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I really love Donald Driver. Woodson, too, especially after he donated 2 million dollars to a children’s hospital than he goes out and plays like that. It’s great to have such classy players and not a bunch of thugs.

jeff said in November 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

Bush made a great play, but the defender knocked the ball loose. He played solid today.
We got 10 days to get Cliffy and Wells right. Wells couldnt even get in a stance two days ago, because of his knee.
I agree, Jenkins was getting held all day.
NFL refs have an agenda generally: keep the games interesting. This means at times helping the poorer team. Gotta keep it close, especially in nationally televised games, to maintain the audience.
GOTTA get the red zone thing fixed. That’s what we need to work on to succeed in the playoffs.

nerdmann said in November 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

what the SI article doesn’t say is that we have some of the best players in the leauge, who seem to embrace the culture. You can thank Ted Thompson if you want to, or not. Offensive line has gotten better for what it’s worth.

Packs R Us said in November 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

enjoy the win yo!! worries will come…but now we feast on this great day, shit i had to watch the game late on tivo since i had my turkey bowl with my boys all planned out this morning…the game played here in cali @ 930 am…neways, i agree…charles woody is a the motherfucking mad man~!!

alfredomartinez said in November 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

* Charles Woodson: Defensive Player of the Year:
-> Absolutely. Nobody comes even close. Polamalu could, but is too hurt.

* Great job by the offensive line, even after Clifton went out:
-> What happened to him? Is he okay? And does Barbre off/Tauscher on makes that much of a difference?

* The red zone stuff is frustrating, but it’s a product of both how McCarthy calls plays and how Rodgers plays.:
-> We definitely could’ve run the ball more, specially on first down.

* Cullen Jenkins was getting held on almost every play.:
-> And yet he was all over.

* Rodgers was getting hit late again and again but nothing ever got called. Matthews grazes Stafford’s helmet…15 yard penalty. Whatever.:
-> Yeah, WTF??????? Last week was the same BS…

* Jarrett Bush allowed some stuff but wasn’t terrible. Even made a play. But how does he not come down with that INT?:
-> Wasn’t terrible, but was still the worst player on our team.

* Two words for the secondary, courtesy of Matt Bowen: Ball. Hawks.:
-> I’m guessing Tramon Williams will be on the good?

* 7-4 feels pretty good, but there are plenty of things for Packer fans to worry about. ;) :
-> Right now, it’s only about the win. We’re done projecting/worrying. It’s only about the W.

* Happy Thanksgiving everyone.:

PackersRS said in November 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

This is one of those games that just makes you feel great. Just a few problems…

The defense just can’t play four quarters of football. They gave the the Forty-Niners a chance at a comeback, and they did it for the Lions again today. They’ve got to learn that anythig can happen in football and they cannot give up near the end.

To all of the people who said that the Pack needed to use the run game mre, they did today, and you saw the result. I lost count of the time Jackson was dropped behind the line. The run game is just no good. The Pack has got to be a passing team if they want a shot at the wildcard.

CHARLES! That guys continues to surprise me every game. I thought his career was winding down, and it’s better than it’s ever been. Keep it up, and don’t let losing the Gobbler to Driver keep you down. By the way, well deserved award for Double D. (gobble, gobble!) ;)

PACKERS said in November 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

Nick Collins: Pay the man!
Last year it seemed teams were rallying on us late in games, and there was talk that someone was sending them copies of our playbook. Just a conspiracy theory, but it sure seems to happen regularly.
Crosby missed yet ANOTHER one. Is his inconsistency due to holders? Seems to have started when we got rid of Jon Ryan.
Go Raiders! (Beat Dallas!)

nerdmann said in November 26th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

PACKERS are you serious? The run game was very good and grant is playing like a man on a mission

NickGBP said in November 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

and btw, just as a positive note…we got a better record now than a year ago…so…enjoy it baby. GOPACK!!

alfredomartinez said in November 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

I agree Nick. Grant looks like he’s got that burst back. He’s running hard. Didn’t get alot of rushing yards today, but he def was running downhill.

nerdmann said in November 26th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

My one worry: can I get out of this chair after the debilitating combo of wine and turkey.

