Packers 2018 NFL Draft: Day 3 Analysis
After all the moving and trading the Green Bay Packers did on the first two days of the 2018 NFL draft, fans and pundits expected something similar on Day 3 of the draft. Yet, when it was all said and done, the Packers stayed and used all eight picks Saturday and in the process, addressed more needs.
The first couple days of the draft were all about defense, but on Saturday, the first couple of picks were about offense. For starters, the Packers addressed wide receiver, which would end up being a common theme Saturday. However, Green Bay also addressed the trenches on both sides of the ball, as well as special teams and edge rusher.
Of course, not everyone is going to agree with the draft strategy of GM Brian Gutekunst. But the new boss certainly grabbed some players with a chance to contribute next season. He also added others that will add competition to the 53-man roster.
Maybe the best pick on Day 3 for the Packers was fifth-round offensive tackle Cole Madison of Washington State. Madison will be moved to guard for the Packers and after excelling as a pass protector in Mike Leach's spread offense at Wazzu, he could have a shot at a starting job next season. Madison could also play tackle in a pinch and that versatility is what makes him so intriguing.
The offensive line was a big need, especially with the uncertainty surrounding Jahri Evans. Now, with Madison and some of the holdovers from last season, the urgency has subsided a bit, which is also the case at wide receiver, where the Packers were blunt and aggressive.
The run on pass catchers started for the Packers in the fourth round with J’Mon Moore, a 6-3, 207-pounder from Missouri. He’s raw and may need to contribute on special teams early but with Aaron Rodgers, his skills are worth developing.
That’s also the case with the other receivers the Packers nabbed on Day 3. Marquez Valdes-Scantling reminds me of Jeff Janies. He’s 6-4 206 pounds and runs a 4.37. The former track star may need to earn his place on special teams, but has a shot as a deep threat.
The third wideout taken by Green Bay, Equanimeous St. Brown is another selection that fans should be happy about. Despite already picking two receivers, the value was too good to pass up. NFL.com had him projected to go in the third or fourth round. And at 6-5, 214 pounds with a 40 time of 4.48, it was well worth a late-round gamble.
Beyond Madison and three wide receivers, the rest of the day was about special teams and defense. Green Bay used a fifth-round pick on a punter, drafting JK Scott of Alabama, in addition to picking long snapper Hunter Bradley of Mississippi State in the seventh.
Scott was given a draftable grade by just about everybody, so that was no shock. He should be an immediate upgrade and could help improve field position for the Packers next season. The pick of Bradley is simply an attempt to find a long-term answer at long snapper.
Some fans might object to using two picks on a punter and long snapper. However, after not trading any picks away, it was smart to use two on core special teams positions. If both of those guys make the 53-man roster next season, it will be hard to call those selections wasteful.
The biggest criticism one could levy at Green Bay was the failure to address the pass rush until the seventh round. There were a number of edge rushers on the board in the fourth round, but for whatever reason, the Packers didn’t pull the trigger until selecting Kendall Donnerson, an edge rusher from Southeast Missouri with their last pick at No. 248.
The final day of the draft is always kind of a crapshoot, but the Packers did a great job of finding value. Madison was listed as a top-100 player by Mike Mayock and Green Bay got him in the fifth round. St. Brown was also expected to go much earlier, which was another good value pick.
Despite picking 11 players, Green Bay may find a way to keep the majority of them. One or two wide receivers won’t make it. The two defenders in the seventh round will be challenged too, but overall, this draft class could add a lot of guys to the roster and could have a lot of players that find a way to contribute in one way or another next season.
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Chris is a sports journalist from Montana and has been blogging about the Packers since 2011. Chris has been a staff writer for CheeseheadTV since 2017 and looks forward to the day when Aaron Rodgers wins his second Super Bowl. Follow him @thepackersguru
Comments (112)
NitschkeFan
April 28, 2018 at 08:38 pm
As a fan during the long off-season this is all fun. But the truth is that players picked after ~100th pick rarely become significant NFL stars. Of course there are exceptions, but when you look back at where the vast majority of All Pro's were drafted, you not surprisingly find the first round being heavily represented, and then a steep drop as you work through the 2nd, 3rd 4th etc.
Those late round picks rarely even become multiple year NFL starters never mind stars. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we found the next Antonio Brown ( a 6th rounder) but more likely we have a bunch of Janis/Abberderis types.
I like both the CB's but I wish we had spent some of the valuable draft capital on offense. It's been top picks on defense draft after draft after draft.
NickPerry
April 29, 2018 at 05:04 am
Sitton, Lang, Bahkitiari, for Lindsey example have all been "Stars" in the NFL. Micah Hyde would have been a star under Pettine and now is in Buffalo. These are just a small sample and just a few Packers who'd qualify. All across the NFL there's "Stars" who maybe took a little longer to develop who were taken after pick 100.
