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Michael Sam Reportedly Meets with Packers at Missouri Pro Day

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Michael Sam Reportedly Meets with Packers at Missouri Pro Day

Citing a report from ESPN's Shelly Smith, Nate Ulrich of Akron Beacon Journal says the Green Bay Packers met with openly gay outside linebacker/defensive end Michael Sam at Missouri's pro day on Thursday:

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PackersPlanet's picture

Not sure how PC we are around here but let me be the first to ask, if you're a gay dude, in the dudes locker room, that's probably pretty awesome. I mean, if I could dress and shower in the womens locker room I'd be at the gym everyday.

Ibleedgreenmore's picture

I saw some reports they said he is a 5th rounder and has fallen fast.

Birney the baker's picture

What I want to know is did the Packers meet with him openly or did they conduct the meeting in some type of bunker or closed area and try to hide it. Sounds to me they tried to hide it but this Nate Ulrich was doing a little PI/Undercover work.

I also wonder how many openly heterosexual players the Packers met with. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Clay Zombo's picture

I tell you what, if GB gets a 4th round comp pick for Greg Jennings instead of a 3rd, I would like to see them take Michael Sam with that pick. He might fall to the 5th but I doubt he lasts 21 picks into the 5th round.

He looks like a pretty good football player to me, that's all that matters. If his presence makes people feel uncomfortable in the lockerroom, that's no concern of mine.

Stroh's picture

Not interested at all... He did well in college but he lacks the explosiveness and agility to bend the edge in the NFL. He got a lot of sacks becuz teams feared Kony Ealy on the other side a lot more than him. Rarely created his own sacks. Sam is as good as he's gonna get. He doesn't have the skills to beat NFL OT.

I don't think Sam will become a good NFL player and will get washed out of the league by year 4.

Clay Zombo's picture

I appreciate your opinion but I think your wrong. Not about the lack of agility, he is a little stiff but he looks plenty explosive to me, very compact body, long arms for his height, non stop motor, . He would be another hybrid type DE/Rush LB, definitely more leverage and strength than speed and agility though, similar to MIke Neal.(1st yr OLB 5 sacks)

So what if he can't turn the corner as a speed rusher, don't ask him to. Make him set the edge in the run game and bull rush him when he's allowed to pass rush. We need guys that can stop the run too, we do have a good amount of pass rushers on the team, not a lot of good run stuffers .

Were talking 4th or 5th round here, not looking for an all pro at that point just a good football player, anything more than that is just a bonus.

Stroh's picture

Ok... I'll give you might be a decent role player. But 34 OLB need to be more playmakers than role players. Either way, maybe he can be a good ST player and backup OLB. But that sounds more like Mulumba, who I would say has higher upside than Sam does.

Clay Zombo's picture

If we were still talking about a straight 3-4 defense before MM decided we needed to be more multiple I would agree with you but I see us going with more even fronts 4-3 or 4-4 so we can get the most out of guys like Neal, Perry, Daniels, Worthy and even guys like Mulumba who are more 4-3 DEs and DTs than base 3-4 DEs or OLBs.

The most important thing to me McCarthy said about the changes on defense was about playing more to the strengths of his players and if that really proves to be true than we will see a lot more D line guys on the field playing different roles than were used to with the 3-4.

Stroh's picture

Don't know that it'll be more 4 DL but you might see a lot of different alignments w/ 3 DL and 4 LB. Sometimes Peppers, Neal and Perry will be in a 3 point stance along w/ DL guys like Daniels, Worthy and Jones. I would say more varied defensive fronts might be the best way to describe it. If a Peppers or Perry playing an elephant end spot, happen to have a hand in the dirt, it might technically be a 4 man front but its still just a wrinkle to the 34.

Last year it was still a lot of just 2 DL and 2 OLB in passing situations. Maybe that was due to injuries to some degree, but it was almost a given that in passing situations we would be in a 2 DL/2 OLB front, that wont be the case this year.

Clay Zombo's picture

Nice interpretation of the expected changes. Frankly I don't see why they can't use both 3-4 and 4-3 concepts with the types of players we have on the Dline.

