Gut Reactions: Week 10 vs Detroit

November 15, 2015 at 06:20 pm

It's like that scene in SpaceJam, where the aliens steal the basketball players' ability to play, and they suddenly became uncoordinated and couldn't figure out what happened.

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Packatron

November 15, 2015 at 07:04 pm

You lost me at "that scene in Spacejam"

November 16, 2015 at 08:13 am

This is basically the best description of the packers game that I've read yet.

vj_ostrowski

November 15, 2015 at 09:58 pm

I agree, strong language and all.

November 16, 2015 at 02:54 am

Go cheer for Lions... Let Packer Nation to themselves... You are to simple and to immature...

Oppy

November 16, 2015 at 06:32 pm

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.#fairweather

November 15, 2015 at 03:51 pm

They gotta get their confidence back... Plain and simple

November 15, 2015 at 04:17 pm

Confidence? How do they get that when the star QB might be the worst player on the field?

November 15, 2015 at 09:11 pm

You're an idiot

November 16, 2015 at 02:57 am

No, he is not an idiot. I do not know what is the problem with Aaron, but he is not playing at the level we are used to see him. I think Packers offense should be better with Scott Tolzien at the moment. To me Aaron looks so uncertain what to do that he misses easy solutions - to remind you on one play he escaped to his left and had 25 - 30 yards of green in front of him, but he did not run, he throw the ball away. It looks records are catching him, he thinks more about stats than about game... But I may be wrong!

November 16, 2015 at 09:31 am

Exactly... he's not playing at the level we are used to see him, not the worst play on the field. That is why I called him an idiot. If you really think Rodgers cares more about his stats than winning you are being ridiculous as well.

Gianich

November 16, 2015 at 10:44 am

HAve you seen the O-line play? Can't open a hole in the run game at all and in crunch time on the most important play of the game, TWO WEEKS IN A ROW, the middle of the line, their "strength" of Sitton, Linsley, and Lang let a free rusher smash Rodgers so he can't step into the throw on the most important throw of the game! It starts up front and the O-line is absolutely terrible!

Oppy

November 16, 2015 at 06:40 pm

Starks has been running the ball respectably all season long, and Lacy started off the season well. The biggest issue with the run game isn't the O line, it's Lacy playing like garbage and our refusal to call more runs when we could, and our inability to call more runs because we're in the hole and don't have to opportunity to do so from a situational standpoint.

I agree Sitton isn't playing up to his standard this season, but even so he's still better than all but 3 or 4 starting LG's in the league. Lang hasn't played that badly. Bakhtiari is a sub par starter, and not a long term solution at LT in my opinion.. Linsley is having a horrible season, far below the standard of play he set for himself as a rookie. I wonder if he doesn't have an injury we're not privy to. He's been the main culprit in pass pro the last two week specifically.

Lastly, while o line play has not been stellar by any means, a good number of the sacks Rodgers has taken this season are due to him holding the ball far too long. When you hit 4 seconds plus in the pocket with the ball in your hand, that QB takes the lion's share of blame for a sack.

kparis99

November 16, 2015 at 11:04 am

A thing that has been bothering me is the comment Aaron made about the fan making the racial comment during the moment of silence. It seems like Aaron was trying to defect the focus off his performance, and onto the fans. Making a statement like that, about a single fan in the stands is going to lump all packers fans as racists, and I don’t like it. Aaron’s comments in the past have always seemed very calculated, but this really has me puzzled. It just doesn’t fit.

WKUPackFan

November 16, 2015 at 12:35 pm

Connecting AR's comment to: a) an attempt to deflect from his performance; and b) selling out every fan in attendance is a huge leap of logic. If the attending fans feel that way they're just a tad over sensitive.

November 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm

The media asked him a question about it so he answered... how is that deflection?

WinUSA

November 17, 2015 at 10:52 am

Rodgers should have been benched....4 weeks of this dribble is more than I can put up with....Huntley could have done no worse.

Where is Olivia...haven't seen her lately...I hate to say it but Rodgers is playing like a man with a broken heart.

McCarthy's inaction is worse than any action he could have taken.

Hematite

November 16, 2015 at 06:12 am

McCarthy tried to light a fire under his team but all he had was a pocket full of wet matches.

cuphound

November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

The psychological collapse of the offense is astonishing. I wish I could understand the internal dynamics of what is happening in the locker room.

November 15, 2015 at 06:22 pm

Aaron's Yes-Man Tom Clements has taken over the offense, so Aaron doesn't believe he needs to adhere to fundamentals anymore.

November 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm

Bigger than that. Its a management collapse including MM, DC and TT. Way bigger than AR, and has to do with lack of schemes and pace.

Oppy

November 16, 2015 at 06:44 pm

It seems like just last year everyone was sick and tired of MM and DC having too many schemes or utilizing sneaky or specialized schemes to gain advantage instead of just playing straight up old school football... Oh, wait, it WAS just last year. And the year before that. And the year before THAT.

Now everyone's saying it's the lack of schemes that are the issue?

Next thing you know, all the people who called MM's playcalling atrocious and predictable and wanted someone else to call the plays, will be screaming for MM to take over play calling again... Oh, wait....

November 16, 2015 at 10:05 pm

Exactly. The same people wanting McCarthy to give up playcalling are now begging for him to do the playcalling. Some people just have no clue. McCarthy is widely considered one of the better playcallers in the NFL. Same thing w/ Capers. Both are highly respected in NFL circles.

Anyone who thinks McCarthy has lost the team and should be fired is a fool. I lived thru the entire 70's and 80's and want no part of that shitfest ever again. Its not like there are HC in waiting throughout the NFL. Chances are MUCH greater that if McCarthy was let go, we would get a much worse HC, thereby completely wasting the rest of Rodgers career.

NashvilleCheesehead

November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

#waitUntilNextYear

Beep

November 15, 2015 at 06:14 pm

Just need to figure it out next week for the Vikings and all is well. Vikes 7-2 could very easily become 10-6 with this schedule: vs GB, @ ATL, vs SEA, @ ARI, vs CHI, vs NYG, @ GB.
Get MM to take over play calling, call some quick hitting pass plays to get a rhythm, cut Masthay, and have the D bottle up Petersen.

November 15, 2015 at 07:16 pm

Something definitely needs to change. What it is. I don't know.

The easiest solution is to put McCarthy back as play caller. But is it that simple?
Players need to play better no question, but they definitely need to make some sort of change.

November 15, 2015 at 10:43 pm

Bigger than that. Its a management collapse including MM, DC and TT. Way bigger Tom Clements and playcalling, and has to do with lack of schemes, pace, route concepts and preparation. Terribly coached team this whole year. Bad 'management'.

November 16, 2015 at 03:06 am

I think that this is not management issue. It is players execution issue. It is players looking at themselves as better than others and who flies high, falls low and painfull... Team starts to play when it is over. So, it is not schemes or lack of preparation. It is in their heads/minds/thoughts. Aaron trying to take care of records and he is not relaxed. Maybe fan base should tells him now: R-E-L-A-X! When you look at the most of the games this season it is like we scored in the 1st Q, bad playing 2nd and 3rd Q, then excells at 4th Q. Remembering stories about team that playes the best at crunch time? It catch you suddenly. We all come to this season as we already won SB 50. That was and is the problem. We won nothing yet. We still have the chance... One of the most important games are coming next Sunday. That is must win game. Not to win over NFC North, but to stop this L streak and gain some confidence for the rest of the season!

mrtundra

November 15, 2015 at 09:05 pm

There is so much wrong with this team right now that I do not think one week's worth of practice is enough time to fix things in time for the vikings game. That being said, Perillo was pretty decent today and I would have liked to have seen him targeted in the end zone for that 2 point conversion play. Randall played a good game for us, too. It was nice to see Abbrederis getting some playing time and actually contributing with some nice receptions. I heard Adams missed a few catches, today, but don't know if that were his fault, or not. I feel if the ball hits you in the hands, you should find a way to catch it. I still love the Packers but they are making it hard for their fans to feel good about this season.

Flow49

November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

Luckily the only objects within reach all game for me were pillows... How does it take 3 1/2 quarters for the offense to get it?? Once again the screen pass makes an appearance in the 4th quarter when it should be called in the 1st or 2nd. Watching this offense is infuriating!??!$?

November 15, 2015 at 04:04 pm

But they were called throughout the entire game. Are you watching the entire game?

November 15, 2015 at 09:13 pm

Drealyn, everyone is doom and gloom, at least the last few weeks you've had some perspective

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November 15, 2015 at 03:52 pm

three in a row, who is at fault. I think the offensive coordinator has a lot to answer for. go back to last year system.

November 15, 2015 at 06:24 pm

Edgar Bennett is the OC, and I'd love to see him calling plays. Not only because he's not Aaron's Yes-Man, but because he came up in Holmgren's WCO system, which is based on high percentage passing.

The current Run and Shoot system has never had nearly as much success in the NFL.

November 15, 2015 at 08:20 pm

What you're saying makes a lot of sense.

Honestly if McCarthy doesn't want to do it and Clement isn't good enough to do it, why not see what Bennett could do.

The Packers system worked just fine when they had the personnel to do it. They clearly don't have it to run that system right now. This is where the coaches need to do a better job to adjust their system to its players. Let's face it Rich Rod is not Finley. Finley was the difference maker in that system.

November 16, 2015 at 03:10 am

Last 2 games, Perillo looks like he is that type of TE!

Hematite

November 16, 2015 at 06:19 am

Because McCarthy is the head coach and he is as stubborn as an old mule.

bigfog

November 15, 2015 at 03:53 pm

Woah, woah, woah Aaron. You're the guy I look to in times like this to buoy my hopes and make me have some valuable perspective. If I wanted to read this down in the dumps stuff, I'd take to JS Comments and Twitter!

Wenis

November 15, 2015 at 03:55 pm

Now can open criticism of the entire team be accepted or will the homerism still run rampant. No longer can you put up with apathy in the form of "Well, we are 6-2 only losing to two undefeated teams on the road." Now we are 6-3 having being beat by one of the worst teams at home.

The defense did its job again and every other facet of this game was sleep walking.

November 15, 2015 at 05:59 pm

We're already seeing the homerism. Supposedly it's good to get our stank-on right now during the middle of the season, like a number of other SB winners did. Today's game was a positive.

November 15, 2015 at 07:18 pm

My criticism is noted, but I'm damn sure not giving up on this team. I do believe they will bounce back sooner than later. Does that make a homer too?

