Don't Worry Mike

Mike McCarthy needn't worry about what is sure to be a shortended offseason whenever a new collective bargaining agreement is finalized.

Good post from Rob Demovsky on Mike McCarthy's less-than-thrilled take on what is sure to be a truncated offseason once the NFL and the Players Association agree on a new collective bargaining agreement.

From Demovsky:

McCarthy installs his entire system – offense, defense and special teams – during the offseason program, OTAs and minicamp so that by the time the players report to training camp after a month-long break, everything has already been presented to them and has already been repped in an 11-on-11 setting.

Training camp is merely a review, and more time can be spent on evaluating players rather than teaching them.

“I don’t know what goes on at the other 31 teams; all I know is those practices are important,” McCarthy said. “That time in the classroom is very important because when you have the opportunity to have everything in when you leave at the end of June, when those players go to that rookie symposium (before training camp), those rookies, that football team has seen everything. This is it guys, we’re not adding anything. They’ve had everything.

“Now my deal is you’ve got the four weeks off or whatever, and then you come back and it’s time to compete for a job and compete for a roster spot. I’ve always thought that way as a coordinator and as a quarterback coach because at the end of the day, that man’s competing for a job on your football team. So I’d want to know what the deal is. I don’t want to be learning new plays in training camp. Some people do it that way already, so that’s fine. I don’t agree with that. I’ve done it this way. I think it works. I think there’s a vulnerability particularly to the younger player, when you don’t have the time in May and June to get them ready for training camp because training camp is different. Let’s not lose that. I think the younger player is going to be limited with less opportunity to get trained.”

I think McCarthy is being a typical coach here. He's done it this way, has been successful this way and is loathe to mess up what is working. That's just how coaches are, especially in today's NFL.

McCarthy knows he's fighting a losing battle here. One of the concessions the owners are sure to make is giving back offseason time to the players (indeed a shortened offseason period was part of the proposal that was on the table when talks ended)

I'm here to tell Mike that its going to be ok.

I've long maintained that the NFL offseason is a glorified babysitting service. Clubs like to keep guys where they can control their workouts and schedules  - and of course get the type of work done McCarthy is talking about above.

But the fact is that teams don't need so many offseason sessions to accomplish what they need to accomplish. I know a lot of people like to say "Lombardi never saw his guys in the offseason" but there's a much more recent example to draw from, namely the previous Super Bowl champions.

Here's a telling quote from Sean Payton from the recently completed owners meetings, courtesy of Jeff Duncan who covers the Saints for the Times-Picayune:

We’ve never been one, if you look at our history, we’ve never utilized all of our OTAs. In other words, we’ve never used 14 since I’ve been here. We’ve always hovered around 11 or 12 with one of them might being a team-building activity. We’ve never reported to camp technically (on the earliest report date). I’ve always looked at training camp as two weeks, play a preseason game. Three weeks…There’s just a process. Certainly that could be shorter and you’d function and you’d go. What’s most important is, I believe, the strength and the stamina that lead up to. In other words, two weeks we could start off and play a game and yet what are the ramifications from an injury standpoint in regards to the health of. Those are the challenges and concerns. I thint that’s the biggest thing. When I was a younger coach, the offseason you wanted to do more than just weights and running. You wanted to do pass routes and all these other things with the OTAs. I valued the running and lifting more and more as I got older than maybe I did when I was younger for the team, separate from the coaches. That time of the year when they’re getting their bodies ready for a long season.

Now I'm not saying "McCarthy has to copy Payton". Far from it. What I am saying is that losing some of the offseason sessions won't be the detriment McCarthy makes it out to be, especially in relation to what he cites with younger players. The core of his roster is maturing and needs less time for install than they may have the last two or three years. Younger players will need to be brought along by veterans a bit more but overall a truncated offseason shouldn't be any real hindrance to McCarthy's plans.

 

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NickGBP's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:19 pm

Sort of a silly argument...the question isn't whether or not you can be effective with less of an offseason (obviously someone will have to if it comes to that), but it's whether McCarthy specifically is able to handle it.

