Generating Cap Space For 2024

How much salary cap space should the Packers generate depends on philosophy and how one views certain players.

 

In my previous articles, I outlined the Packers current salary cap space.  To summarize, I had the Packers $10.964M over the salary cap limit which comes into effect on March 13.  Since then, the NFL announced that the salary cap limit will be $255.4M instead of the previously projected $242M, a gain of $13.4M.  Tom Peleserro also just reported that the Packers had restructured Rashan Gary to generate $4.781M in additional cap space.  Those two announcements mean that the Packers are currently $7.216M under the cap.  They need do nothing else prior to the start of the new league year, and that is good because it allows the Packers to explore trades, use June Designations on releases, and to see who is available in the free agent market and at what price.

I also previously calculated that the Packers would be $28.441M over the cap for week one of the season (after the expenses of the draft, PS, Piggy Bank, 52nd and 53rd player contracts are added in).  With the higher cap limit and the Gary restructure, the Packers still need to generate $10.26M in cap savings prior to the start of the season.  [Ken Ingalls believes the Packers are $11.529M over the cap for the beginning of the season - I am assuming he did not include the Gary restructure savings.]

A word on the Gary restructure.  The Packers reduced his base salary from the scheduled $1.3M to $1.125M and converted the difference ($175K) plus all of his $6.2M roster bonus to a signing bonus to generate $4.78M.  They did not add a void year so the signing bonus is divided over 4 seasons rather than 5 years.  Therefore, it is not a max void year restructure, just a simple restructure into the existing years on the contract.  My belief is that the Packers viewed Gary as the "safest" player to restructure.  He is still young, he is unlikely to be a cut candidate over the next four seasons, and he has been a hard worker and a good teammate.  

AMOUNT NEEDED: $11M Or So - Amount Desired: $28M to $33M More

The Packers thus need roughly $11M by the start of the season and then a substantial amount to sign their own free agents and some outside free agents.  My own view is that the goal should be $28M to $33M more at a minimum (numbers which I don't expect to age well) such that the Packers have $14M to $17M to spend on free agents after Love's cap number increases by $3M or so due to his upcoming extension.  That is not based on cap wizardry, just a simple seat-of-the-pants calculation.  I think the team needs two free agents who can be plus starters.  Perhaps one is a safety who signs for $9M AAV and a player at some other position who gets $11M, a total of $20M.  The first year cap numbers used by the Packers have often been between 50% and 70% of AAV on multi-year contracts going back at least a decade.  [Those with long memories will remember  TT signing Julius Peppers for $8.67M AAV and assigning a $3.5M first-year cap number of just $3.5M, or $40% of AAV.]  Anyway, those two big free agents might have first-year cap numbers that total $12M (60% of $20M), leaving the Packers $2M to $5M to sign some smaller free agents.  

That said, there is nothing wrong with being fiscally conservative and deciding that the Packers should be frugal in order to get their cap situation fixed completely in time for the 2025 season, something Jersey Al alluded to in his last Confessions of a Polluted Mind article.  Maybe there should be just one significant free agent signing rather than two.  That's a matter of philosophy and one's evaluation of the team's chances in 2024.  I underestimated the 2023 team, but I see multiple holes on the 2024 team.  Then again, I was not impressed by the Chiefs or the 49ers: it seems to me that the Packers can compete with the best.

GENERATING CAP: 

Campbell:  After March 13, I expect the team to release Devondre Campbell with a June designation (teams can't use the June designation until the new league year starts) to gain another $10.57M or so (leaving $7.91M dead in 2025).  Of course, the Packers could use a straight release to gain $2.60M, with no dead.  Choosing the latter option would be the fiscally conservative option.  I suspect that Campbell and the Packers will part ways, but no matter what happens, I expect to get some cap savings here.

Aaron Jones: Everyone expects to get some cap savings from Jones.  Many expect a pay cut, though I would nix a straight pay cut if I were Jones' agent.  However, Jones appears to love Green Bay so perhaps something in the $3M to $5M range is possible.  Jones is due $11M in cash.  I think he can get $7M or $8M on the open market with some more guaranteed money in 2025 if the Packers cut him.  I see no reason to take a straight pay cut for just one year - he will just be older with more miles on him when he become a free agent in 2025.  An extension is more likely. 