November 15, 2015 at 09:18 pm

I'll take being called a homer all day but I still believe in this team... You short sided, fickle so called fans forget that the rest of the season still has to play out. In 2010 they lost back to back games to Miami and Washington who were both terrible. Grow up and get over these losses, they could turn it around and win out next week your or I don't know what will happen.

November 15, 2015 at 10:50 pm

you guys seem to believe in stars and astrology as if things just bounce to resolve eventually for the "good guys". Its not about bounce backs and lottery luck. Its about management ability to prepare and scheme which they have failed all year. Even when they won games, they were employing very poor tactical leadership.
Wishful thinking is clearly the rage on this site.
I prefer prediction based on evidence of past.

November 16, 2015 at 03:15 am

Hey man. You are OK! But obviously you are so hurt now that you want everybody to be changed... OK! If you need so, please comment like this, but, believe or not, this team will bounce back, eventually... It is not the stars and astology, or magic or whatever... It is pure human stupidity. When you believe you are better or worse than others - you lose in both situation. It is necessary to gain perspective to be successful. Something Lions had yesterda and Packers had not...

November 16, 2015 at 12:53 pm

I call bull... if you were making prediction based on evidence of past you would recognize that the Pack and Pats have the consecutive playoff streaks going. Even when Rodgers went down with the collarbone they found a way to get in. They are currently 6-3, the fast start to the season may be their saving grace if they can turn it around. A win next week puts them atop the NFC North again. Past evidence would suggest they'll find a way to win the division.

Wenis

November 16, 2015 at 08:37 am

I am not pointing to anyone directly as being a homer. What I am speaking of is the mentality that has infected this site that losing is ok because it is a 16 game season. Losing to the Lions at home was a disgrace and is unacceptable.

Yes I agree with everyone else that this team will bounce back and right the ship. Can't wait until that time comes.

November 16, 2015 at 09:34 am

I agree the loss was unacceptable to the lions, however, I will refuse to think they are done for the year because they've played shitty for 3 games.

WinUSA

November 17, 2015 at 10:59 am

3 games? The have played shitty for at least FOUR games... If it wouldn't have been for one heads up play on the last play for SD we would have gone to over time and been continued to be picked apart by Phillips.

Christ the guy threw for over 500 yards. We have made Phillips, Manning, AND Newton look as if they can walk on water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allison Hendricks

November 15, 2015 at 03:55 pm

I feel like we need more information, because getting fed the same stuff or baseline basic information isn't cutting it anymore. There has been a clear collapse psychologically. No one has confidence. No one has any idea what is going on. It's been 4 weeks and it only gets worse. I love the Packers but my God I'm embarrassed for them. I don't think firing people is the answer but something has to happen to right the ship.

November 15, 2015 at 06:26 pm

Aside from when it really mattered, I thought the defense held up pretty well.

November 15, 2015 at 03:56 pm

An overlooked factor in this game will be how the refs called the game in the secondary. Really hurt the Packers. Lions were smarter in that regard. They played how they were being allowed to. Packers didn't (see Hayward coverage on the TD). But of course, a lot of things went wrong today.

November 15, 2015 at 04:00 pm

A lot of truth to that. There was a lot of non calls. WRs have the right to the ball. That changed the game.

November 15, 2015 at 04:10 pm

It only changes the game because AR threw at the mugging rather than the open man.

November 15, 2015 at 04:36 pm

Great point @Tommy

NashvilleCheesehead

November 15, 2015 at 04:47 pm

You mean when he wasn't throwing it into the ground....

NashvilleCheesehead

November 15, 2015 at 04:47 pm

You mean when he wasn't throwing it into the ground....

Pumpguy1988

November 15, 2015 at 11:33 pm

One of the problems are the receivers aren't getting open because they can't beat the DB's

GVPacker

November 15, 2015 at 05:46 pm

Good Point Al. I saw a lot of Holding and Arm Bar interference by the Lions DB's. They got away with it in the first quarter and used that tactic for the remainder of the game!

November 15, 2015 at 10:52 pm

boo hoo, poor WRs. What was the excuse the other 8 games when they can't get open?

November 15, 2015 at 05:47 pm

Blame the refs? TOTAL loser mentality. Not to be disrespectful, but this team has been playing for a goid call from the refs instead of playing like it should. Offense seems to be made of losers. Blaming the officiating is the epitomyof loser-ness.

November 15, 2015 at 08:48 pm

holy cow, can we simply say something might be overlooked without someone interpreting it as blaming the whole loss on it? Overlooked indicates it wasn't one of the main reasons, simply a contributing factor that might not be mentioned as much because so many other things were so BAD.

November 15, 2015 at 09:21 pm

Al, great point but everyone is having emotional outbursts because they hurt by this teams bad stretch. Lots of problems but this team has a lot of talent that is underachieving and it can be righted.

Jayme Snowden

November 15, 2015 at 10:11 pm

Pretty sure Al's point far from blaming the refs but instead blaming coaches. The refs let the dbs play, grab, etc. lions saw this and kept doing it. Packers saw it and just complained. All crews call games differently, good teams and coaches will observe and make adjustments. I read Al's point that the Packers should have noticed how the game was being called and started grabbing and bumping more in the secondary; that's a complaint against the team not the refs.

November 15, 2015 at 10:59 pm

My biggest complaint on the team this year is how the coaches aren't making the adjustments needed.

November 16, 2015 at 03:24 am

I read it exactly the same as you. It was not complaining on the refs, but on not adjusting to their criteria...
But to be honest they did not have criteria. Mike McCarthy was jelling on them and next play they called PI in Packers favor (it was PI). And that was that. After that again "criteria" were changed...
More physical team got 3 (read again 3) penalties for 35 yards, less physical team got 5 (read again 5) penalties for 55 yards... Was this game the one with the smallest number of penalties this season (8 total) for just 90 yards?
Ah...

November 16, 2015 at 01:36 pm

exactly, Jayme. Instead, we see Hayward playing 3 yards off the receiver on the GOAL LINE!!! Never touched him. EASY TD!!!

EdsLaces

November 15, 2015 at 03:58 pm

What was that there Adam Czech or however you spell it? Packers will win this game guaranteed? Yeah great call bud. Anyone who thinks this packer team is guaranteed to win against any pro team right now isn't fn watching them play!!!! This sh#t is sad. 17 wants to catch hard ones and drop easy ones. Cobb basically disappeared. Starks didn't do crap. Aaron missed about 25 throws. Only highlight .....Clinton-Dix must have heard the criticism cause he was lights f#ckin out today.....I hate football I'm out.

November 15, 2015 at 03:59 pm

Thanks for playing!

November 15, 2015 at 03:58 pm

Wow.

I love this team but wow...

Blame goes everywhere for this one. WRs dropped way to many. Rodgers missed some throws.

Defense played great for most of the game. This shouldn't have been a game.

Completely a disaster. The team looks just lost right now. Big game next week.
If they don't win its going to turn into a very long season.

November 15, 2015 at 04:15 pm

There is zero reason to think this team will win against Minnesota; a team that will own the division and be playing out of their minds next week. Chalk up the loss now.

November 16, 2015 at 03:33 am

It was not complete disaster. The player lot of people spit on him last week showed them that he is the best Packers safety after Nick Collins and Charles Woodson. He had 11 tackles (9 solo) and INT and was one who played all he has whole game until injury (concussion!). Where were Clay, Julius (nice tackling Julius!), Neal, Perry, Daniels (6 tackles no one solo), B. J. Raji? I say Ha-Ha had all the rights to yell on Peppers and the rest of DL and LB. People was laughing to Nate Palmer (8 tackles, 6 solo)...
I love the Packers. I do not love team. If somebody plays horrible, even if his name is Aaron Rodgers, he should be placed on side. I'm certain that Scott Tolzien would perform better...
Now, you can start to dislike me...

Klincker

November 15, 2015 at 03:59 pm

Its up to MM, as head coach, to take leadership of this team, and get it back to what it should be. He should be able to identify the problems, and there are many.

And if I hear the word fundamentals from ANY ONE OF THE PACKERS PLAYERS OR COACHES, then they truly dont have what it takes to win. Fundamentals is the easy excuse, and that train has left the station.

And find someone at ILB. Matthews has to be OLB. The rush isnt getting through. Zero sacks in three straight games, and barely any knock-downs.

And I would say, that someone has to get into AR's head and straighten him out. He looks disconnected and disinterested when TV show him on the sidelines.

November 15, 2015 at 10:57 pm

MM as a leader is the root of the problem. He and DC. They have failed to prepare the team with the right schemes and strategy. All other situational failures are result. Talented team. Won a lot last year. But opponents can now outsmart a straightjacketed, rigid McCarthy this year. Simple as that.

November 15, 2015 at 04:04 pm

Aside from the fact the they played awful. They could have won if they knew the value of timeouts and clock management.

Wasted Timeouts = 2. One on D early in 3rd quarter. Detroit scored TD anyway. Second one before 2 point conversion with the clock stopped.

Then McCarthy no timeout with 2:24 in game.

STOP WASTING FREAKING TIMEOUTS!!

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

Change the word freaking and your 100% right.

November 15, 2015 at 05:52 pm

Unfortunately the team hasn't figured out how to snap the ball before the play clock expires. You would think by the 9th game of the year a professional sports team could figure this oyt. Not the McDumbass led Packers...

November 15, 2015 at 06:31 pm

You may not want to hear this, but time mgmt had absolutely NOTHING to do w/ the loss. But keep beating that dead horse if it make you feel better. Too bad it doesn't make you right!

November 15, 2015 at 09:04 pm

There is no right, there is no wrong, only thinking makes it so.

Just opinions is all.

paxbak

November 15, 2015 at 04:03 pm

It's over Johnny

https://youtu.be/gLo-ylNPXyE

November 15, 2015 at 04:38 pm

Nothing is Over! Nothing!

November 15, 2015 at 05:23 pm

It's over if the offense plays the way it has been. It's a mess.

Packer_Pete

November 15, 2015 at 04:03 pm

Let me just say it this way. I don't want to hear about WRs not getting open, they were pen all day. #12 was AWFUL. There was one down where he could've run for 20 yards, he actually had Sitton in front as a blocker and nothing but green grass. Instead he tried to throw a long one. He missed at least 7 open WRs/TEs badly. When will McC pull the cord and put the QB2 in? Maybe this O needs a kickstart, and #12 is not capable at the moment to lead them to anything.
The D was alright today. ST was bad. But the O was downright terrible. Worst O in the league at the moment.

