happily take it, but I'd be furious if it was called against us.

packsmack25's picture

The funny part was that the EXACT SAME THING happened to Foles in the nightcap, and he didn't get the call.

Beep's picture

People need to lay off the officials somewhat.

There's a difference between not applying the rules correctly and missing what actually happened on a live play.

Incorrectly applying the rules is a big mistake that needs to be criticized, but you can't get down on these officials for a bang-bang play they get to see one angle at full speed only to find out that in HD slow motion replay from the 4th different camera angle that a receiver did let the ball hit the ground on a diving catch.

There are 7 refs responsible for watching only a few of the 22 players on a field that is 53yds wide and 100 yards long, not to mention these 22 players are in the 0.1% of the population that are the most elite athletes capable of moving faster than the human eye.

The officiating is no worse than 20 years ago, but now every live action play is up for debate with 6 camera angles. If they put one official on every camera angle, every play would have a penalty.

xuyee's picture

They made a great call on the "Forward Fumble" play, IMO.

Evan's picture

True - they called that 100% correct.

The call that infuriated me was that Quarless circus catch. One guy ruled it a catch and then like a minute later was overruled by another guy. The play was so close (I don't think the ball touched the ground) that there is no way either guy definitively knew what happened, but by changing the call, it put the challenge onus on the Packers instead of the Bears.

Doug In Sandpoint's picture

I remember back when we had to wait until Greg Brady developed the film to see that the receiver's foot came down in bounds.

cLowNEY42's picture

Awesome.

California Cheesehead's picture

Good: The atmosphere at the sports bar I was at here in Tahoe. Multiple TVs, four games. Pack/Bears, Seahawks, 'niners, and Chargers. Amazing atmosphere and a lot of Packer fans celebrating far from home, a few Bears fans that made the game fun shaking hands and leaving early. What a game!

Otto's picture

Is it true the Packers have petitioned the NFL to play all their "season on the line", "must win" games at Soldier Field?

fish and crane's picture

and for SHields to intercept passes at the end, at said field, ..if the Packers are to win the Super Bowl.

Joe's picture

So basically

Good - Offense
Bad - Defense
Ugly - Bears

cheesy4's picture

The Good
Green bay offensive line
Rogers first game back against the team that put him down for 7 weeks and I don't think he got touched today

SCFPackFan's picture

Burnett doesn't deserve to be in the "bad" this week. He was out of position again on a couple plays but made two game changing plays on the Marshall fumble recovery and knocking the ball away from Jeffrey in the end zone on the final drive, saving the game. Insert Jennings/Richardson and I agree completely.

drealyn williams's picture

There was this one play (forgot if it was a 2nd or 3rd down) where the Pack had the ball, Rodgers did a hard count and some D-End of the Bears jumped up and kept his balance by placing his hand on the shoulder of Quarless -- NO CALL. Other observations; Jordy is the sh*t! Whaaaaat the phuck is up with the 3rd and 1 play calling!? One series the Pack look like sh*t the next they make it look soooooo - soooooo easy! I guess I have to concede that we don't have any good safeties on this team. Fast forward to the 49ers; I know we can beat this team. Will it take a perfect game? Maybe. Games like this I wish we had Franklin to slow down the pass rush with screens and other dump offs. Where has James Jones been!? I hope the practices leading up to game time is all about discipline for the defense. Ok,I'm done.

Jamie's picture

FTR - the DE didn't touch the TE, he just pointed at him (as if he moved). I thought the same thing, so I watched it back and it was very close but he didn't actually touch him.

Phatgzus's picture

Pretty sure Quarless did move and that if Rodgers had the ball snapped while the DE was in the neutral zone it would've been a false start, good thing he's smart enough to know that (granted he may have been too busy making adjustments to notice/get the ball snapped in time).

The TKstinator's picture

When a team fails to convert on third and one, it is normal for fans to get angry. But.when a running play fails it's "too conservative", "no imagination", etc. When a pass fails, it's "too fancy", "dumb", etc.

No team converts EVERY third and one.

Can't wait to hear back from POC on this one!

drealyn williams's picture

But when you have a 230+ pound RB why do toss plays? Runs to the outside were not working at all that game. And I (kind of) get when MM wants the ball in Rodgers hands on clutch downs and plays,but don't you think they over think themselves at times? I mean,1 yard. Really -- 1 yard!

The TKstinator's picture

My totally honest opinion is this: any play that doesn't work is the wrong one.

