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Latest Jennings Interview Goes Beyond Joking, Implies Rodgers Disrespect

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Latest Jennings Interview Goes Beyond Joking, Implies Rodgers Disrespect

After Greg Jennings signed with the Minnesota Vikings in the offseason, there's been a well-documented back and forth between the wide receiver and Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

Rodgers threw the first barb when during the Wisconsin Sports Awards ceremony, Rodgers playfully responded "Who?" when asked a question about Jennings.

In several interviews since that time, Jennings has also jokingly declined to call Rodgers by name, instead referring to a vague "the quarterback" instead.

During an interview on ESPN on Tuesday, Jennings called Rodgers by name, but reading into his comments, one can infer that the back-and-forth banter between Jennings and Rodgers has an edge to it.

As summed up by NFC North blogger Kevin Seifert of ESPN.com:

(Jennings) also somewhat cryptically said that "you get respect when you give respect" when asked why he apparently thinks more of Favre than Rodgers. The video is worth your time.

The interview in its entirety can be viewed here:

Packers fans, as based upon responses to my Twitter account, are asking whether any hurt feelings between the two stems from Rodgers not vouching for Jennings like he has other players on the Packers roster. A sampling:

 

 

 

The next step in the soap opera appears headed toward the moment when Jennings is bluntly asked whether he felt disrespected by Rodgers.

Observers might also point out the critical comments of Rodgers by Jennings' sister on social media last season as a sign that a beef existed between the two before Jennings left Green Bay as a free agent.

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jmac3444's picture

well he probably wasn't going to be booed that heavily when he came back to GB before this but now it might be Farve level booing.

Fan617's picture

I definitely don't think it will be that bad. Most people won't even know about this by the time the season comes around. Also, despite this, I'll always remember Greg's amazing plays and football smarts during the Superbowl - he was GREAT

THEMichaelRose's picture

Yup. No ill will toward him from me. He was an unrestricted free agent, and I think the Packers made the right decision to not pay him.

drcpackers's picture

don't count on most people not knowing.

Mel's picture

Sorry Nelson almost stole the show at the superbowl.. He had a hell of game almost got the MVP... GJ is a dime a dozen watch next yr when he doesnt have Arod trowing him the ball.

Evan's picture

What a horribly awkward situation. What did they expect Jennings to do? Admit that Ponder is garbage? I think Jennings did well to deflect that.

As for the Rodgers beef, it really does seem there is something real there.

Idiot Fan's picture

He kind of also said that Ponder just didn't have anyone good to throw to in the past, which also insults a handful of other people, even if it is true.

Evan's picture

Also true...as well as a tacit admission that his performance hadn't been up to par previously.

Nick Perry's picture

Wait a minute. He also said Farve was the better QB. Even in Farves MVP years he doesn't have the stats Rodgers has put up. With that said who won Jennings a ring? Farve threw the damn ball right to Cory Webster in OT of the NFC Championship game, hmmmm imagine that. Rodgers took over and in his 3rd season starting put the Packers on his back and won a SB. Granted Jennings caught 4 balls, two for TD's but Farve doesn't make that 21 yard TD pass. Farve doesn't make that 3rd down pass, I'd bet my mortgage on it. The bottom line and I think some forget is Jennings was offered 10 million before last season. He was the greedy little prick he is and wanted 12. Ted, for good reason wanted to see if he could stay healthy and if he'd lost a step. He couldn't and he had. He took just a few million more because he saw the writing on the wall. Cobb was becoming the man and Jennings knew it was a matter of time ( this year) where he's the 3 rd best receiver on the field behind Nelson and Cobb. The greed is what gets me with all these "Praise To God" dudes. Just man up and be honest. I'm greedy and wanted what was a a few million more.

calabasa's picture

AMEN! to all of that Nick. Nail, it was Nick Perry who hit you on the head.

nick perry's picture

Do you have a point or just a bad sense of humor?

4EVERGB's picture

Thank you. Very well said.

4EVERGB's picture

I'm referring to Nick and his summary of Greg "I have a check book that needs filling" Jennings. As I've said in other postings. Jennings was a football player. He was not a Packer. We need Packer players. Those are the blue collar hard working players that our boys in the head office make every effort to hire. Some are good, some not so good. But in the end, we get it right. We're there "in the money" more times than not. To Ted....good move with Jennings. Not worth the time or trouble. Watch us handle him in the next couple months. Look for Jennings to be one of two places. One, on the sidelines with an injury, or two, at the bottom of the stats list on receptions. Good luck Vikings.

Tarynfor12's picture

He left because;
1)Younger guys need to be able to spread their wings.
2)Boykins' talent would have forced a change anyway.
3)He wants to do for/make Ponder into Favre and Rodgers as he takes credit for doing.
4)He wants the respect that wasn't given to him.
5)I wanted to be where I can talk like a fool and fit in.....Minn is the place to be.

trvs's picture

Would Greg Jennings be the reciever he is today without the Green Bay Packers? Not just Brett or Aaron, but Ted Thompson is the person he should be thanking.

