October 27th, 2009

Journal Sentinel = Epic Fail

Aaron Nagler in Brett Favre, Wisconsin Media

This is so wrong headed, so misbegotten, so OFFENSIVE, I have trouble catching my breath to find the words necessary to condemn it.

But let me try.

It seems the Sports Editor over at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, one Garry D. Howard, has taken it upon himself to lecture Packers fans on how they should behave upon entering Lambeau Field this Sunday.

And they wonder why newspapers are dying.

Let me get this straight: Howard has the temerity to tell Corey and 70,000 of his closest friends how Favre should be greeted and treated when he makes his appearance with the teams most bitter current rival but he doesn’t feign even having a cursory grasp of the facts and reasons Packers fans are upset and might just boo the hell out of Favre.

From Howard:

He has it all.

Guts and guile.

Talent and obsession.

Stubbornness and playfulness.

And that is why the divorce was so messy.

Still, from where I sit, the love on both sides is clearly evident, I don’t care what comes out of your mouth, because the numbers on my side of this business say you are ravenous when it comes to any news concerning No.?4.

Business got in the way of this relationship, that’s all – I’m on record as stating that it was definitely time to say goodbye – but it is the only reason Brett will be standing on the wrong side of the field come Sunday afternoon.

Where in the hell do you start with this?

First off, yes Gary, we are ravenous for news about #4 – mostly because we can’t wait to hear what pile of garbage will come flowing out of his mouth the next time he’s standing at a podium. Next, you say the ONLY reason Favre will be playing with the Vikings next Sunday is because of a business relationship went wrong? Man, no wonder you head up the sports beat, because you seem to know jack shit about people and what makes their relationships tick. Good thing you just need to worry about getting the box score right and making sure your guys report who beat whom and where they did it, because if readers looked to you for any kind of illumination into the human condition, we’d all be one step closer to making the movie “28 Days Later” a reality.

Look, if you’re going to have the balls big enough to tell Packer fans how they should behave, at least have an argument that acknowledges why they MIGHT be upset. But to throw out this “He was so good to the Packers, blah blah blah” bullshit is just more than I can take.

Garry, I don’t have a problem with you telling us how YOU feel about it. It’s clear you still respect Favre (hell, I think it’s pretty clear that I still do) but for you to use your platform to treat Packer fans like a bunch of toddlers who need looking after (ok, some fall afternoons at Lambeau it sure seems this might be the case, but I digress…) is an abuse of your position, plain and simple.

Yes, I wrote a piece about how much I still love the guy – but that doesn’t mean I don’t want to punch him in the face for the way he’s behaved not just over the last two years, but the last five or six. I’m sick and tired of hearing about all the good things he did and how Packer fans are just supposed to forget the fact that Favre demanded a trade and then turned around and said how he could never play in another uniform. I’m tired of hearing how he wanted to come back and play for the Packers after retiring, when it is WELL DOCUMENTED that he and Bus Cook were calling the Vikings (and other teams as well!) about coming to play for them…ONE MONTH after retiring from the Packers.

No, Gary, Packer fans have every right to boo the hell out of Favre and your ill-judged, pious piece of crap column is an affront to thinking fans everywhere.

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You’re so sexy when you’re angry Aaron ;)

AdamInEngland said in October 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am

Why all the anger Aaron? It was a ugly divorce and the Packer Nation handled it wrong. Please admit blame and quit saying it’s all Favres fault. Packer Nation did get a draft pick out of a Retired players. Please Packer Nation you wanted this week to happen.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am

Thank You Aaron! I wanted to puke when I read this piece of shit article this morning and immediately came to your site hoping you had read it as well.

Flatty said in October 27th, 2009 at 9:45 am

Leroy Butler= Epic Hero

On Brett Favre’s return to Lambeau Field: “If you’re going to stand up wearing Packer clothing or a Packer uniform and cheer when Brett Favre comes out, you should bring a bag and put it over your head.”

green, gold said in October 27th, 2009 at 9:52 am

It has been so very difficult to read a lot of the BF love coming out this week and still be able to post rational thoughts. I simply don’t understand how many could call themselves Packers fans. Quite frankly, I’m ashamed to have people like Howard associated with my team. My feelings on this are very clear and you were kind enough to give me a forum to express them after #4 signed with the Queens. I acknowledge my opinion is clearly not the only one but I also acknowlegde that Mr. Howard’s view is simply the wrong one.
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I’m hoping this game is on national TV on the east coast so I don’t have to leave my house (and I’m sure it will be). If I go to a sports bar and see a another supposed Packer fan in a purple #4 jersey it will end badly for both of us. Better for me to stay home ’cause I just don’t get it

Andrew In Atlanta said in October 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Andrew, here is a map of where the game will be shown.If you live in the red area, you’re good!

http://the506.com/nflmaps/2009/08-FOX-L.html

IronMan said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am

Thank you for nailing this. I was seething this morning after I read the article. The fact that people can get still get this so wrong absolutely baffles me.

You can appreciate all that he did while still hating what he has become. And what he has become (bitter, petty, liar, etc) is who he is today. Anyone want to cheer that?

Jason Albert said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am

Packer Nation should have kissed his rear. This Man was a very important part of many wonderful years in Green Bay. 16 years, many division championships, two appearances in super bowls, many frustrating years of poor draft picks and lost players in free agency. So what if one year he waffled over coming back or not. He was more loyal and stayed longer than many others who left. Lombardi, Holmgren many other players. Don’t forget Favre was traded, he wanted to stay. Green Bay didn’t want him. He is coming back on Sunday to show the Packer Nation what they tossed him to the curb. I don’t blame Favre for wanting to shove it down the Green and Gold’s face. I would be ashamed to call myself a packer fan. And I hope they do boo him. I believe he will play better with that kind of response.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am

Todd – would you be angry if Peterson demanded a trade? Would you be pissed if he retired and then ONE MONTH later was calling the Packers? Of course you would.

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am

@Jason Albert

One year he waffled over coming back or not?? One year??? What are you, three years old? Or can’t you remember back past 2007? The guy was a waffle machine for years.

Larry said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:09 am

Thanks IM

Andrew In Atlanta said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:10 am

Aaron,
What do you *really* think?

bucky said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:14 am

Hey, Corey! Wish I could be at the game! Boy, do I ever! Do me a favor – please hold up a sign that reads, “Ted was right” – I think this would be an appropriate way to welcome the old man back. Wish every Packers fan in the stadium would hold one up. That is one welcome that would drill all the way down to his puny little prima donna heart and one he would not soon forget.

Dan said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:14 am

Aaron – I understand the frustration but when Peterson retires or moves on through free agency. (I hope the first). I will always open my arms up to welcome him back if he wants to rejoin the team no matter how ugly the divorce was because I will remember those collisions and punishing run-ins with the other opponents. I will forgive him even if he insulted the team. This man lays it out on the field every Sunday open to injury and frankly death the way he runs the ball. I believe the organization owes him a lot more than what they pay him.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:16 am

Todd do you have nothing better to do then troll our packers site? Im sure all your cronies will be willing to bash us on your own site. if the vikings are so dominate then why did they play bad against bad teams as you say. IMO With the exception of penalties the Packers looked great the last two weeks. Many Vikings backers on this site. They point out that Cleveland and the Lions are meaningless teams and spit their venom. Any football fan knows that regardless of record no team should be taken for granted. If the two teams the Packers played are so bad then why did Minnesota give up 533 yards in offense and 33 points to the same two teams that the Packers gave up 288 total yards and 3 points explain that Todd Im sure we all would love to hear your explaination on that

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:19 am

Todd – it’s impressive that you know for certain how you would feel in a hypothetical situation. Kudos for that.

