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Gut Reactions: 2013 Week 16

  • We're all Eagles fans tonight. 
  • This team almost overcame the fake punt and the horrific pick 6 to come back and win. 
  • That said, almost only counts in horseshoes and atomic bombs. 
  • Hard to watch Flynn hurry his throw to Boykin when he had Jordy open on the slant on the last play. 
  • The defense played well enough for the Packers to win. Lots of points on the board, but they were put in some tough spots and answered the bell more than I ever expected. 
  • That said, I hate how Dom sits back in quarters coverage and rushes four in the red zone. Ben had all day to find receivers down there. 
  • I can't wait to see Hyde and Hayward healthy and in the same secondary. 
  • Tough to see both Clay and Eddie go down to previous injuries. 
  • Speaking of which, I'm sure seeing both of them get re-injured will cause all the fools calling for Rodgers to play to carefully reconsider their position. 
  • AJ Hawk played well, including that incredible interception. Just a hell of a play. 
  • The offensive line played extremely well for the most part. TJ Lang in particular was active and really did a good job of getting to the second level. 
  • Mike Neal's play on the 3rd down screen to Miller was just incredible. What an athlete. 
  • M.D. Jennings clearly has compromising pictures of someone important in the Packers' organization. Only explanation why he still sees the field. 
  • Nick Perry's encroachment was karma paying us back for the absurdity that was the "batting the ball" play earlier. Yes, it was probably ruled correctly, but it was still a crazy cheap way to get a score. 
  • James Starks looked deadly quick in the muck. 
  • I still love this team. 
  • Go Pack Go. 
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Mr Smith's picture

Well... Go Eagles I guess.

JJB's picture

My gut reaction. Let's draft players with over 20 on the wonderlic test.
Cut Jenning and Newhouse tomorrow
If TT fails on another first round pick fire him
Flynn still sucks
Lacy is awesome
IR Rodgers I don't want him playing behind this online
Come on Bears win. Packers done deserve to be in the playoffs

Matt's picture

I would talk you off the ledge but I'd rather you jump.

Get your negative ass out of here!

cLowNEY42's picture

I'd rather lose in the first round of the playoffs than have the Bears get in.

murphy's picture

This may be the best contribution you've ever made to this site.

I salute you, and agree wholeheartedly.

Bears still suck.

Bryce's picture

Troll

tao li's picture

New house had an extremely high Wonderlic test

Jeremy VanDerLinden's picture

I dont think I would call you a Packer fan. You want the Bears to win the division? Weak. Bears fan.

GrnMachine's picture

Not even COW42 would pray for a Bears win. You, sir, are a useless tool. Your license as a Packer fan is hereby revoked!

Nerd's picture

This team has been shitting itself for years. Normally, Aaron has the ability to win these games despite it all.

This is why it is NOT ok to play like crap even if you win. It catches up with you.

ST completely conceded this game, and no one has feared this defense in years. Except maybe us Packers fans.

Wenis's picture

McCarthy and his clock management skills strike again. How can you not inform Flynn the clock starts when the whistle is blown to start okay again? Oh yeah I know how, when your coaching staff has no idea themselves.

Nerd's picture

Same EXACT thing Flynn did in that legendary game when he "almost" beat the Patriots.

WKUPackFan's picture

The entire staff has to admit that mistake. It may have been difficult to communicate in the chaos.

However, the referee should specifically have told Flynn the clock would be starting. It's an unusual enough situation to merit such notice.

Nerd's picture

Or, Flynn could pull his head out of his ass.

Stroh's picture

Or you could... How does it make sense to penalize the Packer 3 ways for one infraction? It was a dead ball foul. So take :10 sec and the yds, but you don't take :10 AND run the clock. THat makes Zero sense! If you're gonna do that you might as well say it :30 sec and the yds. Running the clock on a dead ball foul is just IDIOTIC! Leave it to the NFL to keep ruining the game!

Point Packer's picture

I agree, Stroh. But rules are rules and Flynn/MM's clock mgm't was shit as usual as the end of the game.

Evan's picture

I was fine with the Pack running the clock down toward the end because I didn't want to give the Steelers anytime. It was 1st down at the 5 with like 20+ secs left. The penalty screwed it all up.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Yeah, I really don't get the rules. Why does the team get penalized 2x's for 1 play. That is just stupid.

IMO it should be an either or type of penalty. The defense should be able to chose what penalty they get. Either 10 second run off or yards.

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

the referee did announce that the clock would start when he placed the ball down and then blew the whistle. Maybe Flynn did not hear it? Still, Flynn should have known and been told by the coaches.

Gary's picture

Maybe McCarthy assumed that Flynn didn't have his fingers in his earholes when the ref anounced to the scoreboard controler, the entire stadium, and the tv audience that the clock would start at his signal.

WKUPackFan's picture

Glad to see positive gut reactions. Exciting game, great effort. Still have a chance, go Eagles.

Nerd's picture

This team never gives up, I'll say that about them. Problem is, they can never seem to have enough adversity.

It's almost like they seek it out.

jeremy's picture

That's what happens when most of your players don't know the rules and half of them don't know the scheme...

Nerd's picture

Because it only happens with the backups? lol

THEMichaelRose's picture

I know it may have been too little too late, and there were 100 game-changing plays and events before this. But, have to call out clock management (Flynn and/or coaching) for not getting 2 plays off at the end. Reminded me of hopeless feeling watching Joel Stave try to spike it at ASU

QOTSA1's picture

Those penalties on Barclay and Perry are really inexcusable, but the team played hard, and it was a fun game to watch.

It sucks for the Packers that the Eagles don't have anything to play for tonight.

Mike's picture

Playoff Seeding

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

Lang clearly fired out first (i.e. false started) and then Barclay joined in. Ref just called the wrong number. Or maybe the refs are just used to calling penalties on Barclay.