I really dont know how I feel about this. I really liked him while he played in Green Bay, but I dont think his choice to leave the team was a bad idea. I mean how many of you have left a good job for an opportunity to work elsewhere. As a Green Bay fan its hard to say he went to a "better job", but for him, he is getting paid more, is the top receiver, and is probably getting "elite" treatment. You can't blame the dude for taking more money.

The truth will be revealed on the field. If Ponder sucks like he is projected too, then its all good for GB. The real question is... Does James Jones get a new deal after this year?

JakeK's picture

Thank Thompson for what? Drafting him? .... Like he wasn't going to get drafted?

Ponder suck like he's projected too? ... Most informed football people are actually projecting Ponder to improve over his first 2 seasons. He's only 25 & only entering his 3rd season.

Need to stay real.

PackerBacker's picture

Let's use suck as a relative term. Strictly in reference to the two QB's he's played with so far in the NFL. I would use a term like non-elite for Ponder. He may become a good QB, but he won't be A-Rod. They can hope for Romo-esque play from him, at best.

BradHTX's picture

"Romo-esque" would be a great name for a fantasy team...

PackerBacker's picture

Especially if you know that your team is junk and you aren't going to win anything.

Stroh's picture

Most QB experts say that by 20 stsrts a QB has shown his ability. Ponder is well past 20 starts. He played pretty well last few wks last year. At best he's decent at worst he horrible a d maddeningly inconsistent. Still makes no plays and too many mistakes. Never be more than a decent QB.

JakeK's picture

Ridiculous... You haven't a clue, quit pretending you do.

Stroh's picture

Jaws and Dilfer dis ussed it. Guessing they qualify as experts! Go away troll.

nick perry's picture

Well Jake, Ponder is a QB that threw for less than 100 yards in 4 games last year. Against the Packers at Lambeau he didn't complete a pass to a WR until there was 3 minutes left in game and Capers went to his "Soft Zone", which we all know is designed to neither stop or slow a team down. I don't this Strohs or anyone else who made comments about Ponder are to far off. Jennings is greedy, PERIOD! He was offered 10 by the Packers at the beginning of the year. He wanted 12 million. Then all the tweets about warm weather and Miami came out from his sister. Miami didn't want him. Philbin who knows him as well as anyone didn't even talk to him. Jennings already knows he made a huge mistake and now is acting like a little bitch. I had long respect for Jennings, hated to see him go even though I knew he'd lost steps (multiple) and had become a injury prone WR. The Vikings are the only team other than the Packers that wanted him. New England found out what he wanted and it stopped there, no talks. That my fellow Packers fan, speaks volumes.

PackersRS's picture

The thing is, Ponder doesn't have the arm strenght to be an elite QB.

This is the most he'll ever be, without the arm strenght.

All the elite QBs have great arm strenght.

Nick Perry's picture

If he stays healthy, and that's a BIG IF, Jennings will catch maybe 60 to 65 balls for less than 1000 yards, nothing special. How many times did we see Packer receivers leave for more money never to be heard from again (Freeman, Walker). The Green Bay Packers are a receiver friendly team, the Vikings are not. Hell, Sidney Rice had one good season as a Viking, and that was with Childress and Farve. I love Jennings and what he did for the Packers while hear but he won't be half the receiver there, not with AP. I look at it this was. If Williams can hold Brandon Marshall to 8 catches for 80 yards and one TD he'll shut Jennings down. Either him or Hayward but no way do Rodgers teammates let him get away with this.

trvs's picture

This is the best part of this whole situation...

Jennings having two bad days this year against the Packers secondary. And

Bishop (maybe playing?) getting burned over the middle (or edge, if henderson is playing) big if's I guess.

4EVERGB's picture

Thanks TRVS. Very smart. The PACKERS make great receivers, not the other way around. The rest of the league is still catching up to that concept. It's the core team and the leadership. It's the principles. The way of life. The fans. Oh, the fans. You can buy players and advertise players, but believe this.....when all is said and done, we will spend our money not on stats, not on wins, not on celebrities, not on venues, not on hype, not on merchandising, and not on man made comebacks. We will forever support the team that works from the start, to bring football to the families who support it. Moms, Dads, daughters, sons, and every conceivable branch of our families. Others claim it, but the heart goes to GB. There is one team that has it all. That's the Green Bay Packers. Go Pack.

MarkinMadison's picture

1) If GJ is miffed that #12 didn't go to bat for him then he is not recognizing a very basic fact: this was #12's contract year too. It's easy to talk about how important it is to sign someone else when you are already locked in for a few years. Much harder when you are competing with that guy for the same dollars.

2) If you read in to GJ's sister's comments (which I did, and for which I was slammed here by some) then this is a long-standing issue and good riddance.

3) Is this the NFL or WWF? Let's move on.

Evan's picture

It wasn't Rodger's "contract year." He still had, what, 2 years left? But I get your point.

MarkinMadison's picture

You're right, on all counts.