Technically a 4-3 or not its still 4 defensive lineman on the field at times and that's all that matters to me. I see the defense being more athletic, more explosive and I hope more aggressive in the front 7.

In the old defense Capers would never allow guys like Nick Perry to put his hand in the dirt as an OLB but then you would see Dom stand a guy up like Worthy who had no business rushing from a 2 pt stance at all. It just all seemed so backwards to me.

Was Capers just being stubborn and not wanting to change his defense or is he incapable of recognizing a players stengths and weaknesses?

Stroh's picture

I don't care about whether or not Perry has his hand in the dirt or not, same for Neal. Both are more OLB than DL in the Packers scheme. What I want to see is Perry rushing the QB from the Right side. He's very good rushing on that side, not nearly as much from the left. Matthews played LOLB in '10 and had his best sack year there, he can play either side. Move Peppers around on the DL and move Matthews around at LB and they are far more "multiple" than last year and that doesn't include Neal rushing from DT. If they get Mosley or Shazier in the draft the ILB position is fixed and gives them great speed and playmaking there too.

There's a lot of moveable pieces in the front 7, especially if they get Mosley or Shazier.

Birney the baker's picture

You sound like a gay basher Stroh. You better watch your mouth with how you talk about him.. You don't think this, you don't think that blah blah blah. You only say this about him because what you know about his sexuality. Yes Stroh, it's gay bashing.

Personally if I am Teddy Tee I would stay away from not because I am a gay basher like Stroh is but because Sam is a walking team and media circus distraction waiting to happen for the team that picks him up.

Being the the Jackie Robinson of gay NFL players is something I don't want this Packers team to be a part of. Let some other schmuck team like the Lions, Bears or Vikings deal with the year round circus.

The Packers are a super bowl contender and this guy is not what they need. They need to stay focused. Talking about gay issues is not one of those issues they need this year. Nobody cares except the media who is trying to create a story when their isn't any.

The only thing I can see being a problem with the players on the Packers and Sam is when they shower together. That would be a major problem for heterosexual men. It just is. Any guy this could cause a problem like that should not be on our team. We need each and every player focused god damnit!!

Evan's picture

Seriously, dude, this bullshit again?

Birney the baker's picture

What bullshit you talking about. This is what's going to happen. That's my point!! Sam is going to cause divisivness with people and that is a distraction!! Hello Evan!! You see how one man's opinion has now ticked you off!! You'll have 50% for and 50% against. Hmm. reminds me of 2008. Do you really want to go thru another year like that? I don't.

Evan's picture

You are completely incapable of talking about this without sounding like a total idiot. Whether or not that's your intention, I don't know, but you should know that.

Birney the baker's picture

Evan, than talk about it instead of whining. I want to hear your opinion. Why am I an idiot for saying that players will be uncomfortable taking a shower with him when they know that guy is gay. You do know what gay means Evan right? Let me explain it to you. That means they get sexually aroused with the same sex. You go ahead Evan. You go take a shower with 45 gay men and see if that doesn't make you slightly uncomfortable. Oh I am sure you being the great politically correct guy would not have a problem doing that. Right!!

That's the reality Evan. Mr Sam by announcing he's "openly gay" and by members of the media like Mr. Carriveau also reminding us he's an "openly gay outside linebacker/defensive end rather than just a outside linebacker/defensive end and you are going to have some issues totally unrelated to football and because of that it is my opinion that the Packers just totally stay away from even thinking of drafting the guy.

If you think I am an idiot for saying this than so be it. It's my opinion. You don't have to call people names.

Stroh's picture

Apparently your not very tuned into the facts! The Reality is, ALL of Sam's teammates at Mizzou knew of his sexuality last year and it was never an issue in the college lockerroom/shower. So what makes you think the NFL lockerroom/shower is any different than a college one?!

Just proving AGAIN you don't know much about facts here...

Birney the baker's picture

Is your name Evan? Did I ask you to comment? No I didn't so please don't butt in. No pun intended.