The TKstinator's picture

EDS said after the game that he was late on the snap in which 67 (but it should have been 70) was called for false start.

He also said he was ready to snap the ball right after the 10 second runoff but the ref told him to "hold up"; thus only one play instead of two.

Crap!

James's picture

Like I said before the game began. Thank you TT for screwing us. Thank you for our losses. Thank you for not allowing AR to play. Remember this, and some of us will pursue this relentlessly....you caused this TT. We don't care what AR does next year. We don't deserve the playoffs next year. This year we did. You prevented us from going where we needed to go. So, have a nice day.

Nerd's picture

Ted is the only reason we're still in it.

Mike's picture

Agree

Without his draft and depth mentalities, this team would be 5-10 right now

Barutan Seijin's picture

That they're 2-5-1 rather than 0-8 in that stretch is somehow a credit to TT? Not seeing it.

Evan's picture

"Thank you for not allowing AR to play."

So stupid.

cLowNEY42's picture

I've never considered myself to be a "TT can do now wrong" guy, but...

Sure coulda' used...

Rodgers
Matthews
Lacy
Bulaga
Finley
Cobb
Harris
Jolly
Hayward

...tonight.

Where do I go to sell my soul for 1 healthy season?
Is there a kiosk in the mall or something?

davyjones's picture

Gee...I kinda wanted a soul for Christmas....hmmmmm.

Nick's picture

Word.

Tundraboy's picture

Couldnt put it any better!

Phatgzus's picture

eBay has been known to sell souls, I'm sure they'll gladly take your request. If not, there's always the Apple Store.

murphy's picture

And as I read down the thread, I realize that I must salute you yet again; these non-Chicken Little comments are refreshing.

That said, the Soul is a nice vehicle but you're not going to get much for trading in. You're better off selling private party.

Norman's picture

We don't deserve playoffs NEXT year? WTF? Please tell me, who DOES deserve to make the playoffs next year? Give up much?

The TKstinator's picture

James, you are not smart.

Sir Cheese's picture

Fire Mark Murphy too! ps you're an imbecile James

Brut11's picture

TT needs to look at more than the draft to fill all the holes on this team. Please, let's not waste the years Rodgers has left.

Bearmeat's picture

This was a bad loss. And the most frustrating thing is the the Bears fans are GLOATING!! Like they have ANYTHING to brag about. We lead the league in starters games lost to injury AGAIN (including our offensive and defensive lynchpins) and they're 1 game up?

Congrats?

Bearmeat's picture

Oh, and GO EAGLES!!!

Nerd's picture

That's what happens when your team consistently shits itself. They become a laughingstock.

murphy's picture

Every NFC North team has shit itself this season. No fans in this division have much to brag about this year.

Bugeater's picture

I HOPE they're gloating. That will make it even sweeter when their Bears lose tonite and then the Packers come into their house and end their playoff hopes AGAIN.

Sweet indeed.

TommyG's picture

We are all eagles fans tonight.

Our secodary still sucks.

Go Pack Go!!

The TKstinator's picture

24-3, Phi, at the half...

Bugeater's picture

I too love this team. What an entertaining game! This is one of the reasons I enjoy football...yeah, the score isn't what I wanted, but the back and forth was tremendous. Each team got good and bad breaks. Made spectacular and stupid plays.

Anybody who says this team is soft or quits is dead wrong. That was answered on the field today.

I hope the Eagles can knock of Chicago tonite. The Green Bay Packers deserve a shot at the playoff next week.

Nerd's picture

I enjoy a close, tough fought game.

But not one where my team looks like the Keystone Kops.

Neither team wanted this victory.

Bugeater's picture

I disagree with that - I think both teams were pushing themselves and trying to make things happen...pressing does that. I think you say two teams with a whole lotta heart duking it out.

Nerd's picture

Defense did seem like they were actually trying today, unlike the entire month of November.

The TKstinator's picture

+1

Brut11's picture

If Caper's defense isn't the problem, then are the players too stupid to get it?

Stroh's picture

Maybe its too complicated to allow them to play freely w/o worrying so much about assignments?! I don't know what it is... But I DO know this happens everywhere Capers has been in charge of the D. So my inclination is to put it on him!

The trend w/ Capers is too familiar at this point. Do great for a year or 2 then completely fall apart. Its happened EVERYWHERE he's been in change of the D!

Lucky953's picture

A valiant effort but Matt Flynn's mistakes were the main reason the Packers lost this game. Go Eagles!

Edward's picture

Flynn had a bad game. So did jones at ILB and MD Jennings. Also Quarless.

Stroh's picture

Seemed like Jones got benched to me. I saw an awful lot of Lattimore today. Same w/ Richardson for that matter.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Ok, if they want to start Jones, I get it a little bit. He isn't absolutely horrible, but he is by far not great. IMO, Lattimore is a lot better and deserves to be playing.
But how in the hell is Jennings still starting??? What the hell has he done to deserve to start? The last 3 games he has been benched in favor of Richardson. How the hell is Richardson not starting?

Stroh's picture

I have no idea... Ask Capers. Pretty sure he's the one who decides who plays when. Been saying for a LONG time Lattimore should be starting ahead of Jones (since almost the 1st game Lattimore took over for him). Same w/ Jennings, tho I haven't been as vocal about it (I let you do it for Richarson!).

RC Packer Fan's picture

I have been saying that as well Stroh. I have been saying for weeks that Lattimore and Richardson should both be starting.

JJB's picture

Oh and on more thing. The whole NFC north should be sent to the cfl. None of these teams deserve to be in the nfl

Stroh's picture

And Seattle did when they had a losing record but qualified for the playoffs? And a home playoff game?

At least the Packers or whoever wins the NFCN would have a .500 record or better! And the Packers have played w/o the best player at the most important position in sports.

murphy's picture

"And the Packers have played w/o the best player at the most important position in sports."

When did they lose their goalie?