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:21 am

plus todd did you realize that Rodgers has a rating of 110.8 and Brett Favre is playing great with a 102.2. Minnesota’s defense is 17th in yds and 17th in points given up while Green Bay’s defense is 3rd in yardage and 6th in points per game. Minnesota’s offense is 3rd in points and 12th in yardage per game while Green Bay’s is 9th and 8th.

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:22 am

I think Garry is Jealous and wants to get his article in the NY Times

Corey B. said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:22 am

i’ve got to echo adaminengland’s sentiments here… i mean, i’m comfortable with my sexuality, but damn aaron – i’m just sayin’ is all…

to steal from packergeeks – this post is tremendously not bad.

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am

Larry – that was Todd who said “one year”, not Jason Albert.

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:35 am

The record speaks for it’s self Mr. PackerFan4Life. Don’t complain about where you’re at and where the Vikes are at. The Monday Night Game spoke for itself and Mr. Rodgers didn’t show up to play. Favre outplayed your Green And Yellow, plain and simple. Have fun on Sunday, I know I will because I’ll be there donning Purple and Gold.
Have a great week sweating your next L.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:36 am

Wonder what Bedard thinks about his editor in chief.

I agree that Favre can hate Thompson. That is his right to get angry with his employer. BUT, he is going to stick it to 72,000 packer fans in the stadium and millions around the world as well, when we have done nothing against him at all, except hope he would make up his mind to play. Why he thinks he can stick it to us for having done nothing but support him in thick and thin is beyond me.

Sunday we will cheer the Green Bay Packers. Thompson and McCarthy may make mistakes and have issues. But they are fighting for our GREEN BAY PACKERS. I have absolutely no doubt about that. Favre is fighting against us. Now he is the enemy. Nothing more, nothing less.

jrarick said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:41 am

PackerFan4life – I appreciate all the stats but frankly stats are for suckers. They rarely project a win. I do agree that on any given Sunday any team can win but that said it’s all about X’s and O’s

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:41 am

To piggy back on LeRoy Butler’s comment about how any Packer ”fan” who wants to still cheer on Favre when he returns should wear bag over their head….may I recommend plastic?

wgbeethree said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:46 am

actually kleinsasser if you would put your glasses on you would see that rodgers is above favre on the rankings and your right thats why the stats dont lie and the queens played like hell against a couple of bad teams as you all like to put it.

Todd, stats dont lie, call it for suckers or what you will but they dont lie

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am

Aaron – I’m a loyal fan. When Moss left the Vikings I was disappointed that they let him go. Moss did some shady things in the organization but I still looked pass all that and remembered the 89 yard receptions, sandwiched between two defender catches. The man was amazing and I forgave him. Packer’s fans should be ashamed of themselves for such comments about a Wisconsin Icon.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:54 am

Todd, he is the enemy now. He went to our biggest rival out of spite.

But the two greatest plays on Sunday were watching Favre chase defenders (for a short time) down the field as they ran for touchdowns!

jrarick said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:56 am

agreed Todd, I still love Randy. Any Packer fan who blames Favre for Ted Thompson being bullheaded should realize Favre is the Red Herring.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am

Yes jrarick I agree he is the enemy now. He did the unthinkable and joined the Vikings. I even cringed when I heard the news. I hated this man with a passion but that said I still respected him. I always said Brett was an in creditable player and deserved the respect the NFL gives him. I would never no matter what happens call him such names that were written on this post.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:03 am

Regardless of the he said/she said stuff, frankly, he is a Minnesota Viking. How can anyone cheer a Minnesota Viking in Lambeau? How? How? It is impossible. Now, we don’t have to be derogatory toward him. But we absolutely must cheer only the CURRENT Packers. We want them to DESTROY the Vikings, get first place in the division and win their FOURTH Super Bowl trophy!!! Bottom line. Win the Super Bowl and completely forget Favre (until his number is retired in 50 years or so).

jrarick said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:06 am

jrarick – I agree with your statement. and I also hope everyone boos Brett on Sunday. I believe he will play better than. Go Vikings.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am

We know you want to DESTROY us, but that’s not a reality. I think Mr. Favre will find Lambeau like an old pair of shoes. He’ll slip right back in and do what he does best pick apart defenses especially mediocre defenses.
SKOL VIKINGS!!

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am

“I think Mr. Favre will find Lambeau like an old pair of shoes.” Completely agree. Too bad for you it will be the same pair as the last game he played there…

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am

how can you say we a a mediocre defense when we rank in the top 5, the team the vikings faced week 4 is not the same team the they will see sunday and you can bet on that! This time the queens cant pump in crowd noise. Your already claiming victory for a game that has yet to be played. I hope if if and when the packers beat the queens you and toad are in here to take a verbal bashing an ready to eat crow.

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am

With reference to an old pair of shoes, I hope it’s the right one worn by Red on “That 70s” show and the Packers defense is wearing it!

formerscribe said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am

Now THIS is the Aaron Nagler fans and stalkers love! Welcome Back, Aaron!

PackersRS said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:21 am

Mr. Kleinsasser, I remember a 34-0 beatdown not too long ago (2 years). So destroying you is not out of the realm of possibility.

jrarick said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:21 am

I’ll make you Green Bay Packer fans a promise. If the Packers beat the Vikings this coming Sunday. I will post a very positive response about the puke Packers on Monday but until than Rogers can only throw cabbages better than Favre.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am

oh jrarick they will have an excuse for that like brooks bollinger was at QB or the defense didnt show up, they didnt have mullet head, blah blah blah, you get the rest

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:24 am

pumping in crowd noise? Come on, you are really going to bring that into the equation. Reality, again, face it. Secondly, out of the realm of possibilty? No. But aliens could land and beam up Aaron Rodgers, out of the realm of possiblity, again, no. I just want to see a great game and nothing done to your former quarterback that might embarrass the fans of Green Bay. Durring all of the years that I was, no pun intended, green with envy, I never said anything or did anything against Mr. Favre or a Packer fan. I feel that something will happen on Sunday that will shame the Packer name. Mark my words.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am

I’ll be honest, I could care less that he’s a Viking and wearing a Viking uniform. It adds a bit of venom to an already contentious rivalry, but he can play for them if he wants to. That being said…..

I lost any and all respect for Brett in how he carried himself beginning in 05′. He distanced himself from teamates, wasn’t committed to football and his actions (including every ‘awe shucks, hay seed routine interview) were always focused on Brett. No, I’m not remotely angry that Brett is a Viking. I’m angry and disillusioned for being sucked into a life-long act. I thought Brett did no wrong until it became apparent that he elevated the individual (himself) above the team. Yes, even during 07′ when an underwhelming Packer squad played 3 whole teams over .500 to get a playoff opportunity.

I’m disillusioned and angry because the guy lacks character, integrity and any level of honesty. Jets fans were witness to the act as well. Hell, I’m pissed that he didn’t bother to dedicate himself to the game while wearing a Packers and Jets uniform, not to mention play within the offense instead of free-lance and lead the world in turnovers. His vindictive nature now has him focused. Why didn’t he bother to focus with his other two franchises.

So no, I don’t hate the uniform at all, I simply don’t respect the man-child that wears it.

CSS said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am

Dear Todd,

I will be awaiting your positive post about the Packers. I expect effuse praise of at least 500 words. :)

jrarick said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am

Mr. Kleinsasser, I do not believe you are a prophet. So, I will take your words with a large grain of salt.

