im sorry (and sort of drunk) but this offensive line play is going to lead to 9 - 7 and McCarthy fired.

Going to be hard to get to sleep tonight - what with the crappy call on the Woodson PI when he picked the ball off and the Lee drop in the endzone - that's a 14 point swing that will be hard to swallow.

Favre played extremely well but it's week 4 so take it with a grain of salt. Watching him stand in the pocket without any pressure - what happened to all those crazy ass blitzes we've seen in the pre-season but nothing when the bullets are live?

You are dead on about Wynn - the guy's a stiff - seriously, I'm more elusive than that guy.

I like Rogers more and more - the guy has a ton of moxie and kept pushing when I would have crawled into a hole after all those sacks.

Clay Mathews should start - no more Popinga - please another stiff.

Sort of drunk like Andrew, but I have the following thoughts:

* McCarthy and Thompson should be fired. Both of them. Together. Now. (that won't happen but it should)

* I am really, truly, and forever angry with Brent. What an ass. This is a business. I know that. But we are the people that paid you and you don't give a shit, given that grin. Not fun or fair. You're not just getting even with Thompson, you ass.

* The officiating sucked.

* Aaron Rodgers, you have my ultimate respect. Bless you.

* I don't care, Double D, you shouldn't have hugged Judas on national television. Just sayin'.

On the play Lee dropped the ball.... which you could point at that one for us losing the game.. I am not sure which reciever it was on the far right side, but he slipped. Aaron wanted to go to him but he had to scramble a little. Still, Lee needs to catch that ball.

everyone forgets that we were also offsides on the woodson pick. No matter what, the INT would not have counted.

I was astonished how well we moved the ball in this game.

Drops and penalties. standard.

Rodgers is a gamer.

Favre is the best to have ever played. I'm pretty sure he had to come back because their are still ignorant morons who actually have the nerve to argue otherwise. Fuck all of the INTs, that arm is pure gold.

Someone please tell me who the head referee was for this game? How could he get so wrapped up in the home field? The game was decided by the horrible call in the endzone on the INT by Woodson.

Drunk.

*We can't rush the passer
*The O-line is not good.
*Rodgers has to get rid of the ball faster, but he has guts.
*Finley is the real deal.
*Thompson still did the right thing.

Thanks for letting me vent. Being in Chicago it's hard to vent sometimes.

Packer fans hang in there. It's always darkest Before The Dawn.

Dennis - the man came back to play because he has an ego the size of Lake Michigan. Period.

I'd be more mad, but he and the 'Queens will become epic failures by the end of the year.

If we don't get the O line fixed, and NOW, we will not make the playoffs.

I'm in pain right now - I don't think I"ll be able to sleep. Hopefully we're healthy and the outcome is different on 11/5.

Our O-line is an emergency situation, I predict they'll keep us out of the playoffs.

We NEED to put pressure on the QB, a high caliber one will pick us a team apart no matter how good a secondary is.

What was so different about our week 1 pressure to this week??

OLine is officially a pandemic. Call the National Guard.
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Can't get mad at the D when you keep AP below 100 yards but all I have to say about the rest of their performance is... 7.34 seconds.
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Not to play the IF game, but if Bert was on our teame facing that amount of pressure with that OLine he would've thrown 4 picks. Aaron Rodgers is a stud...plain and simple. But I don't know how much more abuse he can take. If McCarthy and Co are serious about this season they need to do something drastic about the O Line now. 20 sacks in 4 games? Embarassing. Campen needs to find his own way home tonight because he shouldnt have a job anymore.
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Still have faith in McCarthy and Thompson, unless the Oline becomes the punting issue of last year. If you don't have a meaningful change after we come back from the bye then you clearly deserve to lose your job at the end of the season.

The o-line needs some work as those fumbles and interception were embarasing. Maybe once they look at the rape and realize Favre made a fool out of them that they will step up their game. Otherwise it's gonna be a long season.

we need some new players aaron rodgers needs help TT and MM are going to half to fix this team NOW 7 SACKS IN ONE GAME
SHAME ON THEM

1. The O line is still struggling- but where were the screens that were so effective the first drive? They seem to have been shelved until the fourth quarter.