*ducks*

Stroh's picture

Franchise QB = Franchise Goalie...

Either way you don't win in the playoff, or possibly even make the playoffs w/o one. I know the QB touches the football on every play. Whereas the Goalie only touches it when the other 5 players on the ice didn't prevent it. Take your pick... Mine's QB!

2 share owner's picture

@ Stroh, wasn't that the Rams? Not sure, just checking.

Arlo's picture

Many, many WTFs in this game. Packers got some breaks and still lost at home against a losing team. Hard to believe that the NFC North could still have their champ at 8-7-1.

Al's picture

The offensive line did good? Sure seems like there was a bunch of holding calls. How many?

Mike's picture

We consistently run for a lot of yards despite teams keying in on the run. And its not just Lacy ... Starks has been effective as well.

They must be doing something right. Heck they must be doing a lot right.

Ebongreen's picture

It was a good game - but I see (again) why Flynn is a backup. After being spoiled by AR's pre- and post-snap defensive reads, Flynn looks like a deer in the headlights.

The ball must come out on time, or you must cut and run. You must actually read the defense to know which receiver gets the ball. I don't see Flynn doing these things with any consistency.

We'll miss Eddie and Clay, but we've already missed Aaron and probably the post-season. It's okay - there's always next year, and the Packers look like winners as long as AR stays up. :)

Arlo's picture

You're right. Flynn is at his peak & it's just not good enough. Hopefully an off-season will clearly elevate Tolzien over Flynn next summer.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Flynn is a 4th string QB. What more would you expect from a 4th string QB?

cLowNEY42's picture

It was just a matter of time before one of Flynn's passes straight to the sideline got pick-sixed... I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often. Like 70% of his passes are straight toward the sideline inside of 6 yards. I understand why... just sayin'.

Mike's picture

Flynn is an OK back-up who will give you a chance. No better or worse than that. Would be more confident with him than Tolzien.

No team with a genuine elite QB can afford to be without them for a long period of time as the team is built around having an elite QB.

In season previews people would say if we lost Rodgers then the season would be done there and then. You aren't going to get much better than Flynn in this spot.

WKUPackFan's picture

I find it difficult to fault Flynn on the turnovers. Quarless runs into him, just a freak play. On the fumble he's trying for a crucial first down, gets hit from behind.

jmac34's picture

MD Jennings starting every game is reason enough to fire dom capers. Seriously this guy gives up a big play and gets benched after three series every game and yet he starts every game.

Evan's picture

I said the same thing. What the fuck is Dom doing with Jennings?

Edward's picture

MD Jennings is the goat of this game. He's absolutely terrible on D and ST. Cut him.

Nerd's picture

At least he finally moved Perry over to the right side.

Of course it took losing Clay to make it happen. lol

Point Packer's picture

It is absolutely amazing that MD Jennings has a job in the NFL, let alone a starting job on a high level team. That guyis so awful, it is simply astonishing. I just can't figure it out. And then I watch Richardson play, blow coverage on a guy who hasn't caught a pass all season. And then I think to myself, we don't have one competent starting safety on this entire team. Yes, that includes Burnett.

Edward's picture

Richardson is a playmaker when it comes to tackling and playing the run. He might not be great in pass coverage but he's better than MD.

With Lattimore and Richardson out there, the defense was able to get a few stops. The TD drives came against Jennings/jones.

Al's picture

Yes it is very hard to say anything bad about the defense sense they Made 3 Crucial drive stops. The fourth and one effort was terrible though. And the last few play calls were ridiculous by MM. I am okay with not spiking it down the field but to run the ball twice and wear the clock down was not good. Then Flynn Was clearly confused on the last play. When the ref blows the whistle you should be hiking the ball not just making the calls. He ran the last 10 seconds down just standing there

Nerd's picture

The defense did much better than I expected, I'll give them that.

They totally sucked shit, but they did actually show up and try to get it done. They also make some key plays and got some huge stops.

Richardson looked GREAT in run support. Although we all know who's gonna still be the starter.

Evan's picture

The false start was on Lang, not Barclay.

It looked like Lang was getting off awfully quick several times during the game.

JJB's picture

And chinadoll is a waste of a big contract

Nerd's picture

I don't get the reference. lol

This team has many injured players.

cLowNEY42's picture

Clay.
And I agree w/JBB.

GrnMachine's picture

So we should let our best defensive player go 4 years after drafting him?! Explain yourself.

Bugeater's picture

That's really a pretty ridiculous statement. Matthews is the cornerstone of the defense and rightly so. You really think he shouldn't have gotten a big contract? What would you be saying if we'd let him get away? I mean, he's several times the player Cullen Jenkins is, and we STILL hear people whining about letting him go.

Point Packer's picture

Sure, when he's actually on the field. And even then, our feature defensive player has gotten dominated by no names this year. Chinadoll is over-paid and over-rated.

The TKstinator's picture

I disagree.

Bugeater's picture

Clay Matthews time and time again has shown the ability to force his will and alter the flow of games. He's playing injured - that is limiting him. As soon as he's healthy again he'll look like we've come to take for granted.

Point Packer's picture

I hope you are right.

cLowNEY42's picture

"As soon as he’s healthy again ..."

That's the thing - Never. Healthy.

murphy's picture

While we're at it, let's tear up Rodgers' contract too. Guy has been healthy, what, like *half* the season?

HUMP's picture

2nd and goal from the 3 with 40 sec left and you get ONE FUCKING PLAY OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is as equivilantly RETARDED as starting md jennings at safety for any professional team,for even one game,not to mention an ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stroh's picture

Your comment, like all of yours... RETARDED!!!

HUMP's picture

THAT SAID.if eagles win,the steeler loss has the same amount of relivance as a pre season game

Derek in CO's picture

I thought Morgan Burnett had a decent game, MD Jennings = terrible. Loved to see Richardson and Lattimore playing agqin. BJ Raji = overwieight, overpaid POS. Flynn had a bad game. Special teams, kick coverage in particular, wa awful. Not enough Jordy, Starks, or the screen game. Our run defense again was just awful.