Frankly, Favre is dead to me. Move on. Let’s win and GO PACK.

jrarick said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:40 am

CSS – Frankly you’re delusional on the frustration that Brett endured through the years in Packer hell. The organization didn’t seek personal for Favre to use. He wanted to increase the offensive talent but the organization drafted mediocre players. He didn’t get quality to back up his performance. This is why you see the angry that he now displaying. He hated the Packers enough to join a revival team. There are lots behind closed doors that we as fans don’t know about.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:44 am

It is so frustrating to even have to have these conversations 18 months after his first retirement. How anyone could even dream of cheering on good ole #4 in Lambeau is beyond me. Thanks Aaron for being a voice of reason. Fire-breathing reason, but reason nonetheless.

smanley said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:45 am

Todd, when did Favre become GM? I didn’t know he had that title as well. I always thought he was the quarterback. Now he manages the team as well? BTW, the same “mediocre” players he complained about were one drive away from the Super Bowl, except something happened in the end.

jrarick said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am

dont act like crowd noise wasnt being pumped in. 2nd you say its not reality that we wont destroy the queens? how is that not reality. do you have a magic crystal ball you can see into the future? Im sure if you do you will also see favre’s play slumpping at week 10 and throwing ints to win the game. must be wonderful to have won all those games and won the superbowl already without having played in them? so the kleinsasser the vikings already won sunday wow the game hasnt even been played. thats perception and reality 2 things you must learn. Did you not make it through high school? Perception is what you think is going to happen and reality is what has happened! thats reality or do you normally talk from your arse?

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:47 am

I wasn’t talking to you, Todd. You’ve already shown you can’t read for comprehension and make a salient point. You’re a childish intellectual midget trolling for reactions. I’m a fan of the game and don’t get into flame wars. I’ve been more then objective this whole time.

You can’t get under my skin, neither can Brett.

CSS said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am

I love Leroy Butler. Check out his answer to the second question:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports.....55357.html

manolito said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

And of course I live in Phoenix and will have the wonderful chance to see the Cardinals play instead of the event of the season…

That is why I signed up for NFL Radio.

dgtalmn said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

I was a Journal subscriber from 1970 til’ 2007. I thought I’d continue looking online, but have found it’s just a politically slanted paper, as are most jounals. It’s crap. I’m a Packer fan since the 50’s and will continue to be a Packer fan. My ex is rooting for Favre, that explains one of the reasons she’s my ex..lol. Anyways, it will be a great show, circus, game, etc… GO PACKERS!!

Just Pete said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

I live in Chicago and the radio is all over this story, and nobody gets it. Everyone says it’s all about Brett at TT. But when No. 4 goes after TT, he’s attacking Packer fans. This is not about being a good sport. This is about sticking up for your team.

ryan said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

To begin viqueen fans should stay on their sites. To say Rodgers did not show up last Monday night is stupid. The guy completed 70% of his passed and had a QB rating of 111, if that is not showing up I hope he never shows up.

Graham said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

To end, I will booo, I will booo loudly, I will piss off my wife, and everybody else will boooo tooooo. I love the poll on the article in question, 46% will booo and 20% dont know what they will do. Well once they hear 46% boooing they will boo too, and that leaves us with 66% or 2/3 people booing the purple #4. Good thing too because “we will never forget you brent!!”

Graham said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

Aaron, Amen, Amen, Amen. I was (and am on some level still) the biggest Brent fan in the world. But enough is enough. I’d be booing right along with Corey, as loud as I could be. Like he said “it’s a business relationship”. I boo opposing quarterbacks. Especially if they’ve told me I’d understand if I was a “real Packer Fan”.

foundinidaho said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

PackerFan4Life,
First of all insulting people isn’t becoming of you. Secondly you are a scared little boy. Third get real. I haven’t taken any pot shots, you’re a cheapshot artist and like to talk big to someone you don’t see in front of you. I guess the Vike fans on here are taking the high road and willing to talk the facts, not the wishings of petty pre-pubesent kids. Wait for the game, live it, breathe it in. In the end the best team (man) will win. Have a great one little man and watch my Vikings squash your “Big Boy” insults along with your hopes of beating the living legend Brett Favre.
SKOL VIKINGS!!
and don’t be a hater because a capped stadium is louder than open air. We’re working on our open air stadium and I guarantee it’ll still be louder. Great excuse, now go mow the lawn before your father gets home and he won’t let you watch the Viking game on Sunday.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Graham,
This is a public forum. Get over it. I guess I like to be informed and know my enemy. You might try it sometime.
Neutch
SKOL VIKINGS!!

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Wow this really took off! I guess I would find it pretty easy to embrace this Hall of Famer coming to my team to play. It would be simple to live in blissful ignorance about his childish ways. I wish I could be a Queens fan enjoying the newest phase of the Favre drama. Heck why shouldn’t I enjoy it, it benefits me and my team. Therefore I have the right to cast stones on all Favre’s former fans. After all, now Favre’s drama benefits me. Man it would be easy to be a queen fan.

seekr said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

When Gary buys the tickets, he can have some say over who gets boo’d. This business is entertainment, and without the angst against Favre, he’d have no job.

bomdad said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Never cast a stone ’til the first stone was cast at me. It’s cool seekr, Vikings fans don’t have a problem with it. It’s the fudge packer fans that do. I’m just defending my quarterback.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

Cheer Anakin, boo Darth Vader. The tragedy of the story doesnt change.

bomdad said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

i sent my buddy an e-mail about this post and the js article. i’m using his response without permission:

“Funny… I just read Gary Howard’s piece 20 minutes ago while I was on the shitter and was glad of where I was because I would have shat myself otherwise. I truly am sick of sportswriters spouting off with Brett Favre has “earned the right” to act like a total selfish bitch.”

i think this is the point – that no one has ever earned the right to be a lying jackass, no matter what they’ve done for anyone. lots of people get away with it for longer than they should because of their history, but it doesn’t make it acceptable.

brent and bus and the whole whiny camp have done nothing but lie and deny and scheme since tt said enough was enough – that brent wasn’t more important than the future of the team, than his teammates, than the fans.

minnesotans are now saying we don’t show him proper respect? i’m sorry, but you say – better to have cheered and lost than never to have cheered at all? well, actually, i agree – it is better – but have a vikings player worth more than spit earn your respect and be worth this much discussion, and then tell me what you’d do if he pulled the crap brent has. until then, shut the hell up, and i won’t tell you how to handle your next late season collapse, or sex-boat scandal, or player arrest.

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 27th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

I think bomdad summed it up perfectly. Now I can live with the fact that on some level I still care. So did Obi Wan Kenobi.

foundinidaho said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

I guess we now know why the JS circulation dropped another 10% in the latest report period.

Ron La Canne said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

I love this week look at all the fun were having….sweet Go Vikings.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

bomdad, beautiful. simple and beautiful.

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Sucks to know that the open aired stadium your talking about might be in LA, haha. That would suck to be on that list of possible LA teams, but I wouldn’t know how that feels.

VApackerfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Lets pick up the trash talk it’s starting to feel like a Packers stadium in here. To QUITE and no ACTION

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

hey VA Packer fan, you live in Green Bay, oh, you don’t? Well, you would understand that the town owns the team. If our city owned our team we’d already have a new stadium. At this moment in our country’s history no one wants to spend the money on a stadium even if it pays for itself (which is proven). It’s funny that the CA government ponied up the money, especially when they’re writing out IOU’s for all road construction done in the state and the schools are gettting NO money. :)
Be informed.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

Let me tell you what I really LOVED about Garry Howard’s piece…The pyramid structure of the quote you posted. The content…well….I am known to be tongue and cheek at times (often with a foot between the two) but I think an editor suddenly popping in with and article like this smells of pomposity. The kind of pomposity one would expect from someone whose parents thought he was so unique they had to spell Gary with two R’s.

brady.augustine said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

Kleinsasserfan, I see I struck a sensitive subject with you, haha. You also seem to be jealous that Packer fans are all over the country/world. There are many of us Packer fans in VA, and I’m damn proud too. Yes, I know the fans own the Pack, and that’s what makes us unique. Fans that support their teams have a better chance to have stadiums built/upgrades. Face it, your fans don’t support like we do, and you don’t have the numbers like we have.

VApackerfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

Good article, Aaron. Garry D. Howard worships Brent, and projects the various attributes of his hero as some kind of facts. Burt is not some noble character…he craves attention, and he’s all about the glory and the money. He’s also petty and vindictive. And…he’s the enemy. Telling us how to keep worshiping Bart is as stupid as it is repugnant. Leroy Butler nailed it…if you want to applaud/cheer Bert, wear a bag on your head.

Whassup with Todd from Minnihopelis? His team has fan blogs, too, doesn’t it? What a troll.

Jim in DC said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Kleinsasserfan, why aren’t you giving Kleinsasser some love on the Queen’s blogs? Are you a troll, too?

Jim in DC said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

One thing these little Queenie drips keep saying really irritates me. The constant reference to the “US” word when talking about the Queenies. Unless you have, or are now, playing for the Queens the word is not us. It should be them/they or some other appropriate pronoun. Never we or us. If you have paid attention closely to this site’s posters at all, you’ll notice we almost always use the “Packers” or some other appropriate reference to the team. Not we or us! Please Stop!

Ron La Canne said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

Packer fans don’t owe Brett a damn thing. As a Packer fan, you should (in my mind) boo the Vikings and their players. You don’t cheer for certain Minnesota players, I don’t care how dear in your heart they are.

green, gold said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

And Packer fans sure as hell don’t need Minnesota fans telling us how to act and how to feel. What kind of shit is that anyway?

green, gold said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

i hate brett favre.

cow42 said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

VAPackerFan, I’m sorry, but maybe you should talk about things you know about. I too live out of state of my team and have been to one game and two to go, including this weekend. I support my team to the fullest. It’s fine that you have numbers. We too have numbers. Have you seen this… http://online.wsj.com/article/.....64712.html
Yep, power in numbers! :)

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

Jim in DC, why yes, I give my love in many sites. Thanks for you caring buddy.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

even my 6 year old gets this…

“He plays for the vikings so we don’t like him, right dad?”
“That’s correct, son.”

so simple.

cow42 said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

Todd “To quite” – hilarious.
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For the record, “too quiet” ;)

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

Favre solidified my status as a Packer fan, but I don’t owe him shit. If people cannot see the real Favre who is obsessed with accolades and attention, then that becomes their problem. Football revolves around the team, not one player. Being a traitor deserves a traitor welcome. His “cute, innocent, hometown kid” persona expired a long time ago. Go PACK!

VApackerfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

Well I guess this means Bedard won’t come back on the transplant lol.

jc said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Green and Gold, never asked for you to cheer for Favre. I just don’t understand the viamet hate for Favre. It’s quite odd. I’ve never hated him, hated the Pack, but always, ALWAYS, respected Brett. Never disrespected him, gotten frustrated with the amazing things he’s done against my team in the past. The anger against him is staggering. I guess he wanted a reaction out of his ex-fans and I think he’s gotten it.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

BTW – glad things are being kept relatively civil between our Packer regulars and our Viking visitors. Let’s keep it that way please.

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

Fucking douche bag, who the fuck does he think he is telling me how to respond when that POS #4 comes out. In my opinion #4 owes everything he has to the Packers and their fans. Without Green Bay he would not have had the career he has.
He was a clown before Green bay and his days with the Falcons were numbered.

nc packer backer said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Klien…., Funny the U of Minn seems to have built a stadium. You mean ole’ Ziggy can’t get some of his Nordic friends to kick in? That’s a shame.

Ron La Canne said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

HAHA, Kleinsasserfan, that link you posted said nothing about your fan base. That simply said that Favre jerseys are a hot seller. That has been known for 15 years now! I know plenty of fans from other teams who are Favre fans. Look, if you are going to troll, then be informed.

VApackerfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

You bet Aaron, I’m not trying to make waves. Just trying to understand the Favre factor. Sorry if I’m crowding the site, but just trying to see (not that I don’t understand he’s gonna get worked over by the crowd on Sunday) why there is such a problem with him. Things happened both ways with him and with the association but I don’t know why you out your prodigal son. No one hated him this much last year when he left…
Just curious

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Klein – no worries. You’ve been a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks. ;)

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Ron La Canne, yes, it was built. With TCF and Alumni. I agree, Ziggy should recuit backers and then they’d own part of the stadium. I think it’s a great idea, I just hope some one takes notes. Heck, even a telethon!! LOL. I wish we had some recourse. Just waiting for it to pass the state Senate.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

And ah thank you Mr. Nagler. True, you don’t owe Brett pucky. Actually I’m expecting it. I’m just not wanting to get the brunt end of the frustration of the situation. I know I’m going to take a lot of guff and won’t want to even don a number four, lest I get beer poured on me. Just hoping, like I’ve heard many many times prior, that the Pack fans are some of the kindest and most hospitable in the NFL. I’m looking forward to my first trip to Lambeau. I’ve always wanted to experience it and am very excited.
Thank you in advance!

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

Hey Kleinsasserfan, I’ve hated the Vikings for many years as a Packer fan, only in the sports vein. We bood Tarkenton every time he played in Green Bay, but he was still a great quarterback. Oh, by the way, have you read what Tarkenton thinks of Favre..lol. He hates him more than we do ..big lol

Just Pete said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

Yeah, I know, it’s because he won’t be the biggest quarterback in the Viking’s history any longer. And honestly, Brett has a chance to bring us to the big dance. That scares an old man that’s afraid of losing his legacy. It’s sad, but it’s just like a school girl making fun of the new girl that moved to town because she’s prettier. It’s envy, plain and simple.
But yes Pete, I understand. It’s something that’s in our fiber of being. LOL, I think we thrive on it.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

Also VAPackerFan, it’s funny how the fans seem to have “waffled” to a different team with Mr. Favre. I’ve been here the whole time. :)
It has nothing to do with being informed, it’s called common sense. They’re gonna pay $80 – $250 for a player’s jersey, they’re following the player, not the team.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

The Goofers AND the Twins have new stadiums in this economy. The Vikings, why they dont have a new stadium? Maybe its because they have a RE developer for an owner.
Ron LC, we can call Packers “we” if you own stock in the team. Or live in Green Bay, apparently that comes with ownership…

bomdad said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Again VAPackerFan, I’m not trolling, I value our rivalry. I’m just wondering why the angst against Favre now and not last year? That’s my key question. I’m just trying to understand it, that’s all.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

Queens fans – you have an excellent football team (that I hate BTW) that has looked very good through the first 7 games. I’m not sure anyone realized until this year just how bad your QB situation was with TJ. So, there are your props. You deserve them. Having said that, say all you want about Wisconsin, our public football team in GB, which team has more fans, etc. It’s all good fun. But please, stop pretending you know what happened with Bert and how you would be so ok with it if something similar happened with the Queens. You don’t know and you wouldn’t be ok with it. Talk about your TEAM and we can likely co-exist. Thank you

Andrew In Atlanta said in October 27th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

the Gophers and Twin’s stadiums were approved before the economy hit the wall. Now we’re dealing with a recession. The financing occured before the money dried up. And yes Bomdad, if you infact do live in Green Bay you can call the Pack in a “we or us” fashion. I’m sorry that anyone was offended with my possession of the team I cheer for. I take great pride in them.
Thanks for understanding.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Ref: Garry D. Howard
Might I suggest everyone revisit the JS site and send Mr. Howard an email in response to his article? I’m hoping the ground swell of anti-Favre support might trigger a retraction? Probably not. . .

keeley2 said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

I understand Andrew and I’m not talking about “your” team. I’m wondering about the dynamic between Brett and the fans. It didn’t seem to be a problem last year. That’s what I’d like to get to the heart of. And I have prodominatly stuck to talking about my team (btw). :)

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

Klein – well, you picked a hell of a game as your first trip to Lambeau. What you see this weekend is a def exception to the norm – trust me.

