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Dr. Strangelackofblitz or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love the Defense

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Dr. Strangelackofblitz or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love the Defense

Good read from Pete Dougherty about the problems the secondary is having without Charles Woodson in the lineup. He details some of the struggles both Brandon Underwood and Pat Lee had Saturday night.

On Underwood:

On the Seahawks’ first touchdown drive, Hasselbeck threw back-to-back completions for 31 yards total against Underwood, who didn’t get deep enough on a zone drop to challenge receiver Mike Williams before giving too much cushion to receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. On the Seahawks’ second touchdown drive, Houshmandzadeh kept the drive alive on a third-and-4 by beating Underwood on a quick slant for a six-yard gain.

On Lee:

Lee wasn’t thrown at as much and had solid coverage on a third-down incompletion to receiver Deion Branch that ended the Seahawks’ first possession. But on the second-quarter touchdown drive, Lee had a five-yard penalty for illegal contact, and several plays later gave up a 21-yard completion to Houshmandzadeh on a crossing route. Lee also bit too hard on a bootleg by Hasselbeck on which the quarterback ran free and hit Williams for a 13-yard gain that set up the touchdown.

Now I would only caution fans that, while all of the above is disappointing, it is not unexpected for a couple of guys who are getting their first real exposure against good veteran receivers while playing in a beyond-vanilla defense that is generating zero-pass rush. We've seen Nick Collins, two-time-Pro-Bowler-Nick-Collins, beat for touchdowns on successive weeks where the quarterback had all day to throw. The young guys are going to give up plays as long as they are being asked to cover guys for four or five seconds.

Dougherty makes the right point in the lead, though, that this defense is predicated on the presence of Woodson. His ability to play all over the field will allow Capers to get as creative as necessary when it comes to pressuring the quarterback. And as it turns out, Capers may need to get damn creative as only Brady Poppinga and Frank Zombo have shown any pass rushing ability whatsoever, and that has been against sub-standard talent. (Obviously, getting Clay Matthews back on the field is a must...)

All in all, however, I am not overly worried about the defense. They are playing without a lot of parts at the moment and are going beyond vanilla. Remember the preseason the year Mike Sherman was hired? All anyone talked about was how terrible the defense looked and how Favre was obviously going to have to carry the team. Then, come Week One, the defense looked shockingly good.

No, I'm not saying Dom Capers is Ed Donatell. (God help us all.) I am saying that there are way too many moving parts and there's way too much going on behind the scenes to judge anything when it comes to this defense. I'm confident that we have not seen even an inkling of what this defense will truly look like once the games matter.

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Jersey Al's picture

What? You want Packer fans to not pre-judge or jump to different conclusions from week-to-week based on preseason games? I think that may be asking too much...

If you're Hasselbeck, and you come to the line of scrimmage and see no Charles Woodson, and then Brandon Underwood and Morgan Burnett on the same side, where are you going to attack? No surprise that the first pass was right between the two of them.

With Woodson and Al Harris back, Underwood and/or Lee become very good dime backs.

The pass rush, however, should be a reason to worry. Nobody has shown the ability to beat their man one-on-one quickly enough to even get near the QB with any regularity. Capers will have to get real creative to try to create some "unblocked" situations to generate a pass rush.

Packer fans, you're allowed to worry about the pass rush...

sammer's picture

Agreed on all counts. Although I think there's some potential in the plan to play Matthews and Jenkins on opposite sides of the field this year - especially if Matthews can abuse those (supposedly) less athletic RTs. I also think there's a chance that Chillar will develop into a dangerous outside pass rusher - he's only been out there for a few weeks and he's an athletic guy who learns quickly.

andrew's picture

aj hawk is actually faster and more athletic than chillar is.. and hawk is originally a olb... in madden i always move hawk to outside and move brad jones inside and have jones adn chillar switch play time.. hawk is a better olb hits hard stops the run well and when he does get to the qb he lays the pipe.. but thats just my opinion.. in an ideal world id prefer to see hawk outside and chillar and jones inside i think hawk would make a lot more big plays as an olb

PackersRS's picture

That based on Madden?

sammer's picture

I'll alert the coaching staff to that video game-based hypothetical.

Meanwhile, in real life, Chillar has actually been moved to OLB and Hawk will remain at ILB. The question at hand, I think, is the potential for the non-pretend pass rush to improve. I'm hopeful but not convinced it will. I'd love to see AJ get at the QB more, but we haven't seen much of that thus far.