I want to hear from Evan. You "Stroh" if that's what you want to call yourself these days I don't care to hear about because you are an annoying twit!! who's also happens to be openly assinine. It is my opinion you are a gay basher based on what you said and how you said it without actually saying it. If you don't like it I can't help that.

Stroh's picture

Your an ill informed homophobe! I stated facts that are contrary to you ill informed opinion. That says everything about you! My perfect cogent point was in reference to your ill informed one, it just so happens that your point is already proven wrong and you don't like it so you attacked me. You sensing a theme here? Pretty sure everyone else is.

"It is my opinion you are a gay basher based on what you said and how you said it without actually saying it."

So now you know what I'm saying w/o saying? Get your head outta your Ass.

Last I checked this is a free country, and a comment board to discuss the Packers and Football.

You opinion about what I said is about as idiotic as your opinion about Sam's sexuality. Keep digging that hole for yourself!

Stroh's picture

Hey Dumb Ass... I didn't say a damn thing about his sexual persuasion, and I could give a damn if he's straight, gay, bi or whatever!

"I think" is stating MY OPINION. Its like the Bahktiari thing. I said I don't care who starts and I didn't think Bahktiari had the job locked down. Somehow you in your delusion equated it to me loving Sherrod. Get you head straight!

Your the one makes statements of fact when they're NOT and talking about Sam's sexuality, not me!

Homophobe much?!!

Birney the baker's picture

One other thing I just thought of. Sam could play for the Packers I guess if the Packers can unretire Brett's personal shower and dressing room that he was only entitled to use. I don't know if you guys remember but there was this rumor Brett had his own little "area" at Lambeau where he dressed, shat and showered by himself. Yes, someone even said he had a gold plated toilet seat but never got confirmation if that was true or not.

If the Packers can give that up to Sam than I don't see him being a problem. He dresses away from the rest of the team. On the road they put up a tarp so he can't see the other players etc. No different than if a woman was on the team. Win win!! Of course if they do that than some lawyer will sue the Packers for discrimination and segregation. Ah forget it. You see, this is why I don't think Sam would be a good fit for Green Bay. Just too much trouble and baggage that goes along with him.

Clay Zombo's picture

At least Stroh kept it about football.

What the hell do you care if a bunch of overpaid kids playing a game for a living have to endure showering with a gay man. Its none of your concern. It may be a big deal for a little bit in the media but it will pass.

You make it sound like Sam is gonna be sitting there naked drooling at the sight of all the shlongs in the room. I think maybe that says more about you than anything. Homophobic much?

Birney the baker's picture

What do I care? It's none of my concern? Really Zombo!! Well I just happen to be one of the OWNERS OF THE TEAM!! I have my stock on my wall that says it so your damn right I care!!

I care about winning and winning only. I don't care to being the trend setter for gay football players. The Vikings, Lions and Bears can be the team to do that.

This isn't about what Sam thinks about the players sexually while taking a shower with them. This is about how all the heterosexual players feel about showering with a gay man now that they know he's "openly gay". Men are men. They haven't changed in thousands of years. I can tell you that I would be majorly uncomfortable if I was showering with 45 "openly gay" men and my performance on the field would probably be affected simply because that would bother me that my employer put me in that situation and I would dread going to work knowing I have to "take a shower" when it's over with.

I am telling you it's going to be a huge distraction and one the Packers do not need. The straight players have just as much a right to be comfortable in the workplace as Sam does being openly gay. As an owner of this team I don't even want to think about having to deal with this ridiculous situation. Until my stock gets taken away I have a right to voice my opinion. I vote no to Sam.

My guess is the Packers are just doing the politically correct thing by meeting with him to make it appear on the PR front that they are diverse and at least willing to take on a gay player but the truth is they have no desire to touch this guy with a ten foot pole. Teddy Tee more times than not drafts guys that they never ever talk too as they don't want other teams to know they are interested. That's why Ted is the best.

Stroh's picture

I think the Packers won't be interested due to the fact he's just not a very good player. All Sams teammates at Mizzou knew about his sexuality before his final college season and it wasn't an issue for them. Why do you think it will be such a huge issue in an NFL lockerroom if it wasn't in college?!

