NFLPA Makes Case While NFL Stalls

This article from the AP has gotten a fair bit of play from people who care about the future of the game.

As representatives from the Players Association and the NFL continued their preliminary attempts to hammer out a new Collective Bargaining Agreement yesterday, Demaurice Smith, the NFLPA's newly elected Executive Director, was interviewed by the Associated Press regarding his visit to Capitol Hill today where he and some 20 or so current and retired players will make the case that the storm on the horizon, ie a lockout by the league, will affect not only the multitudes of players who, let's face it, don't have to worry, but more importantly, the poor slobs who sell beer and programs at the stadiums...and who vote.

It's a smart argument, though essentially meaningless. A good part of Congress will be up for re-election in 2010 and those who aren't are most likely up in 2012. With 2011 being the pivotal year for the NFL, most of the voting public, and its 24-hour-news-cycle-addled-brain, won't be paying much attention to the politics of the situation in the NFL until it's too late and they are left without football on Sundays.

In the AP piece, Smith (who is identified as a 'union head' by the AP. Who is he, Andy Stern?) comes off as smart, if not a bit full of himself, which is about par for the course when it comes to Washington lawyers, which is exactly what Smith is.

The same can not be said of NFL Vice President Joe Browne who provides us with this classic:

We're hopeful that matters can be resolved...It's a little premature to talk about putting stadium workers out of work in 2011.

Premature? Possibly. Shrewd? You bet.

Look, everyone knows these things always, and I mean ALWAYS, end up coming down to the wire. The very CBA the league broke away from that is causing all this was agreed upon after a 'deadline' was moved three times. It's absurd.

I just don't think the league does itself any favors with a quote like the one above. Not only does it sound like the NFL could give two shits about the people who work at the stadium (which, of course, is true) but it cedes yet another point to the NFLPA in the minds of the public, the first one being the leagues refusal to open its books so that the union might get a serious accounting of the teams' so-called difficulties.

Of course, the teams are already firing people left and right, supposedly because of the economy and the need to make ends meet, all while the Redskins (at least 20 people fired) are giving Albert Haynesworth a $100 million contract, and the Panthers (another 20 people fired) reward Jordan Gross with a multi-year deal worth about $30 million guaranteed over the first three years. (Not to mention the nearly $17 million they have on the books in 2009 for Julius Peppers)

Now, tell me how much the average 'non-football staff member' makes. Because I can't imagine the I.T. guy or the cheerleader (yes, the Redskins fired a cheerleader in the name of the economic downturn) are making much. The Packers shed $6.1 million dollars of operating costs without firing one person. I have a hard time imagining that those 20 employees were collectively pulling in anywhere near $6.1 million. No, somethings rotten in the state of Denmark and the NFL wants to tell us it's 'premature' to talk about people losing their jobs.

Newsflash for the NFL - it's not 'premature'. It's happening.

 

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Donald's Designated Driver's picture

July 15, 2009 at 07:07 am

Boy am I sink of of Florio's oft-parotted "how can you pay Haynesworth but lay administrative personnel off" argument. I can't say this anymore clearly: football is a product and football players are most-critical inputs.
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It's like bitching that Frito Lay is laying off workers but "still has enough money to buy potatos." No shit. You need potatoes to make to make potato chips and you need players to field a football team. Are you suggesting that Frito Lay shouldn't lay off any workers until it is too damn broke to buy potatos?
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Good economy or bad economy, its not an employer's job to give folks jobs in perpetuity if it makes sense for the employer to do without. There is a reason why employers pay unemployment insurance for their workers.

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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 07:40 am

"...if it makes sense for the employer to do without." - This is the crux of the issue for me. Does it? How do you know? We should just take the league's word on this?
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I understand what you're saying DDD, but implying, as you do in your Frito Lay analogy, that the teams are going to go broke paying front office personnel is an amazing insult to thinking people everywhere. You're right - the league that made $8 billion last year is going to go broke if it keeps paying the I.T. guy.
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Our disconnect on this is easy to see. In this argument, you are General Zod in Superman II and I am Superman. While you could give a shit, I actually care about people. Sue me.

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DaveK's picture

July 15, 2009 at 07:50 am

That is a HUGE pie they are trying to split and they will figure it out and yes it will come down to the wire. Right now and for the past year it is all about getting yourself into the strongest possible bargaining position.----

Great post and analogy DDD. I get so tired of people bitching about what is 'fair' in regard to other’s business decisions. It seems the more successful it is the more people complain about it. The goal is to turn a profit and help the football operation become more successful. It's not to continue to employ 10 people in the pro-shop who have nothing to do because the economy has caused the orders to stop coming. And, I am pretty sure that DDD gives a shit about people regardless of him not wanting to micro-mange someone elses business model.

