Leave Overtime Alone
The argument is that too many overtime games are ending in quick field goals without the opposing team getting a chance to score. Asinine, says Aaron.
By PackerAaron
One of the story lines coming out of the NFL owners meetings down in Orlando this week is a phantom-like push to change the rules of Overtime. I say "Phantom-like" because I can't quite wrap my head around who exactly is pushing for the change. Near as I can tell Peter King, amplified by his Monday Morning Quarterback column, is the leading cheerleader.
The argument is that too many overtime games are ending in quick field goals without the opposing team getting a chance to score.
I can't tell you how asinine I find this line of thinking to be.
First of all, the other team had a chance to score. For four quarters. The fact that they couldn't do it more often than the opposing team before the end of regulation does not mean that all of a sudden the NFL should be required to become a kindergarten class. What's next? I got it! How about, in the 4th quarter, whichever team is behind on the scoreboard gets FIVE downs to get a first down, instead of four.
Just play some freakin' defense, ok? "But Aaron...with a decent return, all a team needs is three or four first downs and they're in field goal range!" Mon dieu! I'm sorry, but if your defense is weak enough that it allows three or four first downs in a row, then you deserve to lose in overtime. You should have been more aggressive on offense in regulation. Teams are built a certain way - if you are so scared to death you're going to lose on a field goal in overtime, hire a defensive-minded head coach, spend the next 5 years drafting and signing nothing but defensive players and become a defensive powerhouse. But for the love of all that is Holy, STOP whining about how "easy" it is for the offense to score.
OK, I'm getting worked up. I could go on and on but I won't bore you with any more commentary about an already boring topic. But I just had to get down, for the record, how unbelievably stupid I think the whole discussion is.
UPDATE: And in an act of obvious serendipity, the NFL passed the new overtime rule, for the postseason only, this afternoon. They will revisit the topic in May and may extend for the entire season.
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Comments (37)
March 23, 2010 at 03:02 pm
For me, it's not so much about fairness as it is about entertainment value. I don't want to see some kicker making-or-breaking 2 teams' seasons in the playoffs. If changing the rules prevents that, I'm all for it. This proposed rule change doesn't do that, though, so I agree, it stinks.
PackerAaron
March 23, 2010 at 03:05 pm
Kicking a football through the uprights (or not, as the case may be) is as much a part of football as anything else.
March 23, 2010 at 03:09 pm
I know it's a part of football, Aaron, I just don't think the guys who actually go through 2-a-days should have their seasons pinned to some 150 lb guy's mental state.
There's not really a solution for that problem though, so they should just leave it alone.
March 23, 2010 at 03:07 pm
packsmack25, see my post below for a more elaborate response. However, in short, WIN THE GAME IN REGULATION AND THIS WON'T BE AN ISSUE.
March 23, 2010 at 03:03 pm
100% agree. Also, the fact that they are considering changes ONLY for the playoffs is quite mind boggling. Why in the world would you want to change the rules for the playoffs alone?
March 26, 2010 at 02:50 am
Exacty - the issue is, if you are going to mess with it - then, do it for all games and make it so both sides have the same opportunities.
It shouldn't matter if they score a TD or FG - just make sure both sides get a chance at the ball in OT, then let it fall where they may.
This smacks of smoochin' the bookies.
March 23, 2010 at 03:05 pm
Couldn't agree with you more Aaron. It's ridiculous that THIS is the big talk in the owner's meeting rather than getting a new CBA done. Do the owners even care? And you're absolutely right that the whole "it's not fair that we didn't get a chance to score" is nothing more than a rendition of some kindergarden repertoire.
March 23, 2010 at 03:05 pm
What Aaron said.
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I would also like to remind those who are in favor of changing overtime that there are 3 aspects to an NFL game: offense, defense and special teams. Proponents of drastic overtime change seem to forget this. As Packer fans, I would hope we would have intimate understanding that winning the coin toss does not = automatic OT win.
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Further, this notion that a game is "won or lost because of a coin toss" is patently absurd and is a slap in the face to the 4 quarters preceding overtime. Growing up, my coaches used to tell us two things: "don't bitch about referees and don't bitch about 'bad luck.'" Unless the example is especially egregious, if you're complaining the game was decided by referees or luck (read, a coin toss) then you should didn't take care of business during the other hundreds of plays that occurred during the game.
March 23, 2010 at 05:45 pm
Personally, I think the refs deciding the outcomes of games is by far a bigger issue than the coin toss in overtime.
March 23, 2010 at 03:09 pm
I like the sudden death factor in overtime.
I think if it was the first team to score a TD it would make overtime more exciting. Basically eliminate field goals in OT. Fans watch to see touchdowns anyway. If a defense lets the other team get the ball and march right down the field they deserve to lost the game.
There would be more situations where teams would go for it on 4th down which I think is fun to watch.
March 23, 2010 at 03:19 pm
I would advocate for keeping everything the same as it is now - except I would do the OT coin toss at the beginning of the game so everybody knows who gets the ball first in OT . Then they can plan accordingly all game long.
March 23, 2010 at 03:20 pm
A coin flip to decide who gets the ball in a sudden death situation has never made me happy.
Picture penalty kicks in soccer being sudden death starting with the first kick and flipping a coin to decide who gets to shoot first.
I've always felt that each team should get the ball at least once in overtime. If still tied after that, then it's sudden death.
March 23, 2010 at 03:44 pm
Actually, I think Aaron Rodgers has the right idea about overtime:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkzvuZLkdg
March 23, 2010 at 03:44 pm
1) Clever PR ploy by the owners to have this headline discussion instead of what's really important. I'd rather see a SB decided by an OT FG than not see ANY SB because of a lockout.