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Araon thanks for correcting my very important remark. “Quiet” you’re Quite right

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

First off I am by far no little kid bub. secondly you have taken pot shots at us and others in here all I have to do is go back to the topic copy and paste it to show your ignorant hilljack kofa. I would be more then willing to say any of what I have so far to your face. I have talked facts and your not willing to hear them, you always revert back to “reality and say the vikings won this and the vikings won that but when I pur up stats its for suckers? how is that? can you not deal with reality about the stats and facts provided. It seems you are teh scared little kid hiding behind the screen. I hope your in here sunday ready to eat crow. You just seem so sure teh vikings are gonna win and so you say “squash” my big boy talk. I bet you dont even have the balls to show up if they lose? so remind me if its all about facts and stats how many rings the queens have?? Hopefully with luck your so called team will be shipped to LA then what? I will be laughing when brent leaves your so called team in shambles with no option at QB. Call me a little biy make the mommy and daddy references it just shows how unintelligent and unoriginal you really are malaka

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

Kleinsasserfan, it’s pretty simple why the is much more “animosity” towards him now. It’s because there is much more animosity between Packers and Vikings fans than there is between Packers and Jets fans. MUCH more. I mean, MUCH more.
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A lot of people still continued to cheer for him last year, because that didn’t implie that they would be cheering against the Packers. Now, that is not the case.

PackersRS said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Yeah Aaron, I got me and my families tickets before “the unretirement” and it proves to be hectic. I hope all ends well and I’m just excited to soak in the stadium. I’ve heard there isn’t a bad seat in the house and it’s a tribute (and originator) to great stadiums. I’ll be happy to be there, but I will mind my P’s and Q’s keeping the cheering loud.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

Klein – see, that is where you are so wrong (about the frustration with Favre just this year). This blog is littered with BF posts and responses for the last two years. Many of us have been over the whole BF thing for 4 or 5 years. It’s not just this year. Far from it. You simply don’t have the history of writings and musings that regulars on CHTV have. So like I said, the banter is great and it’s what makes the rivalry so special. Just don’t go where you don’t have the facts – about what we think or why we think it or how long we’ve been thinking it. You’re seeing the end result, not the years of posts that led up to it

Andrew In Atlanta said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

Flying Saucer Fan –
A few things:
1. This isn’t your fight – this is between Packer fans and # 4. Stay out of it.
2. There are millions of words written about this subject starting in the spring of 2008. I don’t think we can do justice to the topic on this blog. Do a search on this blog to get caught up.
3. Good luck at the game this weekend. Normally, Packer fans are pretty cordial and accomodating (stress “normally”). This weekend’s game is not normal. Showing up in Viking gear might not be such a good idea. (I hope I’m wrong).
4. Good luck getting your stadium deal through the legislature. With T-Paw at the helm, you’ve got about as much chance of getting funding as Bernie Madoff has of getting an invite to the Wall Street Investors Man of the Year Awards.

keeley2 said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

“VAPackerFan, I’m sorry, but maybe you should talk about things you know about. I too live out of state of my team and have been to one game and two to go, including this weekend. I support my team to the fullest. It’s fine that you have numbers. We too have numbers. Have you seen this… http://online.wsj.com/article/…..64712.html
Yep, power in numbers!”

There would be some real worth to the above information if not for this fact: The jersey is a first-issue, which means it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the fans that already have a Tom Brady (or any other famous player’s) jersey doesn’t have to buy one.

formerscribe said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

PackFan, you started challenging my intellegence and I think that you’re the one that should really look at what you mean and how you hurt your team’s great fan base. I WILL be there and I’ve had my tickets for two and a half months before Favre came back. Thanks for cementing who you really are.
God bless

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

Thanks Keely, I appreciate it.
I hope all goes well and I understand where you come from.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

That’s exactly it PackerRS. I just find it fickle how the tides change. It’ll prove to be a fun game.
Thanks fellas! See you at Lambeau!!

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

Keeley2, Flying Saucer Fan?? lol, that’s good. Anyways, Kleinsasserfan, I went to Packer games from 1958 to 1982. The Bears were the biggest rivalry, and we sat on the visitors side, 50 yrd line, in the middle section. It was always good fun, the Bears fans were always the most boisterous. It usally didn’t get out of hand unless a drunken Bear fan got too ruley. Packer ticket holders don’t usually get out of hand for fear of loosing their tickets with over 20,000 waiting in line to take them. I was lucky enough to sit in front of the legend Ray Nitchke for many years after his retiremnent and before his death. He was the true meaning of a Packer fan, not just a player, class all the way, so go enjoy the atmosphere, there’s nothing like it in the world..yes , the world.

Just Pete said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

It’s amazing how the same points of the favre argument get brought up a hundred times by both sides and neither gets tired of repeating themselves.
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In over a century of sports we haven’t seen an Legend go to a rival in a manner as ugly as this. He plays for the vikings. Enough said.

Asshalo said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

I appreciate it Pete, I think I will enjoy it because honestly, I know that 99% are class in Lambeau. Honestly.
Have a great night sir!

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

how did I challenge your intelligence or lack there of? please explain that. you seem to know EVERYTHING about the packers and football. I know who I am and been a fan for over 30 years son so know your facts before YOU judge someone and call them a kid. when the facts show you have been a kid trolling a PACKERS fan site to stir things up. How did I personally hurt the packers fan base? hahah thats hilarious. the great miso speaks again

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

I’ve heard plenty from “true” Packer fans how one is supposed to comport oneself vis-a-vis Mr. Favre. Apparently, one cannot be a true Packer fan without sharing the emotions and fantasies of the Favre-haters. That’s not really any different from some guy saying fans should not boo.
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The Packers & Vikings play professional, for-money football, and high school notions of team-spirit & identity don’t apply. Players switch teams.

Mr. Optimistic said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

Is this the record for comments on a post? Whether it is or not, im not sure the arguments from Minny fans helps or not. Sure it sparks good debate, but it results in every post becoming Min v GB regardless of the beginning topic of discussion.

AdamInEngland said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

PackerFan4Life – I won’t be throwing around stats like “I’ve been a fan for over 30 years.” Makes you sound old.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

thanks todd as my wife says Im getting grayer around the edges lol

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

AdamInEngland – I wouldn’t worry too much. After this week, I’m pretty sure both fighters will return to their corners. ;)

Aaron Nagler said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Boo the f@uck out him, and then boo some more. Us Packer fans don’t owe him sh@t. Some of you act like he cured cancer, or is some American hero. He is a football player, PERIOD. Keep putting players on pedestals like this & this type of situation will constantly repeat itself.

..oh yea, is it me or does it seem like some of CheeseheadTV’s biggest fans/followers are Viking fans? Are things that bad over in the Vikings blogoshere(Do they even have blogs?)?