Wasn't it third and one (or 4th and one) on that last drive when Rodgers threw to Jordy for five yards? Where are the complaints over that one?

Heck yes I'd love to see Lacy up the gut on third and short, but I think it's naive to expect it to work every single time. And when it does't, we're right back here again!

drealyn williams's picture

Do I like the 4th and 1 PASS (call) to Nelson? Hell no! So much could have went wrong. Much more can go wrong with a pass play vs. a running play (for 1 yard),IMO. On top of that,it came out of Shotgun! I'm not saying running Lacy on 3 and short would work every time,but sheesh -- why did we draft him? It sure seems like 3rd and short coming out in Shotgun is the norm for us. All I'm saying is switch it up. I love having the ball in Rodgers hands come critical downs/plays,but for 1 damn yard....c'mon now. Use that big 230+ pound RB no one wants to tackle heads up in the freezing cold.

drealyn williams's picture

Oh yea,there has been many times this season where we have been in the Redzone and I would just loooooooved to have seen 3-straight runs from Lacy. Not caring if he gained a single yard. Let them big boys up from plus Lacy and Starks impose their will for once. At least attempt to.

Evan's picture

"Use that big 230+ pound RB no one wants to tackle heads up in the freezing cold."

But earlier in that same drive they did do that and he didn't convert. Lacy was at best 75% healthy yesterday. Probably less so. Running him would hardly have been automatic.

The plays worked, we won, let it go.

drealyn williams's picture

Here's what you two are misunderstanding; I'm not saying he's automatic! No one is right or wrong here. It's not a debate.

Phatgzus's picture

Because Eddie is a monster in toss plays-he gets 3 or more yards to pretty much get to his maximum burst and also affords him more time to find a gap, have you seen people trying to tackle him at the high end of his first gear? The problem was that he has a bum ankle and they were running to the right (because that's our better toss run/wide run side-Barclay vs. Bak-T, sometimes with Sitton or Land pulling) so he had to cut on that ankle and thus, lost a lot of power/burst.

KurtMc's picture

The refs are terrible. Every game there are just horrible mistakes. For a billion $ business, and so much on the line in a 16 game season it needs fixed. Add extra officials, hire permanent or simplify the rule book.

I'd hate to see reply used more than it is now.

The Ugly. Packers management for not valuing a back up QB as part of the 53 roster. Only the ineptness of Lions and Bears saved this season.

Cheddarhead's picture

especially the spot of the ball twice 4th 1

I bleed Green More's picture

The calls refs have made this year are flat horrible.

The TKstinator's picture

Ok, a little out of left field here, but here goes:

A coach's demeanor only matters when his team loses.

Tom Landry was composed, stoic.
When Dallas won, he was providing "consistency", "stability", etc.
When Dallas lost, he "failed to light a fire under his team", lacked "passion", "intensity", etc.

So the point is, "just win, baby"; that way, however you act, it's the "right" way!!

Now tell me I'm not 100% correct with this!

MarkinMadison's picture

You are not 100% correct on this - Jim Schwartz is Exhibit A.

You posts today suggest that you do not think the average fan can accurately evaluate play-calling decisions or the impact of a coach's personality. Based upon a few plays here and there for play-calling, or a few games here and there for a coach's personality, you have a point. But patterns emerge over time that even us average Joe's can observe and have an opinion about.

Stroh's picture

Your right... The average fan isn't qualified. Should have just ended it there. Most fans complaing ad nauseum about 3rd and short and say you gotta run Lacy every time. Well on the last drive Lacy had 3rd and one at our 20ish yd line and he couldn't convert. Exactly the play EVERYONE is calling for McCarthy to call everytime and Lacy didn't get it and had to go for it on 4th down.

So apparently they didn't mind that Lacy got it in exactly the situation they want him to get it and he didn't convert! Yet fans are calling for exactly that play every time!

Stroh's picture

BTW the Packers got the ball on the last drive needing 87 yds w/ 6 min remaining. The Packers scored the TD w/ 38 sec left. Its about seeing the forrest for the trees and walking out of the forrest, instead of seeing every tree (play) and getting lost in the forrest (or minutia). The drive won the game, instead of losing it.

Phatgzus's picture

I think it's you can't see the Forrest for the Gump; agree with what you're saying, though.

packsmack25's picture

Actually, he DID convert, the Packers just got screwed on the spot and MM didn't want to waste the final timeout on a review that was probably going to be upheld because the refs had already upheld two close calls incorrectly.