Packfan2012's picture

Remember in the browns game he had that good blitz right up the middle. I dont remember how that play ended but I remember the satisfaction that AJ was up to something

PackersRS's picture

It's one thing for them to struggle not getting pressure playing vanilla in the preseason, without CM3.

I know, they're not winning the 1-on-1. But, when there's gameplann, when they go all out, and when there's that blonde dude wreacking havoc and commanding double teams every single snap, then if they struggle, I'll be worried.

Oppy's picture

^^^Agree with PAckersRS 100%

some_dude's picture

It's difficult to tell as the defense is sorta asking for trouble by not showing anything perplexing to the QB. You've got Chillar who's only weeks into becoming an OLB, Poppinga who is mainly S.Ts then ZOMBO! and Obiozor. That's not much.

Although it's not going to happen, it would be good to trade for more experience at OLB. Who that is... I've no idea.

Pack Morris's picture

Good article, GREAT title.

WoodyG's picture

A voice of reason ...... There was a time many, many years ago that the majority of fans & media understood the true meaning of "pre-season" & its sole purpose ..... Not so much anymore .......

Actually, the D may take a half-step backwards in 2010 but it'll be meaningless when the O is pretty much unstoppable .... Face it, AR & all his weapons will be the highlight of 2010 ....... May very well be more than enough.

keeley2's picture

Thank god someone is monitoring our precious bodily fluids!

David's picture

The title is brilliant.

PackersRS's picture

We're passionate fans. We gotta hammer something.

PackersRS's picture

27 posts and noone caught/cared to post about the It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia reference? Really?

This is a sad day for us all.

Asshalo's picture

You know you shouldn't be judging the D too hard when not a single Starting LB is not the field. Francois and Bishop also had very poor positioning in the zone.

pat fermanich's picture

we dont need woodson in their. we no what he can do. .no thats not it hes what you want all young db.,s to play like. as a player on and off the field his #1 man.

pat fermanich's picture

hey aaron were hell are you pat and mike miss you.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Yes lets not judge our "total defense" via left behind in Green Bay with injury issues. Why not? Parts of the defense could make a showing if they are so good as communicated by the experts of this blog or forum. I have not seen any bits and pieces of a number ranked defense via two pre-season games. How Come? Oh it is just a "fog dream" via media communicating on expert opinions right? I watch and listen to only Larry M. for expert opinions on Packer Football because he sees football as it should be played via professionalism and reports from hip not some pipe dreams for grandstanding purposes.

packeraaron's picture

What language is this written in?

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Nagler, why did you assume some other more sophisticated language. Nagler you don't possess a degree to be critical via just your BA in Communications, thus you need to attain a higher degree. Right? I mean for crictical observations!

Oppy's picture

"Via"

That word.. I do not think it means what you think it means..

WoodyG's picture

'Via' is Italian for something ..... I don't know what ..... Wait ....."Momma Via, Momma Via".

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Momma is redneck slang for street walker Via Momma Momma is slang for hot street walker south of the border. (San Diego & Mexico) or maybe you mean VIVA = roll of tissue or maybe VIVA Las Vegas or VIVA via long live way of excellent sentence structure, right Nagler?

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Oppy via means by way of in Webster thank you for the opportunity to share a simple word not in your thought process. Does not mean any language from script on Andy Of Mayberry. Please pay attention to forum conversation and not take your self to serious via less of an education.

Inigo Montoya's picture

I still don't think that means what you think it means . . .

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

It is just a three letter word so don't get all miffed by use. How come you people are so angry via your posts? I bet you posters kick your dog and yell at your kids and look in the mirror and chant "I is what it is"! Now back to Packers via Defense is not showing any hints of last year so far unless you Ghost write for a network or famous kids show like Romper Room.

Oppy's picture

Do you and your alter ego actually take yourself seriously?

What is god's name is going on here?

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Oppy please tell me what is going on here and be creative in your comedy. As far as being a Viking Fan your assumptions are very wrong unless you see purple being attacked by viking fans. Pat dwould you call this blog a "bull e blog with the purple gang assumptions?

mossdog427's picture

I think our D will be about what it was last year... soft on yardage but huge on run D and turn overs. Our offense on the other hand will be vastly improved. Rodgers is going to toy with the eagles.

that aside... is that secretary from Dr. Strangelove the hottest woman ever or what?

andrew's picture

packers d will be what i think it always is.. as long as capers runs his game we will have a lot of turnovers and big plays will give up lots of yards and field goals since our defense tends to come up big in the red zone... when u dont play the starters all game.. they dont have a lot of opportunities to make the big plays that they are known for..