November 15, 2015 at 04:37 pm

Thumbs up from me

November 15, 2015 at 06:38 pm

Really??? Your calling for Tolzien over Rodgers?!

If I didn't think you were on drugs sayin receivers were open all day, after that comment I surely do.

Rodgers certainly isn't himself, and had a bad game, but asking for Tolzien is lunacy, which was my initial reaction to saying receivers were open all day.

November 15, 2015 at 07:24 pm

I'm not changing Rodgers for anyone. But there is definitely something wrong with him. He is missing wide open WRs, throwing into the dirt on others. Other times he is hitting WRs perfectly where only he makes that throw.

I'm not sure what is going on, but for us to have any chance this year at anything we need him to start playing his best.

baldski

November 15, 2015 at 09:31 pm

It's the curse of the super model girlfriend! Ask Tony Romo.

acularw

November 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

What about Tom Brady?

November 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm

You guys seem to love being suspended in imposed perplexity.

November 16, 2015 at 03:37 am

Yes, I'm calling Scott too. He can't play worse than Aaron at the moment!

Packer_Pete

November 16, 2015 at 09:36 am

From the top of my head I can remember at least 7 plays where receivers were wide open. And I am sure if I rewatched the game I'd see more. Those would've been big gains. But either Rodgers didn't see them or threw it into the dirt. So if you didn't see that then please rewatch the game.

As far as me being on drugs, well I had a few beers. Which is my drug of choice. Other than that, you should be checking what you've had in your system. Must have impacted your eyesight.

I watched the Broncos game after the Packers game. When Manning was inefficient and played badly, he was yanked, and they brought Osweiler in. And that on the day when he broke the NFL passing record. My point is, nobody should be safe on this team. If someone does not perform, try with another guy. I am not saying Tolzien is better than Rodgers, but what I am saying is that when #12 has a bad day, why not try someone else during the game. Or is his confidence so shaky that you couldn't pull him out? I think one of the main problems is that certain superstars on this team know they'll always play. I'd give Elliott more reps, and play Peppers less. I'd give the young WRs more and play JJ and Adams a little less if they don't perform. Why not do the same with a QB? This should be about winning the game, not about protecting the fragile ego of your supposed best player in the NFL.

November 15, 2015 at 11:03 pm

P_P
The defense was inadequate today. No sacks. lots of passes yielded in short middle of field as typical of the year. They did hold up against the run however.

November 16, 2015 at 12:59 pm

Disagree. The defense gave up 18 points, one touchdown drive which started at the 5 yard line. That should win the majority of NFL match ups if your offense plays to the NFL average.

barutanseijin

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

If they play like they have since the Denver game they have no chance in Minnesota.

November 15, 2015 at 11:35 pm

Serious? The bikes have one of the best defneses a Nd the best running game right now and your thinking that ePack have a chance. I had the bikes winning the division since pre season. Ted t did nothing to improve ethis team.

TarynsEyes

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

"Just what the Doctor ordered" was the talk for what ails the Packers this weekend vs the Lions......I guess the Dr was on vacation this weekend and didn't fill the prescription as I made note of and the Packers drank that cure all elixir of pure alcohol...drunks slobbering all over themselves...disgusting.

barutanseijin

November 15, 2015 at 04:05 pm

If they play like they have since the Denver game they have no chance in Minnesota.

justinritzel1

November 15, 2015 at 04:06 pm

I've never seen Aaron Rodgers throw so many passes into the dirt.

November 15, 2015 at 05:50 pm

Arod trusts the dirt.

jbromusic

November 15, 2015 at 06:11 pm

the dirt has better hands than adams. i kid, i kid (kind of)

November 15, 2015 at 06:45 pm

On any given play, ARod knows where the dirt will be.

November 15, 2015 at 04:08 pm

Gut reaction: f*ck this offense, AR in particular. That being said, I think Abbredaris and Perillo were highlights. Adams is a complete bust. The worst part of the AR/Adams combo is that AR threw at him multiple time when he thought he might get a penalty, completely ignoring the WIDE F*CKING OPEN slant route across the middle. The defense did an outstanding job today. With the exception of the mason shank the special teams played well too. The offense has nearly zero to be happy about.

November 15, 2015 at 05:29 pm

What is funny is the best drive they had all day was when they went to a 4 WR set, in the 4th quarter....

While I blame the QB and WRs for most of this loss, I am not letting the offensive coordinator and coaches off the hook. The offense struggled all game and yet they kept trotting out the same personnel for most of the game.

November 15, 2015 at 05:57 pm

Ok,RC. Either you're in denial or you just like to debate.

What else can be done or could have been done in that game? If they would have made the easy plays (on offense) the game would have been wrapped up before the 4th. Even in the 4th (w/Davante's 2 potential TDs) they were not finishing plays.

November 15, 2015 at 06:42 pm

Trust me. I blame the players. This is purely on the players, and mostly on Rodgers. I am just saying that the coaches need to realize that what they are doing isn't working and need to do something different. When they took out R Rodgers and put in Perillo. He actually came up with nice plays. When they put in the 4 WR set it created some looks that the defense wasn't able to defend easily. My whole take on it is why run 3 quarters of the same offense if your not getting good results. Yes a lot of it is on the players, but if they aren't getting the job done then they need to put someone in that can. That to me is on the coaches.

November 15, 2015 at 07:56 pm

@RC, did you an issue with the first series?

Serious question.

The coaches are putting the best available players out there. No WR past Ty is going to change this offense. No TE past Rodgers/Quarless is going to change this offense.

4 WRs sets can't be ran for majority of the game because it limits this offense.

November 15, 2015 at 08:26 pm

Problem isn't the first series. Go back and look at every game this year. First series (which is scripted) seems to run great. After that they get into a rut and do the exact same thing for the next 2 quarters and change things in the 4th and get the offense going again. It's been that way almost every game this year.

I think Clements is in over his head. Not one player will make a huge difference. But creating different looks and using a lot of different players might make the difference. Doing the same thing over and over again doesn't seem to be working. It's time they start changing it up more. I'm not saying run the whole game in 4 WR sets. But mix it in. Get the defense to substitute and find a mismatch.

November 15, 2015 at 11:07 pm

Actually, the first series was exactly what I had been calling for. A quick pass attack. It worked. But I expected a bit more before going to run sets. They should have stayed in that for another 2 series.

November 15, 2015 at 06:41 pm

Apparently you missed where Abbrederis got lit up and suffered another concussion. In case you didn't realize he didn't return to the game. His career might as well be over.

dobber

November 15, 2015 at 07:31 pm

I found a report that it was a rib injury, but if you're right and it's another concussion, then he should be glad for his brief time in uniform and retire. It isn't worth ending up in wheelchair with drool running down your chin in your 40s.

November 16, 2015 at 03:42 am

It is reported on packers.com that Jared Abbrederis has rib injury. It is not concussion. But Ha-Ha got concussion.

dobber

November 15, 2015 at 07:32 pm

"With the exception of the mason shank the special teams played well too."

I presume you also choose to point out the Abdullah KO return to start the second half. That was the game-changer right there.

badaxed

November 15, 2015 at 07:36 pm

104 yard kickoff return?

Raul Castro

November 15, 2015 at 04:12 pm

I feel absolutely disconnected to this absolutely disconnected team.

Raul Castro

November 15, 2015 at 04:09 pm

Am I the only one that thinks Romo's Crownies actually look good?

It's odd. A game like this really puts into perspective the meaninglessness of the game. So we lost. Ok. We will win again. Maybe not next week. Maybe not this year. It will happen again some time. I won't waste my life crying over botched FGs. If the team doesn't care, why should I? I love the Packers, but ultimately they don't give a shit about my problems so I won't waste my life crying over them. We live, we die. We love, we cry. We win, we lose. Only one thing is certain... No matter what happens this season, Star Wars comes back in December. Go Pack Go.. Or not. You all decide.

November 15, 2015 at 04:17 pm

Communist!

Raul Castro

November 15, 2015 at 04:37 pm

Putin would've made the kick!

November 15, 2015 at 04:39 pm

I agree!

November 16, 2015 at 07:03 am

Putin would have intimidated the refs on the lack of defensive holding calls.

Raul's attitude reminds me of my attitude back in the 1970s and 1980s when I hoped GB would slip into the playoffs, with no real expectation of success. Given that we have an elite QB in place, I really, really, really, don't want to go back to that attitude.

pacman

November 15, 2015 at 04:10 pm

Let's see if MM has the brains or guts to do something rather than wait until the end of the season.

And AR a psychologist as he "ain't right" and if he isn't, there is no team.

November 15, 2015 at 05:57 pm

MM make an adjustment? Not going to happen ever. The moat stubborn and clueless coach ever is incapable

real some guy

November 15, 2015 at 04:10 pm

This is what you get when a team is beat up physically and doesn't have the coaching staff to adjust. This has been a long time coming.

The defense has serious tactical issues and struggles against anyone with a pulse.

On offense, we have become one of the most predictable and boring teams in the league. The same formations, the same routes, the same personnel. The defense KNOWS what is coming. Its hard count, 3 yard out, backshoulder throw mixed in with a few runs up the gut. you cannot continue to do that, And Rodgers continues to hold the ball way too long

Where are the bubble screens, bunch formations, and rub routes? they're just completely missing from the playbook. Watch the Patriots play calls and routes. its night and day from our offense. It almost feels like Rodgers is doing nothing pre-snap.

Perhaps losing so many coaches on the offensive side over the last 5 years has finally crippled the team.

November 15, 2015 at 05:59 pm

Great comment

jbromusic

November 16, 2015 at 12:20 am

well said real some guy. i think it's a total offensive collapse. there are so many guys who are banged up right now- cobb, adams, lacy, bakh (i also think rodgers is injured but it hasn't been reported. how else would you explain his inaccuracy as a passer over these last 4 games? ). plus you don't have nelson, montgomery or quarless out there. rodgers has NO confidence in his line, his receivers, or his running game and he's lost confidence in himself. i think the guys around him sense it too and it's effecting the psyche of the entire offense. this is just a guess on my part but i think there's a lot of truth to it.

Icebowler

November 15, 2015 at 11:04 pm

Our Offense, lead by Rodgers, is having one big collective "Panic Attack". Time to get the Yoga mats back out?