A huge benefit to his program is that he's gotten the players to buy in to early preparation. He's won a Super Bowl with that program, so anyone who didn't buy into last year surely is converted by now. But with these changes it's all out the window and one of McCarthy's strengths (preparation and organization) is at risk. He doesn't have the spontaneity of a Payton who might get by without OTAs. McCarthy works through preparation and that's being taken away from him. Plenty of reason to be concerned if you're a Packer fan when he's the coach.

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PackerAaron's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:26 pm

Wasn't meant to be "an argument". Was meant to be a soothing voice of reason, telling Mike that everything will be ok... ;)

And for the record, I get what you're saying about the differences between the two coaches, but I also think you're way off base thinking Packer fans need to be "concerned". Mike will be fine. He's a smart guy. He'll get the work done.

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ZUB's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:33 pm

If anyone can handle adversity its MM. He proved himself this last season.

I think MM already knows it will be ok.

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NickGBP's picture

March 30, 2011 at 08:04 pm

Concerned probably isn't the ideal word, you're right. But a Packers fan should at least consider its impact specifically because of all of the emphasis McCarthy puts on it.

Kind of sounded like I was bagging on McCarthy. To be clear I think he's great. I said it before we won a single playoff game...making the playoffs with those injuries was worthy of a coach of the year nod (obviously I'm super impartial here ;) but I do think it was a legitimate argument for him). Clearly with a season like that he's shown he's able to adapt, so it's not like he's doomed. But it's certainly worthy of note for a fan.

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Bearmeat's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:28 pm

Have to disagree Nick -

Simply put, with the guys coming back off IR in August, this is the best roster in the NFL. By far. With arguably (Slocumb and possibly Campen aside) the best coaching staff.

They'll be fine. An argument could be made that this will even help GB's players recover from the toll on their bodies that the long grind down the stretch run took.

And at any rate, with the offseason looking like it will be blocked off at this point, I think the Packers are sitting much prettier than about 25 other teams, including the other three in the NFCN. Simply put, they have the coaching, players and scheme to in place to compete at a high level if necessary with only a small amount of preparation.

Compare GB's situation to that of the Vikes. Holy cow.

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Nerdmann's picture

March 30, 2011 at 10:22 pm

Agreed, they played an extra month of football. The extra rest will do them good, especially since they have that core group of players returning. Not much turnover with this team.
They're already on the same page. Especially now that the 3-4 has had a couple years to be installed.

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ZUB's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:26 pm

I have to agree with MM on this one and disagree with you.

MM proved his system works in his player's development, just look at what he was able to accomplish with 15 players on IR this past year. They were ready to play at a high level. IMO his off season program had to be a factor in this success.

Example, Shields comes to mind. Without a solid off season studying the technical aspects of the defense he would have struggled. I think Shields started training camp with a solid understanding of the play book which lead to his success.

Interesting to find out what the Patriots do in their off season?

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PackerAaron's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:28 pm

And yet, Howard Green and Erik Walden walked in off the street and played a ton of snaps - in the same defense - three or four days after being picked up.

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ZUB's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:38 pm

But just think if the surrounding players where not so intuned with the defense. We had a lot of young and inexperienced players playing like veterans (they new what to do like it was second nature) which allowed Walden and Green to make the tansition.

IMO the off season program was a factor.

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PackerAaron's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:43 pm

Of course it was and will still be. But people, including McCarthy, make it out to be way bigger than it is. Losing a weeks worth of OTAs is not going to significantly impede the progression of rookies and first year players.

I would also contend that the defense was "so attuned" because it was Week 8 of the season...

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ZUB's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:52 pm

Confidence and belief in a system is a fragile thing. It does not take long for a few mental errors to explode, especially with an injury plagued season like last year where you have lots of personal changes.

Solid foundation was key to last years success.

IMO you can teach anybody the technical aspects of the game, once they have that down (confidence), then you can let your physical attributes take over.

If your brain is thinking too hard, its hard to play at the speeds of the NFL.

