A lot of coaches have owned Capers... this season, last season, in 2011...

I'd have to say that Sherrod with a peg leg has to be an improvement over Newhouse.

If we can't beat the Queens, stick a fork in us. Strike team football at it's worst.

I am just really disappointed in this game. Agreed on the offensive strategy. If they're putting 8-9 in the box, throw it over their heads, don't pound Lacy into the pile.

Fluke plays have followed this team for years. Remember last week with Burnett and Williams "Keystone Kopped" themselves out of an INT, which became a TD the other way?

Dom showed he COULD get it done. After the half they were getting to the QB on three drives. Nothing else for the rest of the day.

Kuhn? You're swinging a screen out to KUHN? He's not fast enough to get two yards without the D converging on him.

I really feel as if Mike had NO CONTINGENCY whatsoever for losing Aaron. I like what I see in Tolzien, though.

Man this defense is abysmal. What injury accounts for this? Losing Nick Perry? Shields was out today, but in the last two weeks. UGLY.

"On the flip side, Kevin Gilbride just owns Capers."

Who doesn't? Noone is fooled by his stuff anymore. Even a fan like me sees what's coming about half the time. He doesn't have Collins and Woodson to make him look good anymore and he's got no response.

this was actually one of our better games in the new paradigm.

He who laughs last laughs longest...just a bit longer....and payback.

The defense came out so slow. They really started looking better at the end which is a nice change.

The offense just looked flat until we through down field. That has to be our game without AR. Run just enough to keep the defense honest, and then throw down the seam.

What a tough game to watch. We were so spoiled with AR.

I for one am not giving up on this team. Maybe the Packers let up a little when they found out Detroit lost who knows.

One person I loved was Scott Tolzein and his will to win. If everyone tried as hard as he did and played with his passion we would have destroyed them today. Sure he had a few Brett Favre type passes but for the most part this kid belongs.

I have no doubt now that MM knows he f'd up and should have went aggressive right away. He'll do it next week and Green Bay will win.

Longshanks

I thought.MM called a pretty good game. That throw to the flat is a staple for football in general, not just MM. And the fake punt was the right call at the right time, just 1/2 a yard short.

Rodgers. ...

Fire capers and let Greene run the show and keep him on the sidelines to kick ass.

This team has been absolutely abysmal since Rodgers went down. McCarthy and Capers getting tooled the last 3 weeks and especially McCarthy who still has the deer in the headlights look.

We all hoped for a 2-2 before Rodgers possibly coming back. That is out the window and they should just keep Rodgers on the bench. No need to rush him back for a lost season.

Only a fool believes things are going to get better.

This team is done. No fight in those guys. The DBs are terrible. While Tolzien has a competitive spirit, he simply isn't good enough to play in the NFL. Newhouse is, well, overmatched. If #12 is not the NFL MVP then I don't know. Without him, this team is toast. Imagine a regular season without him, and you are looking at a 0-16 team.
Next week even the Vikings will roll into Lambeau and come out with a 2 TD win margin.

One thing I would like to know is why our DBs seemingly have no idea who should cover whom, whether there is safety help, and what is going on in general. I've counted at least 7 situations when a Ginats WR just ran down the field, caught the ball, and after the tackle one could see 3 or 4 Packers somewhere lost on the field, not covering anybody. I think once even Johnston noticed it...

they couldn't bet the jags right now they suck ............

I don't know what game half of you were watching. Capers is no longer effective and this defense needs some major work. It is also apparent that McCarthy is a subpar coach that has been riding an elite quarterback's coat tails.

oh, and while I didn't mind the fake punt call, why is MD Jennings getting the ball? The least physical guy on the team? Come on man.

I hate the Ravens ...get in the endzone and beat the damn Bears! I hate this season.....Tolz is not as good as we thought. We are 5 and fn 5 ..gross. Later playoffs.

Watched the end of the Niners - Saints game. The Packers D looks like it's playing at half speed compared to those teams, and with half the intensity. Let's be honest - whether it's scheme, the players, draft and develop - this is a poor defense. I know there have been injuries, but that does not excuse the mediocre product this defense has become.

This team is hard to watch. Period. I hope for the best, prepare for the worst. It's like a preseason game with the roster we put out there. Thank God for the Leinenkugel's holiday sampler pack. Cause I don't know what I'd drink for 3 hours without it.

DBs just don't even seem to know who to cover.

So is that "coaching or players?" I guess neither have accountability.

The defense did not play well enough to aid in victory but they did improve from the last two weeks. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the offense. I think it is pretty clear that Aaron Rodgers makes McCarthy look good and not the other way around. Tolzien was able to push the ball vertical but instead of attacking the Giants with crossers or drive routes and no semblance of attacking in the air with the backs the offense was relegated to run, run, pass punt in the first half and most of the game. For all of the bluster to get rid of Capers don't forget to add McCarthy to that conversation. Good coaches help out their QBs. McCarthy has not been able to do that I seriously question if he ever will.

Tolz is not as good? WTH ...it's his first NFL start...wow, In case you don't know, there is a bit of a learning curve for NFL quarterbacks....

Nothing that 12 coming back won't fix...just hold still a bit longer

Perhaps the most important game is next week. We will learn a lot about how talented these subs really are. Hopefully shields can come back. But is Burnett really that good? Is House? Can Brad Jones get a sack, how about Datone Jones? How will Boykin do? Fire the strength and conditioning coach after this season, no question. Figure out what the lions and chiefs strength and conditioning coaches are doing, and follow that. And Ted, if your players can't take the field, then their value is reduced by the amount they are injured no matter how good they are, end of story. So pay attention to durability for god sakes. Get some men out there. You'll probably need to get some free agents that have proven themselves. Sorry but it's true, you're not a draft genius.