Franklin Hillside said in November 26th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

I’m sure we all came away thinking the same thing…Chuck Woodson is the FITZCORE1252 of the NFL “:^)

GBP 4 LIFE

FITZCORE1252 said in November 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

There were a couple late hits last week too– one was absolutely terrible. Rodgers just doesn’t get as much publicity. Fans can do their part BY VOTING RODGERS INTO THE PRO BOWL. Get at least 10 in a day. I’m also voting for Cullen Jenkins and Charles Woodson and if I have time, Driver, Barnett and Matthews.

Asshalo said in November 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

I agree, but they hve it to Brandon Jackson way to much. If thy were going to use the run game that much, they should have given the majority of carries to Ryan Grant because he was playig well, but they left him out late for some reason. However, the passing game is much errrr than the running game right now, and the Pack have got to exploit that, and not run the ball on second or third and long as Mike McCarthy so loves to do.

PACKERS said in November 26th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

I’m sorry for all those typos. I’m on my iPod right now. Basically, what I said was that the problem was using Jackson more than Grant, and calling a run on second or third and long situations.

PACKERS said in November 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

Every time MM calls for the quick pass to the flat, I call it a wasted down. There’s always at least one backer covering it and a second nearby. Very seldom does the first one miss. I tend to think most DCs pretty much know what MM will call down there.

retiredgrampa said in November 26th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

Plenty of things for Packers fans to worry about? Man, I don’t know about that. It seems that this team is finally finding a way to win IN SPITE OF their warts. That’s a big difference from last year’s crew. Yes, I know it was just the Lions. But still, good teams don’t let their weaknesses kill them, and it looks like the Packers might finally be learning that. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

Ruppert said in November 26th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

Aaron,
As far as the ‘how doesn’t bush get that INT” train of thought:
I implore you to go back and watch the telecast replays. You will see that it’s not a case of Jarret Bush just dropping the easy pick, but rather that the intended receiver makes a GREAT play to prevent it. He realizes Bush has position, reaches around Bush’s left side, and hooks Bush’s left hand, tying it up… Making it virtually impossible for him to make the pick. Try Catching a pass moving from your right shoulder to your left without the use of your left hand.

Oppy said in November 26th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

PACKERS, I think we need to use the running game as a way to keep the offense balanced and a way to close games. It’s working that way. MM could even run a little more near the goal line, it would help our RZ issues.
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As for Grant comming out, the game was almost won then, no use in tiring Grant. Also, BJack is earning some carries, he’s been a pleasant surprise since caming back.
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BTW, I think I’ve said it in here before, but Grant just gets better late in the season. I think he just starts slowly. 2007, he only played late. 2008, he was injuried. But this time there was nothing, and now he’s starting to show those quick cuts and bursts. Did you see that move he made between two Lions players? He just couldn’t do it early in the season. I don’t know why, but Grant’s a slow starter, and a strong finisher…

PackersRS said in November 26th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

I agree completely with you in the fact that Grant is playing well, and deserves more carries. He played great today. All I’m saying is that I’m still not feeling it for Jackson. He only had a couple of runs that made it across the line. Grant definitely has a chance to be one of the best RBs in the league. He should get more carries to help out Rodgers, but Jackson should not.

PACKERS said in November 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

It’s frustrating that McNugget won’t call a balanced game regularly on offense. At one point it was like 10 passes in a row. The drive predictably ended in a short field goal. The run game was great last week, and the Lions aren’t as stout up the middle as the 9ers. Why go away from it?

Bearmeat said in November 26th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

Oppy – No need to implore. Saw the same replay you did when they showed it live. That’s kind of the point. Watch Woodson – he attacks the ball. Collins does now too. Remember when he used to drop everything? As a DB ESP, you’ve got to attack the ball. Andvwhen something is thrown right to you, even moreso. He has to make that play, get his hands out and attack the damn ball. Then nothing the guy behind him does matters.