Hell as much as I hate to EVER give a Viking credit, the Packers just drafted a CB in Round 1 who's tailor made to stop guys like Stephan Diggs. BTW... Diggs was a 5th rounder. Just a very few examples friend who have not only played well but have been "Stars".
Turophile
April 29, 2018 at 09:23 am
@NitschkeFan. The recent history of the first two rounds is this.
The Packers have picked a DB with seven of the last 10 high picks. This represents an over-investment over time at that position, compared to an under-investment at WR or OLB. I believe that to be true even when taking into account the way the league has become a passing one.
Michael Hughes
April 29, 2018 at 10:12 am
Agreed ...
Having said that at least by picking three receivers there is a chance one of them hits. It worked with a similar strategy last year.
The author who was puzzled we didnt take a pass rusher in the 4th obviously believes if you have aaron rodgers you dont need to bother investing anything else offensively.
To justify the draft strategy over the last few years, this needs to be a top 5 defence. Otherwise they have failed. You simply cant expect an offense with virtually no recent early picks to dominate.
NitschkeFan
April 29, 2018 at 09:56 am
As I pointed out Antonio Brown, there are exceptions but only a fool (or perhaps a Nick Perry) would argue that the 114th pick in the draft is as valued as the 14th pick in the draft.
No one in the NFL feels that way, and in fact on their "draft value charts" the equate 114 to being about one tenth as likely as becoming a star, i.e. one tenth the value. And as you can list exceptions to the rule (probably 50 or 60 of them), I could fill the entire blog with the 1,000 -1,200 players picked after 100 in the past 6 or 7 years that never became stars.
Thegreatreynoldo
April 29, 2018 at 05:01 pm
20 years ago I bought a brand new car. It was okay for a while but after the warranty expired (3 yr. 36K miles) the car just fell apart. Complete lemon. So I bought another car. That was in my mind an overinvestment in automobiles, but ya know, I had to get to work.
Yes, we have overinvested in CBs but the answer can't be to just suck at CB. Maybe if the GM can't pick a position for his life, buy a known quantity on the FA market, or keep on picking them, because you just have to have some.
NitschkeFan
April 29, 2018 at 05:21 pm
I love the analogy! People use "LOL" too often but in this case you had me laughing with 'ya know, I had to get to work' ! Well said.
Lphill
April 28, 2018 at 08:41 pm
This guy Tom Brady was picked in the 6 th round I think he is doing pretty good so far.
jeremyjjbrown
April 28, 2018 at 10:43 pm
If anything Tom Brady has exhausted the probability of a 4x Super Bowl MVP coming from the 6th round. It happening again would be happening 2x and in probability you multiply, so the chances are super small.
Something like:
( 1 / ( count of all 6th round picks ever ) ) ^ ( however many tom brady's you think there could be )
So if you think there is a chance of another Tom Brady in the 6th round. It's certainly less than 0.0001%
dblbogey
April 28, 2018 at 11:12 pm
0.0001%. You are saying the odds are greater than 1 in 1 million. With about 250 players taken per draft, that means over the next 4000 drafts you say there won't be a Hall of fame quarterback taken after the 5th round. Just a ridiculous statement pulled out of your rear. Get back to me in the year 6018 and we'll see if you are right.
pooch
April 28, 2018 at 10:58 pm
Donald Driver
4zone
April 29, 2018 at 01:05 am
Mark Tauscher
Flow49
April 29, 2018 at 08:09 am
Rivera and Timmerman 7th
bea78tles
April 29, 2018 at 12:36 am
NitschkeFan said that they rarely turn out. You cherry pick a guy who defied the odds. ..and stated the obvious. Yes, people know Brady has done great things and was picked in the late rounds.
You proved nothing. NitschkeFan was right; they don't often turn out well. Every now and then they do great. Bart Starr is a better example than Brady btw.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
April 28, 2018 at 08:45 pm
Most teams had already chosen the receivers they wanted, so they pretty much let receivers fall from there. Hence, Gute got real value by going BPA and taking a 2nd and 3rd receiver anyway, even when he didn't need them. He also went BPA in Round 2 when a second CB of 1st Round value dropped in his lap. Now that position is loaded to the gills, while passrusher and tight end are thin.
Problem with this approach is, this sets up another camp where we'll wind up releasing good players at overstocked positions, while having other areas still in bad shape. The roster is severely imbalanced.
That's the cost of BPA, and it's a high cost indeed. But I think it's worth it. Those extra two receivers were real steals.
dobber
April 28, 2018 at 08:57 pm
I'll be curious to see how the roster gets managed between now and camp. Whether BG signs a couple guys to shore up perceived holes.