Kenny Clark:  I do not expect Clark to play on his current contract.  His cap number is $27.49M and he is due $17M in cash.  Clark is well-loved by fans, but frankly while he has remained a good player he hasn't been worth $17M for at least 3 years.  He is on the last year of his contract (though he has 3 void years).  The Packers will want to reduce his cap number by $5M or so, but I think an extension is the only viable method of getting cap savings.  I should think at extension at $14M to $15M AAV would be reasonable.  It might be a little dicey suggesting that the extension should represent a pay cut over his current contract, but perhaps they can bridge the gap with incentives.

Elgton Jenkins:  I would prefer to leave his contract relatively untouched.  He has not been playing like the second-highest paid guard in the NFL, though that might be due to injuries.  He is due $9.7M in cash.  Perhaps a modest restructure to free up $3M.

Jaire Alexander:  Ditto.  Jaire is due $16.0M in cash.  I would not do much with his contract.

Preston Smith:  Ditto.  Smith is due $12.4M in cash.  I would not do much with his contract at age 32.

Bakhtiari:   The elephant in the room.  A straight release with no 2025 dead money generates $20.935M in cap savings and provides an easy path to getting to the desired amount.  $20.9M from Bakh, $10.57M from Campbell (($31.5M so far), $4M from Jones since they are going to do that in almost all realistic scenarios puts the team in that $35.5M generated area.  Even if they do a straight release on Campbell to eliminate the $7.91M dead in 2025, the team would still be at $27.6M in cap generation, and could get the rest from Jones, Clark, Alexander, and Smith.  

Four months will have passed since Bakh's November 8 surgery by the time the new league year starts.  It will have been 7 months by the time of the mandatory mini-camp, and almost 9 months by training camp and 10 months by the start of the season.  Can he pass a physical by any of those dates?  Can he suit up for a pre-season game and prove he can play?  I assume that Bakhtiari will have to give some team a prove-it year contract, why not Green Bay, where he can prove it on the grass of Lambeau Field?  Maybe they can get a draft pick for him.  I assume the Packers will just release him, probably early, bu they have options.   

Here is a look at what cutting the six highest-paid players (other than Campbell and Bakhtiari) plus Royce Newman.  Most of them them would be major surprises or even ludicrous, but Preston Smith would not be a total shock as some people have suggested that he is not a great fit in Hafly's 4-3 scheme.

RELEASES/TRADES:






Player

Save

Type

Dead

Clark

$17.0M

P/June Cut

($13.747M in '25)

Smith

$12.4M

P/June Cut

($9.881M '25)

Jaire

$15.6M

P/June Cut

($19.1M in '25)

Jones

$11.37M

P/June Cut

($6.638M in '25)

Jones

$4.67M

Cut/Trade

None in 2025

Clark

$3.232M

Cut/Trade

None in 2025

Newman $2.80M Cut None in 2025

Smith

$2.519M

Cut/Trade

None in 2025

I listed Clark mostly because of the size of cap savings.  I confess that I am not as big of a fan of Clark as most.  I recognize he is still a quality player but his days of being elite or even high quality ended in 2019.  However, with $17M in cap relief, the Packers could sign a better defensive lineman in free agency.  The problem is that the post-June release would leave $13.747M in dead money for 2025.  OTC has this nice table of cap savings.  Just be careful using it because not all of the relevant information is presented, as highlighted by their entry for Clark.  Yes, Clark's cap savings would be $17M because $10.49M in dead money (his 2024 SB proration) would be deducted from his scheduled $27.49M cap number, but no where does OTC tell the reader that there would be $13.749M in dead money in 2025 as well.  Use OTC's table with care.

