Comments on: Much More To Come…

By: steve in Minneapolis

steve in Minneapolis — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:44:18 +0000

I’ve been reading your blog site for a few
weeks now, and the voices are getting louder. After being chosen as legitimate
Super Bowl contenders (post pre-season) our
beloved Pack is face down bleeding. One
glaring factoid I’m not hearing is: what the hell happened to our home field invincibility? Reggie has to be spinning in
his grave. Where is: THIS IS OUR HOUSE!!!

By: Glorious80s

Glorious80s — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:06:03 +0000

“If he is going to be a franchise player he can’t use his patented “crouch down” in the face of an on coming rush technique. You know what he is not doing while he is crouched down in a stupid yoga pose, looking straight at his linemen’s crotches? He is not going through his progressions and identifying open receivers. ”
An interesting theory. Someone should ask him about it.

By: greenbaypackerbob

greenbaypackerbob — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:12:48 +0000

Thanks PackerRs

Changes do not have to produce ‘droughts’ if managed properly. ergo, TT and MM are not leading or producing. Better team preparations were needed before bringing AR on the scene.

By: Ron La Canne

Ron La Canne — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:59:50 +0000

Let’s see – this is a blog oriented to fan commnetary. Some who contribute seem to feel “fans” shouldn’t comment unless they are in sync with his position. And if not, we should know enough to shut up until he approves of your position.
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Fans can say what ever the hell they want! The fans pay for the team top to bottom. TV revenue – FANS, Gate Receipts – FANS, Geer – FANS, Packer Stock – FANS! We, as fans, have every right to express our views no mater what you think. We might be right, we might be wrong, but we can and will express them.
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To summarize, argue your position against those you deem incorrect. Don’t ridicule because you think no other view is acceptable because (God forbid) we are only fans.

By: Glorious80s

Glorious80s — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:15:11 +0000

CSS, great post. I knew it had to be more there than many people realize. If the short passing yac attack is available, you’ve got to figure they’d use it.

By: Aaron Nagler

Aaron Nagler — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:48:43 +0000

Woody – “To devote an entire blog on this subject matter is far from being even-keeled when discussing the NFL”
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Where is it written that all discussion regarding the NFL must be ‘even-keeled’? Emotional reactions are EXACTLY what blogs are all about. This aint the Wall Street Journal…

By: PackersRS

PackersRS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:48:01 +0000

Egocentric was mine, alright, and unnecessary. But Full of himself and “thinks he’s better than he is” are synonymns, or close to it.
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And you DID compare the way you evaluate Favre with the way you evaluated Rodgers…
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Also, “having a feeling” IS implying… Lipstick on a pig…
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Appreciate that you moderated your tone, BTW. I think we won’t settle in this. I still think that that specific statement was improper… But I do have to take it into a contest, and I do completely agree with the point of your entire post… And I also think (I think a lot, I know) that it’s the coaches job to keep players focused, and to demand they perform at the highest level every snap…

By: CSS

CSS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:37:27 +0000

Interesting analysis by the Press Gazette:

“— The Bucs’ press coverage all but took away the quick-hitters and three-step drops after Rodgers hit WR Greg Jennings for option slants of 11 and 6 on the first two drives. It also made receivers work harder to get open at times, and with the mounting protection issues up front, downfield routes sometimes didn’t clear fast enough for Rodgers to get the ball out. At other times, the Cover-2 shell created a bracket effect, such as on the second interception — a post that went through Jennings’ hands at the 4. Bucs CB Aqib Talib, matched up with Jennings much of the day, was playing under coverage with S Corey Lynch picking up the deep route about 10 yards downfield. Lynch played it better than expected, but Rodgers’ perfect throw still gave the Packers a chance. Jennings just dropped it.”

Defenses are scheming to force the Packers to intemediate routes that take a bit longer to develop, taking away the slant and quick hitter hoping they get the sack.