Pack Fan In Enemy Territory said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

I too PackFan4Life have been a fan for 31 years “dont act like crowd noise wasnt being pumped in. 2nd you say its not reality that we wont destroy the queens? how is that not reality. do you have a magic crystal ball you can see into the future? Im sure if you do you will also see favre’s play slumpping at week 10 and throwing ints to win the game. must be wonderful to have won all those games and won the superbowl already without having played in them? so the kleinsasser the vikings already won sunday wow the game hasnt even been played. thats perception and reality 2 things you must learn. Did you not make it through high school? Perception is what you think is going to happen and reality is what has happened! thats reality or do you normally talk from your arse?”
Maybe you should go talk down to someone like your wife or child. I don’t appreciate being treated that way. As for me calling you a kid it’s because you need to grow up. You hurt your team because you’re fanatical. I can spout stats but the only one that matters is what has happened.
Have a good one “4″

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

I’m done fighting PackerFan4Life, we love our teams. That will never change. Agree to disagree.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

haha even better now its I talked down to you. Let me remind you of who is out of place here. YOU ARE. The last time I checked this was a Packers blog not vikings not the bears, and not the lions or any other team at that. If you want to talk trash then go to your own blog forum. Sorry I am a fanatical fan have been for years an many other packers fans are the same. As for calling you a kid I do believe you are the one to throw that out first! So dont turn it around to make it look like you are a saint. you said I was quote unquote “a scared little boy” an also “not the wishings of petty pre-pubesent kids” make sure you know what you said earlier before you hand out the convictions. You need to grow up take your own advice. If all you can do is say what has happened quit impling that you have already beat us before the game is played!

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Kleinsasserfan, you differ from the Packers fans here as we are here, on CheeseheadTV, because it’s an uber Packers fan blog, and we’re Packers fans. Are any of us trolling the Vike’s fan blogs? I’m sure as hell not. I still don’t understand why you and Todd, etc., are here, other than to troll.

We cheer our team and boo their opponents. It sure isn’t very fan-like to cheer our team’s opponents in our team’s stadium. That’s not being a fan (short for fanatic) at all.

Hating on Favre is easy, after the drama of the last so many years, and the retirement/unretirement saga. If you think we’re wrong, too bad. He’s our psycho ex-girlfriend. He (she) wants to “key our cars.” But enough of the psycho ex talk…he’s also the visiting QB, so he’s gonna get booed. That’s just the way it is. That’s just the way it should always be. Enjoy the game. And hopefully the loss. :^D

Jim in DC said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

Hey Queens fans…We got three Super Bowl trophies. Wanna borrow one?

JerseyPackFan said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

What seems to be forgotten in all of these comments is that Brett Favre owes more to Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren, The Green Bay Packers, and the Packers fan base than they owe him.
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Fact: He was a drunk. I used to see him at the Cock and Bull on Main St. back in the early 90’s. Partying like a rock star. This is after he got ran out of Atlanta (yes, I thought Wolf was foolish to trade a 1st for him.)
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Fact: He was an interception machine for many years before he finally got it. he reverted to the high interception rates after Holmgren left.
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Fact: He was an amazing quarterback who could turn nothing into something spectacular.
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Fact: He was a junkie. His battle with his addiction to pain killers helped him grow up though.
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Fact: He waffled about retirement for several years before he actually retired.
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Try reading this to understand the thoughts and feelings of many Packer fans.
http://hesgotallkindsoftime.bl.....art-i.html
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For the record, I was a Favre fan for years. Now I wonder if Favre was pushing around Sherman for many years. The fact that he tried to tell TT whom to get in Free Agency and whom to interview for coach just shows how out of control he had become. Did it start with TT or had he been doing it for years? Unfortunately, we’ll probably never know because Sherman will never talk.
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By the way, why did Shanahan get fired from Denver? Because he thought he could tell the GM what to do. The GM is in charge and no one man is bigger than the organization.

MCS said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

JerseyPackFan – Nope yours are too rusty.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

MCS – My only issue with your whole statement is, you Packer Fans bring this up like it’s recent news. This was going on during those years of praising and worshiping the packer ICON. Why now old Packer Fans do you trash talk the ICON of Wisconsin. LOL, I will enjoy this year tremendously.

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

two years ago, his shitty playing against the Giants (i remember yelling inside of me PUT RODGERS IN!!!!) and that goddamn interception…that was the moment i was done with Favre. Sure the was the business side, but his ego and pride made this a bigger mess than it should. I used to love the man, now i dont care. He plays for the queens, he is now any other opposing player i want the D to put the smack on. Im glad i live in California, where it seems many writters see what see as fans (specially here in Fresno) where they refer to Favre as a traitor, not much to the organization that made him an idol, but to the fan base…im mexican so in tradition i bought candles with the virgin mary and everyday i pray to EL SANTO CLAY MATHEWS to lay a nice ass whopping cometh sunday! GO PACK!!!

alfredomartinez said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

Most comments ever?

NickGBP said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

PackerFan4Life, yeah, I was the one calling you a kid first. When you talk down to people regardless of their team preference you’re acting like someone that needs to take a step back and realize that you yourself sound like the Neanderthal. You questioned if I finished high school, classy. Then continued to used sarcasm in a sophomoric at best satirical fashion. This is why I compared you to a child. This is why I told you to grow up. I explained myself before and I don’t think you understood. I’m glad I clarified that for you once again.
Good luck on Sunday 4Life
I do like how you have a 4 in your moniker.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 27th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Since my comments were moderated during the Sunday game chat(for no apparent real reasoning), then I would assume that Aaron or Corey would do the same to these Viking fans. I mean all they are here for is to pick fights anyway.
Pandering to Viking fans, and alienating Packer fans, kind of arse backwards don’t you think?
” get a grip ” Corey and take charge of your blog.

Pack Fan In Enemy Territory said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

In the end, I root for the laundry and my laundry is green and gold. The people wearing it come and go. Sometimes we’re stuck cheering for Jim Del Gaizo, sometimes Brent Favre. It is those that went before that give the green and gold its meaning for me.

I was rewarded in the 90’s for being a fan in the 70’s. those who stuck by the teams in the 50’s were rewarded greatly in the 60’s. Visiting the Packet HOF this summer, it is easy to see why I have this affinity for the Pack. They are Wisconsin. They work hard. play by the rules and win (sometimes).

Part of it is Hudson, Lombardi, and Reggie, but another part of it is my grandfather cheered them, my father cheered them, my brother and I put on the jersey and the pastic helmets in the backyard and now my kids are shareholders. We’ve had Milwaukee/gold package season tickets since as long as I can remember. I pity other fans of other teams that don’t have this kind of history.

Favre brought me some excellent memories. The childish breakup will fade for me over time. But right now he wears someone else’s laundry and by God he’s coming into my house and trying to take something that belongs to me! If I were lucky enough to be at Lambeau on Sunday I would boo as loud as possible every time the purple #4 touched the ball. I expect my proxies to do the same in my absence.

Favre is not the Packers. Never was. Just a nice part of something much bigger than he. And I expect that full weight of the Packer aura and the current wearers of my beloved green and gold to crush him deep into the heating coils of the once frozen tundra. And the collective roar of the fans at Lambeau, the fans across the country, and the fans looking down from their rightful place in heaven will cause the norsemen to turn tail and cower back to the safety of their climate-controlled home. Amen.

Doug in Sandpoint said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm my god have you not heard of sarcasm? i give up tryin to make you understand. Im now a Neanderthal. lol I didnt know there were school grade levels to sarcasm and when to use those certain types thanks for clarifying that for me. i dont know what I would have done without that useful input. So by me telling you that you were out of place makes me not classy? wow where do you get this stuff? If you dont like the way I talk, the way we are fanatical about OUR team then leave. No one asked you to come in here and no one sure as hell is keeping you from going. Make sure to not let the door hit you on the way out. Im sure that will be childish too in your eyes. Im to the point with NO BS sorry if you cant handle that

PackerFan4Life said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

LEt the Queens fans stay. Besides it must be real hard for Queens fans to type with one hand since the other hand is firmly in place around their necks after last weeks loss. I`m patiently waiting for that other hand to leave the keyboard and take its familiar spot.

