NFL Players Are Unknown Off-Field
By jasonperone
This week's news about former Green Bay Packers running back Ahman Green's arrest for domestic violence caused a lot of reaction among fans. I watched Green become the team's all-time leading rusher from 2000 - 2006 and a bit in 2009. I even had the opportunity to interview him a few years ago. The news was disappointing, to say the least.
It was another reminder that as much as these players do and have done on the field to bring us joy and entertainment, we don't know them as people. We support them, buy their jerseys to wear and put them on a pedestal for doing what most of us can't. And that they help our favorite team leads to adoration of the player, in many cases. But we do all of that for the player, not necessarily the man. Our loyalty, largely, is to the team over the name on the back of the jersey.
And that loyalty has led to some fans abandoning their support for players who have proven to be something that some of us no longer want to be associated with. Social media is full of debates over whether a player's actions off the field should affect his standing within the football community or any accolades he may have coming otherwise.
For many years, the concept of "Packer people" was thrown around. It's the idea that the team has forged a reputation for staying away from players who tend to bring trouble to the locker room and off the field. It was also given as a reason why the Packers haven't dipped into veteran free agency as much during general manager Ted Thompson's time in Green Bay.
But over the past few seasons, we've seen numerous examples of behavior that's less than exemplary from Packers players.
Letroy Guion was just arrested for driving under the influence in Hawaii. That case is still pending but Guion has also been charged with intent to sell drugs and been accused of threatening the mother of his children. If you subscribe to the "where there's smoke, there's fire" theory and look at the fact that Guion has made the news for the wrong reasons three years running, you're probably not encouraged about him contributing much to the defense this season.
Back in April, the Packers released cornerback Makinton Dorleant due to a failed physical but there was also the matter of his being arrested in March. Dorleant was with Chicago Bears cornerback Deiondre Hall when Hall was cited for public intoxication and interference Dorleant was cited for interference as well. Debate all you want about whether it was the injury or the arrest, but last season the Packers used their one and only chance to bring a player off of injured reserve on Dorleant. That tells me they thought highly of him but decided to move on.
These examples aren't meant purely to slam on these guys for their mistakes. I'm not trying to pass judgment and say that they're bad guys. My bigger point is that these things all remind us that NFL players are human beings and they run into some of the same issues that anyone else can. Through history, there are so many examples of players getting arrested or doing something that reveals some of their character.
The hope is that other players' mistakes would help current incidents from happening. But without fail, we hear about incident after incident, time after time.
Is it that many athletes are so used to living a different lifestyle and having additional privilege thrown their way that they actually believe they can get away with things that others can't? I'm sure that's true in some cases. That gets into the psychology of an athlete and the social side of things and that's an entire topic of its own.
Outside of Green Bay, there have been many prominent issues and players on the bad side of the news.
Giants kicker Josh Brown was released by the New York Giants after several instances of domestic abuse. We all know about the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson situations by now. Rice never played in the NFL again after his. Peterson is now a New Orleans Saint after forging a decade-long Hall of Fame-worthy career as a Minnesota Viking.
Back in November, former Packers safety Darren Sharper was sentenced to 20 years in prison for drugging and raping multiple women over the span of several years and in multiple states. When the charges were first announced a few years prior, it sent shock waves through the NFL and among Green Bay fans.
A few years ago, former Packers Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre was charged with sexual harassment after he sent inappropriate messages to several women employed by the New York Jets. Right after his retirement in 2016, Peyton Manning was accused of sexual assault for actions that took place while he was at the University of Tennessee 20 years prior.
Two players who were arguably among the most respected and beloved in the league's history and in an instant, their reputations are changed to many.
This isn't just a recent issue or debate. Ray Lewis faced murder charges over 20 years ago and ultimately ended up pleading guilty to and being charged with obstruction of justice. Two men died and Lewis was there when it happened yet he returned to playing pro football and was one of the faces of the league. He and his teams hoisted two Super Bowl trophies and he went out a champion in his last season in 2012. He even landed a broadcasting career and may likely end up in the Hall of Fame on his first ballot opportunity in 2018.
Many fans still supported Lewis, saying he faced the law and got his punishment. Others wrote him off entirely and viewed him as the scum of the universe, saying he shouldn't be allowed to return to playing and make all of his money. They argued that if he weren't Ray Lewis and an All Pro NFL linebacker, he would have been thrown in prison and likely still be there today.
None of us want to believe that these warriors would do such heinous things. Yet we see continuous reminders that some do. Most fans want to enjoy football and escape from the everyday stresses of life for a few hours on Sunday. It's a shame that the experience becomes tainted when we think about cheering for and supporting some of these players who have been found to have acted inappropriately.
For some, it's none of their business and they're able to separate on-field from off-field happenings. And that's OK too. There is no right or wrong. But it doesn't change the fact that what we see on the field is no indication of who the man behind the uniform really is. It's up to fans to decide what that means to them.