November 16, 2015 at 03:53 am

Or put Scott in. It will be interesting to see how Packers O will play then. I say replace Corey with J. C., Josh and T. J. with Walker & Taylor, put Barclay on the RT and activate Vujnovich as LT. They will play better than existing OL. Why? Because they will know they have to give everything from themselves and thery will execute, not thinking about...

November 16, 2015 at 03:53 am

November 15, 2015 at 11:11 pm

RSG;
Exactly. Coaches have not set up the players to succeed, and it all starts collapsing.

some_guy

November 15, 2015 at 04:11 pm

It's ok guys you can't go 12-4 without losing 3 games. Lotta season left! :D

...or maybe we can stop being ok with it always getting near this point before they get their heads out of their asses and right the ship. Eventually something was going to give.

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November 16, 2015 at 03:54 am

I'm sure you can get 12-4 with losing 3 games only! It will be the first team that have 12-4 with 3 loss...

Idiot Fan

November 15, 2015 at 04:15 pm

Since this is pretty much rock bottom, I'm choosing optimism:

- Randall has some game.
- Perillo showed something today.
- Rodgers has always been pin-point accurate, but he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn today. That won't always be true.
- Receivers dropped a bunch too. That won't always be true.

Side note: I do wish the receivers would stop looking at the refs immediately after an incomplete pass. Ignore the refs, ignore the DB, and just go get the ball.

I still like our chances next week.

Allison Hendricks

November 15, 2015 at 04:26 pm

I like you.

Seriously.

I already said to myself, the best part about rock bottom is there's no where to go but up, and I think bottom was hit today. Lots of stuff that is psychological in nature and lots of unusual behavior. I'm sure adjustments need to be made, but it's not the apocalypse.

November 15, 2015 at 04:35 pm

I agree with the general sentiment, but there is something to working the refs, too. It might be that it is generally known that being physical with our WRs (even mugging them) is the achilles heel of this team, and refs will not give us the benefit of the doubt, or at least the benefit to a 2nd year WR.

packsmack

November 15, 2015 at 04:36 pm

I agree, and it's better to find the bottom now than later. I've always hated when this team plays their bad games toward the end of the season. If you look back at just about all of the last 10 or so champs, they had a bumpy road early or in the middle of the year while there was still time to figure it all out.

November 15, 2015 at 04:49 pm

Thanks. I needed a silver lining to grab onto.

Idiot Fan

November 15, 2015 at 04:58 pm

I could not agree more. The 2012 Giants lost five in a row in the middle of the season. The 2013 Ravens were horrendous for a stretch even right up to the playoffs. Work out the crap now and hit your stride at the right time. This season is not even close to over.

November 15, 2015 at 08:53 pm

thumbs up!

November 15, 2015 at 09:28 pm

We desperately need a big, physical receiver, not another tiny diva.

November 16, 2015 at 03:58 am

You are the fan for Idiots, so for me too... ;-)
I like your attitude and I agree with you. But I think Packers should think about some drastic changes in playing personnel, offense for sure...

GVPacker

November 15, 2015 at 05:51 pm

You may be an Idiot but you're no Dummy!

November 15, 2015 at 11:40 pm

I quiped to wider these guys are missing passes in there hands and trying to blame it on the defenders. Why tomuchbelly aiming on this team. I thought the wheels would falloff this wagon with a lionloss.

November 15, 2015 at 04:11 pm

What's the reason for ARod's shitty play? Classic comments at home today- my wife asked if ARod and Olivia split up...my dad asked if they got married!

Handsback

November 15, 2015 at 04:11 pm

This team is scary, very scary bad!

real some guy

November 15, 2015 at 04:12 pm

This is what you get when a team is beat up physically and doesn't have the coaching staff to adjust. This has been a long time coming.

The defense has serious tactical issues and struggles against anyone with a pulse.

Perhaps losing so many coaches on the offensive side over the last 5 years has finally crippled the team.

November 15, 2015 at 04:22 pm

"People aren't getting open"

Also, "we like our guys"

November 15, 2015 at 04:37 pm

All true. Aargh. Too dam predictable.

AngryPackersFan

November 15, 2015 at 04:13 pm

Trade Rodgers for a 6th round pick, while we can still get something for him.

TarynsEyes

November 15, 2015 at 04:13 pm

The defense played better against another horrid offense...kudos.
The offense played like a pee wee team against a horrid defense.
This is the most talented team in the NFL as like falsely believed last season...not.
Abbrederis gets 20 snaps and Janis gets one.....nobody is telling me it isn't more a personal dislike by Rodgers,if Janis is that bad than cut him,because his SPT play won't save the season and neither will keeping him on the sideline..wasting learning time and chance of changing things on offense....nothing to lose since we are looking to lose much more than ever expected.

November 15, 2015 at 04:48 pm

Taryn, I love ya, but Abby is the more accomplished WR at this point. I do not care which one gets some snaps, and would prefer both to get some meaningful snaps. Edit: I am just happy to see Abby on the field. Actually, I really do not know why Janis is not getting more snaps. (Delete this: That said, personal dislike is not the reason Janis is on the sidelines, imo - because I do not know.)

TarynsEyes

November 15, 2015 at 04:53 pm

The ineptitude of the offense would have many tossing sh%t sticks at a wall to see if it works....the thinking on Janis' route running is equal to sh%t sticks..it has to be a personal thing..to what degree is a question but it has an influence.

November 15, 2015 at 11:16 pm

Tarynfor12;
It is totally irrational though. That's all. Its just a subjective conjecture.

jbromusic

November 15, 2015 at 06:22 pm

abby is a better receiver but he's made of glass. you can't count on him to stay healthy

November 15, 2015 at 09:30 pm

Sad, but true.......to quote Metallica

November 15, 2015 at 05:40 pm

I agree with your take on Abbrederis and Janis. I am at that point with Janis too. If he isn't good enough to play then cut him.

If there is an issue with Rodgers and the WRs it's time he gets over it. Today he finally started throwing to Abbrederis and look at what happens. They have their best drive. They start looking like the offense we are accustomed to seeing. This offense needs to use everyone it has. Even Perillo surprised me and played well. It's time he figures a way to use Janis and others.

I don't get the coaches. They trust Randall even though he makes mistakes. They pull Palmer for Ryan and he plays well. This week Palmer is starting again. They don't play the young players because they are afraid of them making mistakes? If they are afraid to play young players they better be going out and getting veterans then.

November 15, 2015 at 06:58 pm

So your sayin they should have cut Jordy Nelson after a yr and 1/2 too?

Janis came from a very small school and has a lot to learn. Abbrederis came from a better, NFLish offense, too bad he got ANOTHER concussion today. But then that's always been his issue. Hasn't it?

November 15, 2015 at 07:31 pm

Did Abbrederis really get a concussion? I haven't seen anywhere else that shows he got one.

November 15, 2015 at 08:14 pm

One of the biggest differences with Nelson is he had proven guys ahead of him in their prime and healthy. The guys ahead of Janis now are not in their primes. The only one is Cobb. Jones, while I like is past his prime. Abbrederis just got his first meaningful playing time. Adams is still young and learning. Montgomery is injured right now.
The reason why I would like to see him getting used is because he offers something to the offense that they are sorely missing. That's big play potential. While he might not be ready to be a #1-3 WR I don't see any reason why he couldn't be used as a number 4.
That's my opinion on it. Whether it's right or wrong it's my own.

November 15, 2015 at 11:13 pm

" I am at that point with Janis too. If he isn't good enough to play then cut him." Was your quote was it not? Using that comment, like I mentioned they then should have released Jordy.

I don't care what's ahead of or behind anyone on the depth chart. What's keeping Janis off the field is the coaches don't think he will help them win. Simple as that. Coaches trust him and he's going to play. I don't disagree that he has big play potential, but some amount of consistency is required from the coaches and he hasn't EARNED it yet.

Turns out Abbrederis has a rib injury. Thought for sure it was a concussion, since they took his helmet and didn't return.

November 16, 2015 at 07:01 am

There is a big difference between Jordy and Jeff. Yes Jordy sat and didn't get a lot of playing time. But he still got playing time. The reason why he didn't play more was because of the talent in front of him.

The talent in front of Jordy is way better then the talent in front of Jeff. There is a big difference.

I know what your saying. Coaches and Rodgers don't trust Jeff. For whatever reason. I'm sure he is still trying to learn the system and how to play at this level.

My only thing with Jeff right now is that they are so reluctant of playing him, afraid he will make a mistake. Well they don't have a problem with other players making mistakes. Randall has made mistakes and yet he is starting. Hayward Makes mistakes and he plays. Adams makes mistakes and he plays. R. Rodgers has been making a lot of mistakes and he continues to get a ton of playing time. They just finally started using Abbrederis and guess what, he played well... They just started using Perillo, and guess what he makes plays.

I really think its more with Rodgers then it is with the coaches. Even in yesterdays game Abbrederis was playing a quite a bit, and Rodgers wasn't throwing to him early. There was a 3rd down that Abbrederis ran an out Route about 2 yards past the first down line. If Rodgers throws it early, he is open. Rodgers waits, he gets covered and he throws it over his head out of bounds and they have to punt. Once he started throwing to him, he started making plays with it. Same with Perillo. Once he started throwing to him, he started making plays.
Rodgers needs to do a better job of spreading the ball around to the players that are on the field.
Now its not on Rodgers who comes in and out of the game, but I think Rodgers has a problem throwing to certain players.

In my opinion its time they start trusting the young players they have. Might not be ready for a full time role, but maybe they can be used sparingly to help make a difference.

November 16, 2015 at 04:04 am

You again. He does not have concussion. He get RIB INJURY! Abby get hit by the crown of the helmet (forbiden in NFL!, not flaged!) towards his back and he was not tested on concussion. I think you should be tested on concussion!
Ha-Ha was investigated for concussion, I'm sure he suffered!

November 16, 2015 at 10:17 pm

I admitted I was mistaken. What the F is your problem!

November 15, 2015 at 11:42 pm

Janis inst playing because Rogers doesn't like him. Rogers has been politicking for Abbey and he gets his way.

November 16, 2015 at 07:18 am

And yet it took how long for Rodgers to actually look at Abbrederis seriously and throw to him.

Its time Rodgers gets over himself and starts using everyone he has available.

This offense is not as experienced as he has had in the past. There are a lot of young talented players, and he needs to start using them.
Like yesterday Abbrederis and Perillo stepped up. Maybe these young guys can actually make plays if given the chance.

