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Eagles: 27 Packers: 13

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Eagles: 27 Packers: 13

Jarrett Boykin, Datone Jones, Scott Tolzien

The Bad

The Bad

Morgan Burnett, M.D. Jennings, Davon House

The Bad

The Bad

Dom Capers

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jmac3444's picture

it is always a bad sign when the qb throws multiple picks and still is put in the good category.

I.E. Capers: I would be surprised if he gets canned during the season but his seat is very hot

Michael from Winnipeg's picture

I don't think Capers gets canned. As much as MM probably wants to (his post-game presser seemed to indicate that), he will sleep on it, and think of something else that will put a fire on his defense, like benching.

packeraaron's picture

Tolzein played much better than I ever would have thought considering the time he's been in the league, with the team, and the fact he took close to zero snaps during the week.

Michael from Winnipeg's picture

Agreed. I don't know what Wallace would have done today, but Tolzein showed me more with even little work/reps than what Wallace did vs the Bears. I'm glad MM declared him the starter vs the Giants.

Nerd's picture

Tolzien is the Don Barclay of QBs.

He's not Aaron, but he can play. (Not to jinx him of course.)

I was pleasantly surprised with his arm.

themasterfake's picture

HE Hadn't played since the Rose Bowl in 2011. He's got an arm, no doubt about that. And before the Favre era, a first time performance like that would have made him king of Green Bay.

markinmontana's picture

It's kind of odd how these Wisconsin quarterbacks who seemed decent (but not great) in college stick around in the lower ranks of the pros, aka Bollinger, Sorgi,and now Tolzien. (I'm not including Russell Wilson because he was a great quarterback in college who was expected to make the pros).

Bob Tundra's picture

As a Badger fan, too, I know what kind of arm Tolzien has. I've been rooting for him to be our QB since Rodgers got hurt. He is very aggressive and I feel more confident with him as our back up QB than I do with Wallace. This is really the first time he has taken any snaps with the first string. Yes, he threw two INTs, but I can expect some mistakes until he is more comfortable with our offense and more familiar with our receivers.

jh9's picture

In McCarthy's post-game conference, he said the defense didn’t play well. He alluded to a consistent problem that he’ll address on Monday. He didn’t say specifically what that problem was.

Watching him during the press conference, you could clearly see he was really unhappy with what transpired today. It'll be very interesting to see what happens this week as they prepare for the Giants. My hope is that MM will light a fire under the defense to step up their play. I think he realizes that the only chance this team has to salvage this season with AR out is for the defense to play much, much better. I believe this will be the week we find out what kind of team and coaches we have this year.

Jake - State Farm's picture

I'm hoping he lights a fire to the defense, or most of it.

razor's picture

He had no reps. He has had no previous game experience. They blitzed the hell out of him. The o-line is for-shit.

I think he did pretty well. Just give him the same 3 stinking years that they gave Harrell and then lets see how he does.

Hell - maybe we should fire Capers and make him the DC.

Laura's picture

I'll add Tramon Williams to the "bad" category, just my opinion.

packeraaron's picture

Tramon didn't play nearly as poorly as most are making it sound.

themasterfake's picture

I am a defender, but the first TD looked like he dropped it before Barnett got there, and the diving interception try, he just wasn't even looking at the ball. He stopped tracking the ball in to his hands, it seems. Could it be that easy?

RC Packer Fan's picture

Burnett knocked the ball out of Williams' hands. Watch the slow motion replay of it. I think Williams would have had an interception if it wasn't for Burnett.

Bob Tundra's picture

I agree!

razor's picture

Defense is a whole bunch of average players. Scheme does not fix average.

I think you are making excuses. If you can't or don't make a play, then you haven't made a play. And one good play versus three bad plays does not work.

Ugly!

packeraaron's picture

<em>I think you are making excuses</em>

And I think you don't know what you're talking about.

