Gut Reactions: 2013 Week 9
Aaron's gut reactions to the Packers ' loss to the Chicago Bears.
By PackerAaron
- Well...that sucked.
- Did Dom Capers know that Jay Cutler wasn't playing?
- Casey Heyward was a liability tonight.
- BJ Raji had his best game of the season.
- AJ Hawk did not.
- Dom Capers had his ass handed to him by Trestman.
- McCarthy repeatedly going shotgun made me sick.
- Has Matt Flynn cleared waivers yet?
- The injuries on defense really came back to bite the Packers tonight.
- To be clear: McCarthy and Capers, regardless of injury, were completely out-coached tonight.
- Bring on the Eagles.
- Speaking of which - fuck you Capers if you can't shut down Chip Kelly and Nick Foles with a week to prepare. A bigger fuck you to McCarthy if you can't take advantage of the Eagles' defense with OR WITHOUT RODGERS with a week to prepare.
- Go Pack Go.
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Comments (236)
November 04, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Onside kick was dumb, even though it worked.
Trestman going for it on 4th down was even dumber. He could have ruined everything if Hawk had completed the tackle. Nothing wrong with punting it away to Seneca Wallace
November 05, 2013 at 12:07 am
My take was the bears thought the pack sucked so bad on defense that they were postively going to get that inch. It was not only gutsy but it said a lot about what the Bears felt about our defense.
November 05, 2013 at 12:21 am
On-side kick was genius. I actually called it 20 seconds before the kick. It was exactly the time MM has used the strategy in the past and it caught the Bears off guard.
November 05, 2013 at 11:33 am
I actually called it also, I said to my two boy's right before watch for the onside kick. Then it showed a pic of Lattimore and I said Lattimore's going to recover it!
November 05, 2013 at 12:35 am
Onside kick was brilliant. But the QB really needs to score a TD to make it worthwhile.
November 05, 2013 at 02:48 am
The onside kick was in good philosophy, good timing, and a great play call.
Rodgers may be the better quarterback but brett favre doesn't go in for the Xray, thrives, and wins this very game. I love Aaron Rodgers, 2nite I missed Brett Favre.
With a much improved offensive line and a better quarterback for this particular game, the bears a very good team.
Matt Flynn was released by the bills today.
Whoever buzzes Mcarthy in throwing the challenge flag should be fired. If it wasn't his fault he should be fired anyway for scapegoat purposes. UNBELIEVABLE!, unacceptable.
Burnett didn't play well, house didn't, tramon didn't, hawk didn't, the offensive line didn't, Wallace didn't, Rodgers sure did not, not sure if raji made a few plays or just couldn't get any push. - at least there's no question on who gets the game ball
November 05, 2013 at 06:41 am
Really? This is where we're going with this. That Rodgers isn't tough enough?
#facepalm
November 05, 2013 at 08:36 am
This isn't JSOnline. If you want to whine about a players toughness, go there.
November 05, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Hey Dumb ass Raji had his best game of the season. Were you actually watching?
November 04, 2013 at 11:38 pm
My thoughts. Blame the writer on jsonline dude just wrote an article that we could win without rodgers he jinxed us. One good thought lacy is better than ryan grant. And was a steal
November 04, 2013 at 11:41 pm
That was Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal. He's going to get shit on by thousands for that. He put himself out there and his worst nightmare is about to come true tonight and for the next few weeks. He might go in hiding.
Longshanks
November 04, 2013 at 11:44 pm
God, I would lose faith in humanity if I was McGinn and had actual adult human beings blame me for this.
November 04, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Go away, dude. Get the hint - women are to be treated with respect, and women who take the time to write even moreso.
If you come back, do so with a different attitude and nickname. You're a joke around these parts, and your reputation will follow you as long as you keep your identifier.
November 04, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Nobody likes a White Knight dude.
November 05, 2013 at 12:07 am
So men are not to be treated with respect? You are a sexist pig. How dare you treat only females with respect. As a male I am offended.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:11 am
Nobody likes a pissy little bitch either.
November 05, 2013 at 12:23 am
So Nerd, you are also a sexist pig I see. Welcome to zcavelli's club. As soon as the both of you learn that the women here want to be treated exactly like men the better off you will be. If you act like a protective man that is saying you are superior to them and feel the need to protect them like zcavelli is doing. He's a sexist pig and doesn't even realize it the poor bastard.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:31 am
What do the pissy little bitches want to be treated like?
November 05, 2013 at 12:40 am
Nerd, if you are referring to women that is again a sexist statement. Maybe you should answer your own question. I am trying to focus on the Packers loss. Take your women's issues to a different forum.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:17 am
1st post & you're telling people to go away? Try again.
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:03 am
Longshanks - you are an idiot.
November 05, 2013 at 01:14 am
Try again Nagler. That was totally uncalled for. I demand an apology from you. Everyone is upset with the loss. No need to call people names. You think some asshole bringing up women's issues after a loss is appropriate?
Longshanks
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:18 am
OH NO! You DEMAND an apology? WHAT will I do???
Oh. That's right. Tell you to fuck off.
November 05, 2013 at 01:27 am
So this is how you treat males? You totally disrespect them telling me to ... I can't even say it it's so hurtful and disrespectful to me.
They say people's true feelings come out when they are drinking. I have no doubt you are at this moment three sheets to the wind Nagler and your sexist ways against males are coming out in full force. I'll brush this off as you just having a little too much and are upset that your team lost and are just taking it out on me. Fine, I'll be your punching bag tonight no problem. I'll hit you up for an apology when you sober up.
I really am concerned about you Nagler. There's more to life than the Packers. You will end up like Gary Kubiak if you don't find another hobby. I say this is a disrespected male member of this board.
Sincerely,
Longshanks
November 04, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Someone's gonna shoot his dog.
November 04, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Jinx? Really? Save that kind of thing for sad sack Cubs fans.
November 04, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Not saying i blame him, he was just proven wrojg
November 05, 2013 at 12:37 am
Chill dude. Remember Matt Flynn. He sucked against Detroit but nearly beat New England the next week.
November 04, 2013 at 11:38 pm
The non challenge of the Quarless pass was inexcusable. That was the difference in the game. McCarthy really fucked up on that one. I will never ever understand why he didn't challenge that one. It was a catch and they would have overturned it. Who the hell is in charge of telling him to challenge or not to challenge?
Longshanks
November 04, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Yep, couldn't agree more. Just don't understand that one.
November 04, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Mike was rattled by the Rodgers injury.
And the severity of it, which he knows.
November 04, 2013 at 11:46 pm
I do agree with this. Mike froze up there. You could see it. Huge play -- second quarter, multiple timeoout.
Flat out screw up not challenging.
November 04, 2013 at 11:54 pm
He was seeing his season flash before his eyes. That's the only explanation.
November 05, 2013 at 12:41 am
The size of this boneheaded move was epic. So dumb. Quarless clearly controlled the ball in time.
November 05, 2013 at 12:58 am
Yes it was Spider. Epic is about right. It made no sense not to challenge it. They had a fucking backup qb that actually completed a first down pass that could have kept the drive alive. They ended up punting on that drive. They probably score or at least get a field goal.