Coldworld
April 28, 2018 at 09:57 pm
We may release some decent players, but this year I think it’s as much about weeding out the projects that aren’t approaching standard or have maxed out at low ceilings.
Tundraboy
April 28, 2018 at 10:32 pm
The way I look at it is, if these new guys and Clark are good and it meant we would have to release Davis, Geronimo, players like Goodson. So be it.
NickPerry
April 29, 2018 at 05:10 am
LOL...I still like me some Geronimo but I don't think I'd even notice Davis and Goodson gone. Forgive me guys but I've NEVER seen why everybody has this huge hope for Clark. Granted he's big and there's always a chance he turns into something, but the way he short-armed the pass in the corner of the endzone last year against Detroit I believe it was just reminds me what a huge project he is and how far away he still is. Clark NEEDS to turn some kind of corner this year.
Minniman
April 29, 2018 at 06:47 am
That's the thing, isn't it. There have been certain "project" players sitting on the roster for 1-2 seasons in the Secondary, WR and LB positions that have been given exceedingly generous amounts of time to develop.
Now its time for them to Producemdum Bona - produce the goods...... or your replacement is there waiting.
I do applaud the organization for that.
All this said, I find it intriguing that so many WR's with great measurables and solid tape fell into the later rounds. A first glance sees many OL's, DL's and Secondary selections early, which may have accounted for the sliders
Thegreatreynoldo
April 29, 2018 at 05:09 pm
prodere bona?
Andrew Lloyd Peth
April 29, 2018 at 11:36 am
I think people are intrigued by Clark because, though very raw, he made some impressive plays in camp last year and has a very high ceiling.
Will he take the next step? We won't know until camp, but the potential is there
Davis? Easily our best return man--I despise the notion of exposing this year's top pick to those duties--and it will be interesting to see him compete in a camp where he's not the only semi-viable receiver with any speed (I don't think Janis was viable).
Here's my big takeaway, NP: Expect this team to keep 6 receivers. Why? Because we're so incredibly deep there, and so incredibly thin at Tight End. Also, this draft was great news for all 3 RB's taken last year, along with one Vincent Biegel.
Archie
April 29, 2018 at 07:19 am
I understand and agree with what you are saying about the roster being out of balance. It will take more than one draft for Goot to fix the roster problem. Pass rush should be coming next year as well as offensive help on day 1/day 2. That is where the extra R1 pick next year will help. Overall I am giving Goot a solid A for his performance in his first draft. He showed confidence and creativity. His first 3 picks may have finally solved the coverage problem that has been haunting us for years under Thompson. His 3 WRs may work out similar to our 3 RBs last year. Picked up a P and LS. And an OL in R5 that could start right away. Including the ST'rs, he could have found 7 immediate starters. That is a high number. Thompson may not have 7 starters in the last 5 drafts combined.
4thand1
April 28, 2018 at 08:45 pm
There are over 16,000 college players eligable for the draft, 1.6 % make it on an NFL roster.
Johnblood27
April 28, 2018 at 08:51 pm
So you're saying there's a chance?
4thand1
April 28, 2018 at 09:57 pm
Not for me
Tundraboy
April 28, 2018 at 10:26 pm
Lol
Qoojo
April 28, 2018 at 09:04 pm
Looks like GB increased competition greatly.
WR should be interesting, but given how long it takes for a WR to produce in the GB offense, it's difficult to get too excited about them. Maybe next year one of them takes off.
The only disappointment is push rush doesn't look significantly improved unless Wilkerson turns it around.
DD
April 28, 2018 at 09:13 pm
I will go back to my original thoughts long before the draft. Our biggest need still is edge rush pressure roration. No team respected or feared our rush last year which visual viewing and stats proved correct. Great draft choices, but, no rush pressure. Improved with d backs, but even they'll get burned without adequate pressure. Hope I'm so wrong. We'll find out.
OnWisconsinGoPack
April 28, 2018 at 09:26 pm
Montravious Adams, Vince Biegel and Reggie Gilbert are rookies essentially and will fill the need this year. Pass rush is in good shape.
Personally, I wish we would have taken a chance on Maurice Hurst late or TE, that's my only complaint.
Coldworld
April 28, 2018 at 09:55 pm
It would not surprise me if our medical team had Hurst off our board. We are consistently super conservative in instances of conditions that have the potential to impact well beyond football. Otherwise I would have agreed.
Tundraboy
April 28, 2018 at 10:51 pm
"Montravious Adams, Vince Biegel and Reggie Gilbert are rookies essentially and will fill the need this year. Pass rush is in good shape."
I'm a lot more optimistic now, particularly with this group, under Pettine's aggressive keep it simple approach. Hell of a lot better than trying to learn and develop in Capers system. Add in Wilkerson and other additions and who knows. Can't wait to find out.