Evan's picture

That is a good point - that was a BS spot.

After the 4th down run, though, where Kuhn clearly got it, I loved the Bears celebrating as if they had stopped him.

Stroh's picture

I didn't think he converted it. Its where the ball is at the whistle. Lacy had his back to the LOS and across the 1st down line, but the ball wasn't! Learn the rules.

Evan's picture

I think the ball crossed the line.

And, seriously, chill out, dude.

packsmack25's picture

Actually it's where forward progress is stopped unless the player willingly runs backward. His progress clearly crossed the line. Those are the rules.

Stroh's picture

Anyone else noticing a trend here? If the packers don't have a successful play its either...
1. Bad play call by McCarthy even tho Rodgers controls the actual play call more than McCarthy does.
2. A bad call by the officials. Didn't spot the ball correctly or there was clearly a penalty that was missed.

How about #3. Sometimes plays don't work, and the Defense makes a play?

Stroh's picture

BTW evan... I'm completely calm. No !!! Not arguing ad nauseum. Just stating the facts as I saw them and so you're telling me to chill just cuz I'm disagreeing or not agreeing w/ the finicky masses.

MarkinMadison's picture

Me: "But patterns emerge over time that even us average Joe’s can observe and have an opinion about."

v.

Stroh: "Its about seeing the forrest for the trees and walking out of the forrest, instead of seeing every tree (play) and getting lost in the forrest (or minutia)."

Maybe Stroh should have stopped at "Your (sic) right."

wilsonmaywick's picture

I get where you're coming from my Madison brother. Point well made.

RunAndHyde's picture

When you only need a yard its stupid to run a sweep. That gives you way too much ground to cover. Just run the damn ball up the gut.

Stroh's picture

They did and Lacy didn't covert. Why do you think all coaches change it up? Its not like McCarthy is the only one.

Idiot Fan's picture

Stroh, I would argue that the outcome doesn't necessarily make a call good or bad. I think the point that many are making here is that running Lacy against that D on third and one is a much higher percentage play than a pass. Lacy may get stuffed sometimes, and passes may be completed sometimes, but you're likely going against the odds doing it that way.

The TKstinator's picture

Well sure we can have opinions!
What I say is that there is so much more that goes into these things that the average fan (like me) doesn't even know about. I think one of the differences is that I KNOW that I don't know everything.

And Schwartz loses too often to get away with acting the way he does.

Point Packer's picture

How many people on this forum knew they were giving it to Kuhn on that play?

4thand1's picture

Who won the fuckin game. From reading this crap, sounds like the Bears.

Bomdad's picture

I liked Shields performance.

Evan's picture

Real nice breakdown of the final play from Bill Barnwell: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10214346/bill-barnwell-week-17-nfl

A few things stood out from his analysis.

1. The Bears blitzed 7 while the Packers only had 6 to block. He says Bak let Peppers go free because CB Isaiah Frey came up to the line and blitzed up the middle. That's the correct call, I believe - always pick up interior pressure first.

2. Trestman said the 4 DBs were supposed to be in man but appeared to be playing zone (aside from Major Wright who took out Nelson).

3. Barnwell says it appears the Pack ran 4 verticals on that play, which strikes me as insane.

packsmack25's picture

Pretty sure he audibled to four verts after reading the zero coverage. I don't think it was the original playcall.

The TKstinator's picture

You sure could be right.
Now we're getting somewhere.

Evan's picture

Ah. Good call.

KurtMc's picture

nice link Evan, thanks

packsmack25's picture

Also, Barwell agrees with me about it being an abysmal decision to kick the extra point down by two. It worked out anyway, but it was just a brutal call. The fact that he got away with it makes me scared going forward. No lesson was learned.

some guy's picture

you're correct. it was an absolutely terrible decision to not go for 2 at the 11 min mark. stupidity beyond belief that almost lost the game. yet many in the chat thought it was no big deal.

crazytown.

Idiot Fan's picture

I thought I read that Jordy was supposed to cross the field, but since he got knocked over, it's hard to tell if he was going to or not.

Also, I thought I read that the original protection called for the oline to block right, but that Kuhn called for a change at the last minute, only Bak and Rodgers didn't hear it, leaving Peppers to run free.

It's crazy though - without Kuhn's block, we would have seen our season end with Peppers sitting on top of Rodgers, which would have been very depressing. What a difference a block makes!