2. Waiting for apologies from all those who said what a great back Wynn was, and how important it was to keep him. He's a waste of good oxygen.

3. Wasn't the transition to the 3-4 supposed to create some pressure on the quarterback?

4. Aaron Kampman, your bus back to Cedar Rapids is waiting.

5. Unlike some, I don't mind the line plunge on second and two. I think it would be prudent to do the same from second and a yard. I REALLY mind going empty backfield on 4th and a yard. Don't we want to create even some doubt about what we're going to run there?

6. A sad day when any coach is outcoached by Chilly. Hope McCarthy does not sleep tonight thinking about that.

7. Favre is still in the backfield looking for a receiver- is there a reason we're rushing 3 guys on this play?

"The Vikings didn’t have a penalty until the second half. Hmmmm"

Wow. A lot of sketchy calls. I'm sure refs are biased against us because of our penalty stats though. Really though, that's efing rediculous that it was that one sided for a half.

So not blitzing Favre didn't work, yet we didn't adjust (again) and start throwing the kitchen sink at him, I mean what's the worse that could have happened.

Rodgers still holds the ball too long. Our best drives were when we strung together 3-4 short passes in a row and got the Vikings on their heels.

But man #12 has got some guts, won over some fans tonight I think.

Hat tip to the screen game which has been non existent for the last 5 years.

Clay Matthews is a gamer as is Woodson.

The refs missed at least 3 holding calls on Vikings running plays, but what do we expect in the Dome.

Lick our wounds, get healthy and come back in week 6 primed and ready.

PS. Its sad that i'm the optimistic one, usually its the other way around.

Fire James Campen. START with him.

TJ Lang wasn't bad, and any guy that takes swing at Jared Allen is a winner in my book

I was at the game tonight, and although obviously the loss is disappointing, I am prouder than ever to be a Green Bay Packers fan and grateful for the miracle of Lambeau Field. People, the Metrodome is a world-class DUMP--I have always heard this, but until you actually see the place you can not fully understand just how bad it is. Dark, depressing, with one narrow concourse jammed with 60,000+ drunk, surly fans trying to move in different directions. Lousy concessions, inadequate bathrooms, two relatively dinky digital scoreboards, a crappy sound system . . . The list goes on and on.

The noise was deafening, as advertised, but it was a kind of amped-up white noise where nothing intelligible could be heard ever. Even at halftime, when a former Viking star (McDaniels?) gave a speech when the crowd was relatively quiet. During the game, there were times I felt as though I was attending a Hitler youth rally in the 1930s instead of an NFL football game. Really, really creepy vibe.

On the video screens they kept showing Favre's last-second touchdown pass vs. San Francisco last week, along with the worst Packers plays of the game tonight--it was really off-putting, very disrespectful of the Packers and their fans. It was as though they were trying to stick our noses in a heap of our own dung and rub it around. I've always known the Vikings organization is famous for being classless and dirty, but man, now I really understand how bad they are. It made me sick.

Brett Favre DESERVES this shithole of a stadium and this crappy Vikings organization. He may have won the battle tonight, but he is gonna lose the war.

Oh, yeah, and they didn't even show a replay of that amazing Packers defensive touchdown (by Matthews?) NOT ONCE. A lady next to us--a Vikings fan--said they probably didn't want fans to see it again because it was "embarrassing" for the Vikings. Motherfuckers.

I don't remember. Has there ever been a year under Thompson where the o-line hasn't been an issue?

1: They ran some interesting screens and stuff the first drive, but then got away from that for the rest of the game. Why? That stuff was working, for the most part.
2: Finley finally had a breakout game.
3: Trade Kampman (and Barnett?) for a left tackle. Or a right tackle. Anyone who can play tackle. Two years ago, TT found Ryan Grant. Why can't he find a tackle somewhere? Anywhere?
4: This is no joke: If we could give Rodgers 3 seconds, our offense would be better than the greatest show on turf of the Rams heyday. We could be EXPLOSIVE.
5: Yeah, we didn't get pressure on Favre. I think this was because they were focusing on Peterson. Frankly, I just wanted them to go after Favre.
6: The Packers had THREE drives on which they didn't score. One was a fumble, one was an INT and one was the fourth down on the one yard line. We lost by SEVEN points. We can beat the Vikings at Lambeau. There is no reason we cannot.
7: "Smaller, quicker" offensive linemen SUCK SUCK SUCK. That said, they have been starting to play halfway decently towards the end of the season the past few years. Maybe they'll start gelling.
8: Yeah, Colledge sucked. Why not give Lang a start there? Move the guys back to their normal positions and let Lang start. See what happens.
8: Clay Mathews is gonna be a star.
9: Is Jennings in a slump? I'm worried about his wrist injury.