The fans have to bear the heartache of this team, because of TT and MM. There is nothing we can do about it, except suck it up and hope for the best. Play offs start next week end!

One game out -not looking good right now, but find a way to win against the Vikes, everyone use their turkey day wishbone wish on Rodgers being healthy and playing, and get to 11-5 or 10-6, sneak in with tiebreakers over lions and bears. This team just needs a spark to push them in the right direction, I truly believe we haven't seen their best football yet.

I just don't know what to make of this defense. Is it the players? Is it Capers? A little of both?

What a frustrating game on both sides of the ball, though.

Aaron Rodgers should be the unanimous league MVP. I had no idea the extent of the warts he covers up, and these aren't your run of the mill warts, this is like some genital shit Aaron has been hiding for the team. MVP.

Aaron, I agree with your gut reactions. When I knew the game was over, I was pissed and just sulking in the loss... Then I went, cleared my head, and realized that they are 1 game behind the Lions and the Bears.

Anyone that thinks either team is going to run away with it, good luck...

Packers play each team yet this season.

The season isn't over yet... In a couple of weeks it might be, but it isn't today...

PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS! I'm not worried about the playoffs, we have to win a game to stay above .500. If somehow they made the playoffs it would be one and done. I don't see Minnesota making the playoffs this year to be their first round opponent.

Next time the know-it-all's drool over Teddy T's managerial prowess, keep this fiasco in mind. The powers to be had decided that Graham Harrell was a good enough backup even after watching him stink it up in training camp and 2 preseason games. It is completely unfair to put Tolzein in this situation and have his confidence shredded - the guy deserves better. A healthy Rodgers couldn't win against the Giants for multiple seasons now; Tolzein racked up 300+ yards against that defense in his first NFL start. I think we may have finally found a legitimate backup.

Packers only have two problems:

Offense and defense

Nagler brought up a few things I wanted to touch on. Can't believe they didn't bring more pressure on Eli. When he gets time he's effective. But he doesn't want anything to do with a pass rush. Totally immobile unless there's no one in front of him(and I mean it has to be no one) Will go down like a sack of potatoes and curl up in a ball if he's getting pressured. Yet we let him stand back there and go over the middle all day long. Or maybe we just can't get a pass rush even going against a crappy o-line.

The other thing is, with six games to go and with a game a piece against the those other two teams, incredibly the Packers can still win this division. But only if Rodgers is back by the Lions game at the latest.

offense can be cured either of two ways:

(1) let somebody else call the plays; or,
(2) bring back #12.

defense is more complicated.

(1) need a new DC for sure;
(2) let him clean house;
(3) bring in a couple of defensive FAs; and,
(4) devote majority of next two drafts to defense.

If we continue on as we're going on defense, we will waste AROD's prime years. This guy should win two more Super Bowls. offensive personnel look good going forward. We need to take advantage of that fact by investing our next two drafts on defense. Get bigger in the secondary. Get faster at ILB. Find a real complement to CMIII at the other OLB position. Get more 2-way DL like Daniels and Jones. Pickett-Raji-Jolly aka 3 HIPPO defense doesn't work in today's game. Need athletes on DL, not HIPPOs.

To old, he's grabbin his waste after every down.

- Going into this game everyone and their brother predicated that GB would run Lacy up the middle. And what did MM do, continue to run Lacy up the middle into two straight three and outs right out of the gates. Brilliant and creative play calling from an offensive mastermind..

- On that front, those two red zone runs to Starks on 1st and 2nd downs during our third drive of that game that resulted in the Crosby field goal were great examples of god awful play calling.

- I've defended MM as being a great coach, despite having a great QB, for the first time, I'm starting to re-think that thesis. I'm not on the "Cow Train" yet, maybe just calling a cab to get to the station.

- WIth the exception of his well timed sack, Brad Jones got ran over today. He did not play up to his big pre-season contract.

- And neither did Morgan Burnett, again. The guy is not a playmaker, not a run stopper and not really a great pass defender.

- But at least he is not nearly as bad as MD Jennings whose most memorable moment of the afternoon occurred when he almost got drug into the end-zone by Andre Brown. And then he went back to his normal invisible the rest of the game.

- Only the Green Bay Packer defense and whoever he scored a few TD's against earlier in the season, would make Brandon Jacobs look serviceable.

- Despite the Giants injury riddled and underachieving offensive line, and with the exception of one drive, the Pack D got next to zero pass rush.

- And Clay Mathews is as guilty as anyone.

- As feared, Cruz and Co. had plenty of space in the middle of the field. We didn't "chase him into the end-zone", but Clay Mathew's club-less hand did next to nothing to pressure Eli.

- As great of an athletic effort that JPP pick six was, that play has been called about nine times too many.

- Tramon came to play. Very nice to see.

- So did Jordy, again.

- We ended up scoring a TD, but Kuhn's directional choice after a rare great play call was absolutely horrendous. He could have crawled into the end-zone if he went outside, but instead, he decided to seek out as many G-men as physically possible.

- Why is Lattimore not on the field more?

- At least we play the only team in the NFL playing worse than us right now next week. Thanks MN.