Cutting Royce Newman saves $2.8M.  I previous indicated that I thought the Packers would not release Newman until training camp or at least until after the find out whether they drafted multiple offensive linemen.  I do not advocate for that: I would cut Newman tomorrow because I think he is Byron-Bell-bad.  As a note, cutting him saves $2.8M but since he is one of the top 51 players, a player making $795K would count under the rule of 51.  Indeed, all of the cap savings I showed above for cut or traded players would net $795K less than shown in the table.  

I also noted some trade scenarios.   Jones could be traded or Post-June released if the two parties could not reach an agreement that lowers his 2024 cap number from $17.028 to $12M or so.  Maybe the Packers will want more than $5M in cap savings, or Jones wouldn't take a pay cut or add a void year.  Clark could also be traded, but Clark and arguably Jones are overpaid, so the acquiring team would look askance at paying Clark $17M in cash or Jones $11M in cash.  Green Bay still might get a day three pick for Jones or for Clark.  Smith could also be traded if he is not deemed to be a fit for the new defense, and at $12.4M, he has a healthy salary to swallow for the acquiring team but it isn't wholly out of line. 

MAX VOID YEAR RESTRUCTURES:

Here is a look at using Maximum Void Year Restructures (MVYR) on those six players, with the 2024 cap savings noted first, followed by the player's new cap number for each year in the future and the dead money when the void year hits in parenthesis.  Note that MVYR require the consent of the player because it requires at least one extra void year and sometimes several.







Player

Save

'25 cap

'26 cap

'27

'28

Clark

$11.562M

($17.2M)

     
Jaire $10.659M $34.23M $36.77M ($7.74M)  
Jones* $7.792M ? ? ? ?
Smith $7.912M $19.487M $20.487M ($3.645M)  
Gary $5.10M $25.2M $27.70M $30.70M ($1.275)
Gary* $4.78M $25.52M $28.021M $31.021M N/A
Jenkins $5.84M 19.078 25.078M ($2.856M)  

[Gary* - this is what actually happened.  I used a 5-year void (1.275M prorations) in the table above but the Packers did not add a void year, so the actual proration were $1.593M over 4 years.

 

Otherwise, I think any cap moves come from extensions, primarily from Clark, Jones, and Bakhtiari, while the extension for Love probably increases his cap number.  I think Bakhtiari gets released, but if he accept a $5M base with loads of incentives all based on snaps played, the Packers could wait to see how his recovery plays out and still sign two nice free agents.  I will take a look at how possible extensions for Love and the others might look.  The largest increase in the cap in NFL history has given the Packers a few options. 

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NickPerry's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:33 am

Thank you TRG. The way you break this stuff down so my heads not exploding trying to make sence of all the cap ramifications is second to none. Thank you for all your contributions to CHTV. I for one appreciate them all! One thing is certain...THIS will be one of the most interesting offseasons in a while... AND, one without all the drama.

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Since'61's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:37 am

Great job as usual TGR! Excellent article packed with good information. It has clarified the Packers cap situation for me.

Based on this I would prefer for the Packers to sign a solid veteran Safety during FA and beyond that doing as much as possible to clean up their salary cap position for the 2025 season. Concerning BAKH they need to release him and possibly resign him as you suggest. If that can't work then it's time for the Packers to just move on. GPG! Thanks, Since '61

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:52 am

I pretty much agree.

I don't think GB should aggressively restructure their highly paid guys, though they can tweak out $2M or 3M from them each. OTOH, while I don't like that $25M cap number for Jenkins in 2026 if they do a MVYR now, if the cap grows to $280M in 2025 and to $300M in 2026, then $25M is only 8.3% of that year's cap. that would be the equivalent of $18M last year. It is not outrageous if Jenkins is a top 3 offensive guard.

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HarryHodag's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:34 am

Great work reynaldo. I'm with the mindset of riding out 2024 and get out from underneath the cap issues. The team as currently constructed beat the Super Bowl champs. Too much fiddling could result in a bad mix of personnel come training camp.

I'm not big on signing 'top end' free agents. Perhaps an affordable mid-range person at safety or linebacker. Keeping Aaron Jones one more year is key, along with drafting his replacement. With AJ Dillon likely gone, they might also look for a cheap running back free agent.