Aaron in St. Louis, I put the Oline situation on MM not TT. TT's getting the type of guys MM wants for the zBS. "Smaller, quicker."
I'm really really really against that philosophy, btw.

I am really starting to question Thompson's judge of talent for the first time. We have no good running backs. We have a terrible offensive line. We have one good safety, who gets hurt pouring a bowl of cereal. We have no pass rushers. And depth? Gimme a break, if any one of our marginal starters goes down, we're absolutely screwed. Can you imagine what is going to happen when (not if) Rodgers gets hurt? Ugly, ugly, ugly.

Okung, Williams, Capers, Brown, Black, Young, Callaway, Ulatoski, welcome to our O-line one or several of you. Looking for O-line first round, larger RB to replace Wynn second round.

I still like Wynn. But I like him as a fullback, not as a halfback. How good would he look on those quick goal line handoffs? Better than Kuhn, that's for sure. He just can't catch.
Dude is a fullback.
Here's another issue. The Packers have been coming back in the last minute in every game this year so far. Interesting. They never give up, and I think they've looked good in the "come from behind" department.
The offensive line is killing this team, though. That's the bottom line.

I should add that overall, the pack played great; proud of the team in a tough atmosphere and situation. Let's hope Martin and Harris work things out.

Dan said, "I should add that overall, the pack played great"

Hilarious.

I think thay Aaron Rodgers played beyond great! He's a legend in the making.

I think that he deserves to play... He deserves his chance he's a legend in the making. My god he threw 385 yds!

Kudos to Jermichael Finley and Grant. Barnett great as well.

However- we need to protect our QB. That is our problem. 911.

- let it be said, that if rodgers had as much time as favre did tonight, the Pack would have won this game. the vikings pass rush was the difference period. (and the lack of the effective Packers o-line).
- even grant looked decent tonight - he had a few decent runs that were more than his usual first down 2 yard run-into-a-pile-and-fall-down.
- was jennings double teamed all night?
- i think the only time favre threw in woodson's direction was on that goal-line down (interception) that was brought back due to that penalty - otherwise he pretty much threw at harris all night long. i don't get why people think he is one of the best corners in the league.
- barnett, hawk, kampman, poppinga are not playing good enough. something has to change.
- can we get rid of DeShawn Wynn and get that Tyrell Sutton back? where is he now?
- mason crosby scores a few points with me for the on-side kicks tonight, too bad we didn't really send anyone in who tried to catch them.

A lot of you have touched on the O-line, which was embarrassing, and I could go on forever about that. However I'm surprised no one has called out McCarthy for not running the ball more. Ryan Grant had only 11 touches, and was averaging 4.6 yards a carry. When you are rushing for an average of 4.6 yards, you keep rushing the ball to open up the vertical game. Driver and Jennings will be useless this season until we show teams that we are willing to run the ball on any given down. Especially the 4th and goal with an empty backfield. That was a joke! We act so concerned about getting the ball down the field with big plays all the time. After the first drive I was expecting more of that type of play. Boy was I wrong. Also, we have a horrible pass rush. Kampman looked really weird out there tonight. Brett should have just come out there tonight with his wranglers, hat, and no pads and would have been fine. With all of the blunders that occurred tonight, and only losing by 7 in the dome, I wouldn't be happy if I were a Viking fan. Their fans act like they won the super bowl tonight. They have a long road ahead of them, but I guess they are giddy when they finally have a QB to throw the ball. In closing I will say that Rodgers is a stud. TT better start thinking of plan B with the O line because his franchise QB is gonna go down injured getting sacked that many times. Can you imagine if he had time to throw the ball? Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, and Finley would all put on a receiving clinic.