Cool.

calabasa's picture

Drafting a safety would've been so AWESOME last spring!!

lebowski's picture

safety play is killing us

Nerd's picture

Richardson might just get a shot.

RC Packer Fan's picture

One of Thompson's biggest mistakes.

This is where the draft and develop approach killed him. He expected McMillan to take the next step up and he didn't.

Derek in CO's picture

I'm curious now as to see how many rookie safeties are starting on teams right now. I know Matt Elam with Baltimore is (the guy who broke Cobb's leg). We passed on alot of them last draft.

RC Packer Fan's picture

I don't know for sure either. But Kenny Vacarro is, although he was drafted ahead of Green Bay.

Reid from 49ers. Either way, I think most would have been an upgrade of Jennings.

Stroh's picture

No kidding? Jennings is a backup Safety in the NFL. But Vaccaro and Reid were long gone by the time the Packers pick came around. Its pointless to wish for something you can't have.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Yeah, those are the only 2 that I know that are starting. I don't know about any others. I know they were drafted ahead of the Packers just didn't know of any.
other starting rookie safety's.

Evan's picture

I was super high on Cyprien - went 1st pick of round 2. I googled him a few weeks ago. I guess he's doing alright. Struggling in coverage, but playing well in the box. I think we already have a few of those.

calabasa's picture

You know it's bad when...

The defense lets down the THIRD-STRING QB!

Ruppert's picture

I hope the omission of Marshall Newhouse indicates that he made the 4th category: Putrid.

I'm curious as to what MM was talking about in his post-gamer. I don't think he was talking about Capers. I'm thinking it's d-back or run-d related, since our safeties were horrible, our corners couldn't catch a cold, and the run D disintegrated again.

This team has done one hell of a job of dealing with injuries the last few years. It had to catch up to us eventually. Not trying to let any individuals or coordinators off the hook (including MM's insistence on passing in short yardage situations), but this game is a W with our full complement, or something a little closer to it.

It is what it is, people.

calabasa's picture

I would call the 4th category "Fecal". Maybe that's too close to Cow Chips.

calabasa's picture

Wow. Just watched MM's press conference- something's going to happen tomorrow. The way he went from "blah blah blah" to "I'm making a change tomorrow" back to "blah blah blah"...can't wait.

Jayme Snowden's picture

My thought as well. No clue if it will be something as a big as a firing or cutting a player or something like changing up practice schedule or rotating starters, but either way, its something. he was pissed.

Michael from Winnipeg's picture

Was he ever. He's been really edgy and snippy this year, which is good.

Derek in CO's picture

Yes, agreed. MM was as pissed as I've ever seen him.

Nerd's picture

I honestly thought Seneca literally just punked out like a little bitch.

If you can't get it done, say so before you take all the snaps in practice for a week dude.

I didn't see the press conference, but when I heard Mike was pissed, I assumed it was about Seneca pulling a Jay Cutler.

But yeah, a defensive shake up wouldn't shock me either.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Wallace gets injured and he's a punk? Really?

Nerd's picture

If he broke his leg I wouldn't judge him.

I felt like he was pulling a Jay Cutler.

If you don't think you can get the job done, say so before you get the entire week of practice reps that could have gone to someone else.

4thand1's picture

Are you f-ing serious? Its a muscle pull. I'm sure he wanted to play and play well. 5 for 5 in the opening drive.

murphy's picture

Know how I know you've never had a groin injury?

some guy's picture

"pulling a Jay Cutler"

You mean the guy who came back too early from a groin injury, played like crap, and is now out even longer? Tell us more.

Bearmeat's picture

If we don't win the next two we are done.

Carolina is getting the 2nd WC birth. Gotta win the division. And that's not looking promising...

Bugeater's picture

Agree that it's win the division or bust this year. The upcoming games against Minnesota, Detroit, and Chicago just went from being big to being HUGE. I think they can sneak one out of the Giants - the defense is due for a big performance and this would probably be a good time for them to do it.

Bearmeat's picture

Unless they play MUCH better they're not going to beat NYG on the road...