4zone
April 29, 2018 at 01:17 am
Also, all three have a year in the league, even if not playing all year, that is still a big advantage. The new D puts most everyone on the same page learning something new except maybe Williams.
mrtundra
April 29, 2018 at 06:50 am
VBiegel and MAdams, both being healthy now, could be an interesting show of it's own this season. Of all the players we drafted, lets hope the majority of them make it through OTAs, camp and preseason without getting injured. I hope the Punter they took in the 5th round works out. There were pass rushers and TEs available at that pick that Gute passed on to grab this new kid. To me that pick is the only question mark in this first draft of Gute's. Veteran players had better be ready to defend their jobs. Some position coaches, too! Notice has been served.
Bearmeat
April 29, 2018 at 11:29 am
I think Gute himself started to say "you can't fill every hole" and then stopped himself. Everyone knows that our front-line OLBs are mediocre when healthy, and constantly hurt. Then behind him are JAGs or worse.
Our QB pressure is going to have to come from the DL and blitzes. It's not going to be winning 1v1s against NFL OTs. We have to hope that we stay healthy on the front 7 and that the secondary can grow quickly. The question is, how much this will hurt the team?
Every team has a hole or two like that. There's too much parity in the league for that not to be the case.
Tundraboy
April 29, 2018 at 02:38 pm
Absolutely That's the other great thing everybody's starting at the same point so there should be a lot less confusion learning the new system collectively.
TC026
April 30, 2018 at 01:47 pm
Do we still have Frackwell?
sonomaca
April 28, 2018 at 09:38 pm
Remember when everyone was freaking out about left guard? The Pack brass knew Lane Taylor was the guy.
Me thinks they like Biegel and Gilbert, a lot. They could have moved up a mere 3 spots to get Landry, but passed. I think they like what they’ve got.
Tundraboy
April 28, 2018 at 11:18 pm
Me thinks you're right.
Bearmeat
April 29, 2018 at 11:49 am
They may like Biegel and Gilbert. But 13 years experience with the "draft and develop" process has left me not trusting the coaching and personnel departments when it comes to expecting young defensive players to "make a jump."
If it happens, great. I doubt it will. I am fully expecting the second most important part of a football team (pass rush) to be a significant weakness this year.
That doesn't mean the team can't compete. It can and will. But it's not the super bowl favorite for a reason. Despite having Zeus at QB.
Marcelo Mendes Lima
April 28, 2018 at 09:38 pm
May be I'm wrong, but most of fans are looking to GBP through the old lenses. Look at Pettine´s defense. They were allways very good. Now list me please the name of theirs outstand edge rushers... First of all I am almost convinced that we are going to 4-3 defense (dime in most of the time), but they will never admit it. Second the pressure now is going through the d-line. It will be Mo, Daniels, Clark and Perry. Third I bet that the most important position in this defense will be Perry. When he alignes at two stances, the defense are going to confuse every ofense. He will seems to be a 3-4 OLB, but he will be a standed up DE. Fourth; In this defense CM3 will play a SAM LB. so everything wiil be totally diferent. Everybody at GBP is talking about that everytime in the news, but we keep tryng to mold what they are saying in the old model and are specting diferent actions. Try to look this draft through this new lenses and you will see christal and clear and will make a lot of sense.
sonomaca
April 28, 2018 at 09:44 pm
Pettine likes to blitz, which you can do with good corners. Going to see Josh Jones and Burks, in particular, in the backfield. Even if they don’t get home, will give the corners opportunities for picks.
4thand1
April 28, 2018 at 10:02 pm
The most important defensive pick happened when the Pack picked Pettine.
dblbogey
April 28, 2018 at 11:18 pm
Or to put it another way, when MM FINALLY dumped Capers, 4 years too late, same as he did with Special teams coach Slocum. It's the biggest problem I have with MM, he seems oblivious to the obvious at times.
Tundraboy
April 30, 2018 at 09:34 pm
So true. Just look at how it improved our mental health. I don't think we could have survived another year of Capers.
kevgk
April 29, 2018 at 02:29 am
I wish I could upvote this a million times. People are still adamant that edge rush is the biggest need and that packers are still running the same capers system. Obviously the front office felt differently.
John Ramble Kirk
April 29, 2018 at 02:49 am
Nah. The FO office knows it needs pass rushers. It also was smart enough to know this draft just didn't have any. Brian alluded to the fact that the draft wasn't the only route to fix this. What a surprise...he didn't use it save for Donnerson, and now he might do something post draft to fix it.
hodge555
April 29, 2018 at 06:14 am
Apparently the 2019 draft is strong on DL/EDGE so hopefully our TWO first round picks next year will be put to good use. :-)
Archie
April 29, 2018 at 07:25 am
If he wanted pass rush, there was a guy named Edmunds we could have picked. Just sayin .... Instead, he tooks Burks later on. Now we get to watch Burks vs Edmunds. If that comes out close then Alexander and a first was a steal.