November 16, 2015 at 01:02 pm

You guys don't actually think it's a trust thing with Rodgers do you really? He threw that laser to Perillo, why does he supposedly "trust" him vs. anyone else. I think he is not seeing the field properly and it has nothing to do with trust. I also think he doesn't have a clean pocket to step into very often at all. Kind of hard to see the field with O-line being pushed into your face.

AngryPackersFan

November 15, 2015 at 04:15 pm

Fire TT, and off with McCarthy's head

jeremyjjbrown

November 15, 2015 at 04:18 pm

What can I say about the Packers Offense that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan?

packerfan9507

November 15, 2015 at 04:20 pm

I love the Packers as much as I love women - even if they both disappoint me sexually.

packsmack

November 15, 2015 at 04:21 pm

Rabble rabble rabble!!

dobber

November 15, 2015 at 07:37 pm

I think the Hamburglar hijacked your account...

tm_inter

November 15, 2015 at 04:21 pm

If the Packers continue like this I fear for Mike McCarthy's job at the end of the season. Dom Capers too. Possibly more heads will roll. The coaches can't avoid responsibility. Execution of plays has been atrocious.

barutanseijin

November 15, 2015 at 04:30 pm

I get the impression that MM has been mailing it in this year. If #12 were playing at his usual level, people might not notice. Unfortunately for MM and the team, #12 is in a slump.

November 15, 2015 at 11:20 pm

#12 is in a slump in many ways because of MM and tactical approach each game.

November 16, 2015 at 01:43 pm

absolutely. That and the OL letting him get smacked around pretty hard. he actually had a lot of the "happy feet" going on yesterday - big reason for some of those throws in the dirt.

November 16, 2015 at 01:52 pm

Which is understandable. So why doesn't McCarthy take the Chargers approach in what they did to us.

They went to a very short passing game. Going into that game the Chargers had one of the worst OL's in the game.
They went to plays in which the QB got rid of the ball fast. And took their shots when they were available. Why don't we see more of that?

lou

November 15, 2015 at 05:23 pm

McGinn's column this morning like last weeks was right on, in a nutshell if the talent level is not there there is not much the coach can do. Per McGinn's research he noted a long list of under achievers and just a couple of over achievers along with professional opinions that said the team has Super Bowl talent. The net is McCarthy and his staff are responsible and time is running out. The Buck starts at the top.

November 15, 2015 at 06:45 pm

Exactly. But when Rodgers isn't playing like superman and everyone else (on offense) can't even be serviceable, things look much worse than what it really is.

I'm just waiting for the key players to get healthy and Rodgers to find his groove. Their time will come. I'm certain.

November 15, 2015 at 11:27 pm

Well summarized lou.
Totally agree. At some point Packer-land has to decide, if coaches can't alter. Sometimes good managers run their course and times pass them by. Some very good coaches eventually and appropriate get fired.
MM's past success doesn't excuse him of current failure. If you stop performing, then you have to go. I'm not sure that time has arrived, but it has for Dom Capers for sure.

November 16, 2015 at 04:08 am

I agree with you, so if Aaron stops to performing bench him...

FITZCORE1252

November 15, 2015 at 04:24 pm

This team is all kinds of dysfunctional all of the sudden, and i have no idea why.

Even after last week i still had hope we could get to where we wanted to go, i think today nailed it home for me that this just isn't a championship team this year. Kinda nice to realize, now i won't get my feelers hurt when we are eliminated.

#NextYear

EdsLaces

November 15, 2015 at 05:54 pm

I'm with ya Fitz. Too many holes. We need to find a couple playmakers in the draft before we make our run in the next couple years. We need a better MLB to put Clay back outside. We need to find Peppers replacement. We need to find another Jordy and fast TE before we compete for the Lombardi again imo.

November 15, 2015 at 04:31 pm

Followed game on CHTV. So glad I did not watch game. Still love them but this was a brutal loss. Aaaargh. Change must come. And it starts with coaches.

November 15, 2015 at 04:29 pm

Tap...tap...Is this thing on?

- Umm, so how about that Rodgers guy?
- What happened to Cobb's hands?
- Adams...Adams...Adams...I can't defend a bitchy WR. No matter if he was right. You can't do that much bitching and then drop 2 (which should have been) TDs
- Linsley got manhandled today
- Lang played bad
- I'm tired of reading/hearing about play calling. Play calls aren't going to make the O-Line block better or have the WRs catching passes or even have Rodgers make much better passes.
- I have NO CLUE what the problem is with the offense, but I do know that it's much more than play calls. It has to be.
- ??? Maybe the majority of the offense secretly too injured to play close to their potential? I don't know.

I did not see this coming. 2 weeks in a row that the offense got me anxious late into the game only to disappoint. I'm not used to this. Am I expecting too much from this team?

November 15, 2015 at 05:54 pm

Today's loss first starts with Rodgers. I place 60% of the loss on him. Next the WRs. Probably 25%. I place 10% on the offensive coaches. 5% on the special teams.

In this game most of the blame goes on the players. To many dropped balls, inaccurate throws, missed assignments.
I will say this though about the coaches. Why did it take till the 4th quarter or whenever to start using 4 WR sets? I don't recall seeing 4 WRs used until their TD drive. Let's face it. Packers are not good enough to go 3 WRs 1 TE this year and win consistently. When are the coaches going to see that and change it up. When they do it works. That set worked when Finley was our TE. Rodgers is not Finley. Time the coaches realize that.

November 15, 2015 at 06:08 pm

But what's the difference between this game and the other 2 losses?

Formations don't really matter in this case because we have evidence of WRs doing their job (as far as making themselves available for the QB), but they just weren't finishing. Yes, the 4 WR set worked at times, but If the 3 WR 1 TE set worked in design, but the WRs dropped passes or the QB didn't deliver a catchable pass -- how can you call that a failure on the set?

I think the Pack can run the 3 WR 1TE set successfully, but I don't know if R.Rodgers is the best option to be that TE. Gotta work with what ya got. Quarless brings the speed needed. If you stop running that formation all together you begin to limit your offense.

If you want to get on the coaches for anything - get on them for personnel management (as far as who plays. Not the sets being run). I can agree with you on that.

November 15, 2015 at 06:47 pm

I'm not saying stop running that formation. Just that they need to use more formations and different looks more often. Why run 90% or whatever of your offense out of that personnel group if our not getting anything good out of it. Run it yes. Run it as often as they do, no.

November 15, 2015 at 07:03 pm

I can agree with that

November 15, 2015 at 07:35 pm

That's basically what my point has been the last few weeks. Might come across differently, but essentially that is what I've been trying to say.

November 15, 2015 at 04:30 pm

STOP WASTING TIMEOUTS.

November 15, 2015 at 04:30 pm

My Packers shirt today has this on the back:

GB: The Good

Min: The Bad

Chi: The Ugly

The Lions aren't even on the shirt!

thebeast431

November 15, 2015 at 04:39 pm

I keep getting told that the play calling isn't the issue. But whenever I see McCarthy with the clipboard, our offense clicks. Whether its a prevent defense, or not, it clicks.

3 quarters of predictable play calls (wait no, 3 games of predictable play calling) Then when the clipboard is passed the 2014 GBP team shows up.

Welcome back Joe Philbin (2016)

November 15, 2015 at 11:44 pm

When bonehead mike called the plays he had a healthy nelson, an in shape grinder in Lacy, tight ends who could run and block. The new guy is working with what he has !

thebeast431

November 15, 2015 at 04:40 pm

I hope Quarless and Montgomery change our dynamic.

November 15, 2015 at 05:46 pm

We're in trouble if we're counting on Quarless to change our dynamic. But according to his position coach, he's the fastest TE we have. We're in trouble.

November 15, 2015 at 09:32 pm

When James Starks is your offensive mvp to this point, you are in trouble.

Point-Packer

November 15, 2015 at 04:42 pm

Great predictions by all those Packer "experts" on this site.

November 15, 2015 at 04:43 pm

But who didn't predict a Packers bounce back win?

November 15, 2015 at 11:48 pm

Not me. I was the only member of the pool to pick the Lions. Reason. Our pass defense is horrid. So is the Lions so his was a toss up if you can believe it. In the end I was wrong. The packers beat themselves.

packsmack

November 15, 2015 at 04:59 pm

I think they'll be handing out full refunds on Tuesday. Gotta wait til this week is in the books, obviously.

November 15, 2015 at 09:01 pm

And I'm sure you can show us your Packers loss prediction?

November 16, 2015 at 04:16 am

Al, let him be. It is always easy to be General after the battle... Nobody predicts Lions win. Bookies put +10 points on Packers side. It should be easy game. Also, who predicts Chiefs to win in Denver? Manning is benched! QB rating 0! And we destroyed Chiefs.
This week was filled with surprises. I would like Packers are not the part of that surprises, but, as Idiot fans wrote, when you are at the bottom, you can go only in one direction - up!

November 15, 2015 at 04:42 pm

Oh yea, that damn punter has to go. They don't really practice or run plays do they? You can plug n play punters. Get Masthay outta here

Samson

November 15, 2015 at 04:42 pm

If you're going to play this dreadful, now is the best time of the season to do it. The Pack have 7 games to get better. --- Getting into the playoffs is still the goal.

November 15, 2015 at 04:43 pm

Well, I was going to post some thoughts, realizing that I might be called a buzzkill, but these comments are way more downbeat than I am. I thought we would win ugly, but no cigar.

If Aaron was a WR, I would say he has alligator arms. He threw too quickly even when he had time. He made some great plays. Most of the successful plays were individuals playing great, rather than success coming from any structure.

packersbrewers

November 15, 2015 at 04:44 pm

Listening to this Mike's press conference is frustrating. I don't agree that he should come out and cuss out the team to the media, but it'd be nice to hear him act like this team has to do something different.

He doesn't think they should over react. Which ok that's fine. I'm not asking for him to fire everybody but this team is so out of sync. You have to do something though because this team has totally fallen apart and it starts with him. Whatever he is doing isn't working and while overreacting is not necessary you do have to react.

Changes have to be made or this slide will continue.

November 15, 2015 at 04:46 pm

Someone has to be fired , Mcarthy, Capers , the water boy, the ball boy , someone has to go , that's how you send a message . It's going to get worse , next week a loss to the Vikings and then a loss on thanksgiving to the hot Bears . No drafting a inside linebacker or tight end early , Ted Thompson is to blame as well .

shinglesmcfanny

November 15, 2015 at 04:47 pm

Offense: I like abby, but he is too frail. When they finally brought in Janis it was too little to late. He should get more playing time. They need something to change so why not take shots down the field with Janis.