I want to know what ham and egger is in charge up in the booth. Christ, McCarthy is an advertising spokesman on TV for Cellcom. Couldn't his wife text him and tell him to challenge it? I saw Matthews on his phone talking away. No exuse for that one!!
Longshanks
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:05 am
"The non challenge of the Quarless pass was inexcusable. That was the difference in the game."
No. It was not.
November 05, 2013 at 11:22 am
Maybe the root of the problem is that Quarless is not a very good player. MM should not have to be put in a position to challenge a play that should have been an easy catch in the first place. No one was around Quarless, it's right in his hands and he's bobbling the ball? WTF?
November 05, 2013 at 12:45 pm
It would have stayed as called, thats why
November 05, 2013 at 01:14 pm
What's inexcusable is Quarless not making an easy catch. When a shaky backup is in the game, receivers have to help him out. I doubt that call would have been overturned.
November 05, 2013 at 01:22 pm
With these refs, who the hell knows. But there is a clear still of the ball secured and his knee off the ground. Not sure what else they'd need.
November 04, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Seneca Wallace is awful, and I'm really tired of Dom Capers act.
November 05, 2013 at 12:11 am
Ya but Seneca Wallace is cheap. Keep that in mind, all these smallish dbacks from colleges you never heard of, all the free agents we didn't get, saved this team a ton of money.
How is that working for your Ted? Really, a 5'8 quarterback who has played in 30 games in 10 years?/???????
Apparently both MM and Ted think that Rogers will never get hurt behing that great O line, so anyone would work, even Seneca.
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:06 am
"all these smallish dbacks from colleges you never heard of, all the free agents we didn’t get, saved this team a ton of money."
Who should they have signed?
Fantastic that you can't name one DB they should have signed. Not. One.
Moron.
November 05, 2013 at 06:41 am
That was at least a 6 point swing. May have have not costed them the game buy certainly.contributed to being.completely out.coached! I wonder what Mashed Potato Mike is going to ne doing with his 3 unused timeouts and 2 unused challenges this week? F'ed up that big time! Worst red flag coach in the NFL! His players have to pick up the red flag to avoid penalties and its never used when it should be. In game.adversity and MPM and Domfounded seem lost. Game plan goes good from the word go they're fine, if not, watch out
November 04, 2013 at 11:39 pm
God damn fucking right!
November 04, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Bunch of whiny children on here. Feel good banging out the cuss words? Used to think this place was cool. Nagler, you're depressing
November 04, 2013 at 11:47 pm
No we are just pissed. And have every right to be. Let us vent
November 04, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Totally out of order. Children read this. Set an example, this is just a GAME....
November 05, 2013 at 12:09 am
Don't read it if you don't like it.
November 05, 2013 at 07:36 am
Curse words are entirely appropriate when trying to emphasize an expression of anger or disappointment. It is just a game, but many fans make a significant emotional investment, and when that investment goes belly-up I'd rather see 1,000,000 fucks/shits/god damnits on the Internet than one bar fight, riot, domestic incident, or OWI arrest.
Offended by the use of simple curse words? The fact is that no one made you come here and no one is making you stay. Vote with your browser. I'll do the same.
I, for one, applaud the appropriate use of colorful language in this blog post.
November 05, 2013 at 12:11 am
Damn fucking right Steve!! Packers lose to the fucking Bears and some asshole is on here preaching to me about women's rights or something. I feel like Tony fucking Soprano right about now. I am just glad we can swear. I didn't know we could. This is refreshing to be able to vent after a loss. It helps.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:12 am
Emotional like a woman, much?
November 05, 2013 at 12:17 am
who is this person who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?
November 04, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Agree that I am shocked by the juvenile profanity.
I suspect that another season going down the tubes during Aaron Rodgers' prime is going to lead to
I am also tired of everyone blaming just Capers. MM is the head coach. He hired Capers. Time for the head man to be held accountable for his D.
November 05, 2013 at 12:12 am
For the record, someone pointed out this week that MM currently has the highest win percentage of any current head coach.
November 05, 2013 at 12:29 am
"Agree that I am shocked by the juvenile profanity. "
What the hell do you suppose goes on during an actual game. You think these players are exchanging Valentines?
Players swear and fans swear when their team loses. It's a natural process for some. Some don't swear and others like myself do. Please respect the people that do swear is all I am asking.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:35 am
Aghhhhhh
November 05, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Best coach there is in MM. Capers, well I am wondering about him I will admit
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:07 am
" Nagler, you’re depressing"
Bye!
November 05, 2013 at 10:59 am
This is the Internet, dude. You don't have to act all offended because you saw the F word.
November 04, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Hayward*
He gave up two plays and made two others. Not sure that's a 'liability'
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:08 am
Total liability.
November 05, 2013 at 01:47 am
Totally agree. Casey Hayward is an outstanding last resort backup corner. But Sam Shields tackling was so horrendous, I don't know if it matters.
The Packers' secondary got exposed like they have for the last couple three years. (Since Nick Collins retired)
Some Packers fans were spoiled by the incredible secondary we had 3 or 4 years ago. When you saw coverage sacks. Coverage sacks? Those days are over.
Funny how Nick Collins made the Packers secondary a lot better.
Until they find a new "Nick Collins", there will be no Lombardi Trophy coming to Green Bay.
November 05, 2013 at 08:26 am
Whoa whoa whoa, there's a difference between having a bad game and being a "last resort backup corner." Do we really have this short of a memory?
November 05, 2013 at 11:00 am
Right? Hayward's first game with significant snaps after basically not playing for HALF THE SEASON - and people want to relegate this guy to the bench.
November 05, 2013 at 11:10 am
Funny how everyone thought Nick Collins was a bust his first two years on the team. The "next Nick Collins" may already be on the roster.
November 05, 2013 at 08:30 am
Agreed. Hayward actually tackles BEnnett on the final drive they have a chance. The half ass effort on that tackle summed up his overall game perfectly. Then again nobody can cover for 6 seconds every drop back. I was fooled for a few weeks by Capers defense. Playing Weeden and Ponder sure hid reality for a while. No pressure all game and Domfounded finally sends a DB to blitz from the slot with 4 minutes to play in the 4th quarter?!?!? Probably should have tried that earlier DoM! every top 25 QB beats this defense without Clay. They are not good. People look at the Ravens game, THE RAVENS OFFENSE IS TERRIBLE!!!!! This defense is BAD aside from run defense. They have played shitty offenses and looked way better due to opponents, not what they bring to the table.
November 05, 2013 at 02:44 pm
I usually point to the Lions game. They are a very good passing team and we were able to beat them. I know, megatron wasn't out there, but there were others.
If anyone was fooled by the previous games then they weren't actually watching them. During the Brown's game in particular there were many many times that receivers were wide open due to bad coverage. Weeden just through like crap and didn't exploit what was there. Ravens was no different. I watched that game from the stands and saw wide open receivers on nearly every play.
November 05, 2013 at 09:48 am
Complete liability. The guy was awful tonight. Shouldn't have played a snap in front of Micah Hyde in the second half. His attempted "tackle" on Bennett at the end of the game was the icing on the cake.
Like watching Sam Shields circa the last two years. Hell, even Sam got back to his oil antics on the tackling side.