I was impressed with the Defense's ability to completely shut down Adrian Peterson. That's no easy task. But I was also completely dismayed at their inability to stop Minnesota's passing game at all.

Also, that offensive line is going to get Rodgers killed. What I wouldn't give to have the days of Mike Whale and Marco Rivera back.

1) Tons of respect for a team that fought until the very end. With 8 sacks and Favre playing out of his head, we never went away, never gave up, and had an on-sides kick at the end to potentially change the outcome.

2) As a Mets fan that Clay Matthews play was a lot like the Endy Chavez catch in the NLCS. A phenomenal defensive play that would have been way more memorable had it been attached to a "W"

3) Just over 3 minutes to go, Vikings up two TDs, third down, and Favre throws it long to Berrian?? Childress looked pissed on the sideline, so I'm going to guess that this was Brett changing the play in the huddle. This was Brett, up two TDs saying, 'I'm going to stick it to Ted Thompson' This was some classic me-first Brett Favre shit, putting his own selfishness over the best interests of the team. Any Packer fan who didn't hate Brett Favre before that play, should surely hate him now. Seriously. What an asshole.

4) Bad as we all feel this morning, we have Nov. 1 to look forward to (and more than a few important games in between). Offensive line issues aside, we still have a very good football team. Go Pack.

With the bye week coming up, wouldn’t NOW be the perfect time to bring in an OL or two that can actually play? Two weeks to learn the offense…

Once again, McCarthy abandons the run as soon as he falls behind.

Is everyone happy now that we kept Deshawn Wynn? Come on, let me hear it from all you idiots who argued with me why he was a better choice than Lumpkin or Sutton. What? I can't hear you...

Why didn't the Packers see last night's Brett Favre more when he was a Packer? And by the way, his attempted 3rd down bomb at the end of game (just before the Packers drove for the field goal) was galling. Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.

The O-Line stinks and will continue stink all season. They were sort of okay when Jeff Jagodzinski was here. Still, the success of the 2007 season was more luck than skill. Since Jagodzinski left, it's clear that there's no one to coach this zone blocking approach. If it gets better, we need a change of coaching staff or BIGGER LINEMEN and a more traditional approach.
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McCarthy seems to be a good QB coach. He seems to have been promoted beyond his greatest competence. Under his leadership, we will continue to be a mediocre football team.
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I don't want to talk about Brent anymore.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...

WahWahWahWahWahWahWahWah...

What a bunch of whining *******!

Ohhh..the refs were against us! Ohh, if Brett were on the team he would have thrown 4 picks...oooooh we almost won.

Brett Favre pulled your collective pants down and SPANKED you on National TV...I would be EMBARRASSED to be a Packer fan right now. Big deal...Aaron Rodgers picked up some points IN GARBAGE TIME when the Vikings were playing prevent and went soft. Favre could have scored more, but he had class and took pity on your pathetic franchise.

You people are totally DELUSIONAL about your team. Favre is the better QB because he is a WINNER. Aaron Rodgers is a NUMBERS HANGER, like Tony Romo and Jeff George. But stats don't get you wins, and that's all you guys have to hang onto...Hope that's enuff for all those cold and lonely nights in Wis.

Oh, and don't forget, Ted Thompson SUCKS the big wad...

Can't build an O-Line in 5 years...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Genius, right?
HAHA

You made the WRONG CHOICE, Teddy Boy!

PS...Favre had to work with a POS offensive line in 2007 and only went 14-3...

Alot of the problem was AROD hanging on to the ball and not getting rid of it. Favre knew how to read the defense and get rid of the ball quickly, AROD does not.

That's the difference.

Favre is STILL the better QB, and he proved it last night in front of AMERICA.

Is it time to FIRE Ted Thompson yet, Packer fans..

"The quickness of his decisions trumped the strength of his arm. That's what Vikings fans have been missing in big games for years -- a quarterback who can read a defense like it was a fast-food menu, and deliver quicker than a pizza guy with a new Camaro and heavy debt."

That's the diff between FAVRE and AROD...Favre can and AROD can't.

