June 19th, 2009

Greatest Packer QB All-Time: Bart Starr

Corey B. in Arnie Herber, Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Cecil Isbell, Lynn Dickey

That is the truth no matter what some elements of the Packer Blogosphere might want you to believe. Aaron warned us about this Top 12 list from the Ol Bag O’ Donuts Packer Blog when they snubbed James Lofton. I think the snubbing has gone way too far.

I ranted about it Wednesday night on Cheesehead Nation. Bart Starr is the greatest Quarterback in the history of the Green Bay Packers. Then I see someone has done the work for me:

While jonspike87’s video gets 1 & 2 perfect, from there it’s a downhill slide. Rejecting Arnie Herber for Don Majkowski at the 5 spot feels false and forced. Herber won 4 of the Packers 12 World Championships, how many did One Year wonder Majkowski win? I love the Majik man, and I mean no offense. Just take one look at the Packers QB All-Time record fact sheet. Then read Arnie Herber’s page & Cecil Isbell’s page. I think one could make a serious and substantial argument for Herber at 3 or 4. He most certainly is in the Top 5.

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Why is Randy Wright not on this list?

jerseypackfan said in June 19th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

I hate to downgrade a man who had his career curtailed by injury, but I find it really difficult to put Makik in the top 5 who really had only one solid season for the Pack. Heck, Terdell Middleton had 1116 yards rushing in 1978…should we put him in the top 5 RBs of all time based on one season?

1. Starr
2. Favre
3. (tie) Herber/Isabel
4. Dickey
5. Rote

I think what makes it hard to put Herber/Isabel on there is that they split Don Hutson’s career. I can’t see not having the quarterback(s) for the greatest WR in NFL history not on such a list, so if you put them together, honestly, they are right up there with both Starr and Favre.

L.A. said in June 19th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

I was always partial to David Whitehurst myself

Andrew in Atlanta said in June 20th, 2009 at 12:02 am

You guys are not paying attention.They stated at the beginning this not for single wing but modern day quaterbacks.

ctpack said in June 20th, 2009 at 7:57 am

Great film, need to be longer! Make way for Rodgers.Love the footage of Dickey and the Majik man.

ctpack said in June 20th, 2009 at 8:11 am

I think we can quivel over Starr v. Favre but I probably would agree. However, I also agree that putting Majik on the list is not right. One of the reasons there are not that many to choose from in the modern era is that we had three QBs who took up nearly 2/3 of the modern era. I would say Starr, Favre, Dickey and Rote and just call it a top 4.

Kevin Purcell said in June 20th, 2009 at 8:54 am

ctpack- I know but they titled the Video TOP 5 QB’s and ANY list no matter what disclaimer you put cannot just willy nilly disregard them by putting a little video disclaimer that they played a different offense system/type. Not when it comes to the packers because there are things like most consecutive years leading the league in td’s or completions that are able to track to today’s game for comparison.

Corey B. said in June 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am

That aside, that video kicks serious ass.

Aaron said in June 20th, 2009 at 9:56 am

Jersey – for the simple reason – he is Randy Wright.

LA – dead on. My favorite and first QB hero Tobin Rote deserves mention.

Rating Packer QB’s is much like the teaching of revisionist history in the schools today. You’re trying to apply standards of today to the reality of the past. The standard should be just what contribution to his teams’ success did he make? With that in mind Bart is far and away the best. Favre at 2 is good and Cecil and Arnie at three makes sense. The four NFL titles are the second best in Packer history.

Ron La Canne said in June 20th, 2009 at 10:38 am

Ron- I agree with your assessment completely.

I wish my Grandma & Grandpa Behnke were still alive. They would have had the greatest quotes for this article having seen every Packers player play in their lifetime.

Corey B. said in June 20th, 2009 at 11:00 am

Where’s John Hadl, Jerry Tagge and Scott Hunter?

In all seriousness, it’s nice to see Lynn Dickey getting some love. I think he tends to be forgotten sometimes because the team wasn’t all that good back then, but he could play.

bucky said in June 20th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

5 – Lynn Dickey
4 – Cecil Isbell
3 – Arnie Herber
2 – Brett Favre
1 – Bart Starr

The reason for Dickey is that he still holds the single season passing yardage record of the franchise. Herber is ahead of Isbell because he’s a Hall of Famer.
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Great vid. BTW, have you seen the vid where Herber brakes the glass? Pretty amazing…

PackersRS said in June 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Favre’s career is not over. If he gets busted for performance enhancing drugs his ranking is rankled. I really suspect that all the retirement/unretirement is just a way of ducking steroid use. Retired players dont get tested.

bomdad said in June 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 am

I wrote an article about this 5 months ago. Although it was for Bleacher Report and I put it up for a vote, my vote was for Herber as 3rd best.

Here’s what I wrote for Herber:

Arnie Herber- A member of the Pro Football Hall-of-Fame, he played in the 1930’s and played before there even was a position called quarterback. Herber was the first great long thrower in the NFL and his success paved the way for truly “modern” quarterbacks like Sammy Baugh and Sid Luckman.

When the NFL started keeping statistics in 1932, he led the league in passing, and did the same in 1933. In 1935, Don Hutson, the first true wide receiver arrived on the scene and Herber and he set numerous passing records the next few years. Herber led the Packers to four championships during his 11 years with the Packers.

For the 11 years of his 13-year career when in which the NFL kept records, Herber played in 129 games, started 56 games and completed 481 passes in 1175 attempts (40.9%). He threw for 8041 yards, 81 touchdowns and 106 interceptions.

Full article:
http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....e-or-starr

JerseyAl said in June 22nd, 2009 at 10:59 am
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