Mike's picture

So we are going to finish around .500 despite a crazy long injury list including our franchise QB and star defender (Clay) and there is someone out there suggesting we should fire TT not to mention all of the coaches.

Love to know what would happen if we had a bad team one year. Public executions ? People need to accept we aint going to win it all every year - there are 31 other teams trying to do the same thing.

The end of the game was a mess up, only thing in their defence is Flynn and co will have had roughly 1000 things going round his head and only a few seconds to process them. Flynn obviously isn't great in this situation but a back-up isn't going to be great at everything.

Clay's picture

Thanks for sanity Mike!

We have our backup for years to come as far as I'm concerned.

tbigsky's picture

Tell me why we're rooting for the Eagles. If the Packers some how make the playoffs they're toast in the first game.

cLowNEY42's picture

Keep the Bears out.
Simple.

Bugeater's picture

Because if you don't play in a playoff game you have 0% chance of winning. If you do play, you have a least a chance. I'll take that chance.

Barutan Seijin's picture

At the very least it gives you one more Packer game before the long offseason.

Besides, think of delivering the Bears a big fat, season-ending, playoff-denying L at Soldiers' Field. What could be better?

steven's picture

14-0 eagles

Wenis's picture

Yup the Boars appear to be folding.

Bugeater's picture

Phi: 143 total yards
CHI: 4

Bugeater's picture

I LOVE the Eagles! 21-0. They're putting the wood to the Bears!

The amazing thing is that if the Eagles win, this loss to the Steelers today is meaningless stat-wise. And I think the guts and heart that the Packers showed versus the whupping the Bears are receiving could go a long way to setting up a strong Packer finish.

Wenis's picture

If Da Boars lose we get another week of the " Will Rodgers play circus".

Packers management should be called to the carpet for continuing this charade.

Bugeater's picture

I can live with that. It's totally fine by me! I just want a chance at the playoffs next week. And I really believe if the game if for the playoffs Rodgers will play.

lennysmalls's picture

No doubt. And if he doesn't play, which I suspect he won't because he's seriously injured and not healing faster than normal, it will be a result of a less-than-effective PR situation by the Packers organization.

Phatgzus's picture

When will people get it through their heads? The Rodgers circus is not the organization's doing, it's the media. If you don't like it then don't listen to it. Problem is people like to have something to be offended by/annoyed about. Admit you love it or stop paying attention to it-it's that simple.

steven's picture

Packers beat bears and go on to win the super bowl!!!. I can kinda see this. Again.

cLowNEY42's picture

My kids received a bachelor's degree in "inappropriate verbiage" after that Raji penalty.

They earned their masters after the one by Perry.

Point Packer's picture

I silenced a whole section of a bar after my Nick Perry rant.

Stroh's picture

You should be very proud.

Point Packer's picture

My rant was as disciplined as Nick Perry's on field "smarts".

Stroh's picture

I was responding to Cow... Not you.

Point Packer's picture

Fair enough.

Phatgzus's picture

I got a crash course in tv circuitry when I threw my old one out the door.

cLowNEY42's picture

"That said, almost only counts in horseshoes and atomic bombs. "

You can pull "horseshoes" out'a there when playin' Papa Cow. Close ain't gonna do it. That dude's $$$$$$$. Bastard's 75 and I still can't beat him... Then after every ringer I gotta hear how he's so good because he used to pitch in his 12" softball league... salt on wound.

steven's picture

Got to give t.t. credit for grabbing hyde

Point Packer's picture

Yep, he may not be fast, but he is fast enough. Right Cow?

Stroh's picture

Now move him to safety to compete w/ Richardson and we might have something to get excited about. But Hyde's play as a CB isn't really worth being excited by itself.

The TKstinator's picture

I would love to see Hyde moved to safety and compete with Richardson. I can't see MD lasting much longer in the starting lineup or on the roster for that matter.
I'd like to see how a better running mate would elevate Burnett's play. (I would have loved to see Burnett alongside Collins; is there some kinda curse that prevents GB from having two good safeties at the same time?)
And, if GB can add one or two other "good" defensive players I'd take them at any position.

cLowNEY42's picture

They would have won if had the speed of an average NFL corner... just sayin'.

WKUPackFan's picture

So true!

Fiscr's picture

Micah hydr return showed pure will he is such a winner He's the fourth first rounder in this years draft. Hyde lacy bakh and Boyd

Stroh's picture

Just imagine of that was Cobb. He would have scored on the return!

steven's picture

What did you mean? Elaborate please

Digital Tucker is he real's picture

i believe if there was a draft redo one more year from now that hyde lacy bak and boyd would go in first round- boyd is a reach but one more year

steven's picture

I would agree on all but boyd. Havnt seen enougj

HUMP's picture

interesting note from the past.....2010,packers are one play away from elimination,in week 14,giants vs philly,all giants have to do is punt ball out of bounds to end game and eliminate packers,instead giants punt the ball to desean jackson and he returns it for touchdown on final play of game.....and packers win out and become world champs......NOW philly vs bears and pack is on verge of elimination if bears win,which should be slam dunk since philly has nothing to play for,but instead philly starts kickin serious ass.........just noteworthy is all

Stroh's picture

Actually Philly has something to play for tonite. Win and play DallAss for the NFCE next week. Otherwise good point...

The TKstinator's picture

Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize to anyone who was offended by my Monty Python-esque insults directed at those fans whining about playcalling during the live blog. I should know it's gonna happen, especially in such a close contest. It comes with the territory.
Now if you'll excuse me I've got to go select a shrubbery.

Stroh's picture

No need to apologize. Complaining about play calling deserves to be called out! Just proves what they don't know but should!

murphy's picture

Message for you, sir!

"The bares still suck!"