Aaron Nagler said in November 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

Aaron Nagler sez: “Charles Woodson: Defensive Player of the Year”
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Meh. Charles Woodson: League MVP.
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Happy Thanksgiving, all!

Jim in DC said in November 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

How bout CM3’s motor on that sack at the end of the half. 3 man rush and the guy ran through two blocks and chased Stafford down from behind?
How great was it seeing that line protect, sure its the Lions but damn that was nice.

Woodson is the man.

Had to laugh at Driver’s post game quote after being presented with the turkey trophy “Oh shoot! Gobble gobble!”

Ryeguy812 said in November 26th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

Short fields courtesy of the ST’s are a problem that must be resolved. Crosby needs to get a boot in the Ass. And they continue to leave too many points on the field.
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A nice long break to recover and get ST’s fixed! I wish!

Ron LC said in November 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

I was still frustrated with play calling.
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Jarrett bush was AWFUL. The big gain to Northcutt was just hideous. I was watching with my Dad and on every big play by the Lions, we were getting a kick out of watching Bush look abysmal. It was nervous laughter though, because a real NFL team and a veteran QB will exploit him like crazy. No homo, but his hips just don’t swivel.
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All that said, this team has officially improved from last season and is in a GREAT position to make the playoffs and an even better position with a win next Monday. All they have to do now is go 3-2 and they’re golden. That’s attainable, especially since the O-line seems to be regressing to the mean in terms of stability.
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Happy Thanksgiving!

packsmack said in November 26th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

” Watch Woodson – he attacks the ball. Collins does now too. ”

Both Woody & Collins are Pro-Bowlers for good reason……….. They’re more athletic, smarter & more responsive to coaching……. Not all the players on the field can obtain these levels….
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I’m beginning to think that ‘Bush-Bashing’ is just a psycological release used by Packer Fans for their own self-preservation ………. Fans love to point out the scapegoats….. even in a lopsided victory……… Meditation or yoga (by some) might be more effective than the relentless bitching……

WoodyG said in November 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

Packsmack is correct. Bush does not deserve any kudos. Only the ineptitude of the the Lions prevented his getting exposed. All you have to see is one play. If you have the game saved, go back and watch the replay of the Tramon Williams interception. Not the original shot, but the replay from a different angle. Watch Jarret Bush and I defy you not to laugh.

JerseyAl said in November 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

Charles Woodson League MVP? Meh. How about United States Man of the Year? He just donated 2 million to the U of M Children’s Hospital for research.

Jennings deserves a little credit. He’s not putting up the stats he did last year, but he sure is getting a whole lot of attention from opposing defenses. I certainly hope Driver realizes it and thanks Jennings plenty. That gimme td for Driver today was thanks to the CB helping out with Jennings and totally ignoring Driver until it was too late.

Scrumptrulescent said in November 27th, 2009 at 12:30 am

I had to listen to most of this game on the radio (on the road to family dinner) and I so wished I was continuing the blog with you guys – it ended up being so much fun. Tramon Williams – interception? And Charles Woodson is an amazing human being in addition to his gifts as an athlete. I agree we have problems, and as A Nag says, much to worry about. But this was fun.

Get better Aaron. Hope to see you Tuesday night.

foundindaho said in November 27th, 2009 at 12:45 am

Upside – Downside – GUT reactions:
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Playing the Detroit Kittens was good for many things (a few):
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1. Let us practice running the offense w/ a more balanced run and pass

2. Let us experiment and adjust our defense (crazy rookie thought he could pass on Woodson ? stupid!)
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3. Let us feel that “loving (winning) feeling” again and build some morale

4. Let us cheer once again for Driver, Woodson and Rogers, etc.,
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Downside: * Not to be a kill joy, but this was the Detroit Kittens we were playing!!
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1. We fumbled on the fist play that led to 7 points

2. We had 2 turn overs
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3. We granted another safety that could have turned into a touch down

4. We were defending against a 1 armed QB (e.g. who separated his shoulder just last Sunday)
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5. We committed more miserable penalties (7 – for 57 yds.)