2) I like the idea proposed by ESPNMilwaukee's Homer, just move the OT kickoff back up to the 35.
March 23, 2010 at 03:51 pm
I suggest a THUNDERDOME RULE.
Each team picks a contender...two will enter
ONE WILL LEAVE...
Thunderdome is the new law..
(cue Tina...'we don't need anuthah herrroooh'...)
PackerAaron
March 23, 2010 at 04:07 pm
This, clearly, is the best idea.
March 24, 2010 at 01:12 am
I knew you'd like that one.
March 23, 2010 at 03:58 pm
I look at the money you have invested in these players and the FACT that you're more injury prone when fatigued and I simply can't advocate additional time to beat the snot out of one-another for my entertainment only. Keep it as is. If a franchise's season came down to a single overtime kick then you made some serious errors along the way during the other 15 games.
March 23, 2010 at 04:13 pm
My biggest issue with overtime is that defenses seem to wear down much more than offenses as the game wears on. You seem to hear it every game with the announcers stating "This runningback gets stronger as the game goes on," when, in actuality, it's just that defensive lines wear down. Because of this, and a myriad of rule changes through the years, offenses have a huge advantage over defenses late in games.
What I'd like to see instead of the "each team gets a chance" rule, is just a continuation into overtime as if the quarter had changed from 3rd to 4th. This way the game is determined by the teams on the field and no coin flip is involved. At the end of the game, if one team is trying to come from behind, they'd be more likely to go for the win than the tie because they would know that there would be a chance to never get the ball back. The most obvious flaw with this is that there would be less urgency with teams coming down the field to try to win in a tie game, but already there are plenty of teams that say "let's take it to overtime" and throw in the proverbial towel on winning in regulation.
March 23, 2010 at 04:29 pm
Not only do I agree completely, but I am personally probably even more against any change. Are the Peter Kings just looking for an OT rule that will actually work out to 50% for each team? Then just flip a coin for the win. Captains...assemble. Call it! Winner gets a win and goes home. No more injuries, either!
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Now, I'm not saying I want to change it to that ridiculous scenario. I DON'T want to change it at all. One seldom-quoted statistic is what happens when the flip winner is forced to punt on the first possession. The team that forces a punt on the opening drive of OT will then go down and score a vast majority of the time. The "problem" is that NFL rules favor the offense. Period. And it's really not a problem with me. There has to be SOME incentive for teams to build quality defenses...maybe this should be one.
March 23, 2010 at 05:50 pm
That's a good point. The NFL rules generally do favor the offense. That's the heart of the issue.
March 23, 2010 at 05:49 pm
To me, it's not an issue of "you should have scored during regulation." We've seen shootouts before. To me it's really a non-question in general. Maybe tie the first overtime possession to the original coin flip to start the game. Then, the team that wins that flip does not have "chance" to blame if they don't get the ball, just themselves. Make it part of the strategy.
But I don't really think anything really even needs to be changed at all.
March 23, 2010 at 06:23 pm
I agree, if you want to win the game, do it in Regulation, and if you want to get the ball in OT, stop the opposition. Just passed though so there's no point in me complaining lol, we'll see how it goes.
PackerAaron
March 23, 2010 at 06:35 pm
And...the new overtime rule just passed. (sigh)
March 24, 2010 at 01:38 am
So will this be considered "The Favre Rule" now?
March 23, 2010 at 07:33 pm
So what happens if the team that wins the coin toss kicks a FG and then the receiving team fumbles the ensuing kickoff.
Is the game now over ?
PackerAaron
March 23, 2010 at 07:47 pm
As I understand it, they have to win by more than 3 - so no.
PackerAaron
March 23, 2010 at 08:01 pm
And, of course, I'm wrong. In your scenario Satori, you are correct. Game over.
March 23, 2010 at 08:50 pm
this is when we need lombardi to come back yelling at all these idiots..."WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OUT THERE!!" LOL...or DeNiro...
March 23, 2010 at 08:55 pm
I can't believe it passed 28-4. You just can't help but wonder if an underlying theme with the voters was the paranoia that a Super Bowl would end on a 1-possession OT field goal. Oh well. I don't think they should have changed it, but I guess nothing bad can really come of the change. Game on.
March 23, 2010 at 09:18 pm
If pressed, I'd probably come out against changing OT rules. But since they did, I really dislike the way in which they did it. I don't get the argument against just playing another shortened (5-8 minute) quarter with normal rules - like basketball. This new OT system is far more complicated than it needs to be.
March 24, 2010 at 12:59 am
Ya, the time would have been better spent negotiating with the NFLPA.
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If both teams kick FG's next team to score wins? Why would team two even try a FG? Maybe that's the big plus? I can't think of anything else.
March 24, 2010 at 02:01 am
Aaron,
if you truly believe that football is about all 3 phases of football then why wouldn't you want each team to be forced to use every phase to win. It would lean towards the best overall team winning. It would be less likely for the team with a really good offense but no defense from having a better chance of winning.
March 24, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Packerbacker, Games need to end eventually and if a game goes to overtime it means teams are pretty evenly matched. Playing an extra quarter or whatever isn't going to settle who is "better." These kind of games are essentially decided on luck whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
March 24, 2010 at 06:53 pm
I'll agree that many games are decided by luck, but why not give each team an equal footing. One chance at Offense, one chance at Defense. Whether it's luck or not, you even the playing field.
PackerAaron
March 24, 2010 at 07:08 pm
"why not give each team an equal footing" - they did. In regulation.
March 24, 2010 at 09:38 pm
So then you just throw out the rules in OT? Change the game because they were even for 4 quarters? It doesn't give both teams an equal chance at winning the game.