PackerBacker's picture

Even if it wasn't a year in which he wanted to get his contract upped. Does TT actually pay any attention to what A-Rod says? Do any of you actually think that makes a difference in contract negotiation or salary cap? NOT A CHANCE.

Point Packer's picture

I always knew Jennings was a prima donna.

Drealyn Williams's picture

Far from that.

PackerBacker's picture

At least he decided to bring out the prima donna when he became a Viking. Perfect place for it. ;)

Fan617's picture

Wow..I'm really surprised by this. Maybe Greg feels that Aaron didn't give him star treatment the way Brett might have? But I agree that it probably has something to do with not vouching for Greg publicly and also the amount of praise given to Cobb - making Greg feel disrespected. ALTHOUGH, the money needed for Jordy Nelson/James Jones' contract extensions was nothing compared to what they needed to sign Jennings. I respect Aaron for not cornering the Packers into a situation where their star QB is publicly calling for them to sign a WR, when the team has other, possibly better, long term plans.

4EVERGB's picture

The money spent, at any time, for Nelson and Jones, is money 10x well spect than Jennings. Jennings was an accountant. Short success. Short NFL career. See where he is 3 years from today.

MPLSRob's picture

What I get worried about...and none of us really know...is if some of the players think Aaron is kind of a dick...or at a minimum...a douche. Guys might turn on him now that he is richest dude in NFL history. We know he is a leader, but we need the ENTIRE team know it too.

Stroh's picture

That's the least of my worries. Rodgerd wants to be like Starr not Favre!

4EVERGB's picture

Rogers is his own man. He wants to be like himself. I don't think he gets up every morning and tailors his day to strive to perform like someone else. Ironically, since he is setting milestones himself, he probably would want a new guy to follow his performance, not those that he superceded.

Johnny's picture

Pretty much everything you hear from other players is that Aaron Rodgers is a great guy. From JJ Watt to Brian Urlacher to Jared Allen to Peanut Tillman.

The only people who have suggested otherwise are Shannon "Loudmouth" Sharpe and Jermichael Finley's stupid agent.

nick perry's picture

Never heard that Sharpe had said something about Rodgers. Funny anyone did, the guys talks as though he has a mouth full of something, who can understand him???

Jer's picture

Rodgers has a tendancy to single out specific players for praise when he's giving interviews. I wonder if some of players that are not mentioned get their feathers ruffled because of that.

MPLSRob's picture

What we do know if Aaron was likely kind of a douche back around the time he was drafted. Guess is Brett didn't like him right off the bat.

Nerd's picture

Yeah, we all know Brett was a bit of a douche too.

Nerd's picture

Aaron's tendency to stat whore does make him a bit of a diva, and we all know how over sensitive he is.

But the way to counteract that is on the field.

Greg just comes across as even more of a diva here.

Evan's picture

"Aaron’s tendency to stat whore..."

Example?

gbslapshot's picture

Apparently he is talking about how Aaron likes to get touchdowns and low interceptions...

Evan's picture

The nerve...

Point Packer's picture

The "stat whore" comment was retarded.

redlights's picture

Now back to work, children. Move along, nothing to see here.

Evan's picture

The lesson in all of this, as always, is holy shit is First Take some serious garbage.

Brian Carriveau's picture

If people haven't learned that lesson years ago, they don't watch First Take very often.

PackerBacker's picture

Any show with Skip Bayless is going to be a whole bag of shit. No question.

jjblackcat7's picture

Absolutely. ESPN is the network that mistakenly said "Aaron Rodgers" when Aaron Hernandez was arrested. Yes,a slip of the tongue, and yes, he corrected it, but come ON....

PackersRS's picture

Never watched it. Not bragging. Everything I know about is is based on what extrapolates from the show itself.

And by that, it is garbage.

But it's a very, very successful garbage.

Jamie's picture

What is up with these grown men needing validation...as if their on the field accomplishments don't speak for themselves???

Aaron isn't the type to state the obvious. At his best, Jennings was a top 5-ish WR...no need for Aaron to come out and state this. Jennings was paid fairly well during this period.

Once the contract was near its end, Aaron saw the writing on the wall, and had already said he was done playing GM after the James Jones talk. Younger, cheaper, healthier options are on the roster, and Aaron wasn't going to push for something he knew was largely fruitless anyway...he's just not the disingenuous type.

BrianD's picture

Good point. Aaron didn't vouch for Jennings BECAUSE HE DIDN'T NEED TO. Jennings had been a great player for years with the Packers.

jjblackcat7's picture

It's ESPN, which explains a lot. The announcer is the same one who put down the Texans quarterback to one of their wide receivers. Yes, Jennings said a lot between the lines. But ESPN shouldn't be so hard up for news.

MPLSRob's picture

Greg may not be pissed because Aaron didn't voice for him to return. He may just think Aaron is a jerk. Even Greg knows that GB shouldn't have made a huge run at him. Didn't make sense. That's why I don't think Greg is pissed about that. I think he always thought Aaron was a douche - which leads me to believe others think he's a douche. I mean, have you even listen to the band on his "record label"? Embarassingly corny.

