Mike Daniels Calls for Packers to Draft Iowa CB Josh Jackson
-- The Green Bay Packers need a strategic action plan at cornerback for next month's draft, and that plan may be drafting Iowa's Josh Jackson with their 14th overall pick.
At least, in Mike Daniels' mind.
Daniels, the Packers' Pro Bowl defensive lineman who is a former Iowa Hawkeye himself, selected Jackson in Good Morning Football's "rough" draft segment on Thursday.
"He is one of the greatest secrets in football, man," Daniels said. "I mean, Iowa, right? We're great with defensive backs. Everybody talks about the D-linemen, everybody talks about the offensive linemen. Nobody talks about the defensive backs. We've always got some, and he's going to be the next great one."
Jackson would likely enter the Packers' secondary and fill in as an immediate starter opposite Kevin King, as Daniels would go on to mention. He'd fit nicely on the perimeter with a 6-1, 192-pound build that helped him record eight interceptions in his junior season before declaring for the NFL Draft a year early.
"He's coming in right now with some fire. He's going to make some plays; Kevin King on the opposite side of him and my guy Josh Jones -- can't have too many Josh's in the backfield."
Jackson's aforementioned eight interceptions led the nation last year, and entering a unit with Tramon Williams in it -- one of the finest Packers cornerbacks in the last decade -- could only enhance Jackson's playmaking ability as well as help him become a better player off the field.
The last time the Packers drafted a defensive back out of Iowa, they took Micah Hyde with the 159th overall selection in 2013. Hyde was never of the Charles Woodson-esque type, but his ability to play in various positions -- safety, the slot, on the outside -- made him an indisposable asset to the Packers' defense.
Since leaving Green Bay in free agency last year, Hyde had a Pro Bowl season in 2017 and was voted as a Second-team All-Pro safety.
Starting right tackle Bryan Bulaga was also drafted out of Iowa in the first round in 2010, so the Packers' track record this decade has been relatively successful with player acquisition from the school.
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Zachary Jacobson is a staff writer/reporter for Cheesehead TV. He's the voice of The Leap on iTunes and can be heard on The Scoop KLGR 1490 AM every Saturday morning. He's also a contributor on the Pack-A-Day Podcast. He can be found on Twitter via @ZachAJacobson or contacted through email at [email protected].
Comments (136)
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 12:21 pm
Imagine that...an Iowa guy touting another Iowa guy? Shocking.
I wish all of our players would just shut up when it comes to personnel unless they're specifically asked about it. I understand Daniels was, but it seems we've heard more this year from players on personnel than any other I ever recall. #ThanksSocialMedia
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 01:12 pm
John, Who knows a football player better than a pro bowl D tackle/end? At least his attitude and skill set and whatever “inside info” he can gather could be very helpful. I’m not so sure we want to give up info on whom we’re looking at @ #14 but, for Jackson it’s a nice endorsement!!! Just sayin’...
Cubbygold
March 24, 2018 at 01:16 pm
Daniels is extremely underqualified to be reccomending who GB takes in the first round.
Ryan Graham
March 24, 2018 at 01:24 pm
more qualified than any of us dontcha think....
Cubbygold
March 24, 2018 at 03:33 pm
Gute definitely shouldn't be scouring packer blogs for ideas. That doesn't qualify daniels twitter page as a better source
Oppy
March 24, 2018 at 06:23 pm
You think Gute is watching "good morning football" for draft insights?
DD
March 25, 2018 at 08:32 am
So is our past administration , and MM!!
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 01:24 pm
Hey John, 1973 called - says you're welcome back anytime buddy ;)
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 02:23 pm
Can you make that happen? I'd go yesterday. :) I'm getting close to 1.21 gigawatts needed/
dobber
March 24, 2018 at 02:29 pm
ONE-POINT-TWENTY-ONE GIGAWATTS!!!
Finwiz
March 24, 2018 at 03:39 pm
You're going to be old someday too, just remember that.
Nobody escapes the process.
1973 was a great year.
flackcatcher
March 24, 2018 at 08:16 pm
Age waits for no one. (as my back keeps telling me....)
Ryan Graham
March 24, 2018 at 11:29 pm
CubbyGold, rest easy. I'm 100% sure that is not what BG is doing. it was a media plug and Daniels was in on it. Nothing more... R-E-L-A-X.
Finwiz
March 24, 2018 at 01:30 pm
I thought the SAME thing!!
It's like dude - just play defensive tackle and concentrate on getting some sacks. Leave the damn GM decisions to Gutenkust and the scouts.
As soon as I saw this headline I was like, 'here we go again with players thinking they're more than just position players'.
I'm sure he's spent the whole off season evaluating Jackson against all the other CB's in the draft.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 01:46 pm
Jesus. It was for a bit on a trashy/lighthearted morning football show. Finwiz what's your day job? It's like DUDE, stick to that and stop spouting your football opinions in the public domain. When I saw your comment I thought ''Here we go again with people on the internet thinking they're more than just people on the internet''
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 02:29 pm
I'd prefer Finwiz continue spouting his. I hate that I have to engage in a post on yet another personal attack on a poster because it conflicts with the desired feel good desired from another poster.
It's clear there are varied lines of thinking here. Spend your time debunking the opinion and none personally attacking someone who is opposite of you.
Nobody here should or does think they are more than a person on the internet, or at least I would hope not. If you're personally attacking someone you should probably focus on what is in you that is making you do this? No different than a person with road rage needing to figure out why he's going nuts in traffic. There's an issue there. Stop putting it on others when you can't handle an opinion. It's childish. A really bad look for anyone over 10.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 02:32 pm
I was defending Mike Daniels, whom I believe you, and Finwiz, were attacking. Pardon me.