Bear
April 29, 2018 at 12:14 pm
Burks plus 2019 1st round pick vs Edmunds.
Bearmeat
April 29, 2018 at 11:50 am
And you make a great point. That is what we have to hope happens.
Lphill
April 28, 2018 at 09:49 pm
I think the pass rush is going to be from up the middle and the outside blitz from a new fast DB , rush Clay up the middle behind Wilkerson and I think that's where the pressure is coming from , we have a very solid interior D line and now some cover corners , we are in better shape than last year.
4zone
April 29, 2018 at 01:13 am
If you can collapse the pocket from the middle, then you can't double the OLBs and that will only make Clay n Perry that more effective.
4thand1
April 29, 2018 at 07:39 am
budda book budda boom, this guy gets it.
Johnblood27
April 29, 2018 at 11:43 am
Fuh-git about it!
TC026
April 30, 2018 at 01:54 pm
I think Matthews and Perry are going to have a monster year.
And their not going to get hurt either.
SB or Bust.
Load up on DE’s and TE’s next year.
It’s a 2 year process.
In Grude we trust.
Coldworld
April 28, 2018 at 09:50 pm
If I had been told this is what we would end up with plus 2 first round picks next year, I would have willingly taken it.
I did not think we could fix our CB issues and revitalize our aerial offense. I think this draft strengthens both. While neither positions typically do much in year one, I think we will benefit from having King Williams and House to ease them in. For the wide receivers, we really initially only need a simple route tree from the rookies. With three plus Yancey, perhaps we get more from one.
While pass rush is the one area we didn’t do what I was hoping for, we did at least draft a beast with our last pick. If we can get anything from him even in limited situations our team is better. Plus we have our last year’s ILB pick back and healthy to show what he can do.
From the udfa class, of those I have tracked down the cb Seisay looks like he may compete and Porter has me really intrigued at ILB with a 4.65 40.
4zone
April 29, 2018 at 01:12 am
Wont be able to keep these WRs around long enough to develop them. If they can't make the final 53, someone else will grab them for their PS after final cut downs.
lucky953
April 29, 2018 at 01:45 am
They aint done nuthin yet. They dont all make it to the NFL. Ill be happy if one turns into a solid contributor
John Galt
April 29, 2018 at 07:08 am
Maybe, but there are 31 other teams dumping WR's as well You start with 90 and end up with 53. That is 31 other teams times 37 or 1147 players being dumped and all at once due to the new rules and maybe 7 to 9% are WR. It will be a mad house.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000810525/article/nfl-owners-elimin...
dobber
April 30, 2018 at 02:17 pm
If they can't make the 53, then I'm not too worried about them getting snagged by other teams. Keep the ones you like, let the others go, and hope for the best.
EddieLeeIvory
April 28, 2018 at 10:20 pm
I just want our defense to be well known, by the end of the season, for both: crushing opposing QBs early, often, and hard. And leading the NFL in 3 & out percentage, points allowed, and pick-6's.
That's all.
Starting with Mitch week 1 & Captain Kirk week 2. Let's see how they do with their backups forced in early.... and no flags thrown on our crushers.
ScaryGary
April 28, 2018 at 11:53 pm
anybody else think mayock killed it this year?
4thand10
April 28, 2018 at 11:56 pm
I have no doubts the D is going to be improved,maybe even in the top 10. But there are nagging questions I have 1) was this a weak draft for WR? And #2, why didn't they take one earlier? Was there not a lot of talent differences in the top 10 or 20 WRs this year. Seem like with Nelson gone, there's a Major hole there. Did the feel any of these could step in?
4zone
April 29, 2018 at 01:09 am
WRs - Adams, G-Mo, Cobb, Clark, Davis, Yancey, St. Brown, J'Mon and Valdez-S . . . Not thinking we keep 9 wides this year.
mrtundra
April 29, 2018 at 06:54 am
Davis could be the odd man out due to new plans for Kick Offs.
Johnblood27
April 29, 2018 at 11:47 am
Alexander returns punts and Cobb is a sure habded option as well.
Bye Bye Una-Bomber jokester.
Andrew Lloyd Peth
April 29, 2018 at 11:53 am
We'll keep 6, since we're so razor thin at TE. Also, it's interesting to note Cobb costs over $10 million to keep, and the team asked him to take a pay cut and he refused...
John Ramble Kirk
April 29, 2018 at 12:03 pm
If RC18 is released he will net us 9.5 million in cap savings due to his 3.25 million in dead cap hit. I'm not sure they want to swallow the 3.25 million not to have him after jettisoning Jordy.