The TKstinator's picture

So, if the band on his record label was "less corny", then...?

zeke's picture

It's pretty obvious that if the band on Rodgers' record label was edgy and dangerous rather than corny, Jennings (and by extension, others) wouldn't think that Rodgers was a douche. It then follows that if Jennings (and others) didn't think that Rodgers was a douche, TT wouldn't be cheap. Also, Justin Harrell.

Idiot Fan's picture

That made me laugh

Inquiring Minds's picture

And.....Favre!!!!

nick perry's picture

HUH??? What the hell are you talking about Zeke. Damn, left field much?

zeke's picture

Jesus, it was a joke.

Cow42's picture

This is dumb.

PackerBacker's picture

+1

Idiot Fan's picture

The season can't start soon enough. These off-season "stories" are getting unbearable.

PackerBacker's picture

I was just thinking the same thing.

jeremy's picture

really dumb...

Charlie M's picture

The "you get respect when you give respect" comment struck me as ridiculous especially after I read this artice a couple months back:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3582241

It shows clearly how "respectful" Favre was to Jennnings way back when.

BradHTX's picture

You know, I wonder when all these "respect"-obsessed people forgot that respect is something to be earned, not an entitlement?

mark's picture

CheeseheadTMZ.

This post is silly. Did Jennings leave and sign with the rival? Yeah. Are there maybe some bruised egos because Ted let Greg walk? Probably. But that's life. Normal stuff. Let's not try and make this into Days Of Our Lives.

The TKstinator's picture

+1
+2!

Jer's picture

The thing is, Jennings has done several interviews where he appears to take a subtle jab at Rodgers..."the guy they have there now", Favre is better, to get respect you give respect, etc.

Taken individually you can easily shrug them off. Taken collectively, along with the imfamous tweets from his sister, and it's impossible for me to believe there isn't something here.

I don't get worked up about it, though. To me it makes the rivalry even more fun ,especially since we all know who wins in the end ;) .

TXCHEESE's picture

If I recall correctly, GB made a pretty serious offer to Jennings, but one that was within reason. Don't blame Jennnings for leaving and I don't blame him for giving Ponder the benefit of the doubt, but to say he didn't have weapons. With AP in the backfield, cheerleaders should be able to get open!

Stroh's picture

Damn right! Year before Jennings hit FA Packers offered 12M and Jennings turned it down. No reason for Rodgers to go to bat for him

JakeK's picture

12 mil ?? ... How about the link ?? ... Sounds like more of Stroh's imagination.

Stroh's picture

Sounds like Jake trolling again! Go away trolltard!

buster's picture

Come on Stroh. No one ever reported that Green Bay offered 12 mil to Jennings so why make something up? You really need to start posting a little more truth. People don't fall for your constant BS.

Stroh's picture

That you Jake? Someone else is saying 10M or 11M. Thought I heard 12M, either way whatever it was it was a great contract and Jennings turned it down.

buster's picture

Typical Stroh. Everyone's a trolltard or everyone's the same person. Don't you get tired of the same old MO?

nick perry's picture

No Stroh is correct...almost. I believe it was 10 million offered and Jennings WANTED 12 million. Ted told him that he'd lost his mind and feelings were hurt. It got worse when Philbin didn't even speak to Jennings, especially after the tweets by Jennings sister about warm weather and South Beach. That told the rest of the NFL Jennings is slowing down and can't stay on the field. Clearly that's not far off, he had no other interest at all. A call from New England, but not a visit and a desperate Minnesota, that's it. If I was Jennings I'd just shut my mouth. The fact that NO ONE CALLED should tell Greg everything he needs to know.

Stroh's picture

Your right. I researched it. 10M offered and Jennings wanted 12M. I was slightly mistaken, but they did offer him a contract for franchise WR money.

4EVERGB's picture

All the while, they tried to make him a Packer. But in the end, he was just a football player. He counted pennies. Don't need to comment on the aspects of taking care of business, taking care of their families, taking care of their "business. That's not what I am talking about. He's not a Packer. He has no place on the team. He's a loser and the packers did right on letting him go.

Cole's picture

Wasn't Favre the one who beckoned Javon Walker to get back into camp and not hold out, and then Walker blew out his knee? Talk about going to bat for someone.

4EVERGB's picture

All about the physical and its' history baby. They let folks go for a reason....

Crystalia's picture

am i the only one that actually thinka he's kidding and everyone just reads into it way too much?

Mojo's picture

Although I think there's a little bit of animosity between Jennings and ARod, I really didn't see much of it here (his sisters texting is more revealing). In fact I didn't think Jennings said much of anything inappropriate. So he likes Favre more than Rodgers. Big deal. He thinks Ponder and his team will be good. Well shouldn't he?

What is bizarre is Baylesses never ending disdain for Rodgers. Seriously, it's so out there, that anyone watching can see how utterly stupid the whole spiel is. Does he not realize how cartoonish he sounds. My advice to Bayless, drop the antiARod schtick and try to actually add something to the topic.