PackerPete's picture

yep - not only have the 49ers an advantage with the head-to-head, but Carolina has a great conference W-L record. Even Arizona and the Bears have better conf W-Ls. This team is done. They will just lay down the next 2 and be 5-6 when going into Detroit.

Evan's picture

I'm hardly sold on Carolina yet. They're 6-3, but those wins have come against some garbage teams (Giants, Vikes, Falcons, Bucs, Rams). 49ers was a great win, no doubt, but they still have the Saints twice, Pats and Jets.

PackerPete's picture

Correct - but they are 6-2 in the NFC, and they'll still play the Bucs and Falcons. Got to assume they win at least one of those. So that would make them 7-5 at worst in the NFC, but I think they'll go 8-4 in the NFC. If they end up 10-6, and the Packers'd somehow manage 10-6, then NFC record counts. So if the Packers lose 2 more in the NFC, the best NFC record they can finish with is 7-5...

Evan's picture

Yeah, no doubt it'll be close down the stretch.

But I think it's entirely possible the Packers end up 11-5 and the Panthers at 10-6. A lot of season left.

Bottom line, the Packers need to win at least 1 of these games without Rodgers to have a chance.

TommyG's picture

I'm still not seeing how Capers takes the blame for missed tackles, blown coverage, and missed interceptions. Sure, he could dial up more blitzes but that just puts more pressure on our terrible secondary which has already proven it can't cover.

I get the frustration with the D's ineffectiveness. Ask yourself this though: if we had won 35-27 would you still be screaming for Dom's resignation?

calabasa's picture

I'd probably be sitting there thinking, "I'm glad we won, but something's still wrong with this defense."

We all go around in the circle- is it the scheme? is it the players? is it the drafting? bad luck? You never know until you have a #1 ranked D and the coordinator gets all the credit. Maybe he should take the blame when it sucks, too.

packeraaron's picture

Who is screaming for his resignation?

TommyG's picture

Aaron, really? I paged through this article's responses, and other articles on this site, and found a majority of the voices calling for Dom's departure. Perhaps you, Aaron, did not, but many people here have. This question was posed to the general commenting public, not just you.

Nerd's picture

His dudes failed to show up two weeks in a row.

That's on him.

TommyG's picture

Dom does not coach the positions, he designs the defensive schemes.

QOTSA1's picture

I agree, Capers is getting way too much blame for this loss.

The Eagles scored on 3 long passes, one should of been picked off, one was poorly played by both defensive backs, and the other looked like a blown coverage.

TommyG's picture

You are correct. Three plays that were all the fault of the players, not the play call.

stormin's picture

Exactly, the blame should go to the defensive backfield coach , is this guy getting paid?

QOTSA1's picture

Maybe Joe Whitt or Darren Perry are the ones on the hot seat. The Packers have way too much talent in the secondary to be this consistently bad.

jack in jersey city's picture

BINGO!!! we have a winner. i was just about to post this. i'm sure darren perry had his butt chewed out today and i wouldn't be surprised if whitt did as well. if there's going to be a shake-up at the coaching position it won't be dom capers, it will be one or both of these cats

Bomdad's picture

Maybe have one coach for DBs instead of two position coaches?

TommyG's picture

This might be a really good idea. If they shared one coach then maybe they would learn to play off of each other rather than just playing.

PackerPete's picture

i have been saying since training camp that Whitt is delusional. He talked about having 9 "NFL CBs". I'd argue he has 3 at the most.
Perry was a good S himself. I have no idea why he can't get his guys to cover, tackle, or do anything an NFL S has to do.

dawg's picture

THE GOOD
The entire team woke up this morning

THE BAD

THE UGLY

PackerPete's picture

are you sure about that? I wouldn't be my house on it. But I am pretty certain someone pulled his hamstring when rolling over in bed, and another one probably pulled a groin when stepping out of bed...

dawg's picture

OK
Lacy came to work today, anyone in on that?
I'll give Boykin a nodge too!

dawg's picture

DEFENCE

drealyn williams's picture

I don't know how long I've been saying this; but why Li Phuck does M.D. Jennings still has a roster spot on the Packers!!!!???