Play calling is soooo predictable. If i can figure out the plays on my couch then im sure an actual DC sees them too.

Defense: played OK not great. No sacks and we held in check a very inept Lions offense. Nate Palmer is NOT the answer. What happened to bringing in Jake Ryan??? Very little Jayrone Elliott as well.

Special Teams: biggest disappointment of all three phases... Ron Zook may be in trouble after this one.

Overall: predictability, drops and some brain farts by QB1 really set the tone of this game. The defense has shown it can be somewhat effective against a below average team.

Positives: I really like Aaron Ripkowski! I would like to see him used more. Justin Perillo has got some hands. Great game for him. Abby showed promise. Hopefully his injury isnt to serious. Clinton Dix played very strong and had an awesome interception. Randall gets better every game as well. Don Barclay and Josh Walker actually played well in relief duty.

Lets hope the Packers try to get their act together.

FITZCORE1252

November 15, 2015 at 04:59 pm

Bright spot: it looks like we've got a stud in Randall... that's all I got.

November 16, 2015 at 04:21 am

And Aaron! Ripkowski... And Abby, and Perillo, and Ty, and Rollins, Randall, Jake Ryan is somewhere there... Good players, very good players...

November 15, 2015 at 05:02 pm

Players only meeting?

Maybe?

Or, of course not. They don't care enough?

November 15, 2015 at 05:02 pm

There are more important things going on in our lives and around the world , it's only a game played by millionaires but for us it's a break from everything else for 3 / 5 hours a week , so when our teams lets us down it hurts. Especially when your team is the Green Bay Packers . With Aaron Rodgers who some call the best player in the NFL .

November 16, 2015 at 04:25 am

I do not like Tom Brady, but I have to admit, he is 2 steps better than Aaron Rodgers. I like Aaron, but he has some serious psychological problems. He plays tensed. Maybe to sent him message: R-E-L-A-X

701Packer

November 15, 2015 at 05:08 pm

Can't say I've ever been afraid of a potential shitstomping from Minnesota, but I am now.

November 15, 2015 at 08:42 pm

You obviously weren't around in the 80s.

701Packer

November 15, 2015 at 09:00 pm

I meant recently, as in favre-rodgers era. My bad.

Evan

November 15, 2015 at 09:00 pm

Or the late 90s. Moss and Culpepper/Cunningham terrified me.

tobinrote

November 15, 2015 at 05:10 pm

not much to add but i need to vent, but the woman way up the message line hit it when she remarked that there must be a deep lost of confidence, in AR, but all across the board running quite deep. either that, or what i think is we are merely a mediocre team at best. AR playing at top form could disguise a lot of weaknesses, now he is playing poorly, and poorly is the word. and then the D which did alright against a weak O today, screws up two big plays: cannot finish nailing stafford and he escapes and hits Megatron, and cannot tackle Tate when the game was on the line. and then there is the new crosby who just cannot hit when the game depends on it. choked.

jim zilke

November 15, 2015 at 05:10 pm

THIS WAS BY FAR THE WORST OFFENSIVE SHOWING OF THE SEASON. RODGERS DOESNT EVEN LOOK LIKE HIMSELF WHEN HE TROWS, THE O LINE LOOKS HORRIBALE, AND THE SLOW RECIEVERS DROP THE BALLS THAT FINALLY DO MAKE IT TO THEM. I NEVER THOUGHT ONE PLAYER COULD MAKE A DIFFERANCE, JORDY, BUT I GUESS IT DOES. NEED TO GO BACK TO LAST SEASONS PLAY CALLER , MC, JUST TO RULE THAT PROBLEM OUT. AS DISAPPOINTED AS I AM, I'LL STILL BE A PACKER FAN FOREVER. GO PACK GO

November 15, 2015 at 05:15 pm

So, Rodgers isn't playing good...
The O-Line looks horrible...
The WRs are slow...
The WRs are dropping passes...

Calling different plays resolves this -- how?

November 15, 2015 at 11:31 pm

Deeper than play calling. Its schemes and preparation. Play calling comes out of advance schemes and tactics which are decided the week before the game.
Notice how the first series was actually quite effective; quick passes, screens. Such tactical variation would have changed the performance at Denver and Carolina.

November 16, 2015 at 01:46 pm

Don't know who's down voting your comments, but I happen to be in total agreement with this. I did a film study on the lack of diversity in the game plan during Denver and Carolina. Only in the second half against Carolina did they make some adjustments. In this game they made an adjustment after the first series - a very bad one to go back to what hadn't been working previously.

MarkinMadison

November 15, 2015 at 05:14 pm

Okay, okay, LP we get it. But seriously, firing coaches mid-season is for losers. Tell me the last time a team fired their coach and went on to the Super Bowl that season, or even the playoffs. It just doesn't happen.

#12 has to quit thinking too hard, and just throw the damn ball. Maybe he's got too much freedom and he's choking on it right now. I don't know. Simplify it for him. I got nothing, but who knows, stopped clock and all that... But I think it starts and ends with #12. #BlameOliviaMunn. Just kidding. Let's not turn into Cowboys fans here people.

Idiot Fan

November 15, 2015 at 07:12 pm

Actually, the Ravens fired their OC late in the season and then went on to win the Super Bowl. But I totally agree with you. I actually think that firing coaches in general is for losers. The lesser franchises are always overreacting and firing everybody. Ok, the Super Bowl win was five years ago, but this team was a defended onside kick away from the Super Bowl in this calendar year.

November 16, 2015 at 04:28 am

Well Lions fired 5 or 6 coaches and front office personnel. They won! Does not looks like losers to me yesterday...

MarkinMadison

November 15, 2015 at 05:14 pm

MarkinMadison

November 15, 2015 at 05:14 pm

November 15, 2015 at 05:24 pm

You know what's funny (well, not really)? I had a friend tell me that elite athletes with girlfriends always have a bad season in a year or 2 within the relationship. I,of course, didn't believe him and sent a braggadocios e-mail while we were 6-0 asking him about his girlfriend theory. I'm starting to think otherwise...

KenEllis

November 15, 2015 at 11:56 pm

"Tell me the last time a team fired their coach and went on to the Super Bowl that season, or even the playoffs. It just doesn't happen."

Yes, it does happen. Baltimore fired its OC in early December of 2012 and won the Super Bowl 2 months later.

But we'll keep Dom well past his sell by date just like we did with Slocum. I mean, it's not like McCarthy's buddy cost us a trip to the Super Bowl or anything with his putrid special teams, right?

November 15, 2015 at 05:16 pm

Stop Wasting Time Outs!

November 15, 2015 at 08:27 pm

Why stop now. It's working so well for us...

Pack12

November 15, 2015 at 05:23 pm

This team has hit a new low point by losing to the Lions. Did somebody kidnap Aaron Rodgers and put a look alike in jersey #12?. How long before McCarthy starts calling plays again? But look at the bright side (sarcasm), Ted Thompson will have better draft picks.

November 15, 2015 at 05:34 pm

The good news; because of their win the Lions have vaulted from the undisputed lead for the number one pick to a tie with five other teams. Losers that they are the Lions couldn't even tank the rest of the season.

The bad news; the Bears are only two games behind and could conceivably be playing to tie GB on Thanksgiving.

November 15, 2015 at 11:54 pm

Ya and you know I'm very impressed with a team this is understandably in rebuild mode. They kicked the rams ass today it was no fluke. With 10 draft picks next year the rebuild will be complete and they will be a top competitor. The packers reign ends next week when the bikes win and take ove the division. Expect a line ride for them Bing able to have a good mix of youth and experience and loads of skill players.

Free agent

November 15, 2015 at 05:41 pm

Rodgers seems discouraged and doesn't trust his receivers in tight coverage. He needs a shot in the arm, why not bring back Joe Philbin.

Michael David

November 15, 2015 at 05:41 pm

This loss had me flashing back to 2009 where we were upset by the 0-8 Buccaneers. This has been a brutal three-week stretch and the Packers should be embarrassed with how they have played. But as much as I dislike the way this team has played right now, I still believe in the organization and the core players they have invested in. As bad as they look now, they have overcome worse obstacles in the past than being 6-3 but on a three-game losing streak. I still believe this is a mature locker room with intelligent people at the helm and football players who believe in the system. 6 years of playoffs and consistent success, combined with a Super Bowl victory, outweighs three bad games. They have problems, and I have serious doubts they are going all the way this year, but I am not writing this team off until they have officially been eliminated from contention. They have overcome worse, and the key pieces who have been there through those tough times are still here today. Its okay to be concerned, frustrated, and angry, but its also okay to keep the faith in what is still a good football team at its core.

November 15, 2015 at 06:06 pm

You're dillusional

Michael David

November 15, 2015 at 06:11 pm

Not really. I know it looks bad now, but there is plenty of time for this team to turn it around, and there have been more hopeless situations before. I am definitely not very confident in their ability to make much of a run at this point; all I am saying that it is possible, and it is too early to write this team off.

November 15, 2015 at 07:08 pm

Ok, you are very optimistic then

Michael David

November 15, 2015 at 07:19 pm

Yea...cautiously optimistic. If I were the fan of a more hopeless team, I would probably be packing it in at this point. But the Packers have been so consistently good for as long as Rodgers and McCarthy have been running the show (and they've turned it around several seemingly hopeless situations before) that I still have some faith that they can right the ship. We shall see though.

November 15, 2015 at 05:41 pm

Despite playing like crap the entire game and with a chance to completely steal one - Mason Crosby flat out choked. At least get it near the goal posts.

Free agent

November 15, 2015 at 05:47 pm

Rodgers seems discouraged and doesn't trust his receivers in tight coverage. He needs a shot in the arm, why not bring back Joe Philbin.

November 15, 2015 at 06:12 pm

Why???

Is Joe Philbin going to assure Rodgers that making those tight passes to WRs is worth it?

November 15, 2015 at 05:52 pm

Jordy - team MVP

November 15, 2015 at 05:53 pm

That's the first time I WISH the kick was blocked.