Stroh's picture

Can't stand Bayless either but he's being paid A LOT of money to play the contrarian, whether or not that's how he feels is debatable. Just sayin...

Mojo's picture

And to think, Cow does it for free.

Evan's picture

Hey-o! Haha.

Stroh's picture

Outstanding!

Cow42's picture

"And to think, Cow does it for free."

...as far as you know.

nick perry's picture

Still, I pray everyday to meet Bayless in a dark alley wearing my Aaron Rodgers jersey.

Bearmeat's picture

That schtick makes Bayless a lot of money. That talks.

Fish . Crane's picture

this is a bore
ignore

Nononsense's picture

Greg Jennings "Who" and he says Rodgers is overly sensitive. Its apparent he didn't find that very funny no matter what hes said on the subject in the past, he clearly felt disrespected by that comment.

Whether there's more to that feeling of disrespect I don't know and neither does anyone else. Its probably a good bet though that Jennings sisters comments on twitter had something to do with the "Who" comment but we can't know that for sure.

devil doc's picture

I'm surprised how easily he dismissed the talent, or lack there of, in Minnesota. Saying Ponder didn't/doesn't have the talent around him to succeed. I do agree, but not something I'd want my new teammate sayin.

dawg's picture

Jennigs didn't like the fact that Cobb and Rodgers connected, Jennings odd man out!
Injuries,Commercials got to his head, not the same guy we drafted!

The TKstinator's picture

Greg's trousers were outrageous.
Steven A and Skip are both cartoon characters.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Break a leg, Craig.

UP-Packer's picture

Going to be a great 2 games with the Vikes again this season. All the drama and both teams are probably the best in the North Division. It's going to be the 7/11 series. 7th game of the season at Minn. and the 11th game of the season at GB. Can't wait.

zeke's picture

Wow. A player on one team may (or may not) dislike a player on another team. Wait until the Vegas odds-makers hear about this...

Tony's picture

Reporting to camp in 9 days... not too much longer we'll have to deal with this offseason boredom garbage.

vikequeen god's picture

The writing was on the wall for Jennings when Jordy Nelson caught 9 passes for 140 yards and a touchdown in the Super Bowl.

hayward4president's picture

The last thing the NFC North wanted to see ..is more Cobb. Knowing that Cobb will be on the field even more often than last season has to have those slot DBs nervous. Originally I missed 85 ....now after this dumb media bs I'm just ready to get through the next 50 days.

Bibbon Hazel's picture

WHo? Buck em!

PackersRS's picture

So this is the article that gets the most posts here...

Since we're talking frivolities, that is the uglies outfit I've ever seen. Just the combination of that purple shirt with that thing he calls shorts. I like to think it's Jennings' way of making fun of the show.

In regard to the discussion, it solely exists for the purpose of fomenting discussion. It would be a big deal if they were 5 year olds. And, let's face it, Rodgers does act like a 5 year old in that regard sometimes. But for crying out loud. Let's act like adults, people.

some guy's picture

hmmm, maybe i'm an idiot but i didn't see much in this interview. he had high praise for Rodgers and seemed to make a joke about respect and the "who?" comment and then kind of backed off.

i think we're making more out of this than is really there. There's definitely a little bite in some of the comments and the Jennings sister tweet was definitely revealing but i think some of this is tongue in cheek.

Idiot Fan's picture

I can't wait to see what Jennings' sister has to say about Ponder.

some guy's picture

ditto

PackersRS's picture

We're both idiots, if so.

Or, you know, just reasonable people that won't jump to conclusions based on a vague phrase.

Most likely idiots.

DraftHobbyist's picture

Anybody who watches the interview will come to the conclusion that Greg Jennings is just messing around. Jennings and Rodgers are trying to renew the Packers-Vikings rivalry that hasn't been. Greg Jennings acknowledged how great Aaron Rodgers is many times in that interview.

Evan's picture

"Anybody who watches the interview will come to the conclusion that Greg Jennings is just messing around."

I didn't.

Not that I think it's a big deal or worthy of 90+ comments on a blog, but it's mid-July. What else is there to talk about?

JakeK's picture

Greg Jennings is an aspiring actor.
Evidently he has fooled most everyone here.

Breadman's picture

I'm sure Packers DB's would rather face Jennings than Percy Harvin twice a year. Ask Adrian Peterson which receiver he'd like as his teammate. Percy Harvin "ALL DAY".
Also, not going to miss his big smile after dropped passes; I'm sure Rodgers won't either. Jennings best days are in his rear view mirror.
Good move by TT not to resign him.

JakeK's picture

You'll be singing a different tune if any of Jones, Nelson or Cobb go down. ... Boykins, Ross, Johnson, Dorsey ?? ... Ouch!! ... Rodgers is good but it's still difficult to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Stroh's picture

You got it backasswards as usual. A great QB makes even ordinary WR look great. NOT the other way around. Favre did it for years!

UP-Packer's picture

Are you saying that Nelson, Cobb and Jones are ordinary? If you are, most fans would disagree.