Bugeater's picture

Well, it certainly looks like next week will be for all the marbles. Against the Bears. Against the team that knocked Rodgers out. This is gonna be one for the history books!

CtSharpeCheddar's picture

Fly Eagles Fly to the road to victory,fly Eagles Fly get touchdown 1.2.3.etc Bears/ Packers 4 25 est next week for the NFC North crown.The gut don't matter this week

CtSharpeCheddar's picture

Da Gut don't Matter dis week

lennysmalls's picture

Supposing the Eagles win, which looks like a real possibility here, does Rodgers come back next week in Chicago?

larry valdes's picture

I'm very proud of the way the team fought what I cant believe what wrong with the coaches they don't see that md Jennings is jeopardy in the game st the same and Newhouse both of them need to be of the team hope clay and lazy can play next week along with Rodgers. Go eagles

Paul Ott Carruth's picture

The much maligned Dom Capers had his defense put the offense in position to win this game. Capers will most likely be let go at the conclusion of this year but then again Slocum has stuck around long enough despite having ill prepared special teams so maybe McCarthy needs to fall on his sword for Capers too.

Today was the clearest example of why Mike McCarthy should not have the head coaching title and the primary play calling responsibilities. Frankly, I don't think he's cut out for either but one needs to go.

The Paul Hackett/Marty Ball philosophy reared its ugly head again today....this time in the red zone. The defense gave the ball back to McCarthy on the 3. They couldn't score. On first down he brings in his Tank personnel and just as predicted, runs 94 Blast. Why? Because that's McCarthy. He learned under the uber predicatble Paul Hackett who is as far removed from true WCO in terms of personnel utilization and strategy as can be. It's not like McCarthy doesn't have a play action pass off of this. Fake 94 Blast Wing Quick Drag U Corner. 4 Horse Y Corner Hot U Snag also would have been a nice call. As it turned out we ended up scoring of Power O but make no mistake....the Packers got a gift off of that blocked FG. Tomlin had every right to be upset. Pittsburgh had possession and the lateral ensued. Bad call.

The clock mismanagement at the end of the game is all on McCarthy. You folks can blame Flynn all you want but McCarthy has communication with Flynn through the headset. Atrocious.

The run game looked good with a heavy dose of 94 Slash and 96 Stretch Boss with a sprinkle of 99 Truck (that's the little toss to the outside...typically run from single back but Green Bay likes to run it from the shot gun now). Stretch Boss is outside zone and 94 Slash is inside zone to the TE. 94/95 Bob Spot is inside zone to the weakside with the FB leading on the Will. Didn't see much of that today.

My biggest complaint, as it has always been, is the play design with this coach. Hackett has always been known as conservative and McCarthy coaches the same way. Conservative is really a poor term to describe them though. A more apt term is predictable. McCarthy brings in heavy personnel and you know it's a run. It makes scouting the Packers very easy. As I type this I'm watching the Eagles throw from tight formations and run from spread formations. Chip Kelly is moving his pieces around like a chess master. It's fascinating to watch. Yes, the Bears defense is bad but Kelly really understands personnel groupings and how to gain tactical advantages.

So now the charade will continue. Rodgers will practice and will not play. It will be an "organizational" decision that McCarthy makes. If this was Ted Thompson pulling the strings the $100 million dollar man would not be receiving snaps, handing off football or throwing the ball. I understand you all believe I'm nuts to assert this but do you honestly believe Rodgers would be practicing if this was a Thompson decision? He would've been shelved long ago. This is pure McCarthy ego. I don't buy the "he wants him to play" charade. This week was McCarthy's chance to prove he could do it without Rodgers. He failed. Now, if they fail against the Bears the whispers will begin. How good of an offensive strategist is McCarthy? How much does Rodgers compensate for McCarthy's inadequacies as a play caller? If Rodgers, by some miracle, starts this week, and the Packers win those same whispers will persist. It will be, "see I told you Rodgers was the missing piece." This week is certainly going to fun as the circus that has become "Rodgers Watch" persists.

packeraaron's picture

<em>It will be an “organizational” decision that McCarthy makes.</em>

You can keep typing this POC. It doesn't make it so.

Rodgers is not medically cleared. If he were, McCarthy would play him.

Agree with every other word of of your post though.

Paul Ott Carruth's picture

Medical clearance has nothing to do with organizational decisions. When it moves to the realm of "organizational" the doc has said he can play but there are risks. This is no different than weighing Lacy's ankle. McKenzie will assess the severity of the injury. If it falls in to the "it's structurally sound" category it then moves to the pain tolerance and effectiveness of the player and chance of further injury. This is how "organizational" decisions are made. If McKenzie says "nope" not structurally sound" it is out of the hands of the coach. No further tests are needed. It really is that simple. A coach cannot override the decision of the team doctor although coaches do try to pressure team medical staffs. Not as much today but in the 80's......whoah boy. A ton of pressure. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

cLowNEY42's picture

Or the Packers have realized how much heat their team Dr. has been getting in the press so they've decided to band together, call the decision "organizational", and spread the "heat" around.

But, hey - your McCarthy resents Rodgers story is way more exciting... let's go with that.

By the way - I thought the Pack shoulda come out in Jumbo and run it 3 straight times from the 3. I was pissed they threw it on 2nd down because that means they had to throw again on 3rd.

Also - Chip Kelly and Mark Tressman (another one of your favorites) get to play "chess" BECAUSE THEY HAVE CHESS PIECES TO PLAY WITH! AND THEIR OFFENSIVE LINES DON'T NEED HELP!

In the past MM has been very creative with personnel, packages, and formations. You think maybe it isn't happening this season because they have a rookie RB, a TE who's playing his first season in 3 years, a QB that's been on the team for like a month, Boyikn at WR, a rookie at LT, and an undrafted 2nd year player at RT?

Same goes for Capers - tough to get creative and have everyone on the same page when there is zero consistency regarding personnel availability.