RC Packer Fan's picture

That might be the move that is being made today. We shall see...

markinmontana's picture

The same reason previous safeties that were once given up on by fans (Sharper, Collins, etc.) stuck around. Yes, it would be nice if a better player was ahead of him right now, but it's too early to say he won't be a good NFL safety in a year or two.

Mojo's picture

Something's not right with the run defense. They look solid, especially up the middle early, then when the games on the line - they get gashed. What's worse is we knew they were going to run. Same thing last week.

Two of the long TD passes were flukey. The first occurred after our secondary guys ran into each other. The second to Cooper was a poorly thrown ball he was able to adjust to. Strangely enough, sometimes a poorly thrown ball works to the advantage of the receiver who can adjust to it much better.

If our luck with injuries wasn't bad enough, both EDS and Barclay got rolled up on and who knows what their status is for next week. If Sherrod has anything maybe activate him for next week. Else, we're going to have to find some bodies elsewhere.

I know a lot of people complain about the injuries this year - and subsequently the training staff - but outside of the hammies most have been a result of contact that would have injured just about anyone. Players getting rolled-up, direct hits to the legs, head area, Rodger pile-drived into the turf(BTW maybe the "dirtiest" injury considering McClellan pinned his arms and put his full weight into it. I believe the bang-bang plays to Cobb and Finley although resulting in injuries didn't have the intent to harm that McClellan did). Nothing you can do to prepare or prevent.

Considering what's happened, if this team even makes the playoffs it will be quite a season. The Pack needs to win at least one or two of the next few games until Rodgers gets back. If they can do that they should at least contend for a wild-card.

calabasa's picture

Speaking of pinning his arms, I was just remembering the other day how CMIII smashed Kevin Kolb with his arms pinned...sweet.

some guy's picture

Hahaha yeah man CTE is <em>hilarious.</em>

jack in jersey city's picture

i would say they need to win the next two games in order to survive. any more than 6 losses and we won't make the playoffs which means we would have to run the table when rodgers gets back (which is not out of the question but we still have to play in both dallas and chicago).

dawg's picture

Mojo=yep

Phatgzus's picture

Run D sucked largely because the Pack were playing a lot of nickel, even with Raji in on some of the packages that's 1 300+-pounder less than usual, the LBs were exposed again today.

dawg's picture

McCarthy rips Defence!

OL best in leauge!

Bert's picture

Three straight years of mediocre to just lousy defense. The injuries have been a huge hurdle to overcome but still, the defense just doesn't show up on too many occasions. We had a run against some bad offensive teams and it masked how porous this defense really is. I expect a loss in NY and a loss in Detroit. That will be 6 losses which is the maximum for making the playoffs. If we do make the playoffs ("Playoffs!!??") it seems like we are just being set up for another early-out because of a collapse by the defense.

KurtMc's picture

+1^10 for Capers.

Yes, LB's exposed, yes run D sucked, yes secondary lets us down, yes Capers isn't on the field. But, I'm not judging Dom on this one game, it's the entire body of work for the past three years.

If your not challenging the WR within 5 yards, that's D-scheme. If you can't hold the edge, that's scheme. If the secondary is continually out of position, passing WR's to a safety who isn't there, that's scheme. No pass rush....SCHEME.

If you can't adjust at half-time, or with the ebb of the game...THATs the D coordinator.

Times of brilliance, then major regression.

Time, and time, time again. Sorry. Yes, we have a recent SB win. I just can't help but to think it was more of a D fluke than plan.