November 06, 2013 at 02:05 pm
Pure recency bias. Hyde hasn't done anything in coverage compared to Hayward.
November 04, 2013 at 11:48 pm
i'm still in shock that we only lost by 7 after losing rodgers. it will be interesting to see how the offense looks after wallace gets a solid week of reps. i'm hoping rodgers is only out a week or 2 (or not at all!) and hopefully it's something fairly minor like a sprained shoulder
November 04, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Seriously, no Rodgers, Clay, Cobb, Finley, Perry, and Lang for part of the game, against a team with a very good offense coming off a bye week. Losing sucks, but the fact that this was kept close was impressive.
Gruden was right - if this team gets healthy, the rest of the league better watch out.
November 05, 2013 at 01:19 pm
Thanks for pointing this out. The sky isn't falling. Rodgers injury completely changed that game, and our guys still only lost by 7.
November 04, 2013 at 11:49 pm
I dont put much blame on Wallace on this. Its up to MM, or TC, to get a back-up prepared and ready. Maybe MM needs to give more snaps to QB2, and not give, 95% (probably more?) to QB1.
Thought that MM shoulda put his time-outs to use sooner, instead of waiting past the two minute warning.
November 04, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Steve Young put it best after the game...backup QB's are not going to get a ton of reps during the week. It's the nature of the game and every coach prepares their starters for game day.
November 05, 2013 at 12:02 am
Yes, but the staff should know what the backup can do.
Would you not have an emergency default gameplan based upon your backup's skill set?
I'd at least think about the eventuality beforehand.
November 05, 2013 at 12:32 am
Nerd, they did change their game plan when Wallace came in. It was called Eddie Lacy time. They know Wallace is still not accustom to this system. I think they know if Wallace comes in, it already eliminates 3/4 of the play calls. We saw tonight that it is difficult to bring in a QB at the start of the season, with no training camp, and preseason. I think if you're thrown into the game, like Wallace was, then you simplify your game plan and lean on your QB's skill set. I just don't think Seneca Wallace executed tonight. Did you notice WR's on the outside raising their hands at Wallace at the line of scrimmage? There was miscommunication and confusion when he went in the game.
November 05, 2013 at 12:49 am
The miscommunication and confusion makes me think they never practiced for this eventuality and were grasping at straws on the fly.
November 05, 2013 at 01:15 am
It wasn't so much miscommunication or confusion. The playbook was severely limited w/ Wallace. First becuz he wasn't in GB for training camp and becuz Wallace doesn't have the passing ability to move the ball downfield.
Its not like we didn't all know that w/o Rodgers the Packers would be fighting an uphill battle. And IMO they did pretty well to stay in the game till the end. They needed someone on D to make a play and get off the field instead of letting Chi use the entire 4th qtr on one drive!
November 05, 2013 at 04:03 am
Yeah no kidding they didn't practice for this. What part of the Young quote don't you get? There just isn't enough practice time to get your backup work during a normal week. No coach in the league is going to dilute the quality of their offense by giving snaps to the backup unless they're forced to by situations like this. You seem shocked by this but it's absolutely normal.
November 05, 2013 at 12:04 am
Thanks VApackerfan. I dont get to watch the ESPN post game show up here in Canada.
I think Steve Young is correct. We really shouldnt be dumping a whole bunch on Wallace. I dont think any of the backups we had in training camp would have done any better tonite. If the backups dont get the reps, how can they be prepared to play?
November 05, 2013 at 03:20 pm
hey michael from winnipeg,if i were you,i would head down to the palamino club on portage ave and have a cold one and drown this misery! we need to go 2-1 till arod gets back and we'll be fine! GO PACK!!
November 04, 2013 at 11:49 pm
goodbye season, it's been fun
November 04, 2013 at 11:50 pm
He's depressing because this nite was depressing. I can't remember the last time I was so un-excited to be a packers fan. What is there to be chipper about? I will go ahead and answer that for you with one.of those words you can't handle ...not a FUCKING thing!
November 05, 2013 at 12:16 am
lol.. that was good. Let it out Hayward. It's normal to vent. Don't listen to these people that want you to keep it inside. You do that and you are on the evening news.
This was the first time since 1975 that I almost was going to watch The Blacklist at halftime but I decided to stick with the game. I almost feel ashamed to say that.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:51 pm
its a game don't have a coronary
November 04, 2013 at 11:50 pm
Such profanity, Aaron.
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:09 am
Right? Fucking hell.
November 05, 2013 at 07:46 am
Hear, hear!
November 04, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Eddie Lacy used the national stage to make a case for ROOKIE OF THE YEAR.
November 05, 2013 at 12:00 am
Sorry but Lacy will get beat by that Bengals RB. Giovani Bernard I think? Hes not as good but for some reason his name gets thrown around a whole lot more.
November 05, 2013 at 01:18 am
Not a chance. Gio is splitting time, too much time w/ the Lawfirm. He doesn't put up nearly enough numbers nor have near the impact of Lacy. He ran for 150 against Chi all while they played 8 men in the box all nite. Lacy made a statement tonite!
November 05, 2013 at 02:52 pm
"He ran for 150 against Chi all while they played 8 men in the box all nite"
This has been noticed.
November 04, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Hawk?? What is your complaint with him? Everytime I saw him he was making a tackle that everyone else missed. Hawk is never great but he surely did not deserve a shoutout. What about House? He sucked. What about Burnett? He sucked. The list is endless really... Hawk is one of the few guys that I can say is a true Packer to the core, for life. Because the dude just doesn't leave, even if every fan wants him too
November 05, 2013 at 12:04 am
Getting dragged for -3 yards per tackle.
How he didn't get called for a back breaking PI late in the game is beyond me. I guess the refs felt they owed us. (And they did.)
November 05, 2013 at 12:09 am
Yes AJ made the tackle on Bennett ... at the 1 yard line ... after getting beat for a 30 yard pass completion.
On the 4th and 1 play he had a chance to make a play behind the line of scrimmage and whiffed.
Hawk was back to his first 7 years of being a huge liability against the pass and nothing special against the run. Kudos to Trestman for exploiting him with numerous dump offs into the soft underbelly of Capers' zone.
November 05, 2013 at 12:23 am
He didn't whiff, he got drilled by an olineman.
November 05, 2013 at 08:39 am
Exactly. I was angry with him at first, but after seeing the replay he got leveled. Great block by the OL. Not much AJ could have done there.
November 05, 2013 at 12:23 am
Sorry my attention must have been stolen by the secondary that let every WR wearing a bears uniform be open by 5 years and then run another 15 years after the play. But Hawk should have stopped all that too?
November 05, 2013 at 12:53 pm
He's been having the best season ever. Hit the reset button guys
November 05, 2013 at 12:00 am
If ARod is out for more than a few weeks, we are done. And whoever wins the NFCN will be about a legitimate of a division champ as the Dolphins were in 2008 when Brady was hurt.
If they get healthy though... we still could be in for a treat.
November 05, 2013 at 12:01 am
HAHA but they will still be better than whoever wins the NFC East. Year of underachievers!
November 05, 2013 at 02:54 pm
this is also true.