Stroh's picture

Not at all, but he was talking about Boykin, Ross, et al. Favre got by for years throwing to Schroeder, Freeman, Brooks. Lets not kid ourselves Favre MADE them Pro Bowl players, other than Schroeder. They certainly didn't have Pro Bowl talent.

Great QB's make receivers much better, WR don't make QB's. Is Ponder going to be a Pro Bowler just cuz he has Jennings now? Hell no...

Breadman's picture

They did just fine without him when he was injured last year. Jennings has been banged up the past couple of seasons and could get hurt again this year. Not worried about WR depth, would rather have 10-12 million go to other areas of need. Jennings WAS a good packer, but he's gone, get over it. I'm not loyal to any one player, I've been a Packer fan since I was 6yrs old ( 46yrs) and I'm a native northern Californian. Live in 49'er country. I hate losing to the 9'ers.

JakeK's picture

"did fine without him"

With Jennings in 2011 ... 15-1 with a 35 point per game average.

Without Jennings (9 games) in 2012 ... 11-5 with a 27.1 point per game average. (over a TD per game difference)

There are other reasons they scored fewer points in 2012 but missing Jennings was defintely one of them.

Hey, just a few FACTS for you to end your day.

Evan's picture

Compare the 8 games in 2012 with Jennings to the 8 games without. PPG and YPG are just about identical.

JakeK's picture

Except that is not what I did. Comparing full seasons is more representative and involves larger sampling sizes.

However, feel free to do it anyway you want. How you do it is your business.

Evan's picture

Ha. So much unnecessary hostility, dude.

I just think comparing two different seasons brings too many variables into consideration (as you admitted).
I don't think comparing stats from the full 2011 season (in which Jennings played 13 games) to the full 2012 season (in which he played 8 games) really tells us anything.

I think the fact that the Packers had almost identical points per game and passing yards per game in the 8 games with and the 8 games without Jennings (an equal sample size) is very telling. Which is not to say he won't be missed to some extent.

Breadman's picture

Fact is the opponents figured out how to slow down the Packers offense after the KC game. Packers had trouble throwing the deep ball and Rodgers has to hold on to the ball too long ( 51 sacks) Oh yeah, they couldn't run and the defense wasn't very good and was terrible on 3rd down. Those were a bigger factor for the loses than missing Greg Jennings. Don't be pissed at me because you have a Jennings jersey hanging in your closet.

JakeK's picture

@Evan

No hostility at all.

I guess I just don't care what you may think. ... Happens sometime.

Or you could just ignore the facts like Breadhead.

Evan's picture

I'm ignoring no facts. I addressed the issue with yours and presented different, more relevant ones.

What do you think it means that the Packers didn't really miss a beat (at least in terms of PPG and PYPG) without Jennings in 2012? I'd like to know.

Evan's picture

Here, I even crunched the numbers for you. Just a few FACTS for you to start your day, if you will.

With Jennings in 2012 (8 games): 25 ppg with 254 passypg.

Without Jennings in 2012 (8 games): 29 ppg with 251 passypg.

Now, it's true, Jennings played some of the tougher defenses last year (49ers, Sea and NYG). But he also played against some of the weaker defenses (NO, Ten, Det). In fact, Rodgers' lowest yards came with Jennings, 148 against Detroit in week 14. So, I think the quality of opponents is more or less a wash in the end.

But, anyway, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on what that all means.

JakeK's picture

Hey thanks, I appreciate the effort.... But ... come on ... you have to admit you're cherry-picking your numbers.

My original post was simple. ... "You’ll be singing a different tune if any of Jones, Nelson or Cobb go down."

This will be true no matter what numbers you offer.... The WR corp is no longer as strong as it was. ... Everyone after Jones, Cobb and Nelson are suspect. ... Quite a few devout, long time Packer Fans believe this... I happen to agree.

Evan's picture

Cherry picking how? What other numbers do you suggest I include?

And I'm not addressing your comment about the strength/depth of the WR corp in 2013. Of course it's thinner than it's been in years past. And of course if Cobb, Nelson or Jones goes down for any extended period of time, the Packers will suffer.

What I am addressing is Jennings specifically and your comment about how the Packers offense has performed with and without him. In 2012, at least, they didn't miss a beat. What that means for 2013 remains to be seen. But based on last season, my conclusion is that if the top 3 stay healthy (plus Finley), they'll be fine.

Thoughts?

JakeK's picture

"...my conclusion is that if the top 3 stay healthy (plus Finley), they’ll be fine."

Of course they'll be fine if the top 3 stay healthy. ... In fact, if GB has no injuries at all in 2013, they will win the SB going away. ... Realistic?? ... Probably not.

Stroh's picture

Jake... just cuz players are unproven doesn't mean tbey csnt play. We still have a strong WR group. And lets drop Driver from consideration he was passed by Boykin last year. Only real loss is Jennings and he misses 1/2 of last year zs evan pointed out we were as effective wo him as we were w him. Now there's just more opportunities for young players. We are a draft and develop team which means letting older expensive leave for younger cheaper versions. Lots of athletic talent in Boykins Ross Johnson and dorsey!