The media will bring it up for a game or 2 and then it'll die. It won't be a huge issue, it'll be a ripple on the pond for a couple games.

If you feel that strongly about how you would feel than say everything about you.

4thand1's picture

If Clowney was gay I'd sure wish he'd fall to 21. I heard Sam sucks, oops, I meant as a football player. Lmfao, So will fans have to stop yelling ,"YOU SUCK", if a lot more players come out as being gay?

4thand1's picture

Ha, some of you missed the point. If a super star player was a serial killer you'd be happy to have him on your team, if he got 20+ sacks and was a dominant force on the field. Or a QB throwing 50 td's and only 2 picks. But if its an average Joe who is gay it'll be , "we don't want him, to many distractions".

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

I probably shouldn't comment here, because I admit to being ignorant on this issue. I do have a comment & a question. I'm not sure all the above comments are accurate. they may be, but I'm not sure they are.

My comment would be that the NFL will more likely than not have to deal with this more & more as the years go on. I'm sure more & more players will admit to being gay. That's the way it seems to be going in the country, so why should the NFL be any different. Both players & fans will have to accept it.

My question is this, & I posed this question to a friend, & he couldn't answer it, but said it was a good question. I don't know anyone who is Gay. This is why I questioned the above posters comments. "Are Gay men attracted to all men, or just other Gay men? I hope it's an Honest Question. I mean No Bashing of any kind. Just asking a question? , Not knowing the lifestyle.

Stroh's picture

I guess the only people that can answer that question is gay man. Being that there are bisexual people I would think the answer is yes they can be attracted to straight men, but that is just a guess.

Birney the baker's picture

Tom, that is a good question and I am sure Stroh can answer it since he's an expert.

If I were to guess I would say gay people are no different than straight. People are attracted to people that are attractive according to whatever rocks their boat. If I was in the women's locker room showering with all the women I am sure I would have my favorites and others I would not find attractive but make no mistake about it, Sam's mere presence will make a lot of these young men uncomfortable.

It's one thing to "think" someone is gay but it's another when the person comes out and says it then you have to shower next to the guy. You will always wonder what the dude is thinking. Again, uncomfortable workplace environment and that's not a good thing but I do think it can be solved with a separate shower and dressing area for Sam to whatever team he goes too along with putting up a tarp during road games.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Wow. I didn't find anything remotely homophobic in Stroh's posts. Tom B's accusation of bigotry seems unjust and without any foundation. Tom Hoffman is probably right to write that there is likely to be more openly gay players in the future. I don't know what the dynamics are in a NFL locker room, but the NFL is just going to have to find ways to deal with this issue.

Birney the baker's picture

James, that's because you don't know him like I do. I've known this idiot "Stroh" for over several years now. He goes under different names depending on what board he goes too but the one thing that doesn't change is how he talks. He's a cyber bully and I want it to stop.

Now as to your comment about the NFL dealing with more gay people. I already gave you my idea about separate locker rooms for gays and straights and putting up tarps on the road games to shield the players from each other in case the other team doesn't have appropriate accommodations.

No different than women and men dressing separately. Why should a man have to dress with another man simply because he also has a penis.

If he's gay they should be separated end of story.

Stroh's picture

NO... You CLEARLY don't know me! I've used Stroh or Strohman on EVERY Packers comment board I've EVER been on!

You should just shut up already. But hey, I always appreciate having a personal troll. Just means I know a lot more than they do and they're jealous.

"If he's gay they should be separated end of story." Then why wasn't it an issue at Mizzou when everyone of his teammates knew his sexual orientation? You've never answered that question yet!

Every time you open your mouth lately you make yourself look more like a fool. Aren't you getting tired of it?

Birney the baker's picture

Enough with your lies. You can tell me anything you want too but your personality and how you talk is what gives you away. Your name is secondary. Cow goes by a million names yet people recognize him instantly because the one thing he can't change is how he talks and his opinions. You are no different moron!!