Plus I'm only 8.5 years old - not such a bad look considering.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 02:47 pm
You defended Mike Daniels by tearing into a poster on CHTV? This gets right back to what I got into the other day. Nobody needs to defend the honor of anyone in the Packers org. They're all public figures. We give our opinions on them. That is what happens here. Who comes here to debate about me, you, or Finwiz? I don't. If this is a place that desires to be a smack board, I'll bring it hard and slap down people left and right, or just choose not to participate in the pettiness, but that's not what this place is supposed to be, but correct me if I'm wrong.
8.5? I now have all the grace in the world for your faux pas.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 03:19 pm
Tearing into a poster? I simply quoted Finwiz to gently, and comically I might add (subjective whilst that might be), point out the slight irony of his ways.
If this place isn't about pettiness then why are grown men complaining that another grown man partook in a mock draft segment on a fluff piece TV show and drafted a fellow Iowa State player in what culminates to an absolute non-event? If that's not petty I'm not sure what pettiness is.
Also, I can defend, and will defend, whoever I chose - whether you think I need to or not matters little.
I personally enjoy Mike Daniels, he seems a pleasant dude, a kick-ass football player and clearly a man with the vibrancy to make it in television media. Good on him.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 03:47 pm
***Finwiz what's your day job? It's like DUDE, stick to that and stop spouting your football opinions in the public domain. When I saw your comment I thought ''Here we go again with people on the internet thinking they're more than just people on the internet''***
The above is your "comical" response.
You think it's petty to comment that Packers players are more and more spouting off in the media about who the team should acquire? That's trivial? Would you deny that this is happening more this year than any other you can remember as a fan? Do you think players like Mike Daniels should be dictating who should be drafted? Oh, BTW, I realize the context but I'm asking if you think that is a good practice? Should Aaron Rodgers dictate we keep Jordy Nelson...Alex Van Pelt? The comment is not trivial, to us, but perhaps to you, it is, but likely because as you stated...you felt compelled to defend Mike Daniels. You also stated you felt we attacked him. Wow. Read what I wrote and tell me I attacked Mike Daniels and then read your reaction to Finwiz and tell me which one is an attack. It's pretty clear who attacked personally and who gave an opinion.
Again, we're at this point where we have those who feel like they need to defend the org's honor against anyone who would question. That sounds like fascism and censorship to me in a football version. I have never ever read on any board I've been to someone questioned about what they do for a living when giving a positive opinion about the local team...NEVER. It only happens in a scenario when someone who is Packers positive feels someone is being too negative. Then, and only then, do you get replies like you gave to Finwiz. Additionally, I had never ever seen anyone ever type to stop giving their opinion because they were too positive about the team...again, only done when it's perceived as negative. So, a huge agenda is at work. My agenda is to type what I think and feel based on what I see and other factors while maybe for others it's about defending the org's honor at any cost. I see no objectivity at all in one of those mentalities but that is the mentality that acts superior and censorious which I find ironic.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 04:12 pm
But you don't seem to understand irony do you John?
My comment used the exact phrasing of FINWIZ' previous post about Mike Daniels - basically word for word - but mirrored it back on him. Making the point that it's a little hypocritical to criticise somebody for having an opinion outside of their perceived speciality and sharing it - whilst doing the same thing yourself.
Yes I think what players say in the media in March is largely trivial and I'm sure the Packers 'brass' see's it that way. In this instance, Daniels, clearly a man concerning himself with the media for his life after his playing career, I think this will be a regular thing from him. Good on him for pursuing something off the field.
These are just people with opinions voicing them in public - since that is something you spend some of your time doing, one would imagine you might empathise rather than criticise. After all, Daniels has far more invested in the success of the Green Bay Packers than you, or I, or anybody else on this forum - so I for one enjoy hearing his passionate nonsense. It's all in the name of entertainment after all - no need to get upset about it.
Finwiz, if you're reading this, for the record I was not attacking you, I was gently mocking your overly critical tone by reflecting it back on to you. This John Kirk fellow sure has your back though ey?
Finwiz
March 24, 2018 at 04:20 pm
I think you or I would have delusions of grandeur to think our opinions are equatable with a pro football celebrity. Quite simply debunks the premise of your 1st paragraph.
You said what you said to be demeaning...but that's fine.
Just be honest about your motives, and don't try to spin it like Trump selling us on that ridiculous Omnibus bill he signed.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 04:37 pm
Motivation and premise of my statements are pretty clear and I stand by those. People getting upset over athletes with outspoken opinions is well worth a little ire. Your desire to have a voice and to be heard, is the same as theirs least we forget.
Oppy
March 25, 2018 at 04:00 am
How dare you have the audacity to reflect the audacity of the audacious!
Spock
March 25, 2018 at 09:20 am
GBJ, Leap year birthday I'm guessing?
GB Jacker
March 25, 2018 at 09:38 am
Like you Spock I am just from another evolutionary timeline all together
Spock
March 25, 2018 at 08:56 pm
GB, Lol, It's our unique perspective that adds a little spice to the comments section. Live long and prosper brother. :)
Finwiz
March 24, 2018 at 02:56 pm
I'm entitled.....
to an opinion - just like everyone else.
50 years of being a Packer fan says so. There's a high probability I forgot more about football than most on here will ever know. There's a handful of guys around here that are actually worth reading. Impress me with your wisdom, oh wise one.
Flame away, I can handle it. Guys like JK come on here and give an honest opinion, instead of overly positive bilge that bears no resemblance to reality. Just like last year when everyone was so fired up about a couple of big name free agents. That didn't go too well, did it? Color me a skeptic, but I'm encouraged by what I see so far.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 03:03 pm
So it's only an honest opinion if it's negative or aligned with your opinion? Either your for everybody having an opinion or you're not?