Joe's picture

It's not 4 verts. Jones stops after the first down marker, Rodgers said he planned to hit Jordy right away, but he actually got knocked over. (should have been illegal contact)

The TKstinator's picture

In every game, there are plays called that don't work.
That is a given.
And it will continue as long as the great sport of football is played.

The TKstinator's picture

Down and distance.
Personnel groupings.
Formations.
Tendencies.
Execution.
Human error.

Throw it all into one big pot, stir it around, and tell me anyone could perfectly predict every possible combination, scenario, and outcome.

No way.

Morgan Mundane's picture

Congrats to the Pack. They hung in there and got it done. I still think MM wears too many hats on the sidelines is my only comment. Personally I don't think he has the time to take things in.
I would of and even the commentators pointed out, a two point conversion may have been the best way to go to at least get a tie then if things don't work, say the pass to Cobb never happens, you at least are tied and not losing a game by one point, as the Lions did.
Play calling on that drive was pretty poor two. Way too many 3rd and long yardage plays due to running the ball unsuccessfully.

4thand1's picture

Pass the ball, no run the ball. There's no winning in troll world.

Michael from Winnipeg's picture

I'm gonna stick my neck out a bit on this and give Capers a "Good", simply because I expected Marshall and Jeffrey to each have 100 yd games, and one of them having a 150+ yard game. I expected a big game from their TE Bennett as well. I yelled at the TV atleast 3 times saying, "watch out for Bennett" when a pass to a TE was forthcoming.

Now, you can say, Capers was a "Bad" because of the running success that Forte had, but maybe that was the gameplan. Consider it to be the same as what the 1990 Giants and their DC, Belichick did vs the Bills in Super Bowl in order to stop the K-Gun.

And one last thing...has our nickel, now become our base defense?

packsmack25's picture

I agree, and without some brain farts by the safeties, the Packers defense would have had a really really good game. It bothers me that people are all over Capers when ANY successful 3-4 system is reliant on safety play and Capers is essentially working with the bottom of the barrel back there.

The TKstinator's picture

One way or another, I would LOVE to see our safeties upgraded.

Heck, maybe they can "fix" that the same way they "fixed" the running game this year!

Remember in preseason when MM said, "Our running game will be much improved this season. Write it down now." I remember that and dang if it wasn't RIGHT ON!

The TKstinator's picture

Oh heck I'm all for ANY (or all) aspect(s) of the D to be upgraded. Now who's with me?

Stroh's picture

Just the DC. Get rid of Capers and I think the D will be more than fine. need a younger DC that the players will play hard for.

Bert's picture

I am all for upgrading the "D" across the board. I'm not a big fan of Capers but then again the quality and smarts of many of the players just isn't there. Hard for any DC to make some of these guys look good and be in the right place at the right time.

Idiot Fan's picture

On that long Jeffery pass (which I think was a TD), Buck said, "Shields was expecting some safety help there." Yep, that pretty much sums up the whole season for the defense.

Point Packer's picture

"Safety help" and the 2013 Green Bay Packers don't belong in the same sentence.

Stroh's picture

Completely agree. We play far too much nickel! Its way to easy to run vs a 2 DL front. Need to play base 34 a lot more. One of the reasons I want Capers replaced.

john's picture

On Aikman - IMO most things Aikman says are valid but it seems clear he goes out of his way to find the negatives on the Pack. Example: Rode the "Lattimore is out of position, it's been a problem for the Packers all season" comment seemingly all day.

Ugly - special teams.

Michael from Winnipeg's picture

Oh, here is another "Bad", that I just remembered.
Pam Oliver with her post-game interview with Rodgers, and her comments about people questioning Rodgers's toughness? Like, damn, Pam. You're a journalist. Dont you follow what is going on with the Packers before you do their games? I thought it was shoddy, and was expecting a "wth" look from Rodgers directed towards Pam.
If ESPN had a game tonight, it would be: C'mon Pam!

The TKstinator's picture

Yep, that thought occurred to me too about the "toughness" question.

I would have LOVED IT if Rodgers would have said, "What do you say Pam to the many male fans who claim that you have obviously gained weight and lost quite a bit of the "hotness" you used to have?"

Ok, that would have been mean, but...

RunAndHyde's picture

He wasn't great, but I just watched the game again and the linebacker that stood out was Mulumba. He still makes some mistakes from time to time but he was good in pursuit and it was nice to see SOMEBODY get to the qb!