Also, as posted before, it was ill advised for Rodgers to throw that ball into the coverage leading to his 2nd interception, but the ball hit Jennings in the pads and was more than catchable.

By: WoodyG

WoodyG — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:26:51 +0000

Aaron

I’m not referring to the past….. Only this blog is relevant to any comments I have made as are yours………. As you would say… ” A. Fucking. Men. ”
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Obviously you’re in total agreement with DDD……… What once were character enhancements for AR have now become character flaws ……… Why?… Because the Pack have lost two & put a successful season in jeopardy…… I would never contend that AR’s character has altered in the last two weeks …. How can anyone so far removed from a situation (like a fan) draw any conclusions?……… It’s folly & an emotional response that deserves very little attention …… To devote an entire blog on this subject matter is far from being even-keeled when discussing the NFL ……. However, what I do enjoy is how some vocal PackFans have set themselves up for a big fall if……..

By: Aaron Nagler

Aaron Nagler — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:03:34 +0000

Woody – clearly, you are not familiar with my past battles with DDD. Needless to say, I “provide a platform for him” (which I don’t – Blogger does) because his observations are always intelligent and astute, weather I agree with them or not.

By: D.D. Driver

D.D. Driver — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:37:38 +0000

“Ego-centric” and and “full of himself” are your words not mine. Keep your words and all of your other possessions out of my mouth.
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What I actually said was that it seems to me that he thinks he is better than he is. You can have an inflated self-opinion and not be an egomaniac.
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And I’m hardly “comparing” Rodgers to Favre. Again, your words, my mouth.
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Is my opinion based upon my own obervations? Yes. Do I have a ton of information to base my opinion? No. And that’s why I said that “I’m getting the feeling that…” For crying out loud, can I soft sell it any more? How much bigger of a disclaimer do I need so that people don’t get their panties in a tangle?

By: PackersRS

PackersRS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:23:55 +0000

First of all, what’s up with the attack?? Play on words, sarcasm…
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So, DDD, the reason you feel Rodgers is egocentric, as opposed to complacent, is because???? What are those words and actions that clearly proves he’s egocentric?
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But you want to be sarcastic… I’ll be frank. Comparing Rodgers, who stood while fans booed him his first game as a starter, who stayed 3 years as a backup, who endured the flipflops of Favre, with that same Favre, who retired and unretired so he could skip offseason, who flipped the bird to his fans and went to the biggest rival (one of), is ludicrous, to not say ill intentioned.
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Take a pause before concluding that Rodgers is full of himself because he said he should play the same way. Because last time I checked, this was not your homepage: http://www.tmz.com/ How’s that for a far-fetched comparison???

By: WoodyG

WoodyG — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:13:38 +0000

It’s on the fan for drawing conclusions based on scant information…… But I’m sure you agree with DDD…. You’re the one who provided the platform for him…. You’re kinda like his “Big Brother”…… As long as his views & your views are the same…… Then I’m sure you’ll defend his every word.

By: Aaron Nagler

Aaron Nagler — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:43:44 +0000

Woody – bullshit. When players are with the media, that is their chance to convey whatever it is they want to convey for mass consumption. It’s not on the fan to ‘have a cup of coffee’ with the player (which is just an asinine argument, btw). If players don’t want to take advantage of the platforms they are given, that’s on them – not the fans.

By: WoodyG

WoodyG — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:32:40 +0000

” If not, then why is it unreasonable for me to draw conclusions about Rodgers based upon HIS words and conduct? ”
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Sit down with AR or any player, have a cup of coffee & discuss the state of the Packers for even 30 minutes, then you have REAL information on which to base your opinions……. Now you have nothing except what your ‘illustrious’ providers of info deem neccessary at this point….. “Big Brother” has you right where he wants you……. under his thumb.