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PackerAaron's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:55 pm

I totally agree with all of that. And I don't think, say, 8 OTA practices instead of 14 OTA practices is the tipping point.

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calpackfan's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:36 pm

I agree that this is more of a McCarthy thing and his control issue. However, looking at last season, Capers did awesome on the fly with with very little prep at times. So maybe it's more likely to affect the offense than the defense. But considering all the team went through last year, I agree in general with Aaron, that it will all work out as this team matured tremendously by the end of the season. I just hope there is a season...lol.

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ZUB's picture

March 30, 2011 at 02:45 pm

Capers is a factor forsure, but coaches like K. Green have the biggest impact with players like Walden. Just look at what he has done with rookies with no experience in the NFL. They are undrafted, 7th rounders, and street players with the exception of Clay Mathews.

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PackersRS's picture

March 30, 2011 at 03:01 pm

I agree with MM that it will be another adversity; when you do something the same way for a while, and it's a proven thing, it's always harder to have to change things. Like NickGBP said, and I agree, MM thrives on preparation, and the more he can control, the better.

That being said, I also agree with Nagler that it won't be a real concern. As exemplified by all the street FAs that helped us win, and performed admirably, MM's offseason is more of a bonus than a condition for sucess.

Would it help bring along faster the rookies and FAs, and better develop the 2nd and 3rd year players? Absolutely.
But the core of our team is knowledged and cohesive enough to make up for it.

It will not be a loss of 1 or 2 weeks of OTAs that will prevent this team from repeating.

BTW, SO glad to have some football talk.

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ZUB's picture

March 30, 2011 at 03:23 pm

I just had a thought, no alcohol involved here.

The OTAs maybe more important for MM's mindset. Getting him in tuned with his players.

MM is playing it off as a need for the players, but it really fits his personality and the way he gets ready to coach a season.

Its more for MM's benefit than than the players

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NickGBP's picture

March 30, 2011 at 08:10 pm

Yep. That was my theory. The feeling of "control" and believing that he's got everything in place probably helps him mentally. This kind of throws that all out of sync which might affect his confidence more than anything else.

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WoodyG's picture

March 30, 2011 at 03:58 pm

" But the FACT is that teams don't need so many offseason sessions to accomplish what they need to accomplish. " ......

I don't see how anyone on the outside looking in can possibly know this .....

There's an extremely fine line between winning & losing ..... To have a thorough understanding in any area means fewer mistakes, especially by young & inexperienced players ..... Even with all the offseason prep time now, young players still struggle ......

Looks like someone has taken to heart "BF's Offseason Philosophy" of why me? ..... Hell, I've got wood to chop & grass to cut ..... All I want to do is show up on Sunday.

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PackerAaron's picture

March 30, 2011 at 04:08 pm

You're right. What I've posted above is completely congruous to Brett Favre skipping the offseason.

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WoodyG's picture

March 30, 2011 at 04:22 pm

" completely congruous " .... Your words, not mine ..... I would use the term 'similar in direction' .....

The best players in the NFL are the most prepared to play the game .... Even limited athletic ability can be overcome with superior preparedness .... How many 'superior athletes' under-achieve (or bust) due to their lack of football understanding & prep? ...... All MM is doing is trying to gain an edge .... He'll need this edge to bring home 2 or 3 more SB wins ......

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PackersRS's picture

March 31, 2011 at 01:10 pm

Agreed in theory, disagreed on the extreme example used.

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dgtalmn's picture

March 30, 2011 at 03:58 pm

I believe that practice is extremely important and why not be a 365 sport. When I played I always practiced/trained. My "offseason" was really study and training for the next season. You can see some great NFL players that follow that scenario.

Plus it give sports writers more to write about :)

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orangeman's picture

March 30, 2011 at 05:10 pm

I think the good ones never stop training too.

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jerseyAl's picture

March 30, 2011 at 08:23 pm

There you go again, trying to take away the opportunity for some guys to look All-Pro in shorts...

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PackersRS's picture

March 31, 2011 at 01:12 pm

You mean Alan Barbre and Breno Giacomini AREN'T amazing tackles?
/shivers with the memory

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