They need to unload David B. if for no other reason than to rip the scab off the financial wound his contract has become.

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dobber's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:19 am

If their plan is to play mostly a 4-2-5 version of the 4-3, I think they need to shop for a low-cost SAM who can eat some of the limited snaps or a hybrid SS/ILB to be that "5th" DB. Use the draft to fill and find guys to groom.

The LB room is awfully thin right now, and if Walker went down for an extended period, they'd be hurting...'course, it's February.

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PatrickGB's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:41 am

Great analysis. I might quibble on some details but a wonderful job my you!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:53 am

Hell, I might quibble on a few details if I read it again in an hour!

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stockholder's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:55 am

Getting rid of Clark before someone can fill his shoes
would be the biggest mistake this team could make.
Who else gets double teamed.
And still can sack the QB?

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Razer's picture

February 27, 2024 at 09:59 am

Totally agree. For years now he has been the only legit down lineman and he still plays at a high level.

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CoachJV's picture

February 27, 2024 at 07:56 am

Please... for the love of all that is football... get off the "Keep Bakhtiari" train. If you love the team, you'll let him go. He has not been a factor in 3 years and never will be again. Just get off that train.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 09:37 am

Mea culpa! It is mostly because I am a die hard on Bakh. I would at least like to consult with the medical staff in a couple of months.

Another minor consideration is that there is a long shot theory that Bakh could file a grievance if released. Since the Packers no longer have to decide early whether to release Bakh (they can sign some FAs in March with him on the roster), they could wait a couple of months until he can pass a physical. That should preclude the possibility of a grievance.

Just filing a grievance means GB gets $12M in cap relief instead of $20.9M. Bahk doesn't have to win to deprive the Packers of that $8M in cap savings. GB probably would not see the $8M until 2025.

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CoachJV's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:07 am

"I would at least like to consult with the medical staff in a couple of months."

C'mon man... even if medical staff cleared him to play, do you seriously think he will be effective after 6 surgeries, 3 years of rust, 3 years of age, millions of gallons of beer chugged, and likely not keeping his nutrition proper (as evidenced by the chugging) and that he will EVER revert to form? Or even be worth any millions of dollars?

Ask yourself... is this sentiment or reality?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:28 am

You will like this eminently reasonable article by Tex. Link below. I am largely unfazed by the article.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2024/2/27/24084664/packers-offseason-...

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:36 am

Did you miss the 1st game last year? He was the best O lineman on the field. Or the 11 games in 2022? Don't let anger/disappointment get in the way of reality.

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CoachJV's picture

February 27, 2024 at 01:08 pm

LOL.... He couldn't even complete the one game. He only played part-time... that's not even 1/17 of a season... My only anger is giving money to the freeloader.

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Coldworld's picture

February 27, 2024 at 01:30 pm

Let him file the grievance if he really is so minded. It just makes me wish we’d let him go last August and got something for him. It’s time to move on. Bakh has been very well paid and it’s time. He has been more than fairly treated by the Packers. If he wants to hold us to ransom after that, I want no part of him and I will take the 60% (12 million) now. Regardless, the times have changed. We need to continue to find out who Walker is or to find an alternative long term bookend T.

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Razer's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:09 am

The business side of me says move on. Generally, the Packers have a good reputation in dealing with their players. I would think that Bakhtiari would respect the patience and support the team has afforded him over these last few year. From the team perspective, assuming much more risk ($$$) should be avoided and this should be recognized by both sides. Fair is fair.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:05 am

I think I'd approach Bakhtiari about moving his roster bonus that's coming up. He has no reason to do so but did say he was willing to be flexible. They won't get more than a late round pick for him but even that wouldn't happen til he's healthy. Ask, if his agent says no you cut him with the June 1st designation. If he's willing to move it til he's healthy and you have the cap space you need for now it gives you some options.

This is probably a moot point, I'm guessing he'd rather have a say in where he goes but there's a chance he might after the last three years.