I'll gladly accept the failings in my logic if somebody can give me a reason that Mike Daniels (again, appearing on a nothing segment on NFL network) mock drafting his fellow Iowa player has any impact whatsoever on Green Bay Packers football performance or operations.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 04:07 pm
Did you read the comments that you are taking great issue with? Read them again.
The commentary was a cumulative reaction to what we've seen from Packers players this year. It wasn't a comment in a vacuum about Mike Daniels comment. You're reacting as if it was a one off comment solely about Mike Daniels. Not correct.
So, I think your logic is flawed. Now, you tell me if I've got it wrong.
EDIT: As for the honest opinion thing. If you're not in tune enough to realize that anyone too close to anything loses objectivity, there's bigger issues in play here. I don't think you realize that when you call something "negative" it's really just our opinion. You have to categorize as negative to dismiss it. I do believe that also happens in reverse but not to the degree it happens the other way. Admitting there's a problem is the first step to recovery, but there are a lot of people who will never take that first step. Those are the ones who castigate and scream about their perceived negativity and needing to defend honor that needs no defending.
Go read the recent Damarious Randall tweets. They're gold. A treat. A tweet treat. He's posting about how dumb the trade was that sent him to Cleveland. He has his minions defending him left and right. It's cute. Try reasoning with a single one of them about the real reason he's not a Packer and they ain't gonna answer and you'll likely be personally attacked for dare saying anything "negative"...you see it's a feel good thing. Anything that doesn't make me feel good needs to be attacked so I can protect that good feeling I had before I had to deal with that info that I don't like and must reject. It's a groupie or spokesman mentality. I'm not a groupie nor a spokesman and find both of those things distasteful.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 04:08 pm
I'm perfectly at peace with my logic thanks. Your ''football players should be seen and not heard''/''what's with all this social media stuff'' philosophy is just not for me - i'm not taking 'great issue with it' - I just think it's silly and worth poking fun at. I personally enjoy hearing from the players, and if I don't then I tune out, safe in the knowledge that beyond very extreme circumstances it has zero impact come gameday. As per usual, much ado about nothing.
Edit: to address your edit - sounds like your having an existential crisis John. It's just football buddy.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 04:16 pm
You may be at peace with it but that doesn't make it correct. I asked you if I had it wrong just as you had asked. Crickets. I have it right. You did react to a cumulative point and spoke as if it was an isolated one.
BTW, you have me all wrong. Seen and not heard? I love twitter. It's gold. I happen to think it's a bad practice for the players to be speaking to certain things but I love when they do for the entertainment value. I see all kinds of entertaining tweets in all areas of life that are funny or interesting but that doesn't mean I think they should've been tweeted in the first place.
Sorry, I just hate when I read these personal attacks. It has nothing to do with Finwiz...I did the same for myself the other day when it happened toward me. It only happens in one direction...from those who think they're defending the org's honor. Never goes the other way. That should speak to something right there. I'd be happy to defend anyone who is personally attacked. Did same for Wortzik when that guy with the weird backward screen name was attacking him personally.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 04:24 pm
Yeah, you have it all wrong.
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 05:30 pm
And I appreciated it John! Apparently more-so than some others here. As I’ve said many, many times here, “Opinions are like wisdom teeth... we all have (had) 1-2-3 or 4!!! Well, maybe I didn’t say wisdom teeth... just feel free to substitute your own item that we all have... just sayin’... let’s move on here... ;~€)
Finwiz
March 24, 2018 at 04:13 pm
The difference is, a player has much more sway and influence, because they're celebrity's in the public realm. Daniels says something in the press and 5 million people hear it and consider it, whereas schmoe's like us on a Packer blog might have 100 people read it, and 20 consider it as valid opinion.
That's a huge disparity. Clearly players are influential and overstepping the bounds of their job description when they publicly endorse a player from their old school. (google conflict of interest) It's like if one of the accountants in our group would leave and I dictate to management whom they should hire. I don't have any right to do that, nor should my opinion be considered, unless asked of course.
Maybe Gutey asked for MD's opinion, and told him to express it to the press? I'm so sure.
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 04:21 pm
The boundaries of what? What you deem acceptable? It's not a conflict of interest for Mike Daniels to show his old school some love - that literally happens constantly in the NFL - because Daniels has absolutely ZERO influence on who the Packers draft. Where is the conflict?!
Do you have Mike Daniels job description? Do you think anywhere in his contract it states ''do not go on TV and participate in Mock drafts''?
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 04:55 pm
I like comparing to the gold standard. I don't think the Patriots org engages in this type of thing. I don't recall Brady being vocal about much of anything. I'm trying hard to recall any Patriots current player doing some of the things our guys have done this year.
Good for Mike Daniels, personally, if he wants to break into media. Perhaps, he can retire like Joe Thomas and join their ranks?
BTW, in your edit to my edit you have now failed, twice, to respond to the question I asked you. You only had to ask me once. :) It's okay. I know the answer or I wouldn't have asked. :)
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 04:59 pm
What was the question?
worztik
March 25, 2018 at 12:11 pm
Schmo... gotta love it!!!
worztik
March 25, 2018 at 12:08 pm
Your = you’re... alas... you are... love it gents!!!
OrganLeroy
March 24, 2018 at 03:39 pm
Most Packer fans seem to think they know more about talent and building a roster than the organization does, so what if Daniels makes those statements, it's a free country, and exactly how is his opinion hurting anyone?
GB Jacker
March 24, 2018 at 04:13 pm
Amen brother!
Minniman
March 24, 2018 at 05:07 pm
I'd probably be more concerned if Mike Daniels was ripping into a team mate in public than endorsing a draft prospect that he knows he has no real sway in deciding on.