MD Jennings is bad.

Paul Ott Carruth's picture

Spreading heat around? Ah...nope. McKenzie has more medical knowledge in his left pinky toe nail than all of the press combined. No need to succumb to "pressure" of media who's closet brush with playing doctor most likely came around the table playing the game "Operation." If McKenzie says he's not medically cleared I'll take the doctor's expertise over mine. Problem is....this is now organizational and not medical and medical only. Huge difference.

I don't think McCarthy resents Rodgers but make no mistake both have HUGE egos and have come to blows about play calling and offensive flow.

Jumbo personnel would have been fine too. Still too predictable with 94 Blast though.

Trestman and Kelly don't have an abudnace of chess pieces like you think. Any more so than McCarthy has at his table. The Eagles and Bears have comparable offensive lines to the Packers. Evan Mathis is a juggernaut I tell ya. Lane Johnson....look out. Not to mention that star Allen Barbre. The Bears...wow, Kyle Long is a 10 year All-Pro. Wait...he's a rookie too. Jordan Mills is the 10 year All-Pro. What's that...he's a rookie too? You don't say.

McCoy, Lacy, Forte. All pretty good backs. Lacy will most likely win OROY. Quarless, Bennett and Celek. Seriously. Did Quarless forget how to play football?

The Bears have legit #1 and #2 receivers but Nelson and Jones are not chopped liver. The Eagles have Jackson and Cooper. The Packers lack that slot receiver right now so I'll give you that but Boykin vs. Cooper. Push.

I don't make it a habit to call out or attack other members of this board but in your case I'll make an exception since you've so willingly attacked my posts my insulting my intelligence. I'll do so as well. Do you even understand this game? I'm serious. I've never criticized the coaching staff for poor player peformance. The interception by Flynn was not a result of the play call. A dropped pass is not on the coach. You need to understand the difference between a performance error by the athlete and a strategic deficiency by a coach. You clearly don't understand that and trying to explain it to you would take an eternity (now you know why I'm so verbose). If you want to talk serious football I'll be happy to do so. But do so respectfully. Frankly, by the comments of others on this site, they're getting pretty tired of your schtick. Easy with the caps lock.

cLowNEY42's picture

POC - All I'm saying is that MM has been hamstrung, when it come to offensive creativity, by the lack of consistency in regards to personnel availability.

The Bears and the Eagles have pretty much everyone in place that they did when they opened camp. Yes - the QB's have changed... but Foles and McCown at least got to go through a full offseason immersed in their teams' systems.

Foles&gt;Flynn
McCown&gt;Flynn
Cutler&gt;Flynn
Forte&gt;Lacy
McCoy&gt;Lacy
Bennett&gt;Quarless
Celek&gt;Quarless
Marshall/Jeffery&gt;Nelson/Jones
Probably go with Pack wr's over Phi.
Eagles OL&gt;Packers OL
Bears OL&gt;Packers OL

You still think MM would be this predictable if he had Cobb, Finley, Harris, Bulaga?

Hey - I'm not a giant MM fan. I just think you might be a bit hard on the guy's playcalling. When was the last time he had all of his pieces? 2011? How'd the O look that year?

zeke's picture

"If it falls in to the “it’s structurally sound” category it then moves to the pain tolerance and effectiveness of the player and chance of further injury."

Isn't the "chance of further injury" likely the determining factor here? There are different types of fractures; some more severe than others. I saw something on the twitterverse today that mentioned spiral fracture, which is a whole different animal and with (potentially) more severe consequences if it doesn't heal properly.

Unrelated, I enjoy your comments due to the fact that I typically learn something about football that I didn't know, but it seems that you are extrapolating a lot from the sideline argument between Rodgers and McCarthy. There may very well be tension between them, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the scenario where they are all sitting in the room giving Rodgers the green light and McCarthy says, "Nah, Flynn gives us a better chance to win" with a straight face. I just don't see Thompson ceding that kind of control to his head coach.

The TKstinator's picture

How do you know the names of all those plays?

4thand1's picture

Time to get fuckin organized.

Paul Ott Carruth's picture

I'll just say that I'm well versed in WCO. Hackett and subsequently McCarthy run the exact same style of WCO. Hackett took what he learned under coach Walsh and add to and tweaked it. What Paul would call 14/ 15 Bob Spot is what McCarthy calls 94/95 Bob Spot. 90 series runs are typically run from the I formation or Green as it is called in the Holmgren branch of WCO. Hackett runs the Bob play from I formation but keeps it as a teen series run. There is variation between WCO coaches. The biggest difference is in philosophical approach among WCO coaches.

4thand1's picture

What about the wishbone? I see the back with 3 in the backfield a lot.

Paul Ott Carruth's picture

It's not wishbone or even inverted wishbone (there is not such thing). Color analysts will say that to give viewers a frame of reference. It's a balanced I formation. Teams will call it different things. I've heard it referred to as Joker and Jack. A two back backfield with an offset FB or H Back is referred to as King or Queen depending on where the FB is offset. Queen away from the TE, King to the TE.

Paul Ott Carruth's picture

Clowney42....fair enough. I guess we'll have to disagree on strength of personnel among the teams. At the end of the day you ride with what you have. But good coaches/strategists maximize their players abilities and scheme to minimize deficiencies. It's harder to do on defense but on offense it can and has been done. Linehan in Detroit should be doing better than he does but he isn't. Foles is a 2nd year back up in a new offense. McCown was a back up in a new offense. Flynn has played in this offense. It isn't foreign to him.

I"m hard on McCarthy because I see a stale offense. Flynn has limitations but instead of playing to his strengths he runs the exact same schemes as if Rodgers was under center.

Edward's picture

POC... Do you just use that monniker for purposes of the forum or are you the former GBP RB from the 80s?

Either way, I really enjoy your commentary and blogs on this site.