Brooklyn's picture

i think that hawk at olb and chillar at ilb would be good

Nate's picture

There is no way A.J. would be able to play outside linebacker effectively.

pat fermanich's picture

10-4

pat fermanich's picture

jersey al what you wrote were way a head of that. this isnt pop warner you need a nother ten yrs. to watch larry mac. on chanel 5 hes the man sports writer of the decade and played the as a pro should.

jerseypackfan's picture

Let me get straight? No one listen to Aaron Nagler he know nothing everyone listen to Larry Mac right? He know everything about Packers?

CJ in Guatemala's picture

This dude "Pat" is in serious denial. He pretty much CAN'T THINK BY HIMSELF and just listens to Larry McCarren, or at least that what i can decipher from his half-assed written posts anyway.

I know i don't post much, but i read this blog several times a day, for updates and comments from other people who might have a better insight than me on some deep stuff like game planning for example. That doesn't mean i agree with everything it is said here or on other packer blogs for that matter, but that is a GOOD thing, cause it lets people talk and debate about legitimate issues with the team, instead this guy just comes here to spam and it just got old really fast.

I'm ignoring his posts from now on peace out.

sammer's picture

Without endorsing anything old Pat said... let's not drag the good name of Larry F'in McCarren through the mud. The Rock is the man.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Hey CJ they pay you pennies for your thoughts on this Blog. I mean do they pay ya to spam with bearmeat focus? Reading several times a day this blog would lean to a reaction like your post. I suggest professional help. Please start with looking in mirror and stating I think I am perfect but I am not because I am a human being with a ego problem. Just a tip!

Vrog's picture

What are you on?

Jersey Al's picture

Have absolutely NO IDEA what you just said...

Graffin's picture

No one knows Al,not one person.

LACheez's picture

has bishop ever played OLB? i'm definitely not a football position expert but it seems like if he has problems in coverage, why not have him focus on pass rush? especially if we know that chillar is decent in coverage...(although this may be debateable).

i definitely am worried about the pass rush. seems like we are asking a lot of matthews to do the bulk by himself.

i would hate for the defense to get picked apart again by a certain purple number 4.

MadMan's picture

JerseyPackfan--LOL

pat fermanich's picture

ha ha martion

pat fermanich's picture

cj you still were diapers

pat fermanich's picture

granted my first blog ive ever been on you guys acted like kinder babys with rattles. good name of the rock to me is he nows more about football than all of us combined you guys dont no a thing about football and never will. and aaron the lang is still english i like this blog even more now .

pat fermanich's picture

hey sammer i dont drag larry the rock threw mud you said that. go back and suck on your bottle i like this hype its like game time lets have our own private football game the ferm bro against the creb babys get mouth css in too 4 .5 guy tackle football no pain no gain im just smiling i love it.

pat fermanich's picture

CJ. thanks for thinking about me. may be i should go back to school could you be my teacher. please.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Hey Pat, Nagler thinks you just are posting but can't figure out that I am really your twin. The guy from Central America never played football because he would never say something so simple about Larry M. Your right about these assumed pundits of football I bet the players laugh there arses off reading this material. Pat you did mean know, not nows. Type to fast for your fingers brother. It is ok because I am not a grammar queen Easy is what easy can do and that is be critical of simple mistakes. Must be nice to be perfect hey Nagler? By the way some of you people made that up about Press Gazette Writer being flamed by his own fellow writers because that is bs. They are a very tight group, period!

jerseypackfan's picture

Fred?

cheese5's picture

hahaha lmfao

Jersey Al's picture

LOL

packerslounge's picture

You're totally off on the GBPG and Vandermause. I know for a FACT people don't like him.

Not sure who you are, but you totally are failing the social IQ test right now. You remind me of something I wrote with my left hand.

As far as players reading this, they may laugh from time to time. They have also asked to have things specifically written for them too. No different than the papers.

Fred indeed...