Personally, I'd love to see him moved on from along with Bulaga to take that money and pay a guy like OBJ. You throw OBJ with Adams as your 2 and trot out this next level size we have and even you have to be thinking SB in 2018. :)
Cobb showed out last time it was a contract year and got a big contract. Don't dismiss him doing the same thing this season. I have no doubt Randall is Rodgers favorite on this team now that Jordy is gone. He's going to do all he can to help Randall have a big year.
CJBauckham
April 29, 2018 at 01:01 pm
To your point about Brian putting an emphasis on how guys fit in the locker room... It may be a contradiction to chase OBJ (though his talent makes it easier to look past)
Oppy
April 29, 2018 at 03:32 pm
He may help Randall Cobb have a big year, but he's clearly no where near his favorite target on the field. That's Davante Adams. You could make a feature film of Randall running open over the middle with his hand up while Rodgers just held the ball and looked for Jordy or Davante.
John Ramble Kirk
April 29, 2018 at 04:08 pm
I disagree, Oppy...
The target totals from the games Rodgers started until he got injured are as follows:
Adams= 23
Cobb= 31
If you add the Carolina game Adams got injured in... It would be...
45 for Cobb
30 for Adams
I do realize Adams got hurt in 3rd vs. Chicago.
Oppy
April 30, 2018 at 10:53 am
Per Pro Football Focus, through week 6 in 2017:
Davante Adams, 49 Targets
Randall Cobb, 38 Targets
If you add in week 15 (Rodgers' return to action game), Cobb got 6 targets bumping his total to 44. Adams didn't play. Still, more targets for Adams even with the missing targets.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CobbRa00/gamelog/2017/
Keep in mind, since my original statement is that Cobb (among others) are often overlooked on underneath routes and Rodgers has been forcing balls to Jordy to Davante, the Targets stat doesn't tell the story of how many times Cobb is open and -wasn't- targeted, and the stats from PFF don't back up the number of targets you are providing. I don't know why the two sources are seemingly so different since I don't know your source.
Oppy
April 30, 2018 at 10:57 am
Edit: "Even with the missing targets" should read, "Even with the missed game". Won't let me edit because of the link. Sorry.
croatpackfan
April 29, 2018 at 02:47 am
Regarding erly vs late round picks and pro bowl. Can you please list for me pro bowl players Packers had and have and rounds those players were picked?
Thank you!
4thand1
April 29, 2018 at 07:43 am
Pro bowl by fans or players and coaches?
croatpackfan
April 29, 2018 at 10:12 am
C'mon, it is a fair question. You can give me data for All pro players if you wish.
I found amusing that fans always expect 1st rounders to be Pro bowl/All pro...
When you compare round by round I agree that 1st rounder prevail, but when you compare 1st rounder to rest of the draft picture is changing...
Especially it is interesting when we are talking about Packers...
John Ramble Kirk
April 29, 2018 at 12:06 pm
Here's Hall of Famer's by round, Croat... you'll notice a strong pattern here...
http://www.profootballhof.com/heroes-of-the-game/hall-of-famers-by-draft...
cheddarhead
April 29, 2018 at 08:42 am
He needs more bomb threats on the field and not in Airports. Lol
Thegreatreynoldo
April 29, 2018 at 03:53 am
This is one of the kindest articles I've found towards Cole Madison. Some of the scouting reports are not very kind, but I eventually found some more in line with the author's take. I watch tape for just one game (against Cal). He looks like a guy that needs a year in the weight room because he lacks anchor (yeah, I see that he had 26 reps on the bench) and he wasn't playing against Alabama.
NickPerry
April 29, 2018 at 05:21 am
I was almost certain they's take Crosby who was projected to go around the 2nd round (Maylock's 52nd player) when they took Madison. The biggest reason I can think of is Madison is a better pass protector at this point than Crosby.
I would have loved Crosby simply because it would have been fun to watch Aaron Jones hide behind him as he paved the way and pancaked players 5 yards past the LOS. Hopefully he turns into a Lang or Sitton.
Minniman
April 29, 2018 at 07:20 am
He seems very raw doesn't he.
If this fellow sees meaningful snaps this year when the game is on the line, then something dreadful has happened to the o-lineman ahead of him in the depth chart.
TGR, I don't see his bench results as even mediocre for that position group. Granted, NFL isn't a bench press competition, but he'll want to take his weightroom sessions a lot more seriously if he wants to compete in the NFL on the o-line.