“Rusty” Todd??? I`d rather it be “rusty” then dusty like your teams trophy case. Oh wait..your team doesnt have one..Sorry.

JerseyPackFan said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

Very well said Doug.

Andrew In Atlanta said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

Of all the articles about Brent I’ve read in the last couple years (and believe me I’ve read a lot) this is the most disgusting. Brent couldn’t care less about the Pack, and, Honestly Brent, we couldn’t care less about you. Earlier in the season, Brent said that the Vikings were “the best team I’ve ever played on.” how can a Packer fan hear those words and cheer for the guy on Sunday. It’s mind-boggling how massive and inflated Brent’s ego is, and I hope he throws ten picks against the Pack. In my opinion, Packers fans shoul not go over board on Brent, just treat him like any other Viking and he will realize that, at least in Packer Nation, his selfish ego will get him nowhere. I know I said I was done with Brent, but this is just too much.

PACKERS said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

” Why now old Packer Fans do you trash talk the ICON of Wisconsin. ”

Minn. Todd has fallen (like many) for the BF PR Machine that has existed since the nineties……. If he were placed in a room with a 100 randomly selected die-hard PackFans, he would have a better idea of how Packer Fans really viewed BF from start to finish as a Packer QB.
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Unfortunately, Minn. Todd is just another pansy to the media hype & lore……… It’s easy to be a ball-washer at 6-1……… Ask the Jets.

WoodyG said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

Tampa Bay has more Vince Lombardi Trophies than Minnihopelis. Tampa frickin’ Bay! LOL!

Jim in DC said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

Hey toad, don’t you mean FORMER Wisconsin icon?? He lost our respect when he decided that he was going to act like a two year old and join the Packs worst rival just to get “revenge”

PACKERS said in October 27th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

The boos should be so loud when the huddle breaks for the Qweens that signals cannot be heard at the line…… The Vikes are forced to call a TO to an even louder chorus of boos….
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It’s apalling that a so-called sports editor uses his rag in an attempt to influence fan behavior……. If anything, his suggestions will bring the opposite & rightfully so……..

WoodyG said in October 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Ted Thompson was WRONG! And Favre’s gonna prove it again this weekend. Ted is a snake in the grass and you fools at his MEDIOCRE alter. Is he above .500 yet, jackasses?

Yeah..Ted Thompson kisses alot of (man) ass..unforturnately, it wasn’t FAVRE’s…and now he’s gonna PAY!

hahahahahahahahahaha

Pack66 said in October 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

Real classy, Pack66. Keep loving your boy Brent. We’ll stick with the Packers.

Jim in DC said in October 27th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

Keep stickin’ with mediocre LOSERS Ted Thompson and Erin Rodgers (The New Jeff George of the NFL..)

He puts up alot of stats, but he’s NOT a Winner….just like Jeff George.

And Ted Thompson just sucks. 5 years and he still can’t fix the O-Line..But by all means, stick with the guy who’s ruining the Packers and turn on the guy who delivered you from obscurity, Brett Favre!

I can’t wait til’ he kicks your asses again and all the excuses and the tears start flowing in Packerland again….

Maybe he’ll wipe his butt on your goal post…(I hope he does..)

You people have no loyalty and no class…(Worst fans in the NFL…)

Pack66 said in October 27th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

For all responses on WHY NOW Packers. The irony is very amusing. The once Icon of Wisconsin is now playing in Purple. I understand your frustration but it won’t stop me from laughing. I love the 2009 season no matter what happens. LOL>>>>>>>

Todd From Minnesota said in October 27th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

I can’t wait to see Brent throw a pick, pretend to chase the CB, and then face plant himself so he won’t half to get is hands dirty just like what he did in the last Vikings game.

PACKERS said in October 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

It’s mathematically proven: 12>4. Okay. That’s all I have to say.

PACKERS said in October 27th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

good god. i really hope this ends. this is like waking up and every morning there’s 4 more lepers living in your kitchen.

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 27th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

Yeah. I know what you mean. I just want thisbro he over.

PACKERS said in October 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

I’m with ya, Aaron. I almost puked when I read Howard’s column.

Jack said in October 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

Just an interesting observation…

I…am a true Packers fan.

And I have never heard of Garry Howard before reading this article.

What does that tell you?

C.D. Angeli said in October 27th, 2009 at 11:42 pm

CD Angeli..I am a TRUE Packer fan, and I never heard of YOU! What does that tell you..?

I think Howard’s article is right on the money, and anyone with a little class would agree.

Everytime I think of Ted Thompson, I almost puke. He is single handedly destroying the Packers with his incompetence.

You people need to WAKE UP!

I thought this was your SUPER BOWL year?

Do you still feel that way?

haha

Pack66 said in October 28th, 2009 at 5:32 am

TED THOMPSON = EPIC FAIL

Pack66 said in October 28th, 2009 at 5:33 am

Is it okay to laugh at Pack 66 seeing as he seems to be a sufferer of schizophrenia? He rips on everything Packers, but then says statements like “I am a TRUE packer fan” and his name would suggest he is referencing Superbowl I in 1966 (not hard to guess who won that one is it)

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This is classic – (referring to TT) “Is he above .500 yet, jackasses?”. Evidently Pack 66’s mind has erased 07 like a Pats fan does Superbowl 42.

AdamInEngland said in October 28th, 2009 at 7:53 am

Pack66 – you’ve walked into this one I’m afraid. You say “I am a TRUE Packer fan” -
so let me ask you straight up: Who do you want to win on Sunday? If you say anything other than “The Packers”, you are not a true Packer fan. Cheers.

Aaron Nagler said in October 28th, 2009 at 8:27 am

Aaron (you brought me over here from the ‘mayor’ post). I admit, you make a good point – no one should tell the fans what they should do. How about a plea? There are many of us (maybe half; maybe a minority), who don’t hate Favre. We will also be at the game. Give us our two minutes as Favre comes out of the tunnel to thank him for what he did for Green Bay the 1st 17 years. If Favre is as evil as the haters portray him to be, he won’t care about being boo’d by Packers fans. However, it will ruin the experience for those of cheering. Please hold off on the boo’s for those few moments. Once the game starts, have at it. I’ll be busy cheering for the Pack to beat Minnesota.

backthepack4 said in October 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am

backthepack4:

As has been asked many, many times – how can you cheer for a player not donning a green and gold uniform?

formerscribe said in October 28th, 2009 at 10:46 am

I would not cheer during the game, but before the game is different to me. Kind of like I cheer for any ex-Packer that I see at Lambeau (I even cheer Majkowski when I see him walking the sidelines -even though he had the audicity to play for the Lions). Don’t get me wrong, once the game starts – he’s the enemy.

backthepack4 said in October 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am

backthe(former)pack4: Sorry, there’s no “on” or “off” switch here. Besides, when you spot the Majik Man walking in street clothes, what do you think are the chances he’s there with for the sole purpose of making your team look bad – for his own personal pleasure?

