Mediation Ends; No Reported Progress
The NFL and the former players union left federal mediation in Minneapolis today without being anywhere nearer an agreement.
By PackerAaron
The NFL and the former NFLPA concluded their two day federal mediation session without any reported progress being made. Earlier reports of an offer being made by the league last night seemed to have dissipated. Indeed, Albert Breer of the NFL Network reports what the league gave to the players was as simplistic as "a bullet-pointed overview" rather than a comprehensive offer.
One point of interest to come out of today's session was the fact that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, former NFLPA President DeMaurice Smith and U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan took a short break late this morning to leave and go have lunch together. While Goodell and Smith have spoken throughout, this is the sort of thing the process has long needed more of - and if it takes a freekin' Judge to make it happen, so be it.
The next round of mediated talks are scheduled for June 7th, directly after the appeals court hearing in St. Louis regarding the lockout. However, its highly unlikely those talks will start under circumstances much different to today, as we've seen how slowly the 8th Circuit works over the course of the last few weeks waiting for a ruling on the permanent stay issue.
There's always a chance - and I truly hope its more than just that - that the sides could make inroads to an agreement before any of this occurs.
But, again, with the likes of Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder - and De Smith - involved, I'm not holding my breath.
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Comments (9)
May 17, 2011 at 04:38 pm
Dear NFL Owners & Players:
It's not like there's nothing *else* to spend money on while you guys bicker over the money that we have not yet given you. Honestly, we'd rather send it to you in exchange for the entertainment your game gives us. But rest assured, if you don't figure this crap out, you will lose money. We may be loyal and devoted fans, but when you don't put product out, we don't put money out.
Sincerely,
Your fans.
P.S. If the 2011 product you put out is crap, we're going to spend less in 2012. Just ask the NBA.
May 17, 2011 at 04:44 pm
I am beginning to see the season is at risk.
May 17, 2011 at 07:22 pm
I'm saying 8 games, maximum.
May 17, 2011 at 11:34 pm
I can tell you one thing, I am a huge Packer fan born and raised in Green Bay, and I will not watch football ever again if they cut more than 1/4 of the season. If these players and owners can not see the fact that they have a good thing going soon enough to save the season I will be done with them.
May 17, 2011 at 11:55 pm
I'm willing to riot if they get too far into this.
May 18, 2011 at 11:03 am
Take Goodell, Smith, and U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan lock them in a room together and not let them out till they have a new CBA!!! This is crap!!!
May 18, 2011 at 11:51 am
Don't hit the panic button yet. They're meeting again in 7 days. Scratch that, on June 10th. Start sending e-mail complaints to the owners. They have the leverage right now. When the leverage switches send your complaints to the NFLPA.
May 25, 2011 at 12:11 pm
The most recent news and twitter rumours have the NFL coaches filing a brief in the Brady v NFL suit.
If the coaches were to organize as a labor union/association, there seems little reason to think that they would not be able to gain a seat at the table in the Collective Bargaining agreement negotiation process. If I had a client who was a coach I would be advising him right now to be getting on the horn with his buddies across the league to talk about organizing into a union. This is especially true for those coaches who are currently seeing their pay reduced by teams in the course of the lockout.
Arguably, there are NFL coaches who add as much or more value to the game as some of the players. There are a couple of indications of this. First, follow the money. Pay for head coaches and many key coordinators exceeds many player salaries. The importance of coaching in the game of professional football itself is its own key indicator of the value of coaching. No where else in organized sports is game planning so important as we see it manifested in the NFL. Players must not only be coached up to enhance and maximize their skills and utility in the game, but coaching is responsible for identifying those strengths and unique skills among players to devise and implement plays and game plans for teams to achieve success in games. There is no doubt that there is significant value added by coaching in the NFL as we know it.
There is no reason to think that coaches could not organize as another NFL labor component. We see multiple components of labor represented throughout industry. Airline travel sees separate unions for pilots, ground crews, and I believe flight attendants. In the more closely related entertainment film industry we see unions for actors and screenwriters among others. Is there a union for “Key Grips?” Basically, it shouldn’t surprise us if another labor component wants to organize and negotiate for a piece of this cash prize which is the current NFL.
As a fan, is the prospect of a union for coaches good or bad?
First, if it is the wage cutbacks by ownership that provides the impetus for coaches to unionize, that would likely to fall under the category of “unintended consequences” I would think. Adding more parties to the labor negotiations will only serve to make them more complex and probably more difficult to resolve. These labor negotiations are already filled with complex forces at work because there are 32 owners trying to come to an agreement from an employers’ perspective and 1600 or so players with a diverse set of skills and corresponding range of value to the game. In that way I believe it would also tend to serve to reduce the bargaining power of all the parties in the CBA negotiations. I would expect a greater negative effect to the other labor components negotiating, though. In other words, I believe that most of the bargaining power gained by the coaches through unionizing would be at the expense of the NFLPA.
As an outsider, if I were to speculate I would predict the following likely outcomes from the Coaches unionizing:
+ The coaches would gain a seat at the table and a significant increase in bargaining power.
+ The NFLPA would lose some bargaining power at the CBA negotiation table. They would remain the most critical labor component, but a clear slice of the revenue pie would go to coaches creating pressure to reduce the portion of revenue to player, even if marginally so.
+ If the mere presence of the coaches at the bargaining table would make negotiations more complex, I would expect that it would tend to cause the NFLPA to move away from the courts and to the bargaining table sooner rather than later if for no other reason than to maintain and assert their position in negotiating a CBA. However, in my experience, a parties that are hell-bent on litigating will in fact litigate until they are satisfied or their alternatives (or maybe resources) are exhausted.
As a fan, I want to see football. I believe that the key to seeing NFL football sooner rather than later is the completion of a CBA. Litigation ultimately will not yield a solution that is good for anybody (which is a discussion to itself for another day). The appearance of another labor component, in this instance the coaches, in the CBA process may be the impetus to bring on serious discussions needed to resolve the CBA and put games on in the NFL. But then, maybe I am just being optimistic.
PackerAaron
May 25, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Fantastic breakdown Matthew. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with optimism. Goodness knows its been in short supply lately...