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Debate 101 attack grammar of posters when you have nothing to say that is intelligent. You guys are to easy and speak to easy. Hee Hee via Hee Hee!!!!!lol

pat fermanich's picture

hey aaron jersy said i said you dont no nothing is that what you think.i cant think for my self as stated help me.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Yes CJ what is with your smack on my posts there junior poster? Gosh you are a "hot head" via a little debate from the other side. I have looked up your profile also and see no level education to warrant a critical comment about anything having to do with communications via writings. If I want to post a thesis(Nagler), I would have posted on a high school forum where people just make comments for the enjoyment of it! Face it boys and girls big papers are not going to get a take from a bunch of armchair QB'S. They get paid the big bucks for grandstanding research and I doubt many of you are guests on the sidelines.

packsmack25's picture

I'm scared.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

You should be scared it is a scary situation to be on a blog with bull e pundits. Don't worry be happy Nagler will protect you from all those bad posters. I once saw Nagler running down College Ave(with a cape) in Appleton, Wisconsin(where visiting teams stay) shouting Pat and Mike are driving a Super Hero(ego) like myself nuts. Ah you guys worry to much although Pat is a martian

pat fermanich's picture

what you scared about there so much love here. packersmack25 i got me my bro and my lion samson.

jerseypackfan's picture

I`m sorry guys. My bad. I`ll never let my 4 year old daughter post on the site anymore. She has quite the imagination for her age don't you think?

pat fermanich's picture

you funny guy.

pat fermanich's picture

yuor a sick man

pat fermanich's picture

me and mike volenntered at a zoo gave tours to kids houndreds of kids and you say a lie like that what kind of father are you.i voleenteer in nursing homes and hadicap, what are you trying to say.

jerseypackfan's picture

Wow...you are absolutely fascinating! I`m going to contact Mayor McCheese and we are going to see about giving you a special medal. How does that sound?

Max's picture

Could someone please send these Vikings fans to my site? I think they took a wrong turn somewhere...

DAWG's picture

Colts will tear this Defense and ST apart, lets just hope A-Rod-fence can score 65 or more! OF course SB bound-mmmm-K

CSS's picture

A-Rod-fence??? Explain.

DAWG's picture

The best Offense in the league.

DAWG's picture

Offensively, we are the best, hands down-Payton is great, BUT A-Rod Is the man , and his desire is-and will surpass!-Look at his arsenal? Unbelievable!!

DAWG's picture

A-Rod is the man.

DAWG's picture

Love the fact we have A-Rod- over any QB in the NFL....

PackSmack's picture

As a BIG fan of Peter Sellers and cast in the epic Dr. Strangelove, extreme cudos to Aaron for that superlative and uber-creative title!

Will anyone ever be able to top that one? Or forget it? Unlikely.

Almost causes one to jump out of a wheelchair with your right arm swung straight out just reading it...

Hilarious!!!!

Jack's picture

Something tells me "Pat" and "Mike" crossed our southern border without a visa.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Oh now we get racial with comments from peanut gallery right Jack. Tell me Jack or is it Jill did you fall down the hill to come up with your critical racial focus?

CSS's picture

This sock-puppet was funny in the beginning, now it's just plain sad.

pat fermanich's picture

good morning class the pack play the colts on thru. its still preseason but what goals to we need to fill before season?

pat fermanich's picture

hey jack and jill no were north of the board your the guy thats down and under.picken for worms.

pat fermanich's picture

hey jersy we dont need a medal the kids give us all the medals we need and the mons to

aussiepacker's picture

I think i figured it out, The journal sentinal is finally getting rid of the people who right dumbass comments and pat and micheal got the ass first, Unfortunately for us they found this site.

pat fermanich's picture

no aussie you the dumb ass. now to the pack larry marc the rock explained very will last night on tv. not you dumb auussie who made you god and deliver of brains go back to school and learn to respect pat and mike may god pray for you and your friends. friends i love this blog more and more peace and love thy neighber. may tiger shit fall on your head give you a brain. now pack defence ?

NickGBP's picture

May tiger shit fall on your head and give you a brain.

Lovin it.

JC's picture

Tom should have beat some more sense into these two.

Tim and Jane where are you? Can we get the whole family here?

Aaron Nagler's picture

Just about the funniest thread ever...

Graffin's picture

I can't believe people trust these guys with kids. Thats scary.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Make a call to the DeYoung Zoo, Wallace, Michigan about our trust with children via your assumptions. I challenge you to that simple task if you are man enough to make the call! In fact make a call to the Marinette Police Department if you doubt our trust with children. Make a call to Big Brothers and Sisters or to the Rainbow House or to St. Vincent de Paul Society, or Mentally and Phyiscally Challenged of Brown County, Menominee County(Mich) and Marinette County, Or make a call to National Geographic who interviewed Pat and myself for future shows(DeYoung Zoo), Call the United States Justice Department. This blog has a reputation for gang posters should I sssume the same of you?