Regarding talent building prognostications - Fantasy Leagues woudn't exist if interested fans didn't speculate.
JerseyAl, I was thinking just yesterday that it would be good to run a fantasy league on the site - with the rules being that it ONLY relates to draftees and free agents...... that way at they end of the year we could really measure ourselves as armchair GM's
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 06:26 pm
Pool too small with just FA's and draftees. Unless, you just had guys pick their lineups without a fantasy draft. I'd play in that league...money or free. No waivers unless guys are out?
Minniman
March 24, 2018 at 08:01 pm
Good point - its taking shape though. Maybe include last year contract players too (in order to gauge things like the Cm3/Cobb/Jordy/Bulaga retention decisions).
DD
March 25, 2018 at 08:43 am
We don't know more, but we can SEE their selections, releases, and changes being made, especially on coaching side. What's the one main anchor they have kept after supposedly cleaning house? Answer: MM. 12 years, Rodgers at QB, one SB. Terrible overall team motivation failure by MM. So do we know all players, no, but we certainly can see and know the results. It's a results driven league. If you can't see that offense and it's no scheme, prredictable patterns, no creativity or change in plays then I'm totally wrong. So, we can have a say. After all, don't we own the team? Oh, that's just on paper. Ha. Lol.
ScaryGary
March 25, 2018 at 04:53 pm
hey john kirk ur welcome for daniels, bulaga, hyde, kampman, and jeter* -guy i looked. go hawks, don't forget chuck long was a bust or detroit might have been good
al bundy
March 24, 2018 at 12:10 pm
sounds good.
Lare
March 24, 2018 at 12:27 pm
I'll admit that I don't know that much about Jackson other than what I've read, but I wasn't all that impressed by his performance at the combine.
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 01:17 pm
Screw the combine, look at his tape, he's a baller, I'd be happy with him.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 02:48 pm
What tape would that be? I've asked many many people who are out there on the net about the fact Josh Jackson faced Big 10 WR's. Who is it that he shutdown that impresses anybody? The Big 10 was a joke in the ONE year Josh Jackson played and showed out.
If anyone can answer the level of the WR's he faced question, I'd be very excited to get a look at the answer.
So, one year of tape vs. a group of brutal Big 10 WR's. Caveat emptor.
Finwiz
March 24, 2018 at 02:59 pm
Well although the receivers in the big ten weren't all that great, he did play rather well against WI. I was impressed, considering all the hype I heard about him. He was all over the field blanketing receivers - WI receivers mind you, but he looked good. Is he ready to cover Stefan Diggs? Who knows.
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 05:40 pm
Fin...he was a man among boys that day at Camp Randall... it sucked but, I think we won didn’t we?
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 05:38 pm
Caviar shrimp cocktail to you John!!!
J0hn Denver's Gavel
March 24, 2018 at 01:28 pm
i heard he ran like a 4.5 40... any truth to this? if so, isnt Q our "ball-hawking," led college football in interceptions for one season guy? I think Im perfectly happy with only one cb that doesn't have the natural speed to play effectively in the NFL. 2 slower than molasses CBs on the same roster? No thanks.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 02:38 pm
He ran 4.56 in his first attempt and 4.6 in his second attempt. He had a good SPARQ score, though, which is important to get a measure of his total athleticism.
Not fast...and didn't face good competition in the Big 10. A huge risk as a first rounder much less at 14. I'd be disgusted with him at 14. The Josh Norman stuff will come out as a comp, but hard to be excited about a slow CB who faced garbage in his one year of relevance at the college level.
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 03:11 pm
He had 3 ints against Ohio State
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 04:22 pm
Did you watch that game? I posted the link to it awhile back when he came up in another thread. Go watch it. Do you realize the Buckeyes top receiver wasn't on the field for that game? Here it is, again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8yoYtOLTe0
Yeah, I saw the one hander where he contorted his body. It was a special play, I'll give you that.
Let me get this straight...you posted about watching the tape and then reply to a question about the competition he faced in the Big 10 with...He had 3 ints against Ohio State? I was aware of that having watched that game. Do you know much about Josh Jackson...or only that he had 3 picks that you saw in highlights from that game? I'm truly curious what your opinion is built on when it comes to Jackson?
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 05:44 pm
I'm a Mich fan and watched a lot of big 10 games, also like Wis. Didn't see but a couple of Iowa games like the dismantling of Ohio State.
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 05:57 pm
Maybe you'd be happy with Sequem Griffin who ran a 4.38, if all your worried about is straight line speed. We could convert him to CB.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 06:58 pm
Not what I'm worried about. Sometimes I wonder if posters are even reading what I'm typing before responding.
I said pretty clearly that I'm most worried about his level of competition. Who did he dominate that's going to be who is projected to be a great pro?
Looked to see who he covered vs. Penn State...wasn't Hamilton...he covered Johnson...he went 7/92 with game winning TD. Hard to tell who Jackson was supposed to be covering on the last play. He ended up backpedaling a yard or two when Johnson cut inside...not sure it was his responsibility or if he was assigned the corner of the end zone.
Minniman
March 24, 2018 at 08:10 pm
Ironically, Sequan Griffin is a prospect that I'm interested in - not saying that he's in my mock draft yet, but I like his speed and I like his attitude.
If I can gauge if his personal measure of success is way, way, way more than just getting drafted (i.e. A-rod sized chip on his shoulder) then I might just jump on his bandwagon.
he's got some pills (moxie) and raw skills - thats for sure!
Cubbygold
March 24, 2018 at 06:08 pm
So when the bucks roll over michigan for the 14th time in 15 years this November, will harbaugh be let go?