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Jason is a freelance writer on staff since 2012 and also co-hosts Cheesehead TV Live, Pulse of the Pack and Pack A Day podcasts. You can follow him on Twitter here




Comments (26)
Lphill
June 30, 2017 at 06:18 am
Off topic I just wanted to say to everyone that puts the time and effort into cheesehead tv , thank you all your your time and effort , it's the first thing I read in the morning , there seems to be a growing number of critics showing up here and I just wanted everyone at cheesehead tv to know that I appreciate all of you .
Since'61
June 30, 2017 at 10:55 am
LpHill - great post! It needed to be said. I go back to 2011 with this blog when it was Jersey Al's All Green Bay Packers. There are a core group of bloggers who have been here for a long time and who contribute good, solid, even excellent comments each time they post (for fear of leaving someone out I'm not going to try to name all of them but they know who they are). Plus, they do it without insulting other bloggers or the writers. I just want to second your appreciation of the writers and Jersey Al and all that they do to bring us this blog every day. I also want to thank any technical people working behind the scenes who support their efforts. Finally I want to thank my fellow bloggers who contribute their excellent and insightful comments in a decent and respectable manner. These are the people who make this the best Packers blog and one of the best sports blogs online anywhere. To those who demean and disrespect the writers and other bloggers (you also know who you are); Why? How do you think it helps the conversation? There are ways to disagree and make your points without demeaning or criticizing other people who you don't even know anything about. None of us need to be here, we all choose to participate here. We come to share our thoughts about Packers/NFL football and take a pleasant break from our day, not to argue with other people. In a small way this blog makes the world a better place. Wouldn't it be preferable to maintain a place where people are not shouting at each other over something we actually share a common interest in? All I can say is; Al, Jason, et. al., keep up the good work and as always, Thanks, Since '61
JerseyAl
June 30, 2017 at 09:13 am
you guys made my day. I've never been a fan of banning people for anything other than direct personal attacks, but the morons who have to come on here and "critique" these articles they are reading for free, had really put me in a bad mood. Especially because they are so wrong, yet think they know something. Anyway, I'm untying my hands and am going to allow myself to jettison a few of these rude, thoughtless people. Cya!
Bedrock
June 30, 2017 at 09:47 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is your baby, isn't it? I love this site and have it as part of my morning ritual. Do what you want with it. Those who are loyal to quality and integrity have been with you and will be.
JerseyAl
June 30, 2017 at 09:56 am
No, it was actually Aaron Nagler and Corey Benke's baby. They are the founders and curated/grew CheeseheadTV before we decided on a merger with my site (allgbp.com) and readers being brought over here. I'm now the Editor-In-Chief, Corey handles the back-end technical side and Aaron has a real job with Packersnews.com now.
I very much appreciate the kind words.
Bedrock
June 30, 2017 at 01:37 pm
I was an avid reader of jerseyal's blog before. I suppose I should have figured CheeseheadTV wasn't your baby knowing the merger idea with the blog bearing your name. Either way, I appreciate it.
JerseyAl
June 30, 2017 at 06:20 pm
thanks!
jasonperone
July 01, 2017 at 02:10 pm
Thx as always 61!
TKWorldWide
June 30, 2017 at 11:14 am
Needed to be said, Lphill. Well put.
JerseyAl
June 30, 2017 at 06:20 pm
Thank You!
jasonperone
July 01, 2017 at 02:10 pm
Thanks Lphill! The majority here are great. Appreciate it!
J0hn Denver's Gavel
July 01, 2017 at 02:48 pm
Best Packers blog site out there! You guys are all great. Thanks for the mass amount of daily content, it's all read and appreciated by myself and many I've turned on to the site.
RCPackerFan
June 30, 2017 at 08:05 am
We truly don't know who these players really are. What demons they have to battle or what personal issues they have to deal with. The truth is we have no idea what anyone is dealing with or going through.
In the case of Ahman Green I don't feel its really worth talking about until everything comes out or until it gets into the court system. None of us knows what actually happened in that house. My feeling is why go and accuse Ahman of something that maybe not completely true. Until we know what exactly happened we are just speculating.
In the case of Guion, with the new information that came out yesterday. I changed my mind on him. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with seeing what his breathalyzer test results were. But after reading that he was in bad shape, refused a blood test and was found with marijuana on him. I now think it is time for the Packers to let him go.
Again in the case of Guion, I did not want to overreact. But now its pretty clearly that the situation was much worse then I first led to believe.
TarynsEyes
June 30, 2017 at 01:29 pm
This is why the 2nd chance can seem like turning the other cheek, only get hit again. Perhaps not in every instance I'm sure, but NFL players are notorious for doing such to their fans.
In the majority of cases, their innocence is based merely on a fans desire to win a game.
