drew brees owns us??? like on september 8, 2011 when we beat the saints 42-34 and on september 30, 2012 when we beat them 28-27. is that what you mean?

i wouldn't say that. the first half was very even with both offenses rolling and both defenses giving up a massive amount of yards. the wheels came off when rodgers tweaked his hammy. it's like the entire team just gave up after his injury.

Glass half empty:
- Wth bulaga. Are you still injured?
- Convert on 1st and goal please.
- 7.4 yards per carry. Run d still needs work.
Like......a ton of work.
- No going for it in our territory. Not ever with a QB that will make you pay. So upset at that.
- There weren't a ton of excuses like injuries and flags that you can throw at this one.........they beat us. By three tuddys. That's legit.

Glass half full:
- The league is wierd. Panthers who we spanked made the seahawks look pedestrian. Apparently rothlisburger is in Superbowl form? Arizona leading that division? Oh....and Brady has lost something. And so has manning. And so has brees. Only.......not.
- This is the least amount of injuries we've had at the halfway point by far in forever.
- I kinda like that we were humbled a bit. Make us work harder for the second half.
- Rookies making rookie mistakes. Haha linsley and Adams all had their share. Better now than when we're making our postseason run.
- Saints. Really gonna doubt them for the whole season? So many picked them to win the Superbowl before season start.
- One of the losses I chalked up before the season. Just thought we would be more competitive. Even predicted a win before this game off of last four game high. Humble pie is good for this team.
- Thankyou bye.
- I figured three losses by now. Totally OK with it. Still room to grow.
- Go pack

Bye week is well timed. My liver thanks the NFL schedule makers.

I didnt mind the Peppers being on offense, but shouldve left him in the backfield. On-side kick in the first half, not surprising that he did that, but turned out to be another unnecessary gamble. Those two calls were early enough that you could recover, if they dont work out (and of course didnt). But, going for it on 4th down, was the biggest mistake. On your side of the 50, and still in the 3rd quarter. Reckless call. Simply punt it away, and give your defense a chance on THEIR side of the field, minimum at their 20 Make them drive 80 yards. You hadnt stopped them all game. And you are giving them a short field? Again, its MM out-thinking himself, and trying to make things happen. Patience, MM. Stay the course.

I was all for trying Peppers at TE, but don't get him started on his first play in a clutch situation like that.

Where was that bullshit last week when we were up by 30? Get him some reps man, he obviously was too tense to catch the ball comfortably there.

you suck skippy. Comparing you to skip bayless is an insult to skip bayless.

"I'm not a fire Capers person, but something's not working. Minimal pass rush. Wide open running lanes and receivers open in the flats all night long. I've seen this too often over the past few years."
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We've all seen it too much over the last few years. But not so much this year, aside from tonight and the season opener.

This defense is better than the last few years, IMO. To be sure, it didn't show up so much last night. But even on a horrible night with no pressure and pass lanes galore, they held the Saints out of the end zone in the first half (mostly), which gave the offense a chance to make the game go differently. The offense could not convert their own red zone chances against a pretty porous defense in their own right.

I guess I'm saying the last 5 weeks have given the defense a little slack, in my book. I think they'll regroup, get healthy and play much better.

Definitely seemed that Mike was playing scared. Again.

The D had a bad game, no doubt about it. But we had a lot of little things go wrong at exactly the wrong times, whereas they didnt. Their receiver pops the ball up in the air, and it falls into his arms on the ground, ours does the same thing (twice) and it ends up as INT. Adams gets called for OPI, Graham does not. Costly penalties in the red zone kill drives. Hoch does a BS spot review. Hoch does a hideous DPI call for 40+ yards. It all added up and the game got out of hand.

All year I've been concerned about the run D, and I definitely still am. Otherwise, I don't think there's anything new to freak out about. Except maybe injuries.

I think it's important to keep things in perspective. This game only counts as a single loss ina 16 game schedule. We'll be ok guys! Rodgers was visibly uncomfortable after that run. Sometimes, you sacrifice the battle to win the war. The ultimate goal is to get into the playoffs healthy, ready to make a deep playoff run. I really wanted Rodgers pulled right after he pulled up limp. It would have been awesome to win this game, but not at the price of putting Rodgers in a compromising position. The Saints got us today, but we shot ourselves in the foot multiple times. We're a talented team that still has as good a shot as any team to bring home the Lombardi when healthy. GPG!

If Lang is out for awhile, I wouldn't hesitate putting Tretter in at guard. Taylor was awful. In time, Tretter will be one of our best o-lineman.

The performance of the D makes it impossible to put a positive spin on this game. NO had 495 yards. These type of games have occurred far to often in recent years to think the D has turned a corner. And it's not the Brees type QB's, but the run-option Qb's too. Teams move down the field way to easily against this team. We've made mediocre RB's seem like all pros. Tired of it.

> It never sits well with me when the Packers get pushed around, and tonight they were manhandled. Paging Mike Daniels.
> Zero pass rush. You give Brees all day, you lose.
> Zero run defense. Again, manhandled.
> Bad game for Bahktiari. A couple tough penalties and a lot of getting beat.
> Richard Rodgers made some grabs but I still miss Finley.
> Great game from Eddie Lacy. Did not go down easy.
> Lacy's contributions came via the pass, in space. Packers still can't impose will in the run game. Especially inside the 10.
> Rest up, a desperate Chicago team in 2 weeks who will be playing for their lives.

I've written a couple of times that if Tretter can back up at guard, then maybe we can jettison the flotsam that is Lane Taylor and Gerhart. Actually, Taylor played better than I thought he would. His pass pro wasn't terrible.