OH!
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 06:10 pm
Mich needs a QB.
sonomaca
March 24, 2018 at 12:30 pm
If they draft JJ, almost looks like Daniels is dictating to Gute what to do. I don’t think a GM can afford to look like a tool, so this makes drafting JJ less likely.
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 01:16 pm
I totally disagree!!! Daniels is not dictating to Gute, he’s simply expressing his opinion as we all have regarding certain players... like Josh Jackson! I like him (Watch the beginning of the Badgers’ game!) and I hope that Gute does as well!!!
OrganLeroy
March 24, 2018 at 03:41 pm
That makes absolutely no sense, how do you even come up with a statement like that?
stockholder
March 24, 2018 at 12:47 pm
WHY?? Williams was signed and were going to sign House. Both are starters. Yes their up in age, but Jackson could be a bust. A 1 year wonder boy. Is he casey Hayward? Maybe Daniels thinks so, but I DON"T. I'm sold on making the whole Defense better. Yes we need assistance in all areas. The Packers are going against good QBs. A rookie must learn, and his reputation will be shot, once he gets burned. His memory will be long and damaged. So just stop. If I'm Gute. I need 2 starters for this defense. Starters. Not LEARNERS! I'm all for getting R. Smith FIRST. Trade up if you have too. Smith is considered the pro Bowl player of the future. Thats what we want! @14, the pro Bowl player! The Future Leader of the Defense. Next I want starter #2. @45, the next Starter for the Defense should be Carter. He won't be a bust, and will be better than Langley. He has the speed to Rush and to cover. He's not going to have to learn much. If Gute wants this team right; Draft these two. Spend the draft picks on sure things. The holes will fill in. But these are your first two players if you want results. The future of the packers is not at CB.
sonomaca
March 24, 2018 at 12:52 pm
I’ve heard that Roquan has significant injury issues. If Hurst is cleared, why not him? He could be the most talented player in the draft.
Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Hurst, Lowry. Who needs corners with that front. QB’s will 1.7 seconds.
stockholder
March 24, 2018 at 01:02 pm
HAM STRING SHUTDOWN. DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORY OF INJURY>
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 01:24 pm
We need 5 great CBs and 5 great Ss to ALL fit together as a cohesive unit no matter who is on the field!!! I don’t know about the guys on our team presently but, we can always be drafting 1-2 CBs every draft in order to keep improving and staying young and healthy. These guys take a beating as well, injuries are a constant in the secondary and a team can never have too many quality DBs!!!
stockholder
March 24, 2018 at 04:39 pm
I thought you wanted a QB? Seems your a little off target here. Capers scheme called for more tackling. The packers were near the top in injuries. Lets not fill the roster with over-priced secondary people. When the changes should be up front first. Ok== Say lets draft 10. But you need 4 greats at 10 mil a piece. Did you get your $$$$ worth if the starters get hurt like you planned?
dobber
March 24, 2018 at 04:52 pm
"Capers scheme called for more tackling."
Every scheme calls for the same amount of tackling: once per play...preferably sooner rather than later.
Oppy
March 25, 2018 at 04:18 am
Dobber,
This is the best comment of all time.
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 05:50 pm
I would take Josh Allen to be our QB in training in a heartbeat!!! I haven’t been as vocal since we picked up Kizer but, Allen looks like the second coming of ARod!!! I’ve actually been enjoying the banter here betwixt youse guys hey...
Finwiz
March 24, 2018 at 03:03 pm
Good post, good points.
They need difference makers - the best players, regardless of position, on defense.
Nobody knows who's a sure thing as it translates from college to the pro's.
I remember when Brian Bosworth, Tony Mandarich and Ryan Leaf were supposed to be sure things. We all know how that turned out.
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 05:53 pm
Turned out really well for Detroit... they got Barry!!!
dobber
March 24, 2018 at 06:23 pm
...and he led them to their only playoff win since 1957.
OrganLeroy
March 24, 2018 at 03:44 pm
Wow, you don't actually have opinions do you, just all the right answers that the Packers don't have. Why aren't you the GM?
stockholder
March 24, 2018 at 04:25 pm
Fans know more than management because we keep it simple. They only understand how to keep the ship running. Not what makes it better.
worztik
March 24, 2018 at 05:55 pm
You having a really bad day Mr. Organ-grinder? Or are you the little monkey?
flackcatcher
March 24, 2018 at 08:24 pm
Excuse me, but what is with the 1/2 vote. That's weird.
PatrickGB
March 24, 2018 at 12:35 pm
Yes, he seemed uninterested by some accounts. I really dont know if he is worthy of pick #14. But who knows? I dont for sure. I prefer a DL/pass rush pick. But its all about value. Maybe a move back down from #14 (if we get a good deal) would make more sense. From what I have read after the top 10, the players start looking like the same -at least value wise.
Thegreatreynoldo
March 25, 2018 at 04:53 am
Agreed. There are 4 or 5 QBs, then Tier One: Barkley, Chubb, Nelson, Smith, Edmunds, Fitzpatrick, maybe Ward and James. 5+8 = 13, not 14. However, seems like every draft a team takes a player I had in tier 2 in the top 10.
Tier Two: boom or busts Davenport, Landry, Hurst, maybe Key for some (I'd put Key in Tier Three), plus a number of players whose ceiling isn't quite so high but have a really good chance of being fine NFL players: Vea, Jackson, Sutton, Bryan, Oliver, Payne, Washington, maybe McGlinchey, etc.
If Gute takes any of my Tier One prospects, I'd be fine with that. If he takes one of the boom/bust prospects from Tier 2, I'll adopt a wait and see attitude without condemning it. I'll be a bit skeptical if Gute drafts one of the other Tier 2 guys at #14, thinking it is a bit of a reach. [I've watched very little film this year - top tier guys, OLBs and some CBs - about 15 players. I am not set in stone of these categorizations.]