November 05, 2013 at 12:03 am
Everyone is very quick to write off Wallace. Am I really the only Packer Fan that didn't see enough to make that assertion?
November 05, 2013 at 12:05 am
The point is that he's not ARod. And IMO the defense isn't good enough to keep teams consistently under 21 points. Without ARod, I don't know if the running game alone can get that much a game...
November 05, 2013 at 12:25 am
NOBODY is Arod. He is the best in the game. But Wallace is probably better than most backups and for now he is all we have. So stand by him Pack Fans!
November 05, 2013 at 04:07 am
Wallace is not better than most backups. He was on the street for a reason. Weak arm, crap accuracy, mobility fading, and every blitz he sees seems to be the first. He's exactly what he looked like tonight: a dumpster fire.
November 05, 2013 at 07:48 am
So basically just like Matt Flynn, but cheaper.
Give him a week to take reps with the starters before we write him off as burning garbage.
November 05, 2013 at 12:53 pm
I agree, give the guy a week then let's see
November 05, 2013 at 12:05 am
Everything this season depends on Rodgers condition. If he can come back in a couple weeks, it's salvageable. If not, we're playing for respect and next year.
We can put permutations on the replacement QB situation all we want, but the truth is, Rodgers is the one irreplaceable player on the roster regardless of what McGinn thinks.
Not trying to be pessimistic, just realistic.
November 05, 2013 at 08:02 am
Realism is strictly forbidden in this comments string...
But you are 100% right, if AR is out any extended time, we're in trouble. Wallace with some reps in practice can sustain the offense agains the rag tag opponents coming up.
Better hope it was a separated shoulder and not a collar bone.
November 05, 2013 at 12:05 am
Hope for a Jets losing streak, Rex Ryan D Cordinator 2014
November 05, 2013 at 12:13 am
For an O-line that gets praise for run-blocking, they gotta take a look in the mirror for all the sacks tonight.
Coming into the game, the Bears D had a grand total 9 sacks on the season. Tonight? 5.
November 05, 2013 at 12:14 am
Was tonight the "high watermark" for Lacy? As bad as the Bears D is, will he ever surpass 150 yds rushing in a game? Just a thought...
November 05, 2013 at 12:23 am
Thats a stupid comment they stacked eight in the box. And did amazing. Kid could be one of the best in the league
November 05, 2013 at 12:25 am
Lol are you kidding? We had Seneca Wallace at qb. I'm pretty sure even my sons pet rabbit knew we were going to run the ball, and we did. We ran it down their fn throat against a stacked box n you're gonna complain about a buck fifty ....get a life.
November 05, 2013 at 12:25 am
With QB1 in the game he would have been waaay up there. The fact that they rushed for 180 yards when the Bears didn't have to respect the pass in any way is pretty amazing.
November 05, 2013 at 12:28 am
Face it lacy is an amazing rb top 10 already
November 05, 2013 at 12:17 am
Ya know what made me want to puke in my mouth even more than Casey Heyward missing tackles?? John--Fucking--Gruden and his McCown/Bears lovefest. My God, how bout a little credit to a team down Rodgers, Finley, Cobb, CM3, Perry, Lang. God he was awful...Just as he said, "they gotta pass here", Lacy rumbles for 50+ yds. Put Gruden in "The Bad"...please.
November 05, 2013 at 12:20 am
Word
November 05, 2013 at 05:48 am
I put the game on mute for the first time in my entire 47 year life - he is terrible
November 05, 2013 at 07:54 am
He's a one-trick pony.
Step one: Gush about player who recently did something.
There is no step two.
November 05, 2013 at 08:04 am
And under no circumstances can he see a replay and admit he was wrong with his initial call or analysis.
November 05, 2013 at 12:55 pm
He was not awful, give him the week
November 05, 2013 at 12:17 am
Bahktieri had no answer for Peppers.
November 05, 2013 at 01:25 am
And Barclay was just as bad if not worse. Both are decent run blockers, but w/o Rodgers knowing how to make the OL better w/ playcalling and balance on Offense, they were exposed for what they are. Barclay might make a 1/2 way decent OG w/ a year of practice. Bahktiari could become a good OT, but he should be the backup next year w/ Bulaga and hopefully Sherrod starting.
November 05, 2013 at 06:00 am
I'm starting to lose hope for Barclay. He's got almost a year's worth of starts under his belt now, and a full off-season. If he was going to make a leap, I'd have thought he would have made it this off-season. He looks no better to me now than he did last January. If he looks the same next August I think it is time to cut bait.
November 05, 2013 at 06:18 am
He was an undrafted FA for a reason. He's got limited skills in the NFL. He's feisty and will battle but in the end his lack of ability will shine thro. He doesn't let the game get away from him and is smart enough to hang in there and compete, so he deserves some credit in that regard, but he's too limited in talent. At OG he might be able to succeed, not at OT for too long. He needs to move inside where his lack of ability won't get exposed.
November 05, 2013 at 08:30 am
Part of the problem was that Wallace, when he would see even a little bit of pressure, would for some reason run backwards (or, oddly, out of bounds) rather than step up into the pocket. That makes it awfully hard on your tackles.
November 05, 2013 at 11:34 am
I noticed the same thing Idiot. Wallace did not help his lineman by moving backwards - often times right into the back of the pocket that was being created. He actually ran right into the d-linemans pass-rush, even when our tackles were doing what they were supposed to be doing and forcing them outside the pocket.
Wallace was his own worst enemy last night. Constantly moving backwards, instead of stepping up and not even giving himself the chance to use one of his strengths - picking up cheap yard with his mobility.
I wonder if the backward movement is because of his small-size and the need to create better visuals and passing lanes with the much bigger d-lineman in his way.
November 05, 2013 at 12:18 am
Thank you, Nagler. Couldn't have been an easy one to write tonight. Go Pack Go.
November 05, 2013 at 12:22 am
At the beginning of the season I had the Pack going 0-5 and finishing 6-10 at best. I was very surprised how wrong I was. The team was playing a lot better than I thought on both defense and offense.
The team I envisioned before the season started showed up tonight:
1. No respectable pass rush. When the big four are in you pass. If Datone is in you run. How hard is that for offenses to get?
2. dbacks are smallish, slow and lack tackling ability and just can't get off the field. Most came out of schools you never heard of and were passed over by 31 other teams, nubmerous times in the draft. Tonight they made a hasbeen look like Unitas.
3. We have a lot of injuries because we draft late round picks who were injured in college a lot. Duh!
4. MM did not have a plan for Wallace. He looked like a guy who hasn't had a football in his hand in six weeks.
There were again no take aways. Poor tackling, the team looked gassed again in the 4th quarter.
I think the real packers showed up and its not going to be pretty down the road. Several more injuries tonight.
November 05, 2013 at 12:25 am
Right because perry,Matthews, rodgers,Cobb were all late rounf picks thqt were hurt in college, educate yourself cow
November 05, 2013 at 12:34 am
lol.... I like this guy!! for shits and giggles!! I needed this after this loss.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 01:27 am
Next time you go away, stay gone TROLL!