November 15, 2015 at 06:08 pm

This is at best 9 and 7 team. We need to reset expectations and get used to lising. I am an idiot for buying inti the hype. This team just doesn't have the talent. Reality is setting in

November 15, 2015 at 11:38 pm

MRJ007
A lot of us saw fundamentally poorly prepared and coached team beginning w game 1. Despite wins, we saw mounting evidence of flawed leadership. The talent is there.
Many good managers/leaders/coaches eventually lose their ability to stay ahead of the tactical and preparatory elements of management.
Just B/c MM was a play away from going to superbowl doesn't mean he is capable of leading in the future. That "one-play-away' notion masks a lot of other poor preparation that is evident of a MM coached team.
I'm not calling for MM's head (yet). But he is more capable than any one person for turning this around. Leadership matters.

November 15, 2015 at 06:13 pm

Stop wasting timeouts.

NickPerry

November 15, 2015 at 06:22 pm

The bottom line is this is just not that talented of a team. Rodgers was always able to cover up all the issues this team has and now he's been unable to. There's not going to be a SHhhh, or a R-E-L-A-X this year because it's clear Rodgers knows it too.

The WR Group is the slowest in the NFL and can't get open. The O-Line is so bad when our slow WR do get open Rodgers either over throws them, throws in the dirt, or the receivers drop the ball. Our running back has basically ate himself out of a job and might be better suited for the OL in another year.

Ted Thompson has not done enough to stock the Cupboards. Let's take off out "In Ted We Trust" T-Shirts and buy "What have you done for me lately" T-Shirts. How much longer do Teddy and Mike get a pass because they won a SB 5 years ago!! McCarthy has completely lost this team and has a bunch of assistant coaches who are in WAY over their heads. If you have a Draft and Develop approach you better have the coaches to coach them up and the Packers don't.

Next week is Minnesota and could be the beginning of the end. McCarthy had better take the play calling back or they might not win again. Even then I'd have a lot of doubts. I was accused of "Going on a Rant" a few weeks back but it sure appears I wasn't to far off. I really believe it's just time for change. NO WAY should Rodgers only have one SB but he does and it's not any closer, it's father than it has been for years.

November 15, 2015 at 08:47 pm

I agree with you about one thing: The assistant coaches are in over their heads. BUT to say the team has no talent is ridiculous. This is basically the SAME team that went to the NFC CG last year - and should have won that game. The OL was dominant at many points over the past 2 years. The secondary has all the tools to be great. Ditto the RBs.

I think this is a simple case of the entire team spitting the bit at the same time.

NewNikeShoes

November 15, 2015 at 09:38 pm

This team is insanely talented, still gonna stand by that.
IMO, this the most talented team in the NFC, maybe even the NFL.
We got depth, skill players, everything.

I dunno what the hell is going in that locker room. A-Rod is a shell of his former self, playing without a soul or heart, till the time when they know they're gonna lose. That lack of heart is shown in the entire team, cept D. Adams, who's legit tearing it up. TBH, if Adams wasn't here the last 2 weeks, we'd have been blown out.

I counted 18 pass-plays where the entire O could have scored, had someone open, or could have gotten a big gain. Thats F---ing sad.

We don't need talent, we have enough of that.
We need heart, and someone's gotta find it.

November 15, 2015 at 11:42 pm

Nick Perry
Leadership; preparation, tactical schemes. It matters.
MM has failed.
A good coach makes individuals perform far better than their individual talents. It is clear everyone is underperforming across all units and position groups. Thus it is clearly a management failure. Totally obvious.

November 16, 2015 at 04:41 am

Yea, TT did not do enough aquiring of talents for Packers: 1. Randall, 2. Rollins, 3. Ty, 4. Jake Ryan, 5. Hundley, 6. Ripkowski, 7. Ha-Ha, 8. Jared Abbrederis, 9. Richard Rodgers, 10. Justin Perillo, etc...

His only mistake, by my opinion was getting back James Jones. As season will continue he will be less and less contributor... And all will learn why he was cut by Riders and Giants!

So, please do not spit on any person if you do not have arguments!

NickPerry

November 16, 2015 at 06:17 am

The Packers ave had 46 draft picks since 2011. 18 of those picks aren't with the team including a 1st, 2nd, couple of 3rds and several 4th round picks. That's bad for a "Draft and Develop" only team isn't it? It sure isn't great. The only player that I would consider a home run is Cobb but he's OBVIOUSLY just a Robin and needs his Batman. By no means is he a Number one WR.

LMOA..James Jones is one of the only reasons this team made it to 6-0 in the first place!!! He leads the team with over 20 YPC and 6 TD's! What part of that is a mistake!!!! Jones was being covered by the Lions best Cover CB and Cobb and Adams still couldn't win against Practice Squad players!

Of every player you mentioned above you have no idea what will happen with their career's. Randell is really playing well but so did Hayward his first year, now Hayward couldn't cover Grandma.

Before accusing someone of not having an arguement perhaps you should do more than just list some names and call the Raiders the Riders. BTW..I love the Packers but I'm tired of watching Rodgers not having the team around him to win while we have him.

November 16, 2015 at 09:07 am

Oh, I would like to hear from you how many 1st, 2nd and 3rd draft rounders are still with other teams in the League, in the mentioned span, teams that drafted bellow 20 in the order. Also, I would like to know how many of those players who are not with the team any more suffered heavy injuries and either did not achieve the level we expected from them after that injuries, or just have to stop playing because of the injuries (last two - Finley and Franklin). Also, put in the equation salary cap issue and you wilol have argument. Just giving the numbers as you did, that numbers means nothing. Also, I would like to know how many teams have better seasons than Packers in that time frame, or better records. I know for one or two (Patriots, Giants - Giants just because of 2 SB wins). Who is the HC who has one of the best winning record trailling just Bill Belichick, but he did not cheat in that span you are talking about! So, where are those arguments now?

LASVEGAS-TOM

November 16, 2015 at 10:40 pm

Nick Perry, WOW!! Someone"s actually been watching the same game's I've been watching.

Nick, I couldn't have said it better myself. I take my hat off to you. LVT

Mags

November 15, 2015 at 06:20 pm

Ted's relying on the draft to build the team went well for awhile when he had good drafts but lately he is having more misses and its finally catching up to him. To be so stuck in his ways and not doing everything in his means to help Rodgers during his prime years via even a few mid level free agents at obvious positions of need is ridiculous.

packersbrewers

November 15, 2015 at 07:20 pm

That's actually a fair point. TT will not bring in free agents in 99 out of 100 opportunities and as a result he has to hit on his draft selections.

These are TT's draft picks from 2014, 2013, and 2012. I figured this year's class of players are still rookies and it may be unfair to judge them yet.

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
Davante Adams
Khyri Thorton
Richard Rodgers
Carl Bradford
Corey Linsley
Jared Abbrederis
Dementri Goodson
Jeff Janis
Datone Jones
Eddie Lacy
David Bakhtiari
JC Tretter
Johnathan Franklin
Micah Hyde
Josh Boyd
Nate Palmer
Charles Johnson
Kevin Dorsey
Sam Barrington
Nick perry
Jerel Worthy
Casey Hayward
Mike Daniels
Jerron McMillian
Terrell Manning
Andrew Datko
BJ Coleman

There are some decent players on that list, but I think the list also showcases why we are in the situation we are in right now.

I think Ted misses too often on some skilled positions that we are in desperate need of like LB, TE, and DL. Outside of Clay has he drafted a play making LB? We need a cover LB in the worst way possible and we seem to get place fillers instead. Where is our outside linebacker who can rush the passer? We had to insert Clay inside to fill that void but it left us without a pass rusher on the outside. We brought in Peppers but he is starting to play like a 35 year old. He drafted J-Mike who got injured so that's not his fault but again who else has he drafted at the TE position to be a weapon for us running up the middle of the field? Richard Rodgers has good hands but lacks everything else.

He was pretty successful with WR in the past but these last few draft classes have started to be more suspect with the WR group. None of them can burn defenders and the last couple years none of them can shake defenders either. Clearly without Jordy our receivers aren't respected and they haven't proven they should be.

Our defense is slow and we seem to lack athletic guys who can cover big receivers (Randall seems to be helping out with that somewhat). Who has he drafted on our d-line that can stop the run and rush the passer consistently? Our o-line, which was supposedly the best group Mike's ever had, is allowing Rodgers to peel himself off the grass far too often.

If Ted is going to ignore free agency which is not necessarily a bad thing he's going to have to get some better scouts. We haven't really gotten any difference makers in the draft the last few years and therefore we are sitting with a soft, slow, weak defense and an offense that has been spinning their wheels for weeks on end.

Something has to change for sure.

November 16, 2015 at 12:02 am

My issue is and you touched on it, the word skill players. The Packers only have a couple on this team and one on IR for the season. Think about it for a second. You draft guys in the 5th and 6th rounds plus undrafted with the idea, we will make them better shape them into something along the way. Most first and second rounders are ready to play and contribute right away. By the time Teds guys get to that point, and most never do, they are gone free agency. We got nothing. In addition I think Ted is a bonehead GM. Datone Jones, Nick Perry, jerel worthy, and Clinton did. Is that the best he could do? 25 teams passed on these guys for a reason

November 16, 2015 at 04:46 am

You are pathetic. There is solution for you. As TT is running this team for more than 10 years now, and we can say that we do not see changes in that in near future, for your health pick another team to cheer for,probably the team that is heavy in hiring FA. That will satisfied you and not disturb you. And that team has better GM, I'm sure...

November 15, 2015 at 07:33 pm

Draft - Develop - Lose. REPEAT

badaxed

November 15, 2015 at 07:52 pm

Draft - Develop - Lose. REPEAT

November 16, 2015 at 02:01 pm

Draft - Develop - .... NO, I can't do it...

packersbrewers

November 15, 2015 at 06:30 pm

This team has fallen apart. I don't think the answer is very simple, but logically this team won't make the playoffs playing the way they have been the last 3 weeks.

Rodgers has been off all year but it's become glaring the last few weeks. He's hesitant and inaccurate. Two things he never was before. He's missing throws he used to make and failing to pull the trigger time and time again. He doesn't have confidence in his protection or in his receivers. We are at week 10 and he still hasn't developed any kind of rhythm and sync with this offense and as a result they have no identity.

Losing Jordy hurts alot but you don't go from a top 5 offense to a bottom 5 offense losing one guy. Even a guy like Jordy. Rodgers is a 2 time MVP who won a Super Bowl. He should be able to make average receivers better and for whatever reason he's not this year. Granted we don't have Odell Beckham Jr or Calvin Johnson but we have players who should be able to hold their own especially against a porous defense like Detroit. Play calling doesn't help, poor schemes don't help, dropped balls don't help, but Rodgers is not helping himself either.