4thand1
March 25, 2018 at 08:24 pm
I knew we should have lost 2 mores games.
EddieLeeIvory
March 24, 2018 at 01:03 pm
Compare Bradley Chubbs athletic ability, size, speed, quickness to Marcus Davenport.
And each guy had production too.
Which guy has the better #s?
www.NFLDraftScout.com has all the measurables.
One will be gone in the top 5-8 picks.
The faster one will still be there for us at 14. And he's only getting better.
jimtalkbox
March 24, 2018 at 01:04 pm
From the video I’ve seen, it looked like Iowa played a lot of zone. I’m interested if anyone has information how his abilities might translate to man coverage.
Jackson’s straight line speed isn’t elite, but it’s good enough and the athleticism is there too. He obviously has ball skills too.
Ryan Graham
March 24, 2018 at 01:17 pm
I do feel like Josh Jackson is being overlooked by the top performers at the combine. the DC and secondary coach at Iowa, Phil Parker, has done an incredible job with his corners and safeties preparing them for the future over the past nearly 20 years. It shows in his track record of consistently producing top end defenses in the nation, even when the offense has struggled. Clearly set up by good coaching.
I like Jackson a lot at 14, considering A. Although Tramon was and is still a nice player to have, hes only started 16 of the past 32 games he's played in. So no, he's not necessarily an instant starter. B. Davon House is just not a starter, although another nice depth piece. C. The only "starting caliber" corner we have is Kevin King, and although he's talented he still has much to prove and the GB staff has all their chips in on him.
holding onto that 14 pick and passing on the underwear Olympic champs of Derwin James, Minkah Fitz, and Denzel Ward (all have very promising careers, don't get it twisted) might just possibly give BG the flexibility to get back into the first round. But as per usual, I know nothing of BGs intentions as none of us do.
Ryan Graham
March 24, 2018 at 01:23 pm
Also,Jackson may not have blown anyone away at the combine, sure. How many players had shit combines and still went on to success in the NFL? Maybe, half the league? Oh wait, you're saying...the GOAT was and is still literally laughed at for his combine??
Get. Over. The combine. Provides zero wins and losses, and zero production between the lines.
The bottom line is he's a smart instinctive football player with an obvious more for the ball. Problem would be if he fits in Pettines system of running more man coverage than anything, but who knows.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 02:40 pm
Who is this GOAT you're speaking about?
Ryan Graham
March 24, 2018 at 03:05 pm
Tom Brady.
ps for the record John, and to many of you that try to belittle others...I value your opinion and enjoy getting your perspective. Part of the reason I read through these comments is to see what other perspectives might be out there, I feel it is important to see things through a different perspective than my own. I've never purposefully tried to belittle you or anyone on this message board. So if I have this is my formal apology. Get it while it's hot
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 04:31 pm
If you ever have, it must've been minor. :) Thank you for the nice reply. I value your opinion as well. I don't mean to belittle anyone either. I do get upset when I see personal attacks that are true personal attacks.
As for Brady, that was about his 40 time and vertical jump. I think he still holds the slowest 40 at 5.28 and vertical record. Those aren't important measurables for a QB. I guess you could argue his lack of speed could speak to escapability issues but that is different than a slow 40 for a CB. I saw a study one time that showed how few CBs ever turn into anything once they dip below a certain 40 time that I believe was above 4.57. I could be wrong on that, but it's somewhere very close to that.
I'm encouraged by Jackson's SPARQ score but his timed speed is alarming. Perhaps, he is one who plays faster with his gear on in game conditions. OR...he could actually be the other way. My only real issue with him is his level of competition. He can only cover the guys he is opposite from but I question if he can cover NFL WR's anywhere near as effectively as he did the slugs he mostly faced in his one breakout year at Iowa.
sonomaca
March 24, 2018 at 02:57 pm
Josh Jackson may slide a bit. Too many questions to use #14.
Big Moe
March 24, 2018 at 02:57 pm
I hope we do draft Jackson, he is an outstanding player, with great range, and sure tackling, on top of that he is a natural ballhawk, and you can't teach that! I doubt he will be there at 14, but if he is, it's (IMO) a huge mistake to not take him. And the last i knew we still live in America so Mike can say whatever the hell he wants, God get over yourselves
Ryan Graham
March 24, 2018 at 04:59 pm
I'm right there with you. I want so bad to like him, but it's hard in some areas for sure. Move up to number 8 overall....they'll get their sure thing....
NickPerry
March 25, 2018 at 05:01 am
The only thing about moving up that far Ryan is the Packers are giving away a lot of draft capital they'll NEED to fill the many other holes. If the Packers can move up in the 3rd round or just acquire more 3rd and 4th rounders with all those 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders then I'm all in.
Moving back to to 21 is a huge jump too.
Ryan Graham
March 25, 2018 at 08:03 am
Nick Perry, I don't think they will have to give up as much as what is led to believe. I'm under the impression they can get up to 8 trading with the Bears giving up the 14th, 76th and 101st overall picks. It sounds like a lot but BG is more than capable of replenishing those picks from the backside.
I agree, the Packers gotta get some depth at a lot of positions particularly CB OL and pass rusher. Personally I don't see the advantage of adding depth underneath as the team sits at the 14 pick. particularly in the secondary. Theres potential HHCD doesnt play for GB next year, is his replacement on the roster already? Just something to consider.