I have to agree that House and Tramon had rough nights, but really, only 3 QB hits and 2 sacks on Brees is insufficient. Brees had all day. (Rodgers had good protection for the most part). And with NO's backs averaging 7.2 yards, it is not surprising if the LBs and secondary bit on too many play actions (that is hard to see just watching on TV). I am not surprised that the run D was bad, but I did think GB would get consistent pressure on Brees. Looked like NO was ready for the Nascar defense.

I'm not surprised they lost. Going into the SuperDome and winning is not easy. Teams have to be pretty flawless to go in and win and the Packers weren't.

I really think what killed the defense last night was playing without 3 starters. Jones, Shields, and Burnett. I'm not sure which hurt worse between Shields or Burnett, but the way Burnett has played and how the defense got ran on, I would say losing Burnett was a bigger loss. And are we overrating Hyde? Is he a role player only?

The 2 injuries that changed the game though were to Rodgers and Lang.

The refs did the Packers no favors. I won't say they cost the Packers the game, but there was a number of missed calls and wrong calls. 2 penalties that could have changed the outlook is the PI on Adams, and the PI on House. Both IMO were horrible calls. Also how many times was our pass rushers being held?

The scheduling gods are doing us a favor this year again. The bye week couldn't have come at a better time.

Believe it or not the sky is not falling. The Saints are very tough at home just like the Seahawks. I have seen them make both Brady and Manning look pretty bad in New Orleans. What I am concern about is McCarthy's game calling. Onside kicks and overall desperate play calling. The good news is that the bye week is here which will help get a lot of players healthy. The other good news is that both the Saints and the Seahawks will probably not have home field advantage in the playoffs. If the Packers do play them again it will be at Lambeau Field.

No reason to push the panic button at all. Just the way the league is. There are no dominate teams and it will all come down to who gets hot in December & January. We have known for a long time that the defense can be spotty and has a huge hole at ILB. The better OCs and QBs will take advantage of our weaknesses and Capers "schemes" to try to cover those weaknesses. If we get most everybody back after the bye we'll be fine. Just have to get on a roll at the right time and we have a shot.

Not being able to tackle showed up again.

House

HHCD

Tramon

Coming into this game, I didn't expect a victory, due to a number if factors (already mentioned in other posts), but the way in which they lost bothers me. I hate when Packer games become arena league games because the defense can't be counted on to make a stop. I understand MM's decision to onside because he's trying to break serve. The way the defense played, who cares if the Saints get the ball atthe 20 or the 40. On the flip side, the arena scenario puts pressure on the offense to score every possession and too many red zone mistakes screwed the pooch. This was an all-around team effort in loss.
- Peppers in at the goal line?
- Receivers cutting off routes leading to tipped INT
- Taylor getting completely pushed off the line on 4th down
- gashed line play (Ingram? Really?)
-more missed tackles
-Lacy running out of shotgun at the goal line week after week. What's wrong with a fullback with also a play action or roll out mixed in?
- play calling isn't predictable, per se, but the formations are
- that quick slant to Cobb in first half has been missing from the offense for awhile, great to see it back- now use it more!
- defense has got to harass an opposing QB and ours doesn't. - can't beat quality QBs w/out it

But... I'll take 5-3 with the hope of getting hot going into playoffs. Unfortunately the level of play last night seemed repetitive of what Packer fans have seen the past 3 years. I hope it corrects itself going forward.

Look: We had 2 very unlucky INTs, 2 or 3 VERY bad PI calls, a failed 4th and short on our own 40 and a bad/unnecessary onside kick. I'm not saying those things weren't GBs fault, but it's not likely that all those breaks are going to go the opposition's way every time. If we play these guys in Lambeau in the playoffs, the outcome will be different.

We'll still win the division. We might even get a bye.

That said, the breakdowns on run D are VERY concerning. Unlike the things above, that IS repeatable. And I'm starting to think that is going to be the reason this edition of the Green Bay Packers will get bounced by a good running team (SEA/SF/DAL) in the playoffs.

This may not be a popular thought, and we're spoiled, but winning divisions isn't enough anymore. I don't want to be the Braves of the 90s/early 2000s (14 straight division titles, one WS win). With Rodgers at the healm, I want at least one more Super Bowl, but that won't happen with how this team/defense is currently constructed. Same issues the last few years...

For all of the complaining I've seen about the pack not running enough screens and using our backs in the passing option........let's give that part of our game yesterday some major props. Lacy all purpose yards.......yeah.....let's do more of that. I see that part of our game getting stronger as the year goes on. Those were some nice unscouted looks we gave them.

I know McCarthy had some desperate calls in this one....but I do like that we're seeing some new features in the offense every week.

Couple other points.
Good job by the saints offense for having max protect against our pass rushers. Their run ng backs and tight ends did a nice job there. I saw at one point that almost every one of our four rushers were double teamed.

Props to Rob Ryan. He didn't go blitz heavy at all. Must've learned a thing or two about Rodgers over the years. We got our yards but they did tighten things up in their red zone. Two tipped ints didn't help us any though.

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ok COW we see you are in your glory, your Vikings got a lucky win and the Packers lost a game to a desperate team in their house, "move on people nothing to see here," after the bye the Packers will go on another nice winning streak, please to all t he actual Packers fans , stop feeding into the jealous haters here, and there are many. some bad play calling , some questionable flags, thats football. RELAX

COW just go away , you are disrespectful to the Packers and their fans, stick to your Vikings.

yes COW the truth that you are a Vikings fan. I dont rag on my team, win or lose I love the Packers ,always have. sorry that your team never won the superbowl, having 4 is better than 0,