This team is a mess right now and it begins with McCarthy. I don't think it's as easy as giving him back play calling duties, but something has to change. This team cannot fall any further backwards and expect to be playing the second Sunday in January.

November 15, 2015 at 08:40 pm

Amen. I am so tired of hearing people say MM needs to take back play calling duties. Clements and MM game plan together. The plays for various down and distance scenarios are all the same called from the same laminated sheet. If MM is not happy with play calling, he would have changed things by now.

Players need to execute. AR must stopping one hopping balls to players. Cobb can't drop a potential TD pass. O line needs to block better. It's that simple.

November 16, 2015 at 05:20 am

That. Simple.

NickPerry

November 16, 2015 at 06:25 am

But don't you think what is called and when is important? Like several have mentioned above I know what is going to be called so I'm sure the opposing defense does too. The players need to execute no doubt but they also need to be put in a position to suceed.

November 16, 2015 at 06:37 pm

To a point...sure. But not to the degree many are making it out to be. What makes you think MM will look at the play sheet and say, 'Eh...I know we set up the game plan together, But I think I'll go off script on this one.'

It's pure fantasy to think the plays called would be different under MM. It's like pouring two two separate cups of soup from the same pot expecting one will taste better than the other. C'mon...

LASVEGAS-TOM

November 15, 2015 at 06:38 pm

I didn't get a chance to see the game. They didn't broadcast it out here, & I didn't feel good enough to go to the casino. I followed the game on the Cheesehead TV blog.

I have 2 things to say. Every other comment on the blog seemed to refer to Poor Officiating at best. Was there any truth to that. Those of you who watched the game, Do you agree with that?

Secondly, IMO Crosby is the reason Favre lost that Championship Game & his job, because of his Missed Field Goal. Maybe if we keep him long enough, he'll cost Rodgers his job at some point.

For the 3rd time, I am saying that the Browns are looking to trade Joe Thomas, if they haven't done it already. If they haven't, does anyone think maybe we should take a look & see what they want? LVT

jmac34

November 15, 2015 at 07:13 pm

1 - the refs were awful but there were a ton of dropped passes
2 - the trading deadline is past so gb isn't getting Thomas even if they wanted to get him

November 15, 2015 at 08:30 pm

That no other team in the league has traded for Thomas should lead one to believe the Browns are asking too much. Surely the Packers isn't the only team who needs O line help.

November 15, 2015 at 06:57 pm

Stop Wasting Time Outs!

stormin

November 15, 2015 at 07:06 pm

Favre never ever had a string of games like this over rated Rodgers has had, even when Thomp
son did not give him any help!

November 16, 2015 at 02:07 pm

Let it go. In a few weeks, you'll officially have your Favre back in the family...

November 15, 2015 at 07:17 pm

Now we have to listen to Skip Bayless trash Rodgers all week. Aargh

November 15, 2015 at 08:55 pm

No. You don't. Just tune out. The noise isn't worth it even when they're winning. Everything with the national media is OVER HYPED.

November 16, 2015 at 05:04 pm

Thanks for bringing me back to earth. Tough week.

November 15, 2015 at 07:24 pm

its going to be an ugly November, no wins, like someone said early, Ted Thompson's refusal to bring in any veteran help at linebacker and tight end to take the pressure off the rookies is behind this as well. we vent here but when all is said and done how are we going to feel after next week when the Vikings beat down on the Packers, believe me that bad feeling you have now will be a lot worse next week. so start preparing yourselves now.

November 15, 2015 at 08:24 pm

Who would you bring in? What TE or LB free agent is better than what we have now?

Bohj

November 15, 2015 at 09:10 pm

- Hahahaha. People are funny about football. It's OK. The product sucks right now. Might suck for awhile. So high we are as Packer fans. We're infallible. We have Rodgers....blah blah blah. It's football. It ebbs and flows.
- Dominant teams of recent years: 9ers....suck. Seahawks... Avg.....Baltimore... Suck......Colts...suck.
- Stuff isn't clicking. It happens. Lots of blame to be passed around. So what? They right the ship or they don't. But jebus. Fans sound like whiney bitches. Just accept defeat every now and then.
- Last comment for good humor: If you ask me.....it's that damn Ditka curse. Ever since he put that Packer sweater on...we're jinxed. Haven't won a game since.

November 16, 2015 at 04:51 am

I'm with you. We are cursed! ~~~~

November 15, 2015 at 09:16 pm

This team flat out sucks across the board right now. And it should NOT be happening. If they don't figure it out and win the division, heads will (and should) roll. Coaches and players. And maybe scouting staff.

Frozn_Tundra

November 15, 2015 at 09:30 pm

Have the players lost faith in MM and this coaching staff? One could make the argument. How can you explain such a sustained and complete meltdown? No discipline, lack of focus and concentration. Was in fact, the loss in Seattle a bigger deal than we thought in terms of the psyche of this team. Is MM message losing its luster?

Fighting on the sidelines, this happens in Dallas, not GB. AR constantly looking frustrated, he is the leader. Do others see/sense his frustration and follow suit?

Finally, talent wise.... Have we lost too much talent in the scouting operation over the last several years? Is this having an impact on success in the draft?

November 16, 2015 at 04:53 am

"Finally, talent wise.... Have we lost too much talent in the scouting operation over the last several years? Is this having an impact on success in the draft?"

No, this year was one of the best draft class we knew... There was 6 hits of the players who can contribute immediatelly...

November 15, 2015 at 09:36 pm

I think the nfl has figured out MM and 12, simple as that.

November 15, 2015 at 09:47 pm

chugwater they had since the off season to bring in an experienced inside linebacker as well as a few tight ends that were available just to bring in veteran leadership at those positions, most wont admit it but AJ Hawk would probably be an upgrade to what we have now. draft and develop is great as Rodgers gets older.

Free agent

November 15, 2015 at 09:50 pm

Like to see TT put on a Viking sweater, tonight!

Since'61

November 15, 2015 at 09:54 pm

Very disappointing and frustrating loss today. The defense plays great until the offense gets going and then goes back to missing tackles and leaving receivers wide open. Then we score a TD and we can't complete the 2 pt. conversion for the tie. But we recover the onside kick. Then Crosby totally chokes on the game winning FG. The end of this game was like the end of the Seattle game. Everything went wrong again. The big difference is that this game was at Lambeau against the 1-7 Lions. I've been watching sports a long time so I know that anything can happen but there is no excuse for this loss and no reason that it should have been close at the end. I also know that it is too soon to give up on this team or this season. I'm not sure what can be done but MM and his coaches need to figure it out and get it fixed, especially whatever is up with Aaron Rodgers. Go Pack! Thanks, Since '61

November 16, 2015 at 04:56 am

You wrote all correct, but the truth is I think there is one big problem with Packers players. They think they are better than others. They might be, but only if they play his butts out of them... And they are not doing that!

November 16, 2015 at 05:58 pm

The defense plays great? They can rarely get a three an out. They've giving up a record 1475 yards in last three games prior to yesterday. That is almost a league record and its a packer record for sure.

There is zero pass rush. Linebacking is non existant. Pass defense with a guya named Goodson, Hyde, Burnett. Those guys couldn't play back up on any other team.

Dix isn't much better and Randall has a lot to learn.

Icebowler

November 15, 2015 at 10:10 pm

It's Adam's fault for that "never mind" about one reason they might not.

bratwursted

November 15, 2015 at 10:18 pm

Low point of the season for sure, but a rally is still possible and 13-3 probably gets you a bye in the playoffs. But they have to have a "come to Jesus" moment where QB1 and MM decide they need to do something different. Opposing DCs are just going to play man-to-man with two high safeties until the Packers start proving them wrong by running screens, delays and trap runs. Maybe I'm wrong, but they have the talent to do that. Counting on these green and gold glasses and plenty of booze to get me through the rest of this season. Go Pack, Go!

November 15, 2015 at 10:38 pm

I told you all since the bears game, that this team was not coached well, but too many fans were blinded by a win to see the core fundamental faults. MM imposes a straightjacket approach, DC can't prepare his unit to perform his schemes, and TT is also rigid in finding FA. It was obvious after game 4 that management (coaches) are root of multiple ways GB performs poorly on game day.
Glad the field goal attempt turned out a miss...because fools need a debacle to sometimes see.
Management never had the team adequately prepared for any game this year, except seattle and rarely could adjust mid-game to what opponent was doing, and would have lost 3 other games had there been more time on clocks.
Its ignorant to single out isolated problems. This team is never adequately prepared and appropriately schemed. The management team (MM, DC and TT) are inadequate and root of problem since game 1. Totally obvious.

November 15, 2015 at 10:58 pm

C/ATT - 5/20, YDS - 35, AVG - 1.8, TD - 0, INT - 4, SACKS - 2-9, QBR - 0.1, RTG - 0.0

The above represents Peyton Mannings stats today.
He and his team destroyed us.

Add another dreadful beating against Carolina and today's loss at home to a team playing out the season.

That's why many fans are despondent. It's not so much that we lost three in row - but how we've done it.

Still expect GB to make the playoffs. There's time to get things together, but something about this last stretch of losses feels different than past years slumps. Maybe it's because I haven't seen #12 in this kind of funk before. And as ARod goes, this team goes.

10 digits

November 15, 2015 at 11:17 pm

Packer fans are pretty down today, but on a positive note, I argue that we should be thankful for a 24 year domination of our division rivals on our home turf. The last time Detroit won at Lambeau Field was 1991. That year Terminator 2: Judgement day was the top draw at the box office, Bette Midler was singing "From a Distance", Brett Favre was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons, "SCUD" missles were still being fired in Iraq, Exxon agreed to pay $1 billion for the clean-up of the Exxon Valdez oil spill in Alaska, Jeffery Dahmer was arrested, and Mikhail Gorbachev was still in power. If I went back and told my 20-year-old self that the Detroit Lions wouldn't win in Green Bay until I was 44 years old, I would make my younger self pretty damned happy, especially since the Packers were 4-12 in 1991. It's all about perspective. Proud Packers fan for life. GO PACK GO!

ray nichkee

November 16, 2015 at 03:45 am

So true man. I saw the lions coming to play. I just wish the packers did. The lions were a playoff team last year. I didn't automatically put a mark in the win column because the were 1-7.