I would rather see the aggressive play made to get a difference maker or even two. I can see BG keep that 14 pick and get back in around 17 or 18 for maybe the 45th, 133 and one of their 6th round picks. Could get two starters. Hes kept his word about being aggressive so far and that would be the aggressive play.
jh9
March 24, 2018 at 03:30 pm
If Josh Jackson would have run a sub-4.5 and if he would have looked fluid in his field drills at the combine, it would have reinforced his tape. But Jackson ran slow and looked awkward.
If I were a GM, I would want my first pick to be the closest to a “sure thing” as possible and Jackson’s combine performance wouldn’t qualify.
IMO, Jackson should be a 2nd round pick.
Lare
March 24, 2018 at 05:15 pm
That was my feeling also. I was really looking forward to watching him do the drills after hearing so much about him and the possibility of being selected by the Packers. But he just didn't look comfortable or athletic and seemed somewhat disinterested.
At any rate, I'm sure the Packers personnel evaluators know much more than any of us do, and if his combine performance was an anomaly they'll select him if they get the chance.
And as a side note, I also though Landry looked a lot better than Davenport.
CAG123
March 24, 2018 at 03:48 pm
If Ward and Jackson are both available at 14 who do you guys think the Packers should pick? Strictly tape don’t let combine performances sway you.
Colin_C
March 24, 2018 at 04:05 pm
Oh, Ward for sure. I've watched both of their tape, and Jackson plays smaller than his size while Ward plays bigger than his. I think Ward would be a better scheme fit as well, since he played almost exclusively man coverage.
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 09:57 pm
I would take Ward, but he'll probably be gone.
Thegreatreynoldo
March 25, 2018 at 05:01 am
Ward. Upvote for Ward.
Downvote me if you prefer Jackson.
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 04:03 pm
Iowa pro day in 2 days. If JJ runs around a 4.4 he'll jump. Maybe he had an off day at the under wear olympics.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 04:38 pm
He won't jump. His time is his time at Indy and will never change. This is an electronic vs. hand timed issue now. Hand timing which I assume will be what is used at his pro day will 100% show him to be faster than he was in Indy but everyone in the NFL community knows that hand timing is always going to make a player look faster than he actually is.
My only question on Jackson is the issue with him originally being reported at 4.49 and then it was adjusted to 4.56. I never read an explanation for why and would like one. Not sure how in electronic timing time would need to be adjusted to .07 slower.
stockholder
March 24, 2018 at 04:46 pm
Lowest, Highest, Then split it.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 05:02 pm
If we do that in Indy, he's 4.58. How do you feel about that? If you're talking highest and lowest hand timed thrown in that doesn't make any sense as it's not an accurate measure. It's Samsonite, I was way off, territory.
His smart move would've been to float an excuse for his poor times in Indy. He had the flu or he had a minor injury...something. Then, if he ran a fast hand timed time there would be aspersions cast upon his electronic time.
He can't run fast...the electronic timer showed that. 4.56 and then when he tried really hard to beat the time that is going to cost him millions he responded with 4.6.
rtuck80
March 25, 2018 at 11:18 am
not sure about electronic time being the only one that counts. when asked about Clinton-Dix slow-ish 40 Thompson replied that's not the time we had for him. who knows
Ryan Graham
March 24, 2018 at 04:55 pm
Ward, but that's a big if. Here's another interesting question - pick one:
Josh Jackson, very good looking tape against middle of the road competition at wideout With average combine results.
Marcus Davenport, some excellent tape against well below average competition at best and ugly tape against average competition, but blew away the combine.
Harold Landry, Very good looking tape against average to above average talent, performing well at the combine.
those 3, realistically speaking, will most likely be available. Im taking Landry
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 05:12 pm
Of those 3...Landry...but I'd be worried about all 3. Landry's big dip in production in his senior year is very alarming. He's not trending the right direction. I know all about the injury stuff and heard him talk about when it happened. He just didn't do it back to back.
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 05:47 pm
He played with an injury. His jr year was a beast.
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 07:10 pm
Again, I don't think you read what I type. I know he had an injury. I know when it occurred if Landry himself is telling the truth. He didn't play the year injured. The injury occurred in the 3rd quarter vs. Louisville...that was Week 7 of the season. He got re-injured the following week and then they decided to shut him down.
Landry himself said during a presser I watched he was injured in the Louisville game. That was in response to a question about his production dip from the previous year. So, it's not like he didn't play over 6.5 games just like the previous year. He bragged about his production in the games before he was injured. I think he amassed stats against some weak sisters if I'm not mistaken last season.
stormin
March 24, 2018 at 08:02 pm
So John, you seem to cut down every prospect people here talk about. Who then o wise one is your pick ?
John Ramble Kirk
March 24, 2018 at 08:18 pm
I've said it several times... COURTLAND SUTTON
Appreciate the kind request.
NickPerry
March 25, 2018 at 05:13 am
To high for him John IMO. I like him a lot too but not at #14. My WR crush is actually James Washington. That dude will be a stud in this league with the right QB and system.
At the end of the day I'm wary of guys who make huge moves up and down draft boards because of combine times. NONE of these guys will run 4.42 on a football field with pads on. They won't be starting from a sprinters stance dressed in spandex. More guys are drafted higher than they should be because of a 40 time.
rtuck80
March 25, 2018 at 11:25 am
how about Leighton Vander Esch in there, another dominant against lesser competition, physical freak player rising up boards late. this is why 14 is such a tough spot. With pick 14 you likely miss out on the top talents but have your choice of the next tier of talent. Trade up or down if you can, either way seems to be better value than sticking at 14, unless Gutey loves one of these guys...