November 05, 2013 at 04:14 am
There's exactly one DB on this team shorter than 5'11. His name is Chris Banjo and he plays special teams. I don't know where this smallish-DB thing materialized from but some of you folks are hallucinating.
November 05, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Morgan you are simply an idiot. Please switch to soccer
November 05, 2013 at 02:58 pm
Now this sounds more like the Cow I remember!
November 05, 2013 at 12:29 am
i just saw this on bill michaels' twitter page:
"ESPN's @ReillyRick saying Packers Rodgers is out 5-6 weeks"
how the hell would rick reilly know this? he's the only one in the national media who has commented about the length of time the rodgers will be out. i call BS!
November 05, 2013 at 12:36 am
Well with the media it's all about being the first to report it. If he's right he's a king, if he's wrong nobody will care.
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:30 am
All I can say is cheap ball will get you eventually. What I don't get is Seattle, Frisco, Denver, etc all have two things in common that I see glaringly missing on this team: physical dbacks who are 6'2 and can cover/tackle, and a respectable O line that can give the QB time to pass.
Why do we lack this? Because Ted gets those players in the late rounds because they come cheap.
I say, 31 teams passed on all the dbacks on this team during the draft at least 4 or more times. Why? They weren't very good in college and that's playing for Div II schools.
Your not going to win the big games with this bullshit Ted.
The Bears came out throwing early and often because scouting reports said this team was easy to shred. 41 passes tonight.
PackerAaron
November 05, 2013 at 01:20 am
Quick - without Googling, name the backup QBs who would come in and win without question in Seattle and San Francisco. What? You can't? Shocking.
November 05, 2013 at 06:39 am
Zing!
November 05, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Do you mean small school players such as Nick Collins(bethune-cookman)? Or how about the QB from Butte Community College that TT saved money by drafting after 23 other teams passed on him?
November 05, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Well, they both got hurt so Ted's an idiot. #sarcasm
November 05, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Have you noticed our D has been rated quite good. Last night yep not stellar
November 05, 2013 at 12:36 am
Upon further reflection, I don't feel quite as badly about this loss.
-Bares were coming off a bye week. HUGE advantage.
-We lost Aaron.
-There were alot of non-holding calls and whatnot that kept Chicago drives alive.
-D shat itself.
-We still only lost by 7.
November 05, 2013 at 08:33 am
I agree, except I think the refs let some things go on both sides. I don't think they played a huge factor in the game.
November 05, 2013 at 11:18 am
Sorry, Nerd, but further reflection is not allowed. Off-the-cuff statements only. The season is over! All the defensive backs we loved the last few weeks are now to be hated! Fire TT and MM! The world is about to end with the Packers never winning another game! Doom!
November 05, 2013 at 03:01 pm
DOOOMMMMM!!!!
November 05, 2013 at 12:40 am
Only one gpld thing about this game. Lacy ran ridiculously well with them stacking the box like he was peterson. Ladies and gentlemen eddie lacy is a star
November 05, 2013 at 12:51 am
EARL CAMPBELL 2.O!
November 05, 2013 at 01:01 am
No where in the gut reactions do you acknowledge the incredible game McCown had? Guy looked like Montana tonight. Maybe a tiny bit of credit?
And fuck the coaches (??) if they can't beat Foles who threw 7 TDs last week...with Seneca Wallace? And without Cobb, Matthews, Finley, and the 10 other guys we're missing??
I got news for you: every game until we get Rodgers back is going to be a goddamn dog fight. I'm all for next man up. And I'll ride with this team no matter what. But the fuck this person, fuck that person stuff is really unfortunate.
What McCarthy and Capers (and the players) have achieved this year, adjusting and re-adjusting, constantly in the face of non-stop adversity is pretty remarkable. We're a 5-3 football team getting big contributions and big effort from guys like Hyde, Bahktiari, House, Lattimore, Boykin, Lacy, Daniels, Palmer, Hawk, Neal, etc.
I'm proud of this team, the way they've battled and they way they continue to battle. This is all the stuff Vince Lombardi talked about...adversity, getting back up, being prepared for your opportunity...this is the very fabric of the Packers. And this team is living it.
So yeah. Tonight sucked. We all know it. But as this once hopeful guy used to say, "lotta ballgame left"
Go Pack Go.
November 05, 2013 at 08:35 am
+1,000,000,000
November 05, 2013 at 08:44 am
I agree with you, no doubt. But I think Aaron has a point about coaching. The defense played as if it was Tom Brady in the pocket. We only blitzed a handful of times and only a small percentage of them were successful; ie getting to the QB. The successful ones by the way forced some bad throws and nearly gave us a TO. Should have schemed to put a lot more pressure on the backup QB. And on the offensive side... we get our backup QB in with limited reps w/ the first team. I think I saw 2, maybe 3 nice quick outs to the TE that Wallace has been throwing too much of the season in practice. Good safety blanket. I saw one attempted slant. Should have been 10. I saw no draws, no screens, no bootlegs, nothing to keep the defense guessing. Just power runs (which were great) and then 5-7 step drop on 3rd and long. That kind of playcalling won't win football games, sorry. Perhaps the limited playbook was a factor, but I don't think so. Hopefully we see better next week. Go Pack Go!
November 05, 2013 at 08:49 am
We sure made him look like Tom Brady.
November 05, 2013 at 09:35 am
Please remind me...what were Aaron's "points" about coaching? The Packers (and Capers), even with Mulumba getting banged up, were still getting into McCown's kitchen. But again, the guy just made plays. The 1st quarter back foot TD toss to Marshall, with Mike Neal practically sacking him? Please tell me, what is Dom Capers supposed to do about that? The big throw to Martellus Bennett, McCown is has the pocket collapsing from both sides and is practically falling down! Again, what is Capers supposed to do there? Wallace was asked to do very little. And still he made the decision to throw a pass with #90 staring him in the face (INT) and the completion to Jones inside the red zone could have easily been INT #2. McCarthy also dialed up a beautiful on sides kick--great execution from Crosby. And then late in the game, with the Bears stacking the box on Lacy, McCarthy calls a perfectly timed slant to Nelson. That play might go for 6 if Wallace executes, but he's behind Nelson with the football.
A lot of things went wrong on the field last night. And I think the Quarless non-challenge was one of them. But if I'm placing blame/giving credit, I'm not looking at/swearing at the coaches.
McCown played his ass off. Wallace didn't. We got beat. End of story.
November 05, 2013 at 09:36 am
"The Packers (and Capers), even with Mulumba getting banged up, were still getting into McCown’s kitchen."
Really? I feel like they didn't breath on McCown all night.
November 05, 2013 at 09:48 am
Watch the Marshall TD. Watch the Bennett throw. Re-watch the game.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000276925/Week-9-Be...
November 05, 2013 at 09:48 am
"Re-watch the game."
Do I have to?
November 05, 2013 at 10:01 am
haha :)
November 05, 2013 at 10:14 am
I don't have the full stats, but ESPN credits the Packers with 1 sack (1 yard loss by Datone, I believe) and 5 hits. Couldn't find hurries.
I'm honestly not sure if 5 hits is good or bad, but I just remember McCown have ALL DAY to throw the vast majority of time.