Since'61
June 30, 2017 at 09:10 am
Motivation and/or intent are among the most difficult factors to determine and identify for a person's actions. They are as diverse as each individual. In the case of NFL players, particularly those who have played for a few or more seasons I think/wonder about the affects of CTE in their lives and decision making, especially as they get older. Regrettably we don't know enough about this injury/disease to determine if or how CTE affects a person's decision making and their thinking. Does it turn some players more violent. Would some of these players ever have become abusers if they did not play football? We're not likely to find out at least in the near future. I'm not trying to condone or make excuses for Ahman Green or any of the acts of domestic violence or any other abuse/violence committed by NFL players. In the end we are all accountable for our actions. But think of the victims who might have been spared or could be spared in the future if the NFL would admit to the problem and take it seriously enough to commit the resources which might lead to equipment improvements and the prevention of concussions. Does Green have CTE? 9 seasons at RB in the NFL would likely do that to a player. Did Green show tendencies towards violence or abuse previous to this issue? Is this how CTE is manifesting in Green after all these years retired from the game? Don't the victims and potential victims deserve the benefit of the doubt? Don't the players that we cheer for deserve help if this is a legitimate issue caused by playing in the NFL. For me it would be good to know, especially if the players and their victims could be helped. Thanks, Since '61
Bedrock
June 30, 2017 at 09:11 am
Perhaps someone can research this, but I recall hearing the NFL stating that the percentage of its players convicted or accused of crime is actually lower than the national percentage. Maybe this is considering the demographic comparison, but either way, it's worth looking into. It's certainly more newsworthy to fans when it happens to a player than it is to "Mr. Random" three states away.
None of this changes the main point of the article which I agree with. We do not know these players.
The following idea related to this blog may not resonate with most, but here goes: most humans are allowed by society to change their minds or decisions. You open the refrigerator wanting milk to drink but see the orange juice and drink that instead. You like taking Cleveland St. to work but decide to change it up today, and so on. But when Favre changed his mind about retirement, he gets vilified. Why? Just like this blog suggests, we don't treat players as humans. Favre changed his mind and apparently wasn't allowed a human set of emotions and decision making experiences.
JerseyAl
June 30, 2017 at 09:24 am
I discouraged my kids from idolizing sports figures and other celebrities unless they have some actual idea of what type of person they are off the field. Speaking for myself, I only had two sports-related idols growing up, both by all accounts impeccable people off the field: Bart Starr & Bobby Murcer.
RCPackerFan
June 30, 2017 at 09:43 am
I think its ok to idolize the player on the field/court. The player on the field/court is who you see as a kid growing up. But to idolize the person, I definitely think is different.
To be honest you really have to be careful who to consider role models that are in the public eye. That includes sports figures and celebrities.
Bedrock
June 30, 2017 at 09:50 am
Exactly, Al!
I've said this about Randy Moss after his antics and Tiger Woods too. I am allowed to think he is a great athlete. This is what Charles Barkley was getting at when he said he wasn't a role model.
I don't look to athletes for my sense or values or morality. I look to them for entertainment and how to be a professional athlete. If I want someone to look up to for how to be and to live, I have other places for that.
JerseyAl
June 30, 2017 at 09:57 am
perfectly said...
marpag1
June 30, 2017 at 11:25 am
I love football. Generally speaking, I don't love football players. I certainly don't love the NFL.
Maybe it's a bit "cold," but I have very little PERSONAL allegiance to any player. Almost none, really. I can't say that I much admire their ability and I certainly don't idolize them. Running fast, throwing footballs and tackling guys just aren't skills that are worthy of very much respect. In my mind, being a great football player isn't any more "respectable" than being a good plumber or computer technician. I would consider it less "respectable" than being a great teacher, EMT, firefighter, cop, etc, whose job it is to actually help people directly.
I was fully on board when the Packers decided to move on from Favre. To me it's positively silly to say, "Oh, but it's BRETT FAVRE....." Hey, I loved watching him play the game. Would I like him as a person? Honestly, I don't know, but frankly the chances aren't that good.
If there is an athlete that uses his position to help kids, start charities and social programs, etc, I will certainly stand up and applaud... and to be fair, there are plenty of players who do this. But what I really admire is that they have leveraged their football fame into something that is more meaningful than football.
I do not subscribe to the theory "where there's smoke, there's fire" ... for football players or for anyone else. I won't assume that an accused player must have committed a crime because he is a football player and "we all know how they are." Rubbish. We have courts to settle these matters. Unless I'm called to jury duty, it's not my job to render a verdict, and for better or worse, people are considered innocent until proven guilty. Football players should be under the same rules and laws (and protections) as anybody else.
That said, it is perfectly within the fans rights to vote with their wallets. If I know that the owner of the local KFC is a convicted sex offender, yeah, I might head on over to Pizza Hut. And if there are too many convicts hanging out at Lambeau, Camp Randall isn't all that far away.
So yeah... I like football. It's a hell of a fun game to watch. Football players? Let's just say its on a case by case basis.
Thegreatreynoldo
July 01, 2017 at 04:56 pm
Great comment. I fully subscribe to this.
dobber
June 30, 2017 at 04:11 pm
"It seems like a lot of negative publicity recently."
Frankly, it doesn't seem to be out of proportion with what other teams are experiencing.
Community Guy
June 30, 2017 at 05:03 pm
Good article, even better comments.. thanks for the contributions fellas.
JerseyAl
June 30, 2017 at 06:22 pm
Thanks - come back more often!
Savage57
July 01, 2017 at 10:39 am
If I never see or hear the term "Packer people" again, it will be too soon.
Is their a more smug, self-congratulatory bunch of crap any NFL team's fans toss around?
Well maybe one. Skol.