Completely agree with your analysis on MM's tendencies to show his hand based on his formations. In the goal line series you described, he went from running Lacy behind Daniels/Raji to empty backfield on 2nd &amp; 3rd downs. I would prefer leaving Lacy in there as single back for 3 downs for the threat of run/pass.

Lucky953's picture

You certainly know your football. Thanks for posting, but I'm not sure I know what Flynn's strengths are. This is his fourth team this year, right? It looked to me like he audibled out of the run on the INT and never got out of the way. Quarless was just doing his job. Flynn's accuracy near the goal line on the couple of fades was atrocious. His accuracy is really erratic. That said, I do miss joe philbin.

Wenis's picture

Thank god I am not the only one who notices the Martyball mentality that has infected McCarthy and his play calling.

Stroh's picture

Mike McCarthy rated #6 HC in the NFL...

NFL… #6

“The NFL’s most relentlessly aggressive play caller has been nothing but a success in Green Bay. The Packers haven’t finished out of the top 10 in scoring since 2006, McCarthy’s first year running the show.”

CBS… #6 “Another coach who calls a game with confidence.”

Yeah lets dump him and get more (or is it less)?! Your chances of finding a better HC are much slimmer than of getting a Worse HC! He's delivered a SB and has ONE losing season in 8 years. I can see why he should be fired... Commmmmooooon man!

Paul Ott Carruth's picture

Then you have to take the same stance on Capers. He coordinated a championship defense. Those rankings you cite are joke. Stats like that are good water cooler talking points for the general public. The Packers had the best offense in 2011 and were shutdown by the Cover 2 of the Giants. Stats meant nothing then. The problem with stat analysis is that you can cherry pick it all day. Good coaches know how to use the personnel they have to have a functional offense. That doesn't necessarily translate in to championships but it does mean utilizing personnel that is outmanned to make it competetive.

As far as coaches who I find to utilize their talent creativly? Greg Roman is pretty good. Bevell will get a head job in 1 more year. I know you dislike him but he runs a nice WCO. David Shaw is good too. I particularly like Mike Leach although I'm not sure of his ability to coach in the NFL. Good mind though. Carmichel in New Orleans is good. Whisenhunt has done a nice job in San Diego. He doesn't run WCO though. But to me it's not about WCO or Erhardt Pekins offense. It's creatively moving your chess pieces around to get your best athletes the ball. Reid does it and Kelly does too and both come from different offensive trees. It's easy to move the ball when you have talent everywhere. It's more impressive when you don't have all those pieces yet still have a functional offense. It's the difference between Linehan and Trestman. One is in a position to win because he used a pawn at QB to go 3-2. Same goes for Foles. He was a back-up in a new offense. The book is still out on his long term prospects but you can't deny his success and that can be attributed to Kelly and his staff.

Mojo's picture

Without reading all the comments, I don't know if anyone brought up this point; with the Bears way behind the Eagles the Packers were better off losing today.

Because if the Bears lose with the Lions already having lost, the Packers will still play for the division and playoffs next week. That we already know. But if they do lose next week, this weeks loss moves them up in draft position. So by losing with their division rivals doing the same - GB benefits.

CtSharpeCheddar's picture

You really know how to sop up all the gravy from the plate don't cha

cLowNEY42's picture

Awesome.
Also - what are the chances Flynn woulda won 4 in a row?
Now he's only gotta win once.

mark's picture

post of the day. thanks mojo!

steven's picture

See you guys next week for the playoffs!!! Eagles thank you.

4thand1's picture

There should be no bitching. 2 awful penalties cost the game. It happens. I'll take Flynn for a back up any day. Quarles made a huge mistake. This team has been inserting players in and out all year. MM may even get a lot of consideration for coach of the year. Either way with the Bears getting hammered its all coming down to week 17. LolLoins, tytytyty. Keep the faith , GOPACKGO.

CtSharpeCheddar's picture

No one want this division,not the Bears Lions, Pack and certainly not the Vikes.They should give it to the Cardinals.Maybe move them back to Chicago

4thand1's picture

MM has guts. Calling a run trying to catch Pitt off guard almost worked. Everyone would have been singing his praises. They should have gotten off one more play at the end though. I was pissed.

4thand1's picture

Go to Packers .com. Eds said the umpire told him to get his hand off of the ball. He said he was ready to snap it right away to get 2 plays off. WTF

WKUPackFan's picture

Just as could be expected, it appears the last play was a total cluster you know what by almost everyone involved. Playing to run the time out while trying to score makes me very nervous. I realize it's a good strategy, but it's scary.

CJ in Guatemala's picture

I don't comment much.. but the following I don't agree with: "Nick Perry’s encroachment was karma paying us back for the absurdity that was the “batting the ball” play earlier. Yes, it was probably ruled correctly, but it was still a crazy cheap way to get a score."

If the refs get the correct call 4 downs prior to it, they rule Bell's fumble AND recovery from GB as a TD. I am well aware that because it was ruled down by contact, the play ends there.. but on my opinion, even if it was a cheap way to get a score, it was rightfully our score to have so to speak.

At the end it didn't matter that much anyway... On to next week to the NFC North Championship.

P.S. The Bears Still Suck!

The TKstinator's picture

Lacy, Rodgers, Cobb, Bulaga, (Sherrod?)...when this offense is intact it oughta be well above average.

Really can't wait to see 12 and 27 sharing the backfield. Balance. Pick your poison.

RunAndHyde's picture

Sorry took so I have been busy haha. Anyways....so yeah way to suck bears, and thanks for making the steeler game irrelevant. Only thing that matters is that Clay n Eddie got hurt. I don't see Clay playing again this year and that doesnt hurt as bad as losing Eddie....I hope hes ok....who knows. Props to Neal ,Hyde,JJ,Boykin, and Starks. We lost our beast to injury and Stark steppes right up.to the plate and delivered. Negatives....wow our penalties killed us! That batted ball play saved our ass for a little while, and what the hell up.with Tomlin?Why do you not run out the clock and kick he damn ball?