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CoachJV's picture

February 27, 2024 at 09:48 am

I'm sorry Chesty... But the fact that you think a "Post June 1" cut will make any difference in Bak and the salary cap this year, shows that you don't understand what you're talking about.
This is the final year of his contract, with no void years. We pay him the same amount no matter when we cut him because of that reason. If he had years left, that would change the Post June 1 designation. but in this situation, we owe him his guaranteed money no matter what.
Keeping him, even at Vet minimum, based on his availability, rather than his has-been status, is still too much money for the lack of production.... Just let him go.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:41 am

How about you read the article and get back to me?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 09:49 am

Bakh doesn't have a $9.5M roster bonus, as far as I can tell. I think that is a screw-up by
Spotrac, which has some other errors on Bakh's contract. Spotrac is also internally inconsistent as it noted in writing at the bottom all of his other roster bonuses and the year in which they are due but wrote nothing about a 2024 Roster bonus. OTC does not show a roster bonus for 2024.

If he does have a roster bonus, then you're correct. GB has to do a straight release prior to the due date of the bonus. Not a june designation - Bakh had no void years so there is no where to push out the cap. It wouldn't help GB's cap.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:46 am

I usually don't read Spotrac but it's possible I clicked on it by mistake. I think they might have an affiliation with Google because if you just click on contract without putting OTC Spotrac always comes up 1st.

Well that makes it easier. Hopefully he's healthy by minicamps and they can get something for him.

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dobber's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:10 am

Well done, TGR! Clear and easy to follow.

Firm believer in getting the cap healthy for 2025, but there are options in FA even using that as a driving force for roster building. Use that higher end draft capital on guys who they believe can contribute, assess them, then use 2025 cap to finish around them. Remember: the cap increased for everyone else, too. There's going to be a lot of bidding up, and a lot of agents counseling players to get that piece. Let teams squander their future caps on limited 2024 talent. Young and inexpensive is they way to go for 2024...and beyond.

Your comments on Clark are a little sobering. Yes, I agree in that he hasn't been the same guy, but can you replace him readily with in-house guys or with a draft pick? Certainly need to weigh the money v. the production. In all honesty, I don't see this defensive change making much difference in his play. If they deal him the receiving team will almost certainly re-do his deal...same with other guys you mark as trade candidates. The Packers have had a type over the years for their 3-4 DTs (6'3", 300-315lb) which means most profile to compete for limited snaps at DT in the 4-3. Maybe there's a logjam there that they think they can use to move Clark.

P. Smith's fit for this defense remains to be seen--he was a DE in college and played with his hand on the ground some in Washington--but he provides important depth, especially with Enagbare likely on the shelf for most or all of 2024. Brenton Cox never saw the field (and wasn't active), but they used a roster spot on him in 2023. His fit is also up for debate...but maybe either could play some limited off-ball SLB snaps in specific packages to create opportunities? If they cut or trade Smith--a locker room leader and all-around well-liked team-first guy--it says they expect Colby Wooden and others to soak up snaps at DE. I don't think they extend him...I think a pay cut is more likely if they're going to touch that contract.

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Coldworld's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:33 am

Clark is going to be playing in a different front and scheme. This time next year would be when we should plan to determine his value against contract. How will he be used, how will he play?

I’m all for recruiting for the future this year as far as possible and minimizing cap shunting into 2025 and beyond. Gary as a relatively young player was as good a candidate for this as we have. Other than maybe Jenkins, the others are not. Let Newman go. He’s not good enough and cheaper may be or may become better. If he’s on the season roster, we failed at OL recruitment. Campbell is a question of the assessment of past health and anticipated health. Cut or leave his contract alone depending on that. Don’t extend and don’t add dead cap to keep him.

FS or Post S is a position where rookies struggle historically. It’s a tough role to transition. Into the pros at. I don’t see an obvious candidate in the draft to buck that trend or a particularly strong class or class leader. For those reasons I would sign a FA. I suspect not a blockbuster but someone who can hold the fort and be competent. I’d then draft to find his replacement.