"THE DIFFERENCE IS:
Aaron Rodgers is an ok quarterback but the problem with the Packers is that they DON"T have a leader. Brett Favre is also a gifted quarterback (despite turning 40 on Saturday) but the difference between the two QB's is ....Brett Favre is a LEADER ! If you don't believe that....just ask his teammates, past and present! They believe in him...they did in Green Bay as they do now in Minnesota!

posted by marcom on Oct. 6, 09 at 5:41 AM |
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Maybe premature to say this, but last nights performance makes me wonder what might have happened if Favre were on a "good team" for most of his previous 16 years?

posted by Moderate on Oct. 6, 09 at 6:22 AM |
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Rodgers
Good QB. Great Stats. 8-12 record as a starter. He is the new Packer version of Lynn Dickey.

"The quickness of his decisions trumped the strength of his arm. That's what Vikings fans have been missing in big games for years -- a quarterback who can read a defense like it was a fast-food menu, and deliver quicker than a pizza guy with a new Camaro and heavy debt."

That's the diff between FAVRE and AROD...Favre can and AROD can't.

"THE DIFFERENCE IS:
Aaron Rodgers is an ok quarterback but the problem with the Packers is that they DON"T have a leader. Brett Favre is also a gifted quarterback (despite turning 40 on Saturday) but the difference between the two QB's is ....Brett Favre is a LEADER ! If you don't believe that....just ask his teammates, past and present! They believe in him...they did in Green Bay as they do now in Minnesota!

posted by marcom on Oct. 6, 09 at 5:41 AM |
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Maybe premature to say this, but last nights performance makes me wonder what might have happened if Favre were on a "good team" for most of his previous 16 years?

posted by Moderate on Oct. 6, 09 at 6:22 AM |
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Rodgers
Good QB. Great Stats. 8-12 record as a starter. He is the new Packer version of Lynn Dickey.

Hello all -

I knew it before they played one round of golf - oh wait, this is football.....

The only way we would have won last nite's contest was if Woodson, Collins & Harris could have pulled down a few INT's from the one QB in the NFL who has thrown the ball to the opponent more often than any other. Yet, this did not happen. In fact, Harris was playing his man soft all game. I have no idea why.

Where was the penetration for the D-Line, Trgovac? It looked like the whole coaching staff had Schottenheimer's disease - PREVENT FOOTBALL

That includes our head coach, Mike McCarthy. You simply do not RUN the ball when you are on the 2 yard line at your own End Zone - YOU THROW THE BALL, MAC .... get it ???

If anyone needs to be fired on this Team, and right now --- it's James Campen and the Offensive Coordinator. I highly doubt they could find each other sitting in the same 8x10 room. Campen has no idea how to line up the Clydesdales for anything other than a picnic while fishing.... if that.

As far as game-planning is concerned - MAC Needs to learn that with this Team, he needs to use the PASS to support the RUN, not the other way around. He should have been passing when he was trying to run it. It caused more three and outs than anything. Also, he hasn't changed his game book much since Favre left... you tell ...it was THAT obivous.

Last nite - everyone got to see the Daryn Colledge I've been railing against for three years now.... it was as transparent as it gets. I don't ever want hear anyone make excuses for the guy. He's got time for his weekly video nonsense with the other players... but he doesn't have time to watch film and get better at his job ? You do the math. He's hosed Rodgers and before that, Favre, as well... since the day he arrived. Campen couldn't judge DEAD horse flesh.

As far as the Pack having a Leader - they do. It's Aaron Rodgers. Mark Tauscher said so, prior to the beginning of the 2008 regular season. It darn sure ain't Nick Barnett. Half the battle is how young the overall team is. That youth is a detriment on how the players respond to leadership and unity overall. 65% of em are still measuring who's got the longest you-know-what. It's time to allow them to age.

We will bounce back - it will happen. If you don't think Capers will learn anything here, you're nutz! It's MAC and his Prevent Football Mentality that I have an issue with. People need to write letters to 1265 and tell him directly. I know this - these players are reading what is said about them - and that's a large part of the problem right now. NO ONE ever throws their whole game plan in the mix during Pre-season... and they all bought into the hype by the four-letter when we played the Cardinals.

One of our Members said it well - it doesn't mean a hill o' beans if the Vikings beat us both game this season if we make the Playoffs and Minnesota doesn't. Period.