As for his college days, he didn't come out you idiot!! Maybe a lot of players assumed he was but he never got on a podium and announced it to the world until after his playing days in college were over. Read up on it again you twit!!

There's a huge difference in thinking someone is gay vs. actually knowing 100% he's gay. The fact he's "openly gay" is what changes the game for all those straight guys in that locker room. Stroh, maybe you can get a job holding up the Sam's tarp. Just try not to peek.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Tom B., I try to stay neutral on this post whatever the subject. I agree with some of everyone's opinions, & I disagree with some of everyone's opinions. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are trying to say here, but you shouldn't, IMO try to speak for everyone. Maybe someone should ask Sam how he feels about it. I'm sure it can't be a comfortable situation for him either. This is a subject that is best left up to the NFL & the players. The time could very well have come when maybe 20%, 10 players on a team might be Gay. At this point no one knows, but I have to believe, that at some point in the future, it will be known. As I've said, I'm ignorant to this situation, & my comment & $1.20 might get you a cup of coffee. Maybe Gay's don't feel comfortable with Straights. I can't see this from a Gay perspective, but maybe that's where those of us who are not Gay could learn how they look on this issue. Unfortunately, on this post, there is a lot of different opinions & Bad Language that is used. I don't like it, but until something changes, it will continue. As I've said a number of times, I'm No One's enemy here, & try to evaluate everyone's opinion, including Yours & Strohs. In both cases, I agree with some stuff, & disagree whole heartedly with others. IMO Tom, you shouldn't be speaking out on this subject, or at least gather more information before you do. At some point, this issue will resolve itself, without anyone's help on this post. If this issue is going to be addressed or debated, the Gay perspective needs to be included, at least I think so. JMO

Birney the baker's picture

Tom, you asked a question and I gave you my opinion from a non gay's perspective and yes, I do speak for the majority of non gays. You also asked for a gay man's opinion and got one from Stroh who's has countless hours experience working with naked/half naked men in men's lockerooms touching and rubbing them etc as a personal trainer. He has mentioned this many many times in the past so this is nothing new. Why he got fired from his job and is now down to degrading people on Packers sites, I don't know but Stroh gave you the answer from the other side.

I think he said it all when he said that some gay men are attracted to straight guys and others they are not. I think it's pretty common sense to be honest. Just like you and I are attracted to certain females. Me, I like brunettes with huge chests. I hate blondes. Everyone has a preference. Stroh has his taste in men I am sure and that's ok, I don't care if he's gay or not. My point is everyone is attracted to certain people mostly by physical appearance first. I can even be attracted to a lesbian but I wouldn't they are a lesbian unless I was told they were.

LAS VEGAS-TOM's picture

Tom B., Your reply to me was respectful, I appreciate that. What is between You & Stroh, is between you & him. For the Record, I am
LAS VEGAS-TOM. Tom, I too spoke out on this issue, in somewhat of a different way, but it was to your thinking, only in a different way. I felt at the time that this was a Union issue, & a matter for the Players Union to vote on. I felt that as a Union Member everyone should have a say in this. Well, I was told in No Uncertain Terms, that the Non-Gay players had nothing to say on this issue. I'm retired, but I posed the question to one of my former Union Reps, & to my surprise, I was WRONG. This is Not a Union Issue for a vote. This issue falls under the discrimination clause in the Players Union Contract. Tom, Like IT Or Not, under current law, regardless of whether you are speaking for the Majority of Non-Gay's, & regardless of how you personally feel, if you call for Separate Showers for Gay's & Straights, you are, I Hate to say it, Guilty of Discrimination. This is why I tried telling you to be careful about speaking out on this issue. The Majority in this instance, cannot impose their will on the Minority. I know you may not accept this, but as I was told, This is not a Gender issue. This is a Discrimination Issue, & it falls under that clause in the Unions Contract. What you are calling for, may happen in the future, probably not in my lifetime, IMO it won't happen until & if the Minority wants it. Whether it's, Gay Rights, Civil Rights, or Nativity Scenes at Christmas, that's the way this Country was set up. The Majority cannot impose their will on the Minority. I personally don't agree with the Gay Lifestyle, but I am trying to see their side of this. This issue has to be very uncomfortable for someone who is Gay. Anyway, as I've said before, I try to see & evaluate everyone's view point.
I very much understand your views on this. Never the less Tom, once again, whether you like it or not, this is a Discrimination issue.