November 05, 2013 at 10:21 am
Evan:
According to PFF the Bears had 42 drop backs. We had 1 sack, 3 hits, and 11 hurries. 6 of those hurries came from Mike Neal. Shields and Jones each had a hit on the aforementioned well designed blitzes. Should have been many more.
November 05, 2013 at 10:29 am
The pressure was not great, but the issue was exacerbated by the fact that when there was pressure, the player couldn't bring McCown down (like the Marshall TD). I really miss the Bears Olines of old.
November 05, 2013 at 10:16 am
I think my previous post outlined quite well the issues I had. The "point" was that Dom had his ass handed to him by Trestman. This much was obvious. I agree that it comes down to execution, but we're missing a few playmakers so we need a better scheme to free up some guys. The blitzing was very bland outside of a handful of good looks. You can't stop an NFL offense by rushing 4 and playing soft coverage. Any half decent QB (or one with 2 weeks to prepare for you) will tear you apart, as McCown did. I saw 2 or 3 really nice blitzes from an ILB or DB that were effective... Got to the QB and forced a bad throw. That should have been happening way more often.
November 05, 2013 at 01:14 am
LOL. Here's the reality of it all. Rodgers saved both the team and McCarthy in 2010.....and they won the Super Bowl. It was longshot. But they did it. Mike McCarthy is a choker. You've seen it a hundred times. The non-challenge of the Quarless catch? That's vintage McCarthy.
Even if Rodgers comes back next week (unlikely), the odds of the team over-coming McCarthy are slim to none.
Enjoy your beer and brats and life, because the Lombardi trophy ain't gonna happen unless the stars align again.
Mike McCarthy is responsible for this loss. Nobody else.
When you saw the backup QB come in and throw the INT right off the bat, your gut feeling told you it was over. Always trust your gut feeling.
November 05, 2013 at 06:13 am
Shut the hell up. You clearly don't know what your talking about or are nothing but a troll.
November 05, 2013 at 08:37 am
There was a time when I actually believed that Packer fans were the best and smartest in the league. The last six years have steadily eroded that belief.
November 05, 2013 at 08:46 am
It's the "new" fans. They come and go. Those of us that have been watching our whole lives know better.
November 05, 2013 at 01:01 pm
Jordan that is pure shit
November 05, 2013 at 01:18 am
When FLynn came in cold against Detroit, he was dogpoo. When they gave him first team reps and gameplanned for him, he was awesome. Maybe Seneca Wallace will play a lot better on Sunday.
November 05, 2013 at 01:40 am
Notwithstanding Nagler's considerable football acumen, he is a disgrace who appeals to the lowest common denominator. I hope Nagler has no ambition to ever be a professional sports writer. I encourage CheeseheadTV to drop his column. Nagler, go write for a porn magazine. That should be in your style.
Barclay did not get beat initially on the play where AROD got hurt. Barclay pushed Shea Mcclellin wide and past the pocket, and AROD stepped up like he should. Problem was Barclay stopped on the play, and did not cut off Mcclellin from pursuing. It looked to me like AROD might not have realized that it was the speedy Mcclellin who was chasing him. AROD ran 3/4ths speed and was still looking to pass the ball. I think he would have run for his life had he realized it was Mcclellin chasing him. Give Barclay at least half responsibility for not cutting off the pursuit. By the way, I have been posting about the lousy o-line for a long time now. TT needed to make a move to get a veteran tackle when Bulaga went down, perhaps someone like Monroe. You can help one tackle but it is hard to help both tackles.
November 05, 2013 at 01:56 am
Pfftt. Rodgers always holds on to the ball too long vs Bears and gets whacked. It was bound to happen. Bears were fired up like they're supposed to be. And Rodgers holds the ball like a deer in the headlights vs. Bears. It's a lethal cocktail waiting for match.
Go back and watch the first Packers vs Bears game of 2009. Allen Barbre almost got Rodgers put in intensive care unit.
November 05, 2013 at 01:02 pm
Rogers, best QB there is
November 05, 2013 at 06:11 am
Disagree... Barclay didn't do enough to keep McClellin engaged long enough. McClellin was already disengaged from Barclay when Rodgers was forced to slip inside him, as he has had to do all year! If Barclay is still engaged Rodgers gets another 1/2 second to get outside and get rid of the ball. Barclay played a large part in Rodgers getting sacked on that play IMO.
November 05, 2013 at 08:15 am
NEWSFLASH not so great reynoldo...this is Nagler's site he co-founded. He's not going anywhere. If you don't like it, don't read it, go start your own site and have fun dealing with the trolls and morons that don't know how to watch a game.
November 05, 2013 at 08:47 am
LOL.
November 05, 2013 at 02:30 am
Rodgers HAS to hold on to the ball too long given the offensive lines he has had. Newhouse was a swinging gate, Saturday was awful and was bull-rushed successfully all the time preventing AROD from stepping up in the pocket. Bulaga had some off games, really some off-seasons. Watch the game with a stop watch and you will see the opposing QB always has several tenths of a second more time before noticing the pass rush than AROD. Datone Jones' sack was really a coverage sack. Capers is getting his pressure solely on blitzing DB, and not from the LBs from which pressure in a 3-4 defense if designed to be generated. GB needs CM, Perry. I like Neal but he needs another year to transition into an OLB.
November 05, 2013 at 03:58 am
I am an older Packers fan, and on the way home from the game tonight I found myself feeling thankful for having stuck with the Packers during the long dry spell of the 1970s and '80s. It affords a perspective that the younger generation of fans lacks, I'm afraid. If there is a rocky road ahead for the Pack this season, I hope "the kids" won't give up on the team.
November 05, 2013 at 06:16 am
Nagler must have been drinking. All that profanity!!!
November 05, 2013 at 11:14 am
"Nagler must have been drinking. All that profanity!!!"
Gee you think? He is supposed to be a professional writer I thought. He lead the way using F bombs to start it all out when he used it in his column. When he swore like that I thought everyone could and apparently so did alot of other people so that's why this turned into a Soprano episode. He's to blame for all the swearing.
He was rude, obnoxious, calling people morons and even had the nerve to tell me to "fuck off" after someone brought up women's issues with me which deeply upset me especially right after the loss.
Reynaldo is asking Nagler to resign or not write anymore due to his abusive behavior. Not sure I want to go that far but he should apologize to all the people that come here for his drunkin outbursts last night.
If he admits he was wrong than that's a start. If he refuses than he might as well be working for Larry Flynt. I guess I'll probably just accept the abuse here and fight thru the trolls.
Longshanks
P.S. As to Jayme, the Longshanks going to battle with "Wallace" (William Wallace) was a joke from the movie Braveheart. You are the only person in the world not to watch the movie apparently. Everyone got the joke except you. Jesus!!
November 05, 2013 at 06:28 am
I've been coming here for something like three years I think, and this is absolutely the worst thread I have ever read. Aaron, you've always been a little crusty, but you are a professional writer now, and you don't want to go where you went last night. It is not good for you. There are a lot of really smart football guys here that I have learned from over the last three years, Aaron, POC, Packsmack, etc. Don't let the trolls pull this site down. Peace. Out.