6. We allowed almost the worst defense in the league to penetrate and put pressure on the QB to many times
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7. We allowed a 13-7 half-time score even though we had outplayed the Lions 10-1 in the 1st half.

8. Missed FG
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9. We allowed them to drive to the 2 yrd line and almost get back in the game late in the 2nd half (again, remember who we were playing!)
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But enough of that – I will enjoy the win!
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How long before Christmas…? I can’t wait to over indulge again (in food and victory) ;>)
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greenbaypackerbob said in November 27th, 2009 at 1:22 am

**The red zone stuff is frustrating, but it’s a product of both how McCarthy calls plays and how Rodgers plays.**
Thought Rodgers has BEST redzone stats out of anyone?

**Jarrett Bush allowed some stuff but wasn’t terrible. Even made a play. But how does he not come down with that INT?**
Thought he did okay…But it was the LIONS…And yes that non int catch was horrific…

I am still ticked about the lame ass penalties..When will it end?

longtymefan said in November 27th, 2009 at 1:51 am

All in favor of renaming the award “the Goble-Goble” say Aye!
Aye!

PackersRS said in November 27th, 2009 at 8:28 am

longtyme – re: Red Zone. Yes, he has the best ’stats’ – which means he doesn’t throw interceptions, but because of that he doesn’t throw many balls that are 50/50, thereby eliminating touchdown opportunities. FG’s are the result.
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Now, it’s not all Rodgers. When the offense has the ball inside the 10 and McCarthy calls 3 passes in a row NOT inside the endzone, well, the mind boggles.

Aaron Nagler said in November 27th, 2009 at 8:49 am

Aaron, I’m putting the red zone problems on McCarthy moreso than Rodgers. Hasn’t this been a problem since he showed up? I know the ‘06 Pack was nearly last in the league in this category. And God knows the QB wasn’t to blame THEN:) I don’t have time to dig for stats on ‘07 and ‘08, but I thought they weren’t great for those years, either…anybody have those numbers?

Ruppert said in November 27th, 2009 at 9:44 am

Aaron, I have to agree with LT. It’s not that Rodgers has ony stats. He’s the BEST QB in the redzone. I understand what you’re saying, that stats don’t tell everything, but BEST rating do tell a lot.

PackersRS said in November 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am

Ruppert,
It’s actually my recollection that last year the Packers were leading the league in red-zone TD’s. It was nearly automatic they’d get it in the endzone when they got into the redzone. No numbers off hand, but I seem to remember seeing numerous articles on the red zone efficiency under Rodgers last season being off the charts.

Oppy said in November 27th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Ruppert, found some hard numbers for you.
In 2008, Rodgers completed 33 of 55 passing attempts inside the opponents’ 20 yard line (60%)
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19 of those attempts went for touchdowns (better than one in three of his pass attempts inside the 20 was a TD, or you can look at it as 2 of every three completions!).
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His QB rating was highest inside the opponents’ 20 yard line, where he garnered a 106.8 QB rating (his QB rating outside of the opponents’ 20 yard line was 85.7).
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Unfortunately, I don’t have numbers for the ‘entire’ redzone (I think it’s usually considered inside the 25, or am I mistaken?), but this was the best I could do on short notice. :)
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Link for your own perusal (There’s plenty more info to comb over if you so choose) http://www.nfl.com/players/aar.....eason=2008

Oppy said in November 27th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Great Win. Great work CW and DD.
Need the running game for ball control and to work on the D line. Good opportunity to use those FBs.
According to Lombardi on ESPN Radio interview, the Offense will have to step up to help the Defense given the injuries to key players. Ball control might help 4th quarter D softness.
“When the offense has the ball inside the 10 and McCarthy calls 3 passes in a row NOT inside the endzone…”
Is the purpose to utilize an open area and rely on yacs to bring it in, which also would run time off the clock?