ArodMoney's picture

"I don’t see Clay playing again this year and that doesnt hurt as bad as losing Eddie"

Are you serious?

RunAndHyde's picture

Um yeah ....we did ok without him and hr hasn't been the same since he came back. Eddie has gotten us where we are now..so ...um yeah I'm serious and most would agree.

cLowNEY42's picture

I agree with R-N-H.

RunAndHyde's picture

Damn skippy

RunAndHyde's picture

And also...like I said the other day I'm starting to think the NFL is really rigged. I mean AR comin back to play against the same team that took him out ..for the NFC North? Hmmmmmm

RG's picture

Who says Rodgers is coming back next week? If the scans showed significant risk for him playing last week, I doubt if it will be that much better this week.

Rigged? If that was the case, don't you think they would have had the Packers win so that the Bears/Eagles game wouldn't matter? Unless you think the NFL had the Bears lose by 40 so that next weeks game had meaning.

wilsonmaywick's picture

...and you wear a foil hat.

RunAndHyde's picture

Oh so nobody finds it to be kinda ironic? Ok kiddies whatever you wanna believe.

mark's picture

and the standard 8 week recovery time for a broken collar bone has been rigged for years--all leading up to this moment.

A Dude's picture

The word is moronic.

4thand1's picture

This the craziest season ever. The Lolions eliminated themselves when the div was gift wrapped for them. The Bears still suck, and packer players keep dropping like flies. The Rodgers saga continues. If AR and Cobb play they'll win this north that nobody seems to want, but they'll have to do it without CM and maybe Lacy. My head hurts.

Edward's picture

Thinking back on the Packers first scoring drive...it was a thing of beauty. Balance, tempo, etc. Seemed they couldn't get that back for the balance of the game.

Wish MM would let Flynn go with the sugar huddle for dink/dunk drives. It's probably too WCO for his liking?

The TKstinator's picture

I don't like the no/sugar huddle (up tempo) offense since it limits possession time and thus puts more strain on the (insert adjective here) defense.

BigTim's picture

The game coverage by CBS was terrible! No sideline reports, injury reports or updates....the money must be tight there. Go Pack Go!

RunAndHyde's picture

Yea I said that too. They didn't even notice when Rajis huge ass was in the backfield.

RC Packer Fan's picture

And yet everyone complains when we have Aikman and Buck.

madmanJack's picture

i don't like MM pounding Lacy into the ground when they have a very good backup in Starks. he's taken way more punishment than he should have and now it looks like he may be out for awhile with that bad ankle.

The TKstinator's picture

I understand your point. I think Starks forms an ideal 1-2 punch. However, devil's advocate says that Lacy could re-aggravate that ankle on ANY carry, whether it be the first, tenth, 20th, etc.

Argument FOR heavy workload: "feed the hot hand; when you've got a big gun, you shoot it; let the guy get into a rhythm"

Argument AGAINST: "greater risk of injury; greater chance of wearing him down"

Really a catch 22. When GB wins, lean toward the positives, after a loss, lean the other way.

cLowNEY42's picture

Starks better not get hurt in the Bears game... we'd be looking at a Kuhn/Bell pairing... OUCH.

(Yes - I'm assuming Lacy will not play)

cLowNEY42's picture

Man, the defense is horrible.
They need players so so so bad.

Daniels has exceeded expectations.

Jolly exceeded expectations.

Hyde has exceeded expectations (although he's limited).

Hawk and Pickett and T. Williams haven't been great but they've been about what was expected.

Just about every other player has been a disappointment.

B. Jones
Perry
Neal (has shown strides, I guess)
Burnett
D. Jones (gigantic disappointment)
House (underrated HUGE disappointment)
Raji
Jennings (yeah - we all knew he was bad... but we didn't expect him to be THIS bad)
McMillian (think about this... they kept Jennings over this guy... wow)
Matthews (I was pissed when I saw him go down yesterday... then my wife said "what's the big deal? he hasn't really done much all year, anyhow." good point)

And I don't think this is a Chiefs - like situation where there's talent that isn't being used correctly... I just think they lack talent.

To me - the apparent lack of defensive talent is the most upsetting aspect of the season. I have a hard time thinking it's going to take any less than 2 full seasons to acquire enough talent to bring this defense back to a competitive level. Two more wasted years with Rodgers.

AndrewInAtlanta's picture

"Fools" may be a bit strong for those wanting Rodgers to play at this point. I get not playing him the first 7 or 8 weeks because that was the healing time of the injury. I would like to see him play this week. Flynn is a gamer but way too many mistakes and turnovers. Only one team from the Pacific northwest scared me in these playoffs and that team lost yesterday. It's wide open. Time to play Aaron

Albert Lingerfeld's picture

4 games in a row with huge holes in the defense and commentators all sayin, wow they cannot believe the big plays this defense is giving up consistently.
If they don't fire Capers at the end of the year and get a new defensive scheme and some players who can actually play defense, then they deserve to be at the bottom of the heap.

The TKstinator's picture

I just saw on NFL.com that GB has the 16th ranked defensive nucleus. I am always interested in outside assessments. Sometimes they seem ignorant and sometimes they provide a better perspective. This ranking would indicate the D has the talent to be at least average or respectable (when healthy, I'm assuming) and I sure wouldn't say the D has performed that way.

I'm smart enough to know that I am too dumb to suggest how to repair this, but adding a few stud defenders wouldn't be a bad idea. Who knows who they are? Navarro Bowman was NOT a "can't miss" prospect and folks out in SF are arguing he's better than Willis.
Shields was an UDFA. Richard Sherman was a 5th rounder.

See what I'm saying here?

Go Pack!

The TKstinator's picture

(Oh, and they ranked the offensive nucleus at #2, behind Denver.)

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