Birney the baker's picture

Hi Tom, I have no problem with you whatsoever and can discuss this issue with anyone except Mr. Strohkinoff. I have no doubt you are correct and that if they set up separate showers that the Packers would get their asses sued by the Gay Rights League or Sams himself. Definitely a discrimination issue I agree. Just look at you and I who differ somewhat on this situation. It's a giant headache as to how a team is going to please majority nongay players vs. one or two gay players on the team. I agree, the minority always effin wins out in pretty much every case now. It doesn't matter what the majority thinks. One whiner complains and the courts side with the one guy over a million. It's why this country is going down the tubes.

I just like to discuss issues like this. Love controversy and the back and forth banter that goes along with it minus Mr. Strohkinoff. At least you are man enough to add an opinion on this issue. Look at all the homophobes out there afraid to even touch on the subject. We're unfortunately losing our masculinity Tom more and more. We now wear pink uniforms for the first month of the season which I honestly loathe and my my mother did have breast cancer. I don't care!! This is a man's sport and feminizing it by allowing pink, turning tackle more into touch and now gay players will soon gain more and more power. I have to tell you Tom, I am slowly losing my passion for this game as the years go by. I predict in ten years the NFL will be touch football league. I really believe that.

Stroh's picture

I am and have always been Stroh/Strohman.

Again YOUR The idiot! Sam got up in front of all his Mizzou teammates in a team meeting prior to the start of last season and told them he was gay. He didn't "come out" publicly, but he did PRIVATELY to his teammates.

Your are just soo wrong on every front its getting hilarious! Do you really like being seen as a FOOL?! Cuz that's what everyone thinks of you right now.

Right about now, everyone thinks your an ignorant homophobe! Deal w/ that...

Birney the baker's picture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Sam

Hey numbnut, read the third paragraph out loud for everyone than come back here and apologize to me for being the idiot and fool ONCE AGAIN!!

Let me just quote what it says as I know you are too much of a coward to admit you don't know what you are talking about.

"After completing his college football career, Sam publicly came out as gay."

Now what about about after completing his football career don't you understand. Next!!

4thand1's picture

You're right Tom, he came after his college career was over. (publically) Stroh is right that he came out (privately ) to his teammates before his senior year. They are 2 totally different things. Hell his own father didn't know until the end of the season, but his teammates did. End of story.

Birney the baker's picture

I go by Wikipedia as my bible for information. Anything from Stroh or any b.s. link he provides is just that.. b.s.. Wikipedia said nothing about his privately coming out to his teammates. End of story and I'll expect but won't get a public or private apology from Hartman or whatever his latest name is.

Stroh's picture

Well there's another one of your problems! Wikipedia is a poor source of real info. Its a bunch of people, really anyone, can make a note on Wiki, but its really a poor source of specific information.

No wonder we cant get any good info out of you!

Stroh's picture

There you go AGAIN! Do you know the difference between "public" and "Private"? Apparently NOT. He came out PUBLICLY after last year, but he came out PRIVATELY to his teammates BEFORE last year!

Don't worry I won't be waiting for an apology from someone who's proven himself to be an ignorant homophobe!

Stroh's picture

Everyone is talking about RB's. Time to take a step back and realize that Lacy, Starks, Harris and Franklin are RB's, but Kuhn is a FB. Different positions with different responsibilities.

FB's are a dying breed but some teams still utilize them, the Packers are one of those teams. Its completely immaterial to talk about Kuhn running the ball, its not his job. That's a job for one of the RB's. As a FB, you need to be a good or better blocker. Kuhn is easily the best pass blocker and while he isn't a punishing run blocker he does block the right guy every down. A FB also needs to be a ST core player, a la William Henderson, who played on ST his entire career. Do any of the RB's contribute anything on ST? No, not at all... They tried to give the KR job to Franklin but he was terrible. I suspect they'll try Harris at KR this year, but we don't know how he'll do.