Glorious80s said in November 27th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

I thought I heard during the game yesterday Rodgers had 30 tds to int in the red zone?

longtymefan said in November 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

I’m simply talking about the percentage of TDs during red zone trips (inside the 20) as a team. The stat is listed on all the gamebooks on nfl.com or packers.com’s gamedays. And my contention is that McCarthy could do a better job calling plays inside the 20 to get more TDs. Rodgers’ stats are very good in the red zone, both 09 and 08. But, I believe, the TEAM TD percentage is not very good, and hasn’t been that great under McCarthy, even when he had that other QB.
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I found an article on packers.com that said they were 30th in 2006, and another article from bleacherreport that compared 2007 to 2008 through 9 games. Both years were poor. But I don’t have full-year 07 or 08 info. Anyway, that’s why I’m guessing it’s been a problem during the McCarthy area. Here are links to both of those articles.
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http://bleacherreport.com/arti...../show_full
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http://www-00.packers.com/news.....7/03/01/1/

Ruppert said in November 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

Ruppert,
Thanks for the links.
It looks like one piece of (Vital) information I was missing was the number of appearances.
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In reference to the articles you linked to,It would be interesting to see how many times the Titans or Steelers made appearances in the RZ compared to the Packers (the article states they were scoring TD’s between 85-90% of the time they entered the RZ). Perhaps they did not get into the red zone nearly as much as the Packers, which would explain how Rodgers scored so many TD’s from the RZ while being less that 65% comparitively.
More trips, but less efficient.
Thanks for a great example of how not having all the information can paint a murky picture.

Oppy said in November 27th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

Ruppert: I agree with you. McCarthy’s play calling defintely has something to do with it. He constantly pounds the ball up the middle on first or second and goal when the defense is already pushed closer to the line than in a normal situation. We’ve got to have more passing plays in the redzone, particularly in goal situations. Nice links by the way.

PACKERS said in November 27th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

In regards to play calling in the red zone, hopefully, Donald Lee’s TD showed McCarthy a few things on Thursday. Mainly, put the ball into the hands of a playmaker and let them do what they are paid to do. Whether that playmaker is Jennings, Rodgers, Driver, or Finley, just get them the ball. I think Grant can get you a hard yard, or two, or three, but he’s not a dynamic force when he runs up the middle. Get the ball to your stars and let them find the end zone.

PackerMax said in November 28th, 2009 at 11:38 am

Agreed. On the season, Green Bay has 22 passing touchdowns and 9 rushing touchdowns. It’s pretty obvious what’s working here. I wish McCarthy would stop calling running plays in the redzone.

PACKERS said in November 28th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Since everything happens faster in the redzone, maybe there’s still an issue with Rodgers holding onto the ball a little long still. His checkdowns have improved and his quick release has been getting better. His tight coverage throws are improving and I’ve seen more short screen passes. Maybe GB’s aware of the Redzone issues and have been working on finally fixing them. Again, I hope it doesn’t take 8 weeks to accomplish this task.

fish said in November 28th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

PACKERS, those numbers are worthless if they don’t come with the ammount of running plays and passing plays, and also they aren’t reffered to RZ attempts. The Packers are the second most explosive team, so a lot of those TDs came from behind the RZ, while the running TDs all came from inside… I only remember the Packers being stopped in the RZ when running against Minnesota, and I think it was Rodgers trying to sneak. We only have 1 real redzone threat, Finley, who hasn’t actually proven squat. We do, however, have an OL that is better at run blocking than pass protecting, and our RB is supposed to be a power runner… IMHO the best options would be to use screen passes and running plays. But that’s the feeling I get. I don’t have the numbers to make any strong claim…

PackersRS said in November 28th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

I agree with you. Those numbers weren’t great, but they were the best I could find. They should use the screen pass in the redzone, but they could also use the slant routes to Jennings, or for that matter, any receiver. I’m not so sure about the running though. We never seem to get TDs on the ground.

PACKERS said in November 29th, 2009 at 1:00 am

And there are those three FBs if they want more of a power game.

Glorious80s said in November 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

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