November 05, 2013 at 08:42 am
I think there was a considerable amount of drunk posting last night, including the original post. One of the worst parts about a Packer loss is knowing the sheer amount of stupidity that's about to come forth on the blog comments and on Twitter. I wish there was a sane place to go for conversation after a loss. It certainly isn't here.
November 05, 2013 at 08:43 am
Not anymore, at least.
November 05, 2013 at 08:52 am
Agreed. If you find the place for sane fans, let me know.
November 05, 2013 at 09:24 am
Yup, I'll follow you guys when you find one.
November 05, 2013 at 09:35 am
I haven't given up on CHTV, not by a long shot. I'm holding out hope the new commenting system will help deter all these fucking trolls.
November 05, 2013 at 11:50 am
Understand the frustration. But honestly I wouldn't expect great discussion to occur anywhere (online or otherwise) until Wednesday. People are still too emotionally charged, there's still a lot of injury and roster uncertainty.
Related, can't be easy for any writers to put something out at 2 am last night, when whatever they say could be rendered meaningless by today's press conference.
November 05, 2013 at 07:19 am
What a nightmare. I Can't believe this is happening. It feels even more like the 2010 season now with Rodgers missing his first game cuz of injury. But the defense isn't even close to as good as 2010. These injuries are making me sick. Our injury report is a Fucking first ballot probowl list. Wouldn't be shocked to see McCarthy dislocate his elbow throwing a flag next week. FUCK THIS SHIT!
November 05, 2013 at 07:23 am
CAPERS needs to go badly. His Labeau wannabe ass can only slow down Lions without CJ, Flaaco and Weeden. Garbage schemes.
November 05, 2013 at 07:28 am
I see the trolls are back in full force. Great.
And have the refs ever seen a holding penalty before?!
November 05, 2013 at 08:44 am
Yeah, we were yelling about that on the live blog. But to be fair, I think we got away with a couple too. And I would rather have refs like that than ones who call ticky-tack stuff.
November 05, 2013 at 08:48 am
I saw at least half a dozen blatant holds - Marshall on Hayward on an outside run, a couple on Raji up the gut.
I'm with you on not having refs call ticky-tack shit, but call something!
There was, what, 1 penalty called all game?
November 05, 2013 at 09:34 am
Yeah, that one on Marshall was particularly egregious. Hayward's whole body bent backwards. A Bear fan might counter with, "what about Hawk covering Jeffery, or the time they showed the replay of House grabbing Marshall's jersey and holding on for the entire route just to keep up." Also, "Hey, anyone remember that 1985 Bear team? They were awesome."
November 05, 2013 at 09:37 am
Yeah, I was shocked that Hawk play wasn't called.
November 05, 2013 at 07:39 am
@AdamSchefter: More definitive scans today but initial tests showed small fracture in Aaron Rodgers' collarbone that could sideline him about three weeks.
November 05, 2013 at 07:44 am
We can manage 3 weeks. That puts him back for Detroit... Here's hoping.
November 05, 2013 at 07:45 am
All this talk about Flynn, but I've heard he has an elbow injury. Any truth to that?
November 05, 2013 at 08:36 am
yes. and he got outplayed when competing for the starting jobs in Seattle and Oakland. He was terrible the one game I saw him for the Raiders.
November 05, 2013 at 07:50 am
I really don't understand all that anger towards Dom Capers. No, he didn't get his behind handed to him by Trestman. He called the right plays most of the time. But he was the victim of extremely poor execution. On the first 2 TD passes, Neal missed McCown both times, should've been 2 sacks. Raji missed McCown by a half step for a safety. The next snap, he played decoy but managed to draw both the C and LG to leave the rest of the DL 1-1, and not a single one of the 3 could win his battle. The same play, Burnett and Tramon Williams were both sleep walking and allowed Marshall to get open. Hayward missed Bennett badly, allowing the 4th & inches to happen, otherwise it'd have been 4th&6 and the Bears would've punted for sure. Missed tackles by AJ Hawk (several times), Brad Jones, Sam Shields... Need I go on?
For the most part, the run game was shut down, but there was no pass rush and the Bears WRs dominated the Packers DBs. Whenever he dialed up a blitz the Bears picked it up and a Bears WR was wide open. So he backed off, rightfully so. He can't call the plays and execute them the same time!!! Our high paid star players need to show up, but only Raji did. Datone Jones is terrible, he is probably the worst of the rookies drafted in rounds 1 - 5.
The real question is, why has Quarterback guru Mike McCarthy not developed a QB other than Rodgers for the Packers, and even then I would argue he was lucky to get a once in a lifetime player. He wanted Smith back when he was the 49ers OC !!! The failed experiments with everybody, including Flynn, show that there is nothing to show for. But hey, I'm glad we are all thinking that Seneca Wallace just needs a few practice reps to be a great QB!!! F it. This season is over, despite a great run game.
November 05, 2013 at 08:33 am
It's nice to see guys get opportunities to play and all, and overall I've been impressed with the "next men up", but I'm just so f***ing sick of injuries with this team. Every. Damn. Week.
November 05, 2013 at 08:40 am
yep. and I know nobody wants to talk about it with the #12 injury, but TJ Lang being out is bad. Real bad. Now we have to endure Newhouse at RT. Gosh is that guy bad.
November 05, 2013 at 08:48 am
Lang has played some really good football for us this year. I don't want this to come across as uncaring about the real impact of injuries, but from a games-missed standpoint, at least it's only a concussion. He might even be back this week.
November 05, 2013 at 10:16 am
Short week.
November 05, 2013 at 01:18 pm
i hope so. Actually after he left the run game slowed down quite a bit. Barclay was fine, but Newhouse got no push whatsoever, and that was against McClellin...
November 05, 2013 at 01:48 pm
It's hard to say how much was the change in personnel and how much was the Bears realizing that they didn't in fact have to defend the pass at all.
November 05, 2013 at 10:19 am
Agree, Newhouse looked shockingly bad. Really disappointing.
November 05, 2013 at 08:35 am
Man, Aaron sure does go from "I LOVE this team" yada yada yada to "No heart" and "Fuck him" and "Fuck him" in a blink, doesn't he?
If I want to here reactionary yelling from someone who had one too many during the game, I'll stick to my brother-in-law thank you very much.
Anyways, to me the difference in this game is obvious. One team planned for a rainy day and had a backup QB that could do some things, another played with fire with its backup situation and got burned. Badly.
And Aaron was tweeting out "Eyeroll" when someone reminded that TT could have signed Matt Flynn weeks ago, but now he's advocating going after him? What's with that?
There were "moments" during the game where execution mattered. Casey Hayward missed a big 3rd down tackle, Tramon whiffed an INT that could have pushed us over the top, but most of that is window dressing.
The real story is that Packers management was borderline negligent with the backup QB situation. In today's NFL, it's not a luxury, it's a necessity. For the life of me I can't figure why they were so cavalier about it. It could cost the Packers the season.
November 05, 2013 at 08:50 am
I'm pretty sure that if the Packers had had two weeks to prepare Wallace to start (as the Bears did with McCown) he would have looked very different.
November 05, 2013 at 08:52 am
I don't know about that - McCown looked just as good when Cutler first went down.