Evan's picture

Okay, cool. So there is no disagreement there.

Back to the topic I was discussing, though. Do you agree or disagree that in 2012 the Packers offense functioned perfectly fine without Jennings?

JakeK's picture

No.

Evan's picture

Was that to me or Stroh?

If me: I'd love you to elaborate.

Evan's picture

It wasn't a yes or no question, but I think I decoded your position.

So, why do you believe the 2012 Packers offense struggled without Jennings? On what facts are you basing that opinion? Again, I'm talking 2012.

JakeK's picture

@Nagler

Laugh all you want. All you have to do is read the comments section of this page. This is what is referred to as a cluster**ck.

Forums are monitored. Good forums keep the discussion on football. There are rules and protocol at forums. Even the page set-up on a forum is superior to any blog. Plus, there happens to be some pretty good analysis on many Packer or NFL forums.

(I hope you're not suggesting we all turn to twitter for our football fix ... now I'm laughing)

This post is a good example. Almost impossible to land this post where it belongs. This page is a complete disaster.

Stroh's picture

@Jake
Heres an idea. Msybe try reading the article to get the facts and form your own opinion rather skipping the article snd getting your "opinions" from other fans. Judging by the link you posted you certainly didn't read that article. It said nothing about Rodgers being concerned. Bet it was others like you that were all gripping!

PackersRS's picture

@JakeK

As an ex-moderator of a Packers forum, you couldn't be further from the truth.

JakeK's picture

@ RS

Did you ever think that maybe you just weren't a very good moderator? ... Or the forum you moderated just plain sucked. ... I'd give you links to some good forums but I doubt this blog would allow it.

PackersRS's picture

@JakeK

I was a super moderator for the site packerforum.com, a farily succesful site.

There were very knowledgeable fans in there, and I'm sure there are great forums out there.

But to state that that format is superior to a blog, particularly this blog, is completely far off.

Actually, like everything you say, it's solely your opinion based on absolutely nothing.

And you can provide links to other sites in this site. There's a certain limit per post to prevent spam, but other than that you can post whatever you want.

Because it's not moderated.

JakeK's picture

"Do you agree or disagree that in 2012 the Packers offense functioned perfectly fine without Jennings?"

No.

Maybe you need to check out a few forums instead of a blog such as this. ... This topic has been on top of many forum lists for months. Many fans are concerned that Jennings loss will be felt the most in 2013 .... I agree.

Evan's picture

Oops. This is better.

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It wasn’t a yes or no question, but I think I decoded your position.

So, why do you believe the 2012 Packers offense struggled without Jennings? On what facts are you basing that opinion? Again, I’m talking 2012.

JakeK's picture

"On what facts are you basing that opinion? Again, I’m talking 2012."

I avoid cherry-picking facts as often as possible. ... Think of it ... What would this blog be like if everyone used your approach? ... Again ... Visit a forum. It'll help.

Evan's picture

I shudder to think.

But no one is asking you to cherry pick anything. You can use any and all facts you deem relevant. I'm just asking you to explain how you drew your conclusion.

JakeK's picture

Again, try this ... It's the best I can do to help you with your confusion.

"Visit a forum. It’ll help."

Other than that, you're on your own. Good luck.

Evan's picture

So, in conclusion, you are unable to cite any facts that support your opinion about the 2012 Packers offensive performance.

Got it.

Thanks for the discussion.

JakeK's picture

No need to feel bad about this. ... Often times, people need to gain more knowledge to draw solid conclusions. (Thus, the idea of visiting a few forums)... Hey, everyone has to improve at some starting point... Again, good luck to you in your quest to remove the mind-fog.

packeraaron's picture

Visiting forums equalling "more knowledge" made me laugh really hard.

Thanks for that.

Evan's picture

Hey, I'm trying to gain more knowledge. You're just refusing to impart any. I figured someone with so many facts at their disposal could spare a couple, no? Not even one? Please?

JakeK's picture

Try this link:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2013/07/18/aaron-rodger...

Rodgers has concerns?? ... Why am I not surprised? ... If your QB is concerned, you just might want to also be concerned. ... Only trying to help with da fog.

Evan's picture

Good read. Thank you.

Of course, it said nothing about Rodgers having concerns (that damn fog, I suppose), but I did like this quote: "So, we're a different football team. Lacking a little in the experience part, but making up for it in the talent and the young guys that we brought in."

I guess if your QB is optimistic about the young guys, you just might want to also be, no?

I hate to keep harping on 2012, but have you found any facts yet you'd be willing to share?

UP-Packer's picture

Sorry but I happen to agree. Boykins, Ross, etc. haven't done a thing in the NFL. A-Rod is good but he still needs good players around him. Right now no one even knows who will be the 4th & 5th WRs. That alone is different from the last few seasons.

PackerBacker's picture

Sorry, I know what you're saying, but I hate this argument. Would the team have a hard time if it lost its top three receivers? No shit! Name me one team that could possibly lose its top 3 receivers and not have a miserable passing game.