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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 07:58 am

DaveK - you're missing my point. It's not about 'messing with someone's business model' - it's about finding the truth. I get it - business is business, the numbers are the numbers. But those numbers are people's lives. Again, I care. Sue me. And I love how neither you or DDD have touched on the point about the Packers shaving costs without so much as firing one person...

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Aaron Rogders's picture

July 15, 2009 at 08:41 am

Hey Aaron, Do you think this was a topic at the Packer's budget meeting?: "How about we stop buying bud light for every meeting" lol

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DaveK's picture

July 15, 2009 at 08:47 am

OK, search for the truth but it just seems to me that your mind is made up and you are simply looking for things to boost your underlying assumption that big business (and DDD) are evil greedy bastards and ignoring things that actually may justify the layoffs. ------And when you say things like the NFL makes so much money they should pay be able to “pay the I.T. guy” it sure sounds like you want to meddle with business decisions.

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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 09:05 am

DaveK - My mind is far from made up. But come on. The NFL and it's teams are one of the few business' that are pulling in profits despite the economic situation and they're acting like a local chain store. The savings they are getting from firing these people is so negligible, it's laughable. It makes no sense.
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Yes, firing the I.T. guy is fine. I'm interested in why he was fired along with 19 other people for reasons that seemingly make no sense.

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Pack Fan In Enemy Territory's picture

July 15, 2009 at 09:50 am

" I actually care about people."

What lengths have you gone to help those people since you " care " so much? Not trying to be a jerk here, but I'm calling BS on that one.

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DaveK's picture

July 15, 2009 at 09:53 am

Aaron - well I'm glad you are now OK with firing the I.T. guy as long as you get a full explanation for it. You say the "economy" excuse is laughable and doesn't make any sense but you seem very unwilling to dig into any possible explanation as to why the economy may actually cause layoffs at a NFL team. You instead skip right to your underlying assumptions about big business. I am guessing that the average NFL team has a very diverse set of profit streams and business units and the economy may affect some of those units differently then others. If one unit is no longer making money or has started bleeding money then it would make sense to scale down or scuttle that unit regardless of the overall profitability of the organization or regardless of how much you paid Albert Hanesworth. Is that not a plausible explanation for some of the layoffs? I’m not saying that is the truth but it seems a fairly plausible explanation that you won’t even consider because it doesn’t fit your worldview that big business makes decisions because of greed and because they (and DDD) do not care about people.

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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 10:00 am

Pack Fan - you're not being a jerk at all. It's a legit question. Do I care as much about them as I do my family? Of course not. But I care enough to try and bring awareness to what's going on by choosing to write about it. It's the least I can do while sitting here, gainfully employed.

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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 10:07 am

DaveK - I find it hard to believe the cheerleaders were "bleeding money", but what do I know...

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DaveK's picture

July 15, 2009 at 10:14 am

Aaron - I don't know much either but I know most poeple trust their underlying assumptions more then their eyes.

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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 10:26 am

My eyes would love to see the actual numbers rather than blindly trust what some billionaires are telling me.

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chazman's picture

July 15, 2009 at 10:43 am

I agree that it's a shrewd move on the part of the NFLPA because in today's day and age, good P.R. matters more than reality. It might also be the case that the only reason some owners are firing people is so they can say how tough it is on the teams in these troubled economic times.

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Jayme's picture

July 15, 2009 at 10:49 am

Aaron, it's about return on investment. At my job, we have to justify our position within the company by pointing out that if our position was cut, the company would lose x amount of dollars. This is done through a report generated every month dealing with gains from the modeling that we do. I'm sure that they do something similar in the NFL.
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If it was determined that the incremental benefit of having one extra cheerleader was next to nothing, and her salary could be spent in other places that bring in a higher rate of return, of course the company is going get rid of her. Obviously companies don't like to do this often because of the negative effects on employee morale, but when the budget is tight, it is bound to happen. Corporations are not moral entities, they are profit earning entities.
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As for paying Haynesworth as much as they did, I can assure you that the only reason that they did it is because the expected gain from having him is greater than the salary that they paid him. Just by paying him such a large amount, they generated a huge amount of publicity that would likely have cost the marketing department hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars. Also, there is the sale of jerseys that come directly from having Haynesworth. The biggest benefit, however, would be that he is likely to be expected to help them win games. Evidence exists that suggest that people buy more beer, food, and souvenirs when the team wins an individual game, and if the team wins many games, the bandwagon fans arrive that help sell more apparel and tickets.
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Whether or not these expectations are realistic, especially in a division as competitive as the NFC East, is another story.