We can blame draft, TT, whatever....but there are other teams doing more with less. (My opinion). Total D ranking

2013 - 18th (so far through 10 games)
2012 - 22nd
2011 - 1st
2010 - 28th

So how Can three years of D have an average of 22.6, and one year were 1st? That's a four year average of 17.25. Hardly an elite ranking and a complete waste of chances to win another SB

Bert's picture

I think the Packers defense was rated dead last or 32nd in 2011. That makes the overall numbers even worse.

Jake - State Farm's picture

Kind of easy to figure that out. Jenkins on the left, Mathews on the right. Woodson still able to do some things and Collins not hurt yet and linebackers healthy.
Now, linebackers out, Jenkins, Collins, Wells, Woodson gone and replaced with by whom?????
Burnett, Shields, Hayward, Williams, Jennings could not play second string on any other team.

gbslapshot's picture

You all sure do cry a lot...

RC Packer Fan's picture

I agree with the Good, Bad and Ugly.

Can we just add the injury's to the ugly though? It has gotten to a point that its just Ugly.
2 weeks in a row losing the starting QB pretty much kills you. Then losing your Center, which shifts the whole line around, and after that they lose their RT who moved to G.
Not to mention losing Hayward to a hamstring again...

I think its time to change the water filters or something in Green Bay. Something has to be in the water up there...

zub's picture

Start fixing the defense. Since the super bowl, when has our defense won a game. It starts with Capers and goes down to the secondary play combined with no pass rush. Change the coach and maybe get a different result

lennysmalls's picture

Put your self in MM shoes for a moment. Two weeks ago Rodgers goes down early in the game. That game and the next week's game are at home, in the friendly confines of Lambeau Field. He may figure that now is his moment to especially shine, to show the world that this team isn't all about Rodgers. After all, he's a Super Bowl winning coach, and has faced injury adversity aplenty in that winning season. Fast forward to last night. Again, the QB goes down in the first series and all the preparation during the short week he took with Wallace is out the window. His defense has gotten schooled by two rookie NFL head coaches in Trestman and Kelly (the last being a college coach for crissakes who has to call the plays to his QB from the sidelines). Wouldn't you be pissed?

Judging from his comments in the post game presser yesterday, it appears he's frustrated with the defense, either Capers or some of the players. I wouldn't be surprised if some personnel changes were made this week. I doubt it's Capers, but it could be players or other defensive coaches.

Yep, it's a rebuilding year.

Stroh's picture

You weren't calling it a rebuilding year 2 weeks ago.

Don't see why everyone is gripping here... Not like we all didn't know the Packers are built around Rodgers and if he was lost for multiple games we would be in a world of hurt. That would be true no matter who the backup QB is!

lennysmalls's picture

What if the backup were a healthy and younger Matt Hasselbeck? There are 22 starters on an NFL team. Yes, the QB is arguably the most important position. But teams have won Super Bowls with average QBs -- it's possible. So the fact that they're built around Rodgers is a good thing? That proves my point that they need to rebuild such a foolish strategy.

Further, any season where they don't make the playoffs or have a winning record is a rebuilding year. This offense wasn't lighting it up like they were a few years ago even before Rodgers was injured. They've regressed on both sides of the ball. Inconsistent on defense; not playing good D when they play good offenses.

I believe TT is good at the draft, not a genius. So the Packers may have talent a little better than average in the NFL. But the coaches and the way they prepare for the seasons are showing themselves to be less than average.

The rest of the season will be spent figuring out where the talent is and who they can let go in free agency. Probably also a good time to start recruiting for a new defensive coordinator and possibly other coaches.

Stroh's picture

Your a fool! All that needs to be said.

4thand1's picture

When its all said and done its all about Rodgers. He is so good apparently he makes the whole team look good. There's no way they lose 2 in a row in Lambeau. With all the picks on defense it should be a legitimate top 10 by now. Its time for a shake up, out with the old, and Capers is old.

lennysmalls's picture

No player in pro football is good enough to carry an entire team. Not even in baseball. Maybe you could say that about basketball, maybe.