By: D.D. Driver

D.D. Driver — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:06:44 +0000

For the record, I also believe that Favre is a jerk. I don’t need a signed affidavit from Favre admitting that he is a jerk. I have drawn that conclusion based upon his own conduct and words.
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It is within the relm of possibility that Favre is the most humble and nicest guy in the world and he just *acts* like a jerk.
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So is it unreasonable for me to believe that he is a jerk based upon his words and conduct?
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If not, then why is it unreasonable for me to draw conclusions about Rodgers based upon HIS words and conduct?

By: D.D. Driver

D.D. Driver — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:55:15 +0000

I absolutely think Rodgers is cocky and has a bit of a swagger. While I like those traits to some extent, I wish that at this stage of his career he had more of a chip on his shoulder. He isn’t improving and he has made it quite clear that he doesn’t THINK he has to improve. And this isn’t just speculation on my part. These are essentially his own words.
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And if you observe with your eyes 30% of posters here that seem to your observation to enjoy watching hobo’s molest dead cats. And you hear with your own ears 30% of posters here suggest that they actually don’t mind watching hobos molest dead cats. Well, the it’s not unreasonable for you to draw some tentative conclusions.
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But whatever. Unless, Rodgers signs an affidavit that he thinks he is better than he actually is, I guess we have no basis to wonder.

By: WoodyG

WoodyG — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:18:30 +0000

It’s funny how “fans” somehow feel qualified to demonize a team & specific players on that team while viewing games on their 25″ RCAs from their ratty couches as the MT beer cans pile-up on the floor……. Then to make matters even worse, these same “fans” go to all the “illustrious” blogs & media rags to find out how they should think ……. You ‘fans’ have it all figured out………… I doubt it.

By: Andrew In Atlanta

Andrew In Atlanta — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:15:35 +0000

Attention all K-Mart shoppers – we’re on a blog. It happens to be an exceptional blog as blogs go, but passionate opinions tend to outpace well thought out analysis. Just the reality of the medium. I’ll duck from the incoming now…

By: PackersRS

PackersRS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:01:50 +0000

The NFP article you posted… I agree with it to some extent… But he says that the players aren’t buying into the program… That part I have to disagree with… I think it’s more that the program itself doesn’t fit the players we have… We just don’t have a decent enough OL and a good enough running game to sustain a deep passing attack all the time. We don’t have enough pass rush to just send 4 most of the time, being those the same 4…

By: CSS

CSS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:53:46 +0000

PackersRS you are correct. I dissect Rodgers game as much as anybody and offer no excuses. I don’t see scheme, players or packages prepared for games and it starts at the top.

By: PackersRS

PackersRS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:50:55 +0000

And DDD, I think what CSS ois trying to say (not that he needs me to translate or something) is that it’s one thing to call a player complacent. It’s another thing to say he’s ego is too inflated, which is what I understanded you implied…

By: CSS

CSS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:49:19 +0000

Ron, I completely agree.

By: PackersRS

PackersRS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:48:22 +0000

“Good discussion above…

More effort should have been prepared getting a team setup that could support a new inexperienced QB. I don’t believe the team was ready for the change.

Everybody wanted the decision to replace AR with Favre to work so bad that the expectations for Rodgers were unrealistic. He is not Favre… maybe in the future but not now. Reasonable folks knew what lay ahead.., yada, yada – old story.

I believe Rodgers holds the ball to long but perhaps with experience that will get better. And he will not last in the NFL running the ball even though he has some talent at it or playing crouching tiger behind a weak OL. Throw it away or give a top receiver a chance to make a play (forget the stats- they only protect TT and MM). But he cannot make an excuse about the cards he was dealt. That’s just the way it is.

Overall, I still believe TT is the primary cause of the current situation and MM is on his coat tail.”

Agree 100% with what you said. I mean, when you can skip the broken record, you actually make a very sound argument!

By: CSS

CSS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:47:14 +0000

“I FEEL that 30% of the posters here enjoy watching hobos molest dead cats. I have nothing substantial to show as much, I’m just pissed and believe it so.”

Let’s agree the statement is purely subjective and I disagree.