Deep Breath

I never considered MM might be trying to make a point to TT by being so freaking stubborn with his schemes/gameplans. That’s really interesting. And if it’s the case, I’m even more pissed at him than I already was. (And that’s not to say I have the slightest bit of sympathy for TT.) But there’s a support group for people who hate their bosses: It’s called Everyone. Suck it up MM, make some changes, put the players you *do* have in a position to succeed, and win a big game. For once.

6-10, here we come!

In all fairness, McCarthy is pretty much what he was advertised to be when coming in: a good coordinator whose good offensive teams, though statistically pretty, never seemed to exceed the 8-8 threshold.

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The problem, as you well know, Aaron, goes to the top of the pile, as far up as Mark Murphy. Whereas Bob Harlan and Ron Wolf had the spine to tell the executive committee to stay put at their Kiwanis functions and stay the FUCK out of football operations, the meddling little bastards have their fingerprints all over the current organizational structure.

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Cliff Christl wasn’t espousing flimsy conspiracy theories in his recent column. The exec committe IS trouble. I know, I grew up and went to high school with their kids. I know these ignoble scumbags, and I know what kind of damage they can bring to the organization if there is no Harlan or Wolf to keep a shock collar on them.

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I love Bedard, but the way he seemed to dismiss Christl’s take in a recent chat (or wherever it was) just shows that Bedard is still new to town. He doesn’t understand that these clowns who run car dealerships and real estate empires meddle with the franchise all too frequently. They are clearly doing it again; look no further than the faceless non-entity of a president the team currently has.

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I fear that years of despair and grief are upon us.

Against the Cowboy defense AR’s career is not on the line. His life? Now that’s a different issue. If they still don’t change their scheme a parental guidance warning should be inserted on the screen before each Packer possession. The Cowboy defense is big, fast and mean.
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Be afraid, very afraid!

Do professional coaches ever ask the players what needs to change to get more productivity? Or is it always top down, heavy handed, coaches way only? If you involve the players in devising the game plan I assume it would increase player motivation.

The best move the Packers have made in about 40 years was canning Tom Braatz in mid-November.
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I don’t really see the problem in firing TT yesterday. Let the new GM watch the team for the 2nd half of the season as preparation for the off-season and the draft. I’d be shocked if it happened, though. The current regime seems committed to complacency.

Good post, Aaron. I just want to see a well executed, mistake free football game by this team. There are a whole host of team/individual performance issues that frustrate me but it’s so frustrating to not know what the team COULD be if special teams, offense and defense executed.

BTW – during your pitchfork and torch post I stated we wait until 10 games until judging McCarthy. Two consecutive weeks of a team sleepwalking through various quarters was quite enough for me. Execute and manage a game against the Cowboys and I will back off. Right now, I’m part of the mob.

Thanks for the post, Aaron.

Nicely done, Aaron. I can’t really add anything to it, other than to simply reiterate that TT needs a kick in the sac for the “talent” of the O line, and McSuperSize needs one for his stubborn stupidity.
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Please people, enough with bashing Mark Murphy. He got stuck with TT and MM for 5 years thanks to the extensions Harlan doled out before he retired. He might eventually suck…he might not. He is totally an unknown entity at this point. Period. End of story. The people that slam Murphy are basing it solely on the Favre marketing deal. Yes, it was stupid. But the guy has never hired ANYBODY, so how can we know what kind of GM he would hire if he had that chance? He’ll have the chance one day…most likely early January, 2010 if things keep going the way they’re going. We just don’t know enough about him to form any type of opinion whatsoever.

Sorry Aaron, meant coordinator

Capers has turned the running D around, BY MUCH.

But to say it’s the players… Well, yes, they aren’t suited to only rush 3 or 4, straight to the QB.

But there’s a thing that a DC invented in the NFL, to compensate for the lack of pure pass rush, you know, THE ZONE BLITZ??? How much have you seen this team Blitz, or confuse offenses, aside from the Preseason? This defense has been more vanilla than with Cel. Sanders.

But I think Dom Capers got it wrong… It was to be vanilla in the preseason and bring it all out during regular season… NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

Yeah – they just gave up 38 to the friggin’ bucs. time to start bringin’ the house. If you’re gonna go down, might as well go down while rushing 8+.
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Guys are running around free as is – what’s the difference?

It’s a little more accurate to say the defense gave up 24 to the Bucs, seeing has how 1 TD was a blocked punt and 1 was an INT return. Since yet another INT was returned to our 7 yard line, I’m pretty comfortable pinning a whole 17 points on the defense.
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Special teams have put our D in horrible field position all year. On the list of things to freak out about, I put the defense down a notch or two behind the “talent” of the O line, and McCalorie’s coaching the O. We’re 2nd in the league in avg yds/rush against at 3.5, AFTER seeing Peterson twice. We finished up last year at 26th with 4.6. Pressuring the QB is just as bad as last year, and I think we just don’t have guys that are good at it, no matter what the scheme. I’m okay with the D for now, until they give up 250 yards rushing to Dallas next week, of course……….