Kuhn's value is a blocker and ST player. Those are the roles of a FB. What this come down to is if McCarthy/Thompson who will make the decision jointly put enough value on Kuhn as a pass blocker, lead run blocker and ST player.

Personally, I think he gets a one year deal for 1M and is on the team next year for those roles which he is best at and are part of a FB's job description.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

I tend to agree Kuhn gets a 1 yr deal for $1 million or maybe less and makes the team. Kuhn clearly does some positive things (which you outlined in your post). MM and TT will decide whether he is worth a roster spot. I have a lower opinion of his value than some of the commenters, but at least IMO Kuhn will be active on game days if he is re-signed, and that's worth something. For me, it might come down to who the other last few cuts are so I can compare Kuhn to those players' potential. GB might wait to re-sign Kuhn to see what the draft and UDF agency brings. One of the more interesting decisions TT & MM will make.

Stroh's picture

I think if they bring him back that it'll be before training camp. They would want his veteran presence and leaderhip around for the offseason program and minicamps.

They can sign him bring him in for the offseason and then could release him on the last cuts. It does come down to how much they value the FB position. Not bringing him in during the offseason could be a sign that they are also going to move forward w/o a true FB.

And your right, it could come down to who else the last players are at cutdown time.

Stroh's picture

Everyone is talking about RB's. Time to take a step back and realize that Lacy, Starks, Harris and Franklin are RB's, but Kuhn is a FB. Different positions with different responsibilities.

FB's are a dying breed but some teams still utilize them, the Packers are one of those teams. Its completely immaterial to talk about Kuhn running the ball or even touching the ball, its not his job. That's a job for one of the RB's. As a FB, you need to be a good or better blocker. Kuhn is easily the best pass blocker and while he isn't a punishing run blocker he does block the right guy every down. A FB also needs to be a ST core player, a la William Henderson, who played on ST his entire career. Do any of the RB's contribute anything on ST? No, not at all... They tried to give the KR job to Franklin but he was terrible. I suspect they'll try Harris at KR this year, but we don't know how he'll do.

Kuhn's value is a blocker and ST player. Those are the roles of a FB. What this comes down to is if McCarthy/Thompson (who will make the decision jointly) put enough value on Kuhn as a pass blocker, lead run blocker and ST player.

Personally, I think he gets a one year deal for 1M and is on the team next year for those roles which he is best at and are part of a FB's job description.

Birney the baker's picture

Again showing your arrogance by posting the same thing twice to hog up space and to make some type of sick statement that you are the only person worth reading.. Shut up.. dummy!!

Fred G. Stanford - The G stands for GO AWAY.. DUMMY!!

Stroh's picture

Your just being a personal troll. The 2nd one I've had. I consider it a compliment that you make me such a huge part of your existence, tho I also find it creepy.

Its wasn't a double post btw. I edited the first comment and submitted it again. Why it showed up twice I don't know.

Birney the baker's picture

By Strohkinoff, "I don't know".

Exactly!!

jeremyjjbrown's picture

You guys need to chill out.

Stroh's picture

Tell him that... He puts my name in every comment he makes. He's shown to be wrong and a homophobe. I just pointed out facts that ruined his little minds world.

Birney the baker's picture

He did tell me that you moron!! What part about YOU GUYS don't you understand. Now shut up and quit your whining.. Nobody cares to hear you or my complaints. Take your beating by me like the man you aren't.

Stroh's picture

Oh I fully understood it was intended for both. However I'm not the one that's obsessed and has to use me in EVERY ONE of your idiotic comments! Your the one acting like a personal TROLL, a ignorant, homophobic troll at that!

Anyone w/ a little common sense can see you've started and continue to start something. I'm not starting anything, just have pointed out how you've been WRONG time and again! Your the one who started all this pettyiness and the one perpetuating it. I didn't start it but you can be sure I'll Finish it!

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