I do hope that I eat my words though, but I doubt it.
stockholder
April 29, 2018 at 10:08 am
He won't go anywhere but to the practice squad. Spriggs and Murphy are in play first. People - This was the worst draft in years for Offensive lineman. (Depth, And Zone Blocking! ) #2 look at where your pass rushers went! I want Landry,Davenport, Key, sweat, Carter, etc. The players that went first could COVER! Understand? Cover! You would have screwed up the packers draft Needs, taking Pass Rusher! You collapse the pocket first! Take the extra pick next year and get the best player. This was the perfect solution for the packers. The first player should be a Blue chip player. NO DOUBT! This was a poor draft. Next years will be better. Gute got the Needs for the future. Hell , I would have taken 5 WRs and No OLs. Why ? You saw how much these guys get hurt. They even play hurt. The deeper the Wrs the better. Now= Cobb will leave. Allison can go smoke pot. Davis can go make bombs. Clarke isn't a WR. Adams will be doubled up. And none have the speed or hands to get downfield. It just got help.
croatpackfan
April 29, 2018 at 10:16 am
Who cares what you want. If you want to have influence on draft decisions, start as scout and build your position through hard work and expertise, not spitting on the people who are doing their jobs because they did not follow your wishes...
I also had some doubts with the way draft had done, but I would like to see results first.
stockholder
April 29, 2018 at 10:46 am
Who Cares what I want? You took that wrong. It's what others wanted! I never want Davenport , landry etc. The only guy I wanted was Carter, who they couldn't get, because they drafted the obvious. But Carter is in NY. In two years he'll be at the top in league sacks. And be All-pro. I don't spit. Just saying.
Johnblood27
April 29, 2018 at 11:52 am
I also wanted Carter. I thought with the 3rd round pick which we traded away. BTW Carter went 66th, so we would have had to use our #45 or spend a lot of capital to move up.
I actually cannot complain about having Jackson instead of Carter.
There are 31 other teams too.
stockholder
April 29, 2018 at 05:56 pm
J. Jackson was the better rated pick. No one thought he'd be there. I loved his Tape. Can't complain either. Good pick.
fthisJack
April 29, 2018 at 08:13 am
i know we have to keep Rodgers upright but i would like to see more road grader OL men now that we have some decent RB. this Madison needs a ton of seasoning and strength. at least he was durable though.
Johnblood27
April 29, 2018 at 11:55 am
I am a WSU alum and watched as much Cougar football as I could.
Cole Madison is a very good pass protector, really good feet for a big man.
He has 2x the pass protection experience as other NCAA OL simply because of scheme by Leach.
Cole will be a great addition after a year in the weight room and with Campen. He will fit in the room too, he is a no non-sense tough guy. No Eddie Lacy video games and cartoons from this guy.
This was a good selection.
stockholder
April 29, 2018 at 06:03 pm
Ok let me tell you my concerns. Strength as you mentioned. A Guard must get out in front, Pull,etc. I didn't think he had the speed for RG. As far as Tackle. After Barclay there. Maybe?
cheddarhead
April 29, 2018 at 08:36 am
Could be an interesting training camp indeed.
Can't wait.
Bure9620
April 29, 2018 at 10:24 am
We have an idea as to whom will not make the 53 as well, gone will be;
Trevor Davis
Kyler Fackrell (yes Gilbert is much much better)
Odom
Justin Vogel (they won't cut a 5th round punter)
Brett Hundley (duh)
Unless these guys improve immensely, there is no way they make the 53
Players in Jeopardy that need a strong camp are;
Geronimo Allison
D'Angelo Yancey
Quentin Rollins (more likely gone)
Lenzy Pipkins
Herbie Waters
Spriggs (he will have to have shown improvement in 3rd year or BG moves on)
Kyle Murphy
Jake Ryan- yes Jake Ryan, He is routinely torched in coverage, his snap counts were already dwindling. They are clearly looking for hybrid players to cover the middle of the field. Will they keep a spot on the 53 for an ILB that only plays downhill?
Did I miss anyone?
Bure9620
April 29, 2018 at 10:24 am
Why dislike? Where am I wrong?
Johnblood27
April 29, 2018 at 11:57 am
Good post.
Dont even look at that stoopid like/dislike thing, it means absolutely nothing.
I get crapped on for a "good morning" post! LOL!
Haters gonna hate.
sonomaca
April 29, 2018 at 12:13 pm
Ryan will be on the team. Burks not ready. Joe Thomas gone.
Murphy is a no doubter.
Pipkins will be on team if they feel he won’t make it to PS.
Rollins will make it, at safety, where they aren’t deep.
Hundley gone.
Fackrell makes it. Need depth.
Yancey, Allison gone.
Vogel gone.
Davis makes it as punt returner.
Spriggs makes it. He’s got value as a backup, at a minimum.
Clark to PS.