Lare
March 24, 2018 at 06:01 pm
Me also. I had never seen him before but I was really impressed with how well he moved, changed direction, accelerated and followed the instruction of the coaches at the combine. He just looked like a better athlete than most of the rest at his position.
stockholder
March 24, 2018 at 10:41 pm
Josh jackson. Fills more of a need. Landry and Davenport have to much to learn. I would take vita vea first. Thats if Smith,Edmunds,James, and Ward are gone. I still like premium DL.
Bure9620
March 24, 2018 at 04:53 pm
Man lots of hostility on the site, Why can't we just be like the rest of the comment boards on the internet where is everyone is nice to each other???? Haha
"We have one rule on this team, E-L-E, everybody love everybody."
4thand1
March 24, 2018 at 05:49 pm
There's no love in football, like Tom Hanks said, crying? There's no crying in baseball.
EdsLaces
March 24, 2018 at 05:44 pm
I see ya bro...i mean Breaux..
Bure9620
March 24, 2018 at 06:36 pm
EL-ES-YOU EL-ES-YOU
Cubbygold
March 24, 2018 at 07:01 pm
Is he preferable to Hyde?
flackcatcher
March 24, 2018 at 08:39 pm
Maybe a bit quicker than Hyde, but like Hyde is a very smart football player. Has the ability to make snap adjustment on the field and is sound in technique like Hyde. Is an elite athlete, but not flashy. Would be a good and safe pick, might be undervalued with all the flash at DB in this draft. Would be a Thompson pick if ted were still GM.
flackcatcher
March 24, 2018 at 09:05 pm
I remember we were having a similar discussion last year, just before preseason started. I think we should remember that these players are all elite athletes physically. Outside of a few inches and pounds these players do things that are amazing to us fans. NFL teams look for players that fit their system, which is the easy part. The hard part is the mental aspect, can they take what they know, and translate out on the playing field. At the NFL level, every player is a beast, physical skill (with a very few exceptions) is equal across the league. The difference is what scouts call 'football IQ'. The ability to make that mental leap and put it to use in game. We all have seen it. Nelson vs Janis, King vs Brice. That's what the Packers are looking for. The subtle differences that separate a thinking player, from one who merely acts. Scouts and GM who can do that are gold in sports, and it's hard, really hard to do. (As a aside, I really don't think much of film nerds. These guys are more like junkies who need a quick fix of game action, rather than watching and seeing the overall game flow to see how a player adjusts and reacts. In other words, 'football smarts'. Just my little pet peeve....0:)
Colin_C
March 24, 2018 at 09:29 pm
Truth has been spoken.
Samson
March 24, 2018 at 09:48 pm
Can't put this all on the player. --- Coaching plays a huge part. -- That so-called "Football IQ" can be had through exceptional coaching.
Maybe Pettine instead of Capers will increase a few IQs in GB.
Tony Baloney
March 24, 2018 at 09:13 pm
Don't be completely shocked when the Packers take an OT 1st round if Mike McGlinchey is there. He's NFL ready.
Gotta protect the franchise QB.
Bulaga is injury prone. Love the guy but .............
Samson
March 24, 2018 at 10:01 pm
Take him in the 2nd. (trade up a bit) -- He'll probably still be available. -- Or maybe late 1st if the Pack trade down somehow to 25 through 32.
But definitely DO NOT draft this guy at #14. --- He's not a speed guy. He'll never be a speed guy. -- That's a red flag.
# 14 is reserved for Harold Landry or Marcus Davenport.
DD
March 25, 2018 at 08:45 am
Iowa players are tough, except porcelain Balagua. Do Daniels makes a good statement. I'm okay with that, but I say edge rusher first.
DD
March 25, 2018 at 08:45 am
Iowa players are tough, except porcelain Balagua. Do Daniels makes a good statement. I'm okay with that, but I say edge rusher first.
ScaryGary
March 25, 2018 at 04:36 pm
as bulga goes this team goes, he get hurt a lot but he is no morgan burnett/damarious randall at his position
MarkinMadison
March 25, 2018 at 10:38 am
Micah Hyde and Josh Jackson had identical 40 times coming out of Iowa. Similar draft reviews - people saw them as zone corners, not necessarily the best at man-to-man. Both have some ball hawk in them. So what did we get? Four years of the Packers playing Hyde at corner, only to see him go on and become a Pro Bowler for Buffalo. But when people say that they usually leave out the fact that Buffalo moved Hyde to safety.
Last year the Packers took a step in the right direction by drafting King and Josh Jones, two guys with good size and solid 40 times. Picking Jackson at #14 would be a step backwards, unless they think that he is a safety of the future. Then by all means, go ahead and draft him.
ScaryGary
March 25, 2018 at 04:38 pm
hyde is solid as hell but he just like merton hanks, always gets beat deep.
ScaryGary
March 25, 2018 at 04:31 pm
i love big mike more than i love my hawkeyes. i hate to say it but the best cover corner to come out of iowa the last 10+ years is desmond king. i couldn't believe he went in 5th round, he will be better than hayward by end of next year. THE X-FACTOR WITH JACKSON IS HIS BALL SKILLS !!! TWO WAY THREAT. problem is iowa is where receivers go to die, thats why jackson is a cb. only hawkeye I've ever missed on is christian ballard when minnesota got him i was like oh shit. i thought he would be better than clayborn in pros, lol. the way nfl is i think pass rush and qb r only positions that matter, everything else trickles down from that. i would target derwin james, smith(speed), davenport(potential) , vanderesch, landry, or if ridley or sutton has a top five offensive grade. settle for o-line, cb. i hate to say it but steal this year in iowa is isu's own allen lazard. josy jewell could be the best special teams player of all time
ScaryGary
March 25, 2018 at 04:34 pm
i love u mike i gaurentee i was first person to wear ur pack jersey in lambaeu. id never gotten so many compliments for something i wore #rookie year.