JakeK's picture

"top 3 receivers". ???

Except no one anywhere on this page said anything about losing 3 receivers. ... Try reading a little slower.

Stroh's picture

They lost ONE receiver. Jennings and he was good, but there plenty of other good options. Driver is addition by subtraction, he did NOTHING last year.

Boykin moves up a spot, he was ahead of Driver end of last year. Add the draft picks, Quarless as another TE option that did exist last year and I have no doubt someone will step up and claim the last spot or 2.

JakeK's picture

Jennings missed 8 games. Nelson missed 4 games. Cobb missed 1 game. Jones played all 16 games.

Boykins moved up ahead of Driver and managed a whopping 5 catches for 27 yards.

Quarless?? Quarless is a TE and has little effect (if any) on who the 5 or 6 WRs will be on the final 53 man roster.

You're just rambling now Stroh. ... Slow down, think and I'm sure your posts will start to make better sense.

Stroh's picture

Thanks for repeating exactlh what I said and the uttetly obvious. Driver was in FACT passed by Boykin numbers aside he has talent ans succeeded in his limited opportunities!

Last I checked TE is an eligible receiver and alot of people think Quarless will breakout thisyear. Either way there a lot of athletic talent in the young WR.

We are draft and develop team after all. The time was right to move on from Jennings and Driver should have been gone a year ago. He provided NOTHING last year!

Stroh's picture

@ Jake

You said... " Quarless is a TE and has little effect (if any) on who the 5 or 6 WRs will be on the final 53 man roster."

THat may or not be true, but I would say its not true. Packers offered Jennings 8M last year when he was talking to the viqueens. Can you honestly say that if Jennings takes the 8M contract that Finley would still be in GB? I seriously doubt it... It was one or the other. If Jennings stays, Finley is released, and since Jennings declined, Finley is still a Packer. While WR and TE are separate positions, they are tied in terms of receivers. A strength at one, might mean you go lighter at the other. Look at NE they put a ton of money in TE's Gronk and Hernandez and let Welker go to get a cheaper version in Amendola.

4EVERGB's picture

Driver was the key to their success , but wasn't used to give others a chance to succeed. Having said that, he would brought the packers to where they wanted to be. I read an article that said Driver would return only to the Packers if they really needed him. Stay in shape Donald. We have a great corp, but if needed, we'll call. Maybe put another ring on that finger.

Idiot Fan's picture

Your last two sentences may be correct, but dude was awesome for us. His SB performance for us was huge. There's no way we get that fourth ring without him.

packeraaron's picture

"Jennings missed 8 games. Nelson missed 4 games. Cobb missed 1 game"

And still they won football games.

The Packers offense will be fine.

Breadman's picture

The offense will be much better this season.

PackRatz's picture

C'mon! Who gives a crap if they got a beef between em. F***n media stirring the pot again. Let's just play some football.

calabasa's picture

Yeah it's July, and it's a soap opera, but when "I'm loyal when I have to be" came out of GJ's mouth, I was pretty saddened. I always thought he was a standup athlete; now he's just another jock.

The TKstinator's picture

Almost too bad that training camp starts soon.
Might take attention away from important stuff like this.

Jer's picture

I don't know why people get so upset with this being a topic of conversation. What else are we going to talk about during this period of the offseason? There's not a whole lot else going on.

I feel like it's people being afraid to confront an uncomfortable truth and wanting to cover their "ears" and say LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA".

You can acknowledge that there's some juice behind this and still love Greg Jennings AND Aaron Rodgers. Enjoy the rivalry. It's going to fun!

The TKstinator's picture

I am totally unafraid to confront the ugly truth that GJ's trousers are the real controversy here. And it doesn't make ME mad at all.

PackersRS's picture

Was Greg Jennings' outfit an intentional jab at the credibility of the program or was it just an unfortunate choice of clothing?

The TKstinator's picture

Purple blouse: I get it. Vikings colors.
Multi colored pants/shorts/capris/whatever: I can offer no help in GJ's regard, but I myself would have only worn them as a joke or on a dare.

Evan's picture

I think it's a swimming suit...half kidding.

MarkinMadison's picture

I still think this is more WWF b.s. than juice. You look at the totality of GJ's comments, and there is plenty of respect there. You can't call BF and all-time great on the one hand, and then immediatley say when AR came in there was not drop-off on the other hand, and then at the same time not respect the guy. And Skip Bayless is a moron.

BTW - GJ showed Boykin a lot of love. When you boil it all down GJ basically said that Green Bay won't miss him half as much as the Vikings will be glad they have him. Nothing wrong with that in my book.

The TKstinator's picture

In a slightly different direction, when did "respect" come to the forefront with football players?

4EVERGB's picture

I never liked Jennings. He caught passes. He was a footbal player, but was never a Packer. I always suspected he had a hidden agenda. Now is a Viking. And he is less of a football player because he is not on the Packers. I can't even say good luck to him. Just get off the team. Oh, he did. Bye.

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