Bure9620
April 29, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Keep in mind ONLY 53 make it, if davis makes it how many WRs?? We drafted 3, has he shown any development?? He's not a very good ST player either. I am not even convinced Fackrell can beat out Donnerson, he was just a total miss at this point and its time to admit the mistake and move on with Gilbert and Donnerson or even Odom. Not convinced with Rollins at safety, they have Marwin Evans and Brice. Jake Ryan is a JAG at this point. I like BG thus far, however I expected he would be more ruthless on the bottom of the roster in turning over those TT picks that made no sense. They may be camp bodies, we'll see.
dobber
April 29, 2018 at 05:10 pm
Unless the Packers add OL help, they're going to get two starters out of Murphy/Spriggs/McCray/Lucas, and then need backup help to fill their roles in 2017. Until they sign someone, I think all 4 of those guys might be safe.
I get it. Nobody likes Fackrell. But I'll say this: he's not a physical edge player and was miscast in that role. It's my hope that someone like Pettine can find ways to use him effectively. If not? Well, then either he makes it as a core ST player or they move on.
When rosters swell to 90, there's not a tremendous amount of impetus to purge the bottom of the roster immediately. That doesn't mean all those guys make it to the 53.
stockholder
April 29, 2018 at 06:09 pm
Frackwell makes this team!
Bure9620
April 29, 2018 at 07:52 pm
Dobber, its not that nobody likes Fackrell, it's just that he can't play after having been given opportunity after opportunity. He was like 24-25 coming out also so the guy kind of is what he is now pushing 30. What is frustrating is Reggie Gilbert was stashed on the PS given zero opportunity untill week 16. He was the one player who looked good the last 2 weeks!!!!! Consistently disrupting and creating havoc in the backfield against Detroit and Minnesota's starters, not preseason. If Fackrell is ahead of Gilbert in any way thats just injustice.
Tundraboy
April 29, 2018 at 02:51 pm
Goodson
Minniman
April 29, 2018 at 03:33 pm
I think that your summary is supported by the draft - and the fact that the Packers organization have categorically stated that they aren't going to play the same offensively AND defensively this year.
I'm really intrigued as to what Mike Pettine is going to do re EDGE - further evidence that things are going to be different.
Ustabeayooper
April 29, 2018 at 10:10 am
This draft was thin on OL and edge rushers. Consequently, RB got pushed up in the draft. Our GM took players that in other years would have much higher. You can't draft what ain't there. Who knows which of these WR are going to step up, but at least a couple will. I was happy to see the team focus on under appreciated special team players to provide options and competition for LS and K . These players are seldom appreciated until they screw up. With 8 picks on the last day it was a wise investment.
croatpackfan
April 29, 2018 at 10:25 am
I believe, if JK Scott beat Vogel during TC, I think Packers will trade Vogel, not release him. And I believe they can get some compensatry 4/5 round pick for him...
Also, it is posible that Packers will keep 3 QB on the roster, but if some team show interest in Brett Hundley, I also see trade, for same compensatory pick at rounds as for Vogel...
I think 3 position will have hardest battle in TC: OL, WR and CB... And I think Herb Waters will stay with Packers, as Joe Whitt complimet him several times as new Tramon Williams...
Bure9620
April 29, 2018 at 10:35 am
Compensatory picks are awarded for free agents leaving in net loss of a 53 man roster, I believe Vogel is on a rookie contract, he would just not make the team and he would go through waivers just like anyone else...
No one is trading for Hundley unless a team loses every backup in camp and needs an emergency back up, and even then, they would likely look for a veteran street FA that doesn't need many reps....
croatpackfan
April 29, 2018 at 04:06 pm
I said they will TRADE Vogel for compensatory picks, not receive those...
MarkinMadison
April 29, 2018 at 11:28 am
I doubt that you can trade a punter. I mean technically you CAN, but I don't think any team would give you anything for him. They know you are not going to carry two punters on the roster.
Johnblood27
April 29, 2018 at 12:01 pm
I believe Croat meant that we could trade for a teams comp pick, not that we would receive a comp pick by cutting vogel.
We could trade vogel or pk IF, and only IF, the team that wants him realizes thet they wouldnt get the waiver claim due to their good w-l record and low claim position.
Rossonero
April 29, 2018 at 11:47 am
Cole Madison follows the same mold as past Packers' drafts: the Packers have always preferred to take tackles and then kick them inside to Guard.
People forget that TJ Lang played left tackle for 2 years at Eastern Michigan and also had experience at right tackle. Josh Sitton also was a tackle at UCF.
I'm hopeful that a year in the weight room and under the tutelage of James Campen, as well as veterans on the O-line will do him a world of good.
Duneslick
April 29, 2018 at 02:47 pm
After you analyze this years draft add some points for having New Orleans first rd pick next year. IF Brees gets hurt or has a bad years (pretty old and small) it could be a top 10 pick
Duneslick
April 29, 2018 at 02:49 pm
Could be OT,WR,Edge next year
carlos
April 29, 2018 at 09:05 pm
Love the character of the players drafted. St Brown reminds me of James Lofton.
Tundraboy
April 30, 2018 at 09:40 pm
Now that's a dream.