November 05, 2013 at 08:58 am
That's a credit to Trestman. There's a reason he's the "QB whisperer". He's phenomenal at making average QB's look good. He'd do the same with Wallace. I think think the play calling was suspect. We'll just have to see how things look next week.
November 05, 2013 at 09:36 am
True, but I guess my point is that, given time to prepare, I bet MM and Wallace can do better than they did.
November 05, 2013 at 09:37 am
Oh, I would certainly hope so. haha.
November 05, 2013 at 10:04 am
I think so as well. I'm upset with the gameplan and results, but I'm not stupid. This team will come out firing and will have a very good shot at a victory against the Eagles.
November 05, 2013 at 11:34 am
The game plan had to be scrapped when Rodgers got hurt on the 1st drive. After that the only gameplan was Lacy left and Lacy right w/ a little Starks up the middle. The entire passing part of the gameplan basically went out the window after Rodgers injury!
November 05, 2013 at 12:15 pm
the game plan was great. Without the injury to #12, he would've carved up their D. With the running success of Lacy and Starks even against 8 man fronts, the Bears D would've had to chose of stopping the run and leaving WRs 1-1 or dropping back in coverage and letting Lacy run wild.
Plus, the Packers O would've kept scoring, which would've put pressure on the Bears.
That's what is so maddening, and what Steve Young mentioned. If that running game gets going and you have a player like #12, the O is really tough to stop. For the first time since Ahman Green we have a legit NFL RB, and now this. I am convinced we'd have gone to Detroit with a 9-2 record. Now, it'll be more like 6-5.
November 05, 2013 at 08:48 am
For all those fans mad about how were reacting. Grow up. You adults. And so are we. We are 'fans' who get mad when we should be. This is a maddening loss. Im sure there is a kid blog out there somewhere
November 05, 2013 at 08:58 am
I'm pissed. Everyone's pissed. Losing to the Bear's is the worst. My point is don't go from praising the team's grit after Ws to saying "No heart" etc. after the first moment of adversity. Or knock yourself for all I care, just don't expect many to respect your "analysis".
November 05, 2013 at 09:19 am
Lol to be fair i have said nothing bad about this team. I was justvpissed in general. I was actually praising lacy ALOT. though barclays needs to be benched
November 05, 2013 at 09:34 am
Barclay graded out positive and was our 2nd best run blocker last night behind Quarless. He'd been shaky the last few weeks, but did a fine job last night.
November 05, 2013 at 11:18 am
Sure looked awful in pass blocking from what i could tell. McClellan had 3 sacks. He had .5 on the year
November 05, 2013 at 09:30 am
How about kudo's to Lattimore on the blocked punt & his part on side kick recovery. Also Crosby came through whenever needed and great execution of that on side kick.
November 05, 2013 at 10:17 am
Lattimore might start over Hawk next year.
There, I said it!
November 05, 2013 at 01:21 pm
No way Lattimore starts over Hawk. If AJ's many limitations have not led to him being replaced after 8 years, there is no way TT's boy is going to be replaced until he decides to hang them up.
November 05, 2013 at 09:32 am
No worries, tensions are running high for good reason. And yes, Lacy is indeed a man amongst boys out there. We only need to look to the hapless Vikes though to see how that'll play out unless we figure something out at QB.
Also makes it sting more that the Pack looked SO FUCKING GOOD on that first drive. Dominant. Surgical. Annnnd fleeting. SUCKS!
November 05, 2013 at 11:10 am
They suck!
November 05, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Nagler, you still hungover? I don't care!! You've got alot of explaining to do. Alot of angry people here over your abusive behavior last night!! Quit hiding with Bob McGinn and show yourself!! I demand it!!
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 12:07 pm
To quote Nagler, "fuck off".
November 05, 2013 at 03:54 pm
You are hilarious. Also, why the fuck do you always sign your posts with "Longshanks"? Fucking ridiculous.
November 05, 2013 at 12:15 pm
How dare you!!
Longshanks
November 05, 2013 at 01:26 pm
Seneca Wallace sucks...Tolkien..who the hell is he? Didn't he write, LOTRs?
BRETT FAVRE IS THE ANSWER...He will win these games...but if he gets in there, Awad isn't getting his job back...
Favre will take the Pack back to the promised land and a SB...and Rodgers can nurse his injury and drink his milk. Favre never would have gone out with such a sissy injury...Hell, he can play in his CROCS and short pants and take the Pack to the playoffs while scarfin' on some RIBS...Favre eats NAILS for breakfast and sh*ts them out for lunch to shingle his roof...
FAVRE = SB, baby..
November 05, 2013 at 01:32 pm
That's why I like this site is because Aaron Nagler is not a homer. He tells it like it is. He's a passionate Packer fan like I am...and he calls it the way he sees it. And he's right on the money 95 percent of the time.
I'm reading through all of these homer comments and it's hilarious.
Do homers know they're homers?
November 05, 2013 at 05:29 pm
Sorry to burst your bubble Jordan. Aaron is a homer and I am guessing he would tell you so. Just because he calls it like he sees it, doesn't not make him a homer. He writes for and helped create this site( I think). Pretty much everyone who writes for and reads this site is a homer, just varying degrees of it. Including you. Just a gut reaction.
November 05, 2013 at 06:09 pm
Did anyone seriously think that all these injuries wouldn't catch up to the Pack?McCown had 2 weeks to prepare and has been with Bears for 3 years. Newsflash ,Mulumba and Palmer will not make the pro bowl roster this year. Or will M White or Quarless. C'mon maaaann! We need guys back and soon.
November 05, 2013 at 06:43 pm
Um, Aaron....are you ok? I do not think I have seen so much cursing from you -- as I retired soldier, it does not hurt my virgin ears but not used to this here. I do NOT agree with the outcoaching point. The loss of ARod hurt on both sides of the ball -- he is THAT good. Capers game plan is predicated by injuries on that side of the ball, as well as the O. ARod is a rare talent, one that impacts all phases of the games - including the psychological and removing him from the equation caused significant disruption in both game plans.
November 06, 2013 at 07:39 am
Beep, I got your newsflash. BTW, my name is not self-bestowed. Someone started calling me that in High School, and it stuck. Some people would know exactly who I am upon seeing it. I don't mean to claim general greatness. As to Mr. Nagler, I did not doubt his football knowledge. I disliked his delivery of it. I go to movies even though I don't like the star personally if the star is a good actor. This website has good articles, and quite a few of the commenters are good too. I look for Paul Ott Carruth's posts, and some others too, even those who seem to me to be a bit harsh. I have even (GASP) changed my opinion after reading articles and posts here. I would be happy to buy Mr. Nagler a beer, and it won't bother me a bit if he chooses to cuss as much as he wants - at a bar. BTW, I really didn't think Mr. Nagler was going anywhere due to my comment. Mr. Nagler is listed by Bleacher Report for which he writes as an expert on the NFL and in Linkedin as a professional writer, thus I assumed he would hold himself to a higher standard.
As to Barclay and McClellin's sack of Rodgers, not sure if Stroh disagreed with me or with Jordan. I indicated that Barclay successfully pushed McClellin wide and past the pocket, but failed to try to cut of the pursuit of Rodgers. I guess I think that is the same as not engaging him long enough.