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Keith's picture

July 15, 2009 at 11:19 am

Here's the thing, those of you who are criticizing Aaron are making purely theoretical arguments based on business and economic models. But let's be honest here, firing these people likely isn't pushing NFL teams out of the red and into the black. Unless they open up their books and show otherwise, I find it very hard to believe that NFL teams were losing money and had to fire administrative personnel. While I do believe a company's main goal should be to "turn a profit" there is a point where the company can become too greedy. Essentially, how much profit is enough profit?

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I forget the story/quote now, but in my Corporations class last year my professor relayed an anecdote about how Henry Ford refused to raise the prices on his cars, even though the market would probably bear it, because he believed all Americans should be able to comfortably afford a car. Now, this was probably a shrewd business maneuver anyway since he was also probably trying to get a stranglehold on the car market, but from the little I have read it seems there is a dramatic difference in mentality between businessman and companies during Ford's time and today.

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Now, I understand times have changed and it would be foolish to operate businesses the same way that Ford and his colleagues did. However, I do think it is undeniable that we have witnessed quite a few scandals done in the name of "turning a profit" or "maximizing shareholder value."

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Donald's Designated Driver's picture

July 15, 2009 at 11:32 am

We are not talking about "firing the IT guy." We are talking about firing 2 out of the 30 IT guys. Do Evil Billionaires actually need 30 IT guys or can they get by with only 28? Who is in the best position to answer this question?
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Bloggers of course.
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But you guys shouldn't worry, if the Evil Billionaires fired the IT guys even though they really do need 30 instead of 28, they will certainly pay for it down the line. So don't sweat it: they will get their comeupance far greater than anything a silly blogger can deliver.
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Now as to why the Packers haven't fired anyone: has it ever occurred to you that maybe the Packers only had 28 rather than 30 IT guys to begin with?
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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 11:36 am

DDD - have I told you lately that I love you? Brilliant.

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DaveK's picture

July 15, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Keith - I think we are giving possible explanations for the layoffs because Aaron doesn't seem to even consider them in his post(s) on the subject. I just think there are some alternative explanations here that someone would consider if they were just seeking the truth.

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Keith's picture

July 15, 2009 at 12:39 pm

Dave, I get where you're coming from and actually agree with you. I just feel like both sides of the argument are too black and white.

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I agree with you and DDD that a business should "trim the fat" if it means turning a profit. However, even if a company only needs 28 IT guys rather than 30, should they necessarily fire 2 IT guys when they are already making a nice profit just to make more money?

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PackerAaron's picture

July 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm

Dave - you're also focusing on two paragraphs of a seven paragraph post. There were other things under consideration.
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I guess I'm flummoxed that you're so bewildered at the fact that I would give voice to my suspicions on...gasp!...my blog. Are there perfectly legit possibilities as explanation? Of course. The league could make this whole thing moot by opening their books and showing us that is, indeed, the case. Goodell has stated unequivocally that that will never happen. I'm not allowed to ask why?

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DaveK's picture

July 15, 2009 at 01:38 pm

Aaron - I think myself and a few readers are just pointing out other possible explanations for the layoffs other then what you have presented in the last 2-3 paragraghs of your post. I don't think that means I want to stop you from giving voice to your suspicions on your blog. I went a step further and speculated why you don't look into the other possible explanations and I think maybe that was a bit unfair.

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WoodyG's picture

July 16, 2009 at 02:16 am

All busineses cut out the fat during economic downturns. That's the standard reaction by big business.
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At the same time, which NFL team will decide to play the 2009 season with a 50 man roster instead of a 53 man roster to also trim the fat? You know they could do it & it would have zero effect on their W-L record. However, it won't happen.

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bucky's picture

July 16, 2009 at 05:55 am

Actually, the company I work for has been adding people during the current recession. Perhaps not as many as we otherwise might have, but we're still larger than we were a year ago.

I dunno whether the finances of these entitities is such that justifies letting go 2 of the 30 IT guys. I do know that many of these entities are beneficiaries of significant public subsidies in the form of the stadiums they play in and the terms under which they get to use those stadiums. I think transparency is the appropriate approach, and the league's reluctance in this area certainly raises suspicions.

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