If we do cut Campbell, then maybe a LB in a similar vein. Otherwise get cap healthy and build depth of competition through the draft supported by UDFA and SFA/waivers. Keep the cap clean as much as possible and look to build more talent now to better focus it when this team is nearer to its peak.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:53 am

Clark will be fine. The Packers had the NT at 1 tech as much as 0 of not more. He might want to gain a little weight but it's a penetrating system so maybe not. The heaviest DT on the Jets is 309 lbs. We might see the Edge guys lose a little weight.

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Coldworld's picture

February 27, 2024 at 01:40 pm

I don’t really fear for Clark’s play but his contract is such that it needs to be justified. However,I do want to see what he does before we take precipitative action, either to rebalance the contract or extend. What I do not want to see is us thrust dead cap out till he’s 32 and then see him be less impactful under Hafley. Let it be this year and let him make his case visibly and act accordingly.

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Guam's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:41 am

Some people see P. Smith as a poor fit for this defense, but I have never seen any details articulated as to why. Smith gets pressure on the passer and he has been solid setting the edge against the run as an OLB. His biggest weakness as an OLB was in coverage, something he will not have to do as a DE. According to Justis Mosqueda, Hafley's scheme requires the DL to rush the passer hard and play the run on the way to the quarterback. I think Smith will be fine in this defense as long as age doesn't catch up with his speed.

So what am I missing? Why is Smith not a fit?

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CoachJV's picture

February 27, 2024 at 09:43 am

"Some people see P. Smith as a poor fit for this defense, but I have never seen any details articulated as to why."

People see him a a "Possible" poor-fit due to many reasons. First, everyone talks about his hand down in college, but that was 9 years ago, and rarely did he do it in Was. He has developed different muscle-memory, different skills, and a complete different mindset since then. Setting the edge and rushing the passer as a DE requires different angles, different gap-assignments, different strategy... all of which will no longer be instinct for him. It will cause him to play slow because he will have to think, rather than instinctively know what to do.

Another reason he might be a poor fit is that he is a little too big and slow to be a Mike, Will, or Sam... Maybe Sam... but it remains to be seen. He'd have to trim down and speed up, which is hard at 32 YO...

I hope he can stick, but I see him becoming a rotational player in this D.

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Guam's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:54 am

If Smith played a lot in a true 3-4 OLB position, I understand how your comments would apply. However most of the time Smith was in a four man DL with two down tackles in the Joe Barry defense. Yes, he was standing up versus having his hand in the dirt, but otherwise most of the angles and assignments looked like a DE in a 4-3 defense. I don't see as big of a transition versus if he were a true OLB playing alongside three down tackles.

Completely agree that Smith is not a linebacker in a 4-3 defense. That would be a tough transition.

I also see Smith as one of four DE's and he may not be a starter, but would see significant playing time as rotational player. His contract might be too large for that to last long, but I think he will be a Packer for 2024.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:56 am

He actually was pretty good in coverage most years. Allowed one completion in four targets last year but everybody remembers that one so that's the narrative. Do you blame Preston or the scheme for him not being able to keep up with Davante?

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Coldworld's picture

February 27, 2024 at 01:42 pm

So he’s the new slot? He’d be physical enough against runners and TEs. Nice wingspan too.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 02:16 pm

No, I'm just blaming Barry for that play rather than Preston. Not being able to check out of it was asinine.

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Guam's picture

February 27, 2024 at 01:58 pm

Do you really think Smith would be a good coverage LB in a 4-3 defense? Not disputing the coverage stats, but I just don't see Smith as a coverage guy. Much better as a DE. And with Enagbare out for much of next season, the Packers will need him as a DE.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 02:15 pm

Hell no, I'm just saying they dropped him in coverage because he was the best at it of the OLBs and you don't always rush 5. People that bitch about his coverage should ask themselves if they'd rather see Gary doing it because that was the option.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 12:11 pm

A writer on ACME doesn't think he's a good enough pass rusher in this new system. I'm not sure where he thinks they're going to get a 2nd or 3rd DE as good at it as Preston is. He was 2nd in sacks and tied for 3rd in pressures according to PFR. I don't think Hafley cares as much about hand in the dirt or not as getting to the passer. Unless they draft an Edge high that is ready to play I think it's going to be a big dropoff from the 3rd to the 4th DE so I hope we see a three man rotation that sees them getting a roughly equal number of snaps. Barry liked to switch from the 1st to 2nd team guys and didn't mix it up but I think Hafley will be a little more willing to change it up.