If you can answer yes to that question, then be my guest, cheer as loud as you want for Brent – before, during and after the game.

formerscribe said in October 28th, 2009 at 11:08 am

backthepack4, once you and the teams are in the stadium, you are either supporting the Packers or you aren’t. Having it both ways sends the wrong message to the Packers players that are going to give their all to win. If you don’t want to boo Brent, you also have the option of remaining silent when he takes first takes the field. Just my two cents…

Jim in DC said in October 28th, 2009 at 11:09 am

I liked Longwell and Sharper when they were Packers. When they came to Lambeau as Vikings I cheered them when they were announced – and a lot of other people did to. I really don’t think it sends the wrong message, I think it’s a classy thing to do.

backthepack4 said in October 28th, 2009 at 11:25 am

So now these clowns are complaining that booing Favre will “ruin the moment”? Give me a freaking break. Screw the moment. Screw Favre. He plays for the other team. Boo him so loudly that his ears bleed.

bucky said in October 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am

Not the time or place for cheers. That will happen after he retires and comes back for the ceremonies.
Favre is a big boy. He CHOSE to play with the Vikings, as did others. He will come with the intent of beating the Pack, taking the division from our favorite team. See Butler. He should expect no better than to get the treatment reserved for an opponent.
I hope the cheers will be deafening for the Pack.

Glorious80s said in October 28th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

here’s my levels of respect and support, from the top down, as constituted right now:

1. the packers (team)
2. current packers players (individuals)
3. current packers staff (coaches, etc.)
4. former packers players (honorable discharge)
5. other packer fans
6. other well-run nfl teams not in the nfc north
7. respectable players playing for another team not in the nfc north.
8. talentless but classy nfl players not in the nfc north
9. classless but talented players not in the nfc north.
10. 8,9, not on the vikings roster, detroit, chicago players allowed.
11. the adolescent kids that carry the coaches’ cables around behind them.
12. ironically enough, these days – tarvaris jackson
13. washed-up male models with coke habits and breath that smells of liver pate.
14. centipedes who escape my swatting.
15. jared allen
16. centipedes who are too sickly or oblivious to escape my swatting
17. ex-franchise qb’s who lie and scheme their way into playing for the vikings because they feel mistreated by the front office.

i stop cheering for anyone/anything around #5. why would anyone let applause make it all the way down to #17?

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 28th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

i forgot, right before jared allen: the invisible hog jared allen keeps tying up – because he apparently it’s able to keep untying himself when allen isn’t sacking a qb. that’s one talented hog.

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 28th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

That “invisible hog” is a calf and I can’t wait until it has been caught 6 times on Sunday. He’ll keep chasing it. Chase away Mr. Allen, chase away.

Kleinsasserfan said in October 28th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

well, football aside, i think it’s pretty clear that mr. allen needs to work on tying a good tight knot, or try a different method. it may be a calf, but i think it’s got thumbs.

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 28th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

First of all, I’m a born and raised Packer fan transplanted by employment to Texas in 2002. I grew up with Lombardi for his whole stint in GB, went through the dark ages of the 70’s and 80’s and here is my take on this whole Brent issue. In my opinion Favre had better fall on his knees and give thanks every morning for Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren. Here’s why. I absolutely believe that if it were not for Wolf putting him next to Holmgren in 92, Favre would have been out of the league by 2000. Holmgren is fully responsible for reining in that cocky, drunken, undisciplined player and taking him to the Superbowl. When Holmgren left the Packers, Favre did not win one more thing, he just rode his Gunslinger image, thanks in great part to the media. Favre is a media delight, because he is polarizing. But Favre is no where near the caliber of winner like Starr, Unitas, Montana, Elway, Brady, and even Peyton Manning. He’s a player whose ego is greater than his talent. All that BS prior to the last MN game that Favre had beaten every team except the Packers. BS. He beat the Packers many times over the years. How many seasons did he end with his gunslinging to the opposing DB’s? I lost all respect for him years ago, when his ego reared it’s ugly head. He cost Sherman his job, (granted Sherman sucked as GM but he was a decent coach), he cost Mangini his gig last year. Unfortunately he will cost Childress his job this year as well when the Vikes crash and burn the last half of the season as usual. Childress is such a stupid and arrogant and lousy coach the Vikes might actually hire someone talented to replace him and that wouldn’t be good.

AustinPackerFan said in October 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

Ahhh..you’re post is full of horse****, and doesn’t smell as good, AustinPackfan…

And just what did Holmgren win after he left Green Bay eh? Did he win a Superbowl?

I don’t think so…

It cuts both ways, Homer…

Pack66 said in October 28th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

Austin,

This is the kind of crap that makes America hate the Packers and their fans.

Their sour grape bull****, and twisting the facts to write their own bitter re-visionist history regarding Brett Favre and the Packers..

You guys are so twisted that you can’t stand a player who gets National attention. You turn on him, even before he left, because of your self-loathing and hatred of anyone in the lime-light.

Favre isn’t a winner?

He has the NFL RECORD for winning the most games as a starting QB? What do you call that?

Don’t get all “moralistic” on us. Hornung, McGee, and others were drunken louts, womanizers, and profligate gamblers to the extent that they make Favre look like a choirboy. The only difference is that you didn’t hear about it.

That’s what I hate about Packer fans. Their “holier-than-thou” attitudes towards everyone else.

That’s why I hope Favre gives you the beat down that you deserve this week, so you can have your serving of humble pie, which you desperately need..apparently.

Pack66 said in October 29th, 2009 at 6:41 am

Packk66 – so your answer to my question above is “The Vikings”. So you are not a Packer fan. Got it.

Aaron Nagler said in October 29th, 2009 at 8:34 am

i smell a turd in sheep’s clothing. or rather, a viking fan with a packerfan’s moniker.

joshywoshybigfatposhy said in October 29th, 2009 at 8:50 am

Pack66. It’s amazing how completely you’ve missed the point. First of all, you talk about Pack fans as if you weren’t one, so why do you pretend to be one. Next, let me explain why were mad at Brent. When the Pack said that Brent would not be playing for them anymore, any QB-lacking team would have been happy to have him, but Brent demanded to be traded to the Vikings just so he could get “revenge” on the Pack. The reasons that you stated simply don’t make any sense. Why would we hate someone for being famous?
Anyone who will be at the game boo Brent for me.

PACKERS said in October 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

Packers..

It is not I who “missed the boat”, but you, and everyone who thinks like you.

How can you not see that you, TT, and all the Packer brass didn’t want Favre anymore. Ok..fine. Misguided and wrong headed, but fine.

So, Favre still wants to play football. What is supposed to do? Go to the K.C. Chefs or some other losing franchise to make YOU and Ted Thompson happy?

I don’t think so.

He wanted to go where he could “win” football games and a place that was familiar. That would be Minnesota..

The fact that you guys are acting like a bunch of whiny babies is hysterical…Especially when Favre beats you.

And yes, I want the PACKERS to lose just like a fan might want his team to lose when they have bad record, to get a higher draft pick so his team can get better.

Well, I want the Pack to lose so that they can FIRE THAT INCOMPETENT SNAKE, TED THOMPSON, so that my team, the GREEN BAY PACKERS can get better and start to heal…

Pack66 said in October 30th, 2009 at 8:05 am

No. The Packer’s management didn’t want Favre back anymore because when he finally decided that he eanted to play, the team had been working with Aaron Rodgers for a month. What kind of meessage would that send to the team if they suddenly backed out on Aaron and set the team’s preparation back just so they could accomodate one player. A football team is not made by one player and Ted acted with the team’s future in mind, not it’s present. In a few years, Brett will be retired and Aaron Rodgers will only have improved. Who do you think will be at the top of the NFC North then?

PACKERS said in November 1st, 2009 at 8:25 am

The message would have been that the team “wanted to win”….not be mediocre.

In a few years, Brett Favre will be retired, and Ted Thompson will be out of football…

The sooner the better..!

Pack66 said in November 1st, 2009 at 2:51 pm

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