Comments on: How Do Call Records Prove Anything?

By: No Phone Records | Cheesehead TV

No Phone Records | Cheesehead TV — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:35:24 +0000

[...] I suspected the Packers had to have something more than phone records. As it turns out, they don’t have phone records AT ALL, according to two separate sources. Not [...]

By: PackerBelle

PackerBelle — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:42:43 +0000

Call records can prove something. For one thing if there is any call from Brad Childress to Favre or a call from Favre to Childress that would prove something was going on. Favre had no prior relationship with Childress and there would really be no innocent reason why they would be talking other than tampering.

Secondly, if the conversations with Bevell increased in frequency around the time Favre started saying he wanted his release that would also provide evidence that there was tampering. For example, if they were talking once a month every month until May of this year and then they are talking a couple times a week along with a phone call the day before Favre asked for his release that would definitely be evidence supporting the tampering charge.

We also don’t know what Favre might have let slip to Campen in a conversation. If he overheard anything, that combined with the phone records would be compelling evidence.

By: PRC

PRC — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:13:32 +0000

Wow…I stand corrected…

By: packeraaron

packeraaron — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:22:45 +0000

According to Peter King at the time:

This is the first time in 13 years that a commissioner has found an NFL team guilty of tampering with another team’s employee. That is remarkable. Think about all the tampering that is alleged every year — agents and teams speaking about prospective players prior to the free-agency period, most notably — and for this to be the first tampering case to be adjudicated against a team in 13 years is amazing.

So I take back that this was the first time ever – simply the first time in 13 years – but I don’t doubt it happens every year and that the NFL is involved with a few cases every off season. Obviously the Packers leaked this one so as to help their PR cause…

By: PRC

PRC — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:59:21 +0000

9ers are the first team to be publicly nailed. This article on JSO would lead one to think that there have been other times teams have been punished, but probably just fined or something that may not have become public.

QUOTE:
“We’re not commenting on that report,” Aiello said. “Tampering issues are considered internal matters unless we’re announcing discipline against a club. In some cases, it doesn’t become public. A team files a tampering charge to determine there was no tampering or insufficient evidence to prove it and nothing is ever said and nothing needs to be said.”

Aiello said tampering charges happen “from time to time. It’s not every week but there’s usually a handful, more or less, a year.”

By: packeraaron

packeraaron — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:36:08 +0000

That’s what makes me think they either have emails or a mole-type inside the Vikings. Remember, the 49ers were the first team in NFL history to actually be punished under the tampering rules – it was the emails that did it.

By: PRC

PRC — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:21:56 +0000

Well the speculation I have heard is that they have phone records. How would they have those unless they own the phone. If thats the case they also would have text message history.

Also if Favre call Childress or vise versa and the call lasted for any significant length of time then IMO there is no question that constitutes tampering. Farve and Childress have NO history. What reason would they have to be talking?

In everything TT has done I have never seen him go off half cocked. Just based on his history alone I am thinking the Packers have some pretty good grounds for filing this.