Don't blame Rodgers for the below average defense this year. And their offense wasn't a world-beater before the injury. This team has gotten a little stale. Yes, the running game has shown improvement through better running blocking and the respectable talent of Eddie Lacy. But their receivers and Rodgers often weren't in sync for whatever reason, probably as a result of the injuries. So next year, the offense should be good if the line can stay healthy.

It will be up to TT and MM (or some other head coach) to separate the good from the bad, especially on the D, after this season.

Jake - State Farm's picture

Winning consistently is defense.

The big, and I mean big, three are not pass rushers. They cannot get to the QB in time that's evident. How many sacks do Pickett, Jolly and Raji have?

To make it worse, teams are obviously favoring running wide and having a lot of success. They see the game films and understand that is a weakness. Sure was yesterday.

Teams are lighting up our pass defense, what pass defense we have. Only team without an interception. Hard to get one with your back to the receiver chasing him down the field.

Can't shields, Hayward and Burnett just tackle someone without slipping on the turf. They quite honestly looked like baffoons. What they really are is slow, smallish defensive backs who lack tackling ABILITIES.

This entire defense is just a total piece of work and one hand Matty ain't helping.

lennysmalls's picture

Jones, Daniels, Matthews, Perry -- aren't they the ones that typically line up at the line in the 3-4? Pickett, Jolly, and Raji are there to stop the run, and barring the last two games in the fourth quarter, they've been OK there.

You're point about the lack of a pass rush is seemingly solid, though they rank 11th in the NFL in terms of sacks through 9 games with 27. QBs do seem to be having lots of time in the pocket though. However, in terms of INTs they are dead last in the NFL, with only 3. I believe the secondary is weaker.

jack in jersey city's picture

the secondary without woodson and collins is definitely weaker. add to that the fact that tramon just hasn't been the playmaker he was a few years ago before his injury. hayward was looking like a baller last season but he hasn't been healthy since pulling his hamstring. ted is going to have to spend some fairly high draft picks on the defensive backfield this offseason.

Stroh's picture

One, at Safety preferably, if a playmaker is available. But not multiple picks on DB's. Hayward missed virtually all of training camp and the 1st 6 or 7 weeks of the season. He's rusty... He'll be the same player next year he was last year. Shields had 5 INT's in 11 games played. So its not necessary to jump off a cliff and use multiple picks, especially on CB.

I understand its frustrating that the INT's aren't coming right now, but there's no need to scratch the entire secondary and start over. A little consistent pass rush would go a long way.

KurtMc's picture

Dick LaBeau is old too, but his D's most often perform.

It's about game plan &amp; I don't think Dom is doing it. I keep wondering how did we get the #1?

I agree, this D should be a 7 - 11th ranked unit. We are not. And that's the Coordinator issue, ultimatly the head coach.

M. Murphy will have some hard choices to make. We are wasting, just wasting our teams talent.

madmanJack's picture

i would like to add....where are the adjustments on D. we all saw that the fucking refs let Eagle CB get away with face guarding on every sideline pass. there absolutely was no pass interference being called by the zebras. why didn't Capers tell his CB to get in their grills in tight man to man if they were choking on their flags?

TommyG's picture

because our CBs are playing terribly this year. If you think they look bad playing 5 yards off wait until you see how bad they get burned playing press.

stormin's picture

MM and TT are resting on their laurels of hitting the mega lotto with Rodgers. Its Rodgers or bust, they would not help Farve, now the same with Rodgers, two Hall Of Fame QB's may be wasted if the coach and general manager don't step it UP!!

Al's picture

This might get me banned from this website but... Does anyone think that Clay Matthews is a bit overrated? Now.. I get it. He has a club on his hand and has been fighting back injury, but at the same time our defense doesn't seem to get a whole lot better even when he is around. Perhaps it has more to do with how Matthews is being utilized but im just saying... with his HUGE rep he has, the dude doesn't have the 15-20 sack seasons I would like to see. I know he does a lot of other things but I am just posing the question, that's all..

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