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CoachJV's picture

February 27, 2024 at 01:18 pm

If Smith is not able to acclimate to the new D, it will be a sad loss... EVERY time the D needed a Vet to step up last year, P was the Pro to do it. Sets a great example of being a leader too. His sack rate is fine... not the best, but nothing to sneeze at... I really hope they can find a way to use him effectively.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:13 am

Thanks. On Clark:
No, I don't think they have the horses to replace Clark internally. I like Brooks and Herman thinks more highly of Wooden than I do. Slaton ain't Clark. Some mocks have DT-3 Tyler Murphy dropping to 25. I don't love the idea of relying in whole or even significantly on a rookie. Some say Murphy at 6'1" and 300 lbs is a little undersized for GB. I do know I am not enthralled by the notion of giving an extension to Clark for his age 29, 30-, 31-, 32-, and 33-year-old seasons. Perhaps there is a good FA - should be if they are willing to use Clark's $17M in freed cap space, but with the 2025 dead money, GB nets only $3.2M or so.

Rock, meet hard place.

Quite a few people have questioned Preston's fit, and several have defended his fit by noting that he played with his hand in the dirt. IDK. He seems okay to me with Hafly.

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LLCHESTY's picture

February 27, 2024 at 12:02 pm

By 2027 it starts all over! Big decisions ahead but it beats the alternative. But I think whatever FAs they sign should have an easy out after two years.

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T7Steve's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:16 am

I'd like to say that you cleared this up for me, TGR. All it did is prove to me how much I don't understand about this damn cap. LOL.

Whatever happens with Bahk aside, this team is young enough that I hope they can get these things worked out with the vets and FAs. All except for Newman, of course. Would like to know who's back he scratched to be able to stick on this team for so long.

You didn't mention Runyan, TGR. Is this piece based on him being gone? Or did you leave all the unrestricted FAs alone and I missed your mention of them?

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Coldworld's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:37 am

Runyon is out of contract. So he’s not part of the cap calculation going into the new league year. If they truly believe he was poor last year due to carrying temporary unfortunate injuries till December he might be back, but he’d be a FA signing. Other teams would likely be interested too if they share that view, so cost will be a factor.

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T7Steve's picture

February 27, 2024 at 09:10 am

That's what I thought he was doing. Thanks.

I guess he included those as projected FA signings. I think he's worth another look as a depth piece if nothing else. Look how long they hung onto Newman. Do you know where Caleb Jone is at, contract wise? I think they always had him on the 53 (inactive) on game days. Maybe he's the planned replacement for Nijman as swing tackle?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 11:09 am

Caleb is an ERFA who will be tendered at $915K. He has no choice. He will be 25. GB will take at least one more look at him. They might even give him another look in 2025 if he is underwhelming in 2024. I think he needs to show something, though.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:22 am

Sorry, I didn't address Runyan or Nixon, Savage, Rudy Ford or Owens. I'm pretty sure in a previous article that I made a pitch for cutting Newman ASAP to gain $2.8M and turning around and signing Runyan for, what, $4M? More? Less?

I was indifferent about Nixon. I think they could do worse but wonder if they can do better. He is price sensitive for me. I think they have shut the door on Savage. Ford was in the dog house. Maybe he still is?

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T7Steve's picture

February 27, 2024 at 01:05 pm

The only thing about Nixon, Ford or Owens is if they're in Rich B's plans for special teams. STs has come a long way, but still has a ways to go.

Those guys proved they were depth for defense. If they can get them cheap, it will pay to keep RB happy. Till 2 years ago they never did anything special for STs and they better not forget about the third part of the team again.