Right now - we just need to FIX the Offensive Line and I mean right now --- Fire Campen and bring back Beightol... that's the first right step MAC can make -- this buddy buddy stuff ala Bart Starr of the 1980's ain't gonna get anything done.

Message for CUPHOUND --

1st question -
The Packers have been to and won how many CHAMPIONSHIPS - and yes, prior to actually calling it the SuperBowl counts, too. You got an answer for us?

2nd question -
The Vikings have been to how many SuperBowls in their so-called illustrious career?

And, how many of those have THEY won?

Yea - that's what I thought.....
Coming out of the woodwork, like termites over one game don't make you TOP DOG for the Season. The rest of the NFL knows what you guys do when it comes to crunch time... and they all also know why it's called the Humpty Dump Stadium.

How about you demand they take the roof on that trailer park and start playing real football.

One game don't make a season and right now all you got is sneering... I'm sure your Mommy is real proud!

I agree with the previous poster, MM did abandon the run.
I disagree with the troll. The Packers made the right decision to go with Rodgers.
A "leader" doesn't think he can dictate to the GM.

Guys - I know I barely visit, and that's a testiment to just how busy I am these days, job, Club & all.

But, I would temper my recommendation that Campen and Philbin are not the right Offensive Coaching Staff, with the viewpoint that Larry Beightol wasn't just lucky in the personnel he had. Beightol was a great TEACHER of the game, which is playing on the Offensive Line. If you (and I) remember correctly.... when Mike Wahle first came to Green Bay, he had the intention to play TACKLE and not Guard. In fact, he got quite pi$$ed at the suggestion by Beightol that he was much better suited to play that position.

To Wahle defense - of course, an O-Line guy wants to play TACKLE - IT PAYS MORE.

Still, much to Beightol's knowledge base and knowing how to judge horse-flesh, he eventually talked Mike Wahle into playing Left Guard and the rest, as they say, is history. Beightol knew exactly where to place his Clydesdales much like Heston in BEN-HUR... he knew how to tell if one Player was actually fighting against the one on either side of him. And, he made the adjustments, during the preseason and further adjustments (if even slightly) all thru the seasons - including when one might go down to injury - he had a credible replacement in the wings.

Campen, I believe, has spent no time whatsoever reviewing any of the O-Line film from that Era. Therefore, he will never catch onto how it gets done.

If you watched closely, last nite, you could see the marked difference in O-Line play between our guys and the Vikings.

The Vikings would shuffle a defender over to the guy on either side - it was a rhythmn where no one Offensive position had to deal with any single defender for very long, AT ALL. In the end, the Trgovac front three consistently became frustrated, backed off to retry a different strategy and their O-Line was always re-braced for the next attack.

Certainly, Capers will make adjustments ... question becomes: Will Trgovac be able to TEACH what needs to be done? I believe him to be of a better caliber assistant coach than those on our O-Line, so yes, I would think there is hope - it is, after all, only our first year back at the 3-4 since the Majik Man days.

But, the focus of how an OLC approaches his responsibilities and his small group of personnel was quite transparent in these last three games. Cincinnati provided loads of film for the Vikings. And, the RAMS should have never been able to stop us as much as they got away with while we were trying to score - yet, they did.

As I said - going in, I knew our O-Line would be the game-killer if they didn't solidify their stance and come together as a unit.... with Campen in charge of it.... I highly doubt it ever will.

Spitz should have played Center, not wells
Wells could have probably played better at Guard, but we will never know
Lang was better than Colledge - almost everyone else is on that score - Colledge's indecisiveness is becoming legendary and he certainly cannot move his feet fast enough to keep from falling down with barely a shove from a DE, if that. Oh, Colledge did do okay on several plays, but he was beaten more often than Barbre was, last nite. That's shameful, from him AND Campen. It's been going on for three years now - I'm done with the Ross Verba 2 experiment.

Bottom line: Vikings/Favre won. Packs lost. We are 4-0. You are 2-2. It all comes down to that and you know it. Was he ever great Monday!!!

"Campen has no idea how to line up the Clydesdales for anything other than a picnic while fishing…. if that."

LOL.

Please, can you get rid of the troll (Pack6/Pack66)?????