Stroh's picture

I was more impressed by staying at home in the 4th qtr when Forte changed course after starting the opposite way. He got a tackle for a 5 yd loss that was crucial in not allowing the bears to get a 1st down and led to a punt and the Packers game winning drive. That's whats going to be needed vs Kaperdick.

RunAndHyde's picture

That's one of the plays I was thinkin about...dude showed some good discipline all game.

White92's picture

Good- Jordy, Cobb, and Rodgers

Bad- Punt coverage team

Ugly- the 2 really obnoxious fat chicks behind me at the game yelling obscenities the entire game. How sweet the silence after Shields interception!

Tony's picture

One of the most satisfying wins I've seen in my years watching them. That was just awesome.

I'm terrified to see how our edge defenders and safeties play this week, though. They were just brutal! But I couldn't be happier that they're in this position anyway. We're spoiled rotten.

GO PACK!

greenbaysavant's picture

The Bad- Green Bay Kick coverage

Evan's picture

Hester didn't score = a win

Worldstab's picture

UGLY: MCCARTHY

1. Why would he even think of punting on 4th & 1, when our defense was struggling so much?

2. Not going for 2 to try to tie the game. If we lose, he should be fired for that call alone.

3. Not trying to run it in when you had 2nd down at the 5. At this stage of the game, Lacy would definitely get in on 2 runs.

4. Not coaching Cobb to give himself up at the 1, so we could kick the field goal FTW as time expired. (I'm joking on this one).

Point Packer's picture

Ugly: Worldstab

Evan's picture

+1

Point Packer's picture

1. Why would he even think of punting on 4th & 1, when our defense was struggling so much?

Doesn't matter what he thought, what matters is what he did.

2. Not going for 2 to try to tie the game. If we lose, he should be fired for that call alone.

Or we could go for it, miss it and then by down by two scores instead of one.

3. Not trying to run it in when you had 2nd down at the 5. At this stage of the game, Lacy would definitely get in on 2 runs.

If Lacy was 100%, I would agree with you here. But he was probably closer to 75.

4thand1's picture

What a moron

Jordan's picture

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4. Mason Crosby bought Randall Cobb a steak dinner tonight to say thank you for not taking a knee. Crosby and Slocum are still trying to figure out why his kick was blocked against steelers. Some packers fans really do think Cobb should have taken a knee.....which is comical.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

MJD took a knee in a very similar situation a few years back. He was praised by the pundits and experts for such a heady play.

Fact.

Stroh's picture

Pretty sure his team was leading at the time. Big difference to being behind in that situation.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Oh, of course Jacksonville kicked what was nothing but a glorified extra point to secure the victory. When's the last time we missed an extra point?

larry valdes's picture

Definitely you have to go for the 2 points I was wondering why if you missed you. Still win the game with a fildgoal terrible call.

4thand1's picture

Wonder no more. Go for 2 and miss with 11 minutes left. Bears get another td. Now your down 9 points with maybe around 4 minutes left. Now you need 2 scores. Still wondering? Terrible.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

That's the way I saw it as well.

WKUPackFan's picture

Agreed

Point Packer's picture

Same here. Praised the decision around a group of folks who were slamming the decision. Given how both offenses were playing, it was the right move.

4thand1's picture

Some people are "sofa kingdom." say it to a friend.

steven's picture

And i give you andrew quarless!!!! Guy is showing up. Safety first round!

Don c's picture

Don t hold stroh's comments against him. He just doesn't understand football. Probably played soccer

The TKstinator's picture

I think Stroh is one of the more knowledgeable football guys on here.
POC is most likely numero uno, then a whole herd of guys in that next tier.

What I object to is "blindness" on both sides; blind optimism AND blind pessimism.

I don't consider "blind optimism" as being a "true" fan. I think a "true fan" can still be realistic.

"Blind pessimism"? I think we all feel pretty much the same as far as that goes...

Stroh's picture

Who the hell are you? GO back and hide under the rock you came out from! Jerk!

Your picking the wrong person to get on the bad side of. I've got a as much if not more knowledge than anyone here!

cLowNEY42's picture

"Your picking the wrong person to get on the bad side of."

Oooooooh.............

Sum Ding Wong's picture

Where in the hell is Perry and where is Datone? Are they even playing? Wow I do not want to hear about TT and his draft prowness.
Teams are running and have been running right at Perry all year long with great success. Datone, I never hear his name. Sum Ding Wong

White92's picture

I only saw Datone on a handful of snaps..one being the long touchdown to Jefferies on which he got no pressure. Disappointing the way he has not progressed..

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