Don't know about Nixon either now that he's an All Pro. Maybe just show him what happened to Desmond Howard when was up for a new contract. Pretty short career.

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Guam's picture

February 27, 2024 at 08:30 am

I will add my thanks to the many others TGR. This is another great article on the Packer's cap. Your cap work is my favorite for understanding the Packers financial situation and what they can and can't do in free agency. Given the void year cap hit the Packers took when not resigning Savage, Nijman or Nixon (particularly Savage), it appears the Packers have an interest in cleaning up the cap problems caused by two last dances. To me that indicates the Packers might also just release Campbell without a June 1 designation, preserving more cap space in 2025.

That would still leave them enough room to sign a mid-range free agent safety and perhaps a lower level linebacker a la the De'Vondre Campbell signing of a few years ago. Can Gute work his magic again?

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Razer's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:45 am

...perhaps a lower level linebacker a la the De'Vondre Campbell signing of a few years ago. Can Gute work his magic again?...

This is my feeling as well. The front office has gotten better at pro scouting and free agency over the last years. Now - without Rodger's influence - Gutekunst can be more strategic with additions. I am wondering if Jordan Love's shown potential and our coaching staff will attract a better player?.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:47 am

I suppose the argument for taking a big swing in free agency (say, a double rather than a home run) is Love's likely cap numbers. I suspect his cap number in 2024 after the extension is $15M give or take a million or two. good but still cheap QB in 2024. His 2025 cap number might be $27M to $33M???? GB still has a good QB who is relatively cheap.

After 2025, Love might be very good, but his cap numbers won't be cheap. There will still be a window for quite a few years, but 2025 looks enticing. IDK. I saw holes in the secondary last year and downgraded my expectations. I see holes at now at FS, SS, slot CB, and OG, with some others that need depth.

I think I'd go the fiscally conservative route, but not to a fault. Maybe one sizable free agent and some smaller FAs. Nixon would be an example of a smaller FA, but not if he's a one-year guy. I am interested in him for 3 years, $12M to $15M, but I don't want to mess with one year guys when I am looking at both 2024 and 2025.

I'd keep some of the powder dry, but that's mostly player eval stuff rather than cap.

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Razer's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:40 am

Got to say that TGR gets me as close to understanding this CAP stuff as humanly possible. In a general sense, the Packers are in a good position to move forward on all fronts. The reset of the offense after getting rid of Rodgers was done without any serious financial risk. Only outlier was Bakhtiari with his health question mark and contract. Either Bak plays team friendly ball or you move on.

The defense is the new challenge as we make the switch. I wouldn't anchor a ton of money in long term contracts until some of the adaptation dust settles. We are still in rebuild mode with particular focus on the defense. If we get into "last run of Rodgers" spending mode, we will handicap ourselves going forward.

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BirdDogUni's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:44 am

Great job Jim...

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

February 27, 2024 at 10:57 am

Thanks. I wrote this damn thing February 17. Just couldn't make it as comprehensible as I wanted to. Then the cap was set and they restructured Gary, so that helped clarify things in my own mind.

I thought you might be for taking a bigger swing in 2024. I underestimated 2023 so badly that I decided to keep my head down and just offer alternatives!

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Packers0808's picture

February 27, 2024 at 05:56 pm

Fuller of Rams secondary a free agent would be great addition to our secondary. And he is affordable and played for Hafley at Ohio.

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EnemyTerritory's picture

February 27, 2024 at 06:41 pm

The more I read this stuff the more I realize how little Iknow….

My thinking is pay the piper this year and clear the cap for 2025. See what Bahk can do in camp and then decide to cut or trade but draft knowing he’s ending his time in Wisconsin. My underlying concern is that the packers played a soft schedule but got hot at the right time. Will this translate to the upcoming season including QB1 performance and a brand new DC. Free up some space, use some cap space for depth pieces and go for broke in 25 with a larger wallet, some idea of the QB 1 cap hit and a maturing offense and defense.

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