John's picture

That has got to be the funniest thread ever. Is someone typing a little tipsy?

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Yes John I am laughing my ars off at your communications short but I am sure sweet and honey?

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Dear God; Please forgive them for they know not what they do to there fellow human beings. Yes I am glad you can all laugh at our posts and that is why we post for good ccmedy. I am so happy that a poster would have all our family profile to post. Would you like my resume also for posting? The negative assault comment must have come from a Marinette City Cop if I have that right? JC! I can share with you that my dad did not have to beat us but his look of anger would be kind of like a beating. Right now our father needs both of us along with the rest of the family because are mother passed away a couple of weeks ago.

JC's picture

I hope you spend more time with him than on here posting rambling nonsense.

BTW, just a couple more years until the St. Thomas Aquinas Academy 40 year reunion! Have fun you two!

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Luke 6:27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
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Luke 23:34 But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.
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Acts 7:60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.
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Romans 12:20 "BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD Are you going to be there JC or rambling the word nonsense. I want to shake your hand for your thought process!!

pat fermanich's picture

hey graffin give us real name not your stage name all want be acters like nagler and failed . hows to be failers drama qweens. no sports writers here only in the paper on the news no singers no lot of belly itchers no brains just mouth come out with your real names and not your stage names. nagler you put my name on here put the rest of them to. conflict of interest.

JC's picture

What the hell is happening here? Are we at church now?

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Yes you are a sinner JC and I would like to talk to you face to face. You know where I live and my family so please come.

pat fermanich's picture

jc give more imfo come and say your real name. dont be shy.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Hey J C. instead of rambling why don't you offer you help with my father here, so we can communicate about your profile of our father. Yes his Elder Lawyer representing our father and his trust Lawyer for slander of our family on a blog pandering violent actions.

pat fermanich's picture

hey jc step up to the plate ashole. man or mouse.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

JC we all know who you are now. Good luck!

JC's picture

Wow, do you guys realize what google is or how you use it? You, Pat, put your name as your username. It's not that hard to figure this stuff out.

"Yes his Elder Lawyer representing our father and his trust Lawyer for slander of our family on a blog pandering violent actions."

WTF does this even mean? Has anyone actually said anything threatening?

BTW, I think I hear Whitney, Skippy and Gus barking/meowing. They maybe need some food.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Nagler allowed this on forum via slander of my family. Sure that will be real funny in court. Ha ha laughing all the way to bank right JC? By the way copied all comments for recourse and litigatin.

pat fermanich's picture

nagler wants us off post fine but dont bad mouth other family members.on this post during our lose of mother .may god remember you. its about sports not the pat and mike show

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

It means legal recourse JC because we know who your are via resource on internet and someone has revealed your name, I mean real name. ???????????????? You did "my father should have beat both us". Please come and see me JC alot of people want to talk to you and not just relatives!

JC's picture

I said beat some sense into you both. Metaphorically. Cmon.

CSS's picture

'Libel' is defamation of character via the 'written' word, 'slander' is spoken. Nobody has 'defamed' your family and there is no lawsuit.

Yes, it would be nice to actually discuss football instead of constantly insulting people, please take your own advice.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Shut-up CSS its is none of your business Unless you want to make it your business come and see me with your buddie JC

JC's picture

I wish there would be a required test to access the internet.

Michael (Pat/s Twin)'s picture

Please I am the Lawyer for the family reading this bs and I will ask you stop with it now. I have already been in contact with authorities about this blog. CSS you are not a Lawyer and I suggest you be silent now! They need no special test to post and you must stop. Warning 1: You have violated there civil rights by even suggesting a test to get on an open forum, Perhaps CSS would like to test your theory in court? You know who the family is so I suggest you contact them by phone or letter. I will be waiting! H H & R Attorneys.

packeraaron's picture

Michael (Pat/s Twin), you can address any legal matters to me: aaron at cheesheadtv.com.

Otherwise, stick to football and stop playing Internet tough guy in the comments section.

JC's picture

"Warning 1: You have violated there civil rights by even suggesting a test to get on an open forum"

LMFAO

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