Hmmmm! Aaron Kampman played most of the TB game with a concussion. Don’t they have a medical staff? If so, they go too. You mean to tell me no one was checking for players that didn’t seem right on the field op sidelines? The whole damn organization seems to be falling apart.

Ruppert is correct. Harlan gave us TT & MM. He didn’t want the Packers to succeed better than they did during his regime, so he hired guys who were so so to mask what they really were. When he hired TT I though “Who the hell is that?” Rediculous. Murphey doesn’t have the balls to send them packing, so we’re stuck with the undynamic duo for another year for sure. When they fail again next year, they’ll be gone.

CSS, I realize the subtleties of a concussion. My comments on the Med Staff were a tad sarcastic and tongue-in-cheek. But, when you look at some closeups of Kampman after a play he had this wide-eyed, blank look on his face. I thought maybe someone on the sideline might have noticed too.
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From Gary Ellerson on WSSP: If MM doesn’t change his scheme by Sunday they’ll need to buy a bodybag for AR.
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Talk is that Colledge is going to be benched for Sunday and Lang starts at LG. Colledge? Wasn’t he one of the guys we needed to save cap money for?

McCarthy should go back to collecting tolls

“Dallas is favored by 2.5…take Dallas”

I did. For the first time I’m gonna pick against the pack on my weekly office picks, and with my wallet. If I gotta sit through piss poor football like that… I might as well be making some $$$$ on it (at least my Sunday’s won’t totally suck). I thought I’d feel guilty pulling the trigger on the bet, but you know, I like easy $$$$.

GBP 4 LIFE

nerdmann,

Don’t forget about the coaching!

GBP 4 LIFE

nerdmann,

Did you miss last season, the defense all last season was done in the forth quarter. I kept calling every week for someone to take away the pay checks for the defense in the forth quarter. This game is 60 minutes long, 4 quarters, it doesn’t matter how big of a lead you have, you don’t play to get out front and then just plan to stay there are “try” things out, thats what practice is for, any morron can tell you that except for the ones running the show in GB.

And on the weather, training camp can be in that same type of weather and these are professionals, lets quite making excuses.

I’m stuck in Bear country and all I hear every week is how the injuries, oh the injuries, if Urlacher was healthy, blah blah blah, if you ask me Lovie Smith and MM went to the same damn school and are just about the same ammount of delushinal.

Could be the Bucs weren’t the pushovers we thought they were? If you watched the preseason, you could see that Josh Johnson had potential and they worked him all during the bye.
Also you have Jim Bates running the defense, you all remember him and what he did for the Pack’s D? They added players in the bye and were rested, ready.
The Packers have had injuries that have disrupted any continuity to the OL, which is still young. AR is not practicing with his receivers as much as he may need to due to foot injuries and it may be catching up with him. If they’re dropping passes on him why would AR trust a short passing game?
There were tropical force winds out there. Finley and Nelson are out. The running game did get untracked some, but there were still third and longs. Just some things to consider in the mix.
And you want to replace the GM and coaching staff with who? Gruden, who after a super bowl win with Dungy’s players went into a slow decline and ended his run with players and fans complaining loudly about him. Cowher – he’ll have to hire an offensive coordinator. Shanahan is not coming here, wore out his welcome in Denver. Dungy is happily retired.
Holmgren wants to GM with an East Coast team and how did his stint as GM work out for Seattle?
And this club spends more money on coaching contracts while paying off others – instead of players they need. Brilliant.

foundinidaho and I you. Any given Sunday.
Great comment posted (sorry I can’t remember who) on the previous topic, a quote from the Green Bay Press Gazette:

“— The Bucs’ press coverage all but took away the quick-hitters and three-step drops after Rodgers hit WR Greg Jennings for option slants of 11 and 6 on the first two drives. It also made receivers work harder to get open at times, and with the mounting protection issues up front, downfield routes sometimes didn’t clear fast enough for Rodgers to get the ball out. At other times, the Cover-2 shell created a bracket effect, such as on the second interception — a post that went through Jennings’ hands at the 4. Bucs CB Aqib Talib, matched up with Jennings much of the day, was playing under coverage with S Corey Lynch picking up the deep route about 10 yards downfield. Lynch played it better than expected, but Rodgers’ perfect throw still gave the Packers a chance. Jennings just dropped it.”

Had a feeling it isn’t as simple as people sometimes make it out to be. I do think the coaching staff prepares. MM is known as a hard worker. Murphy was quoted in a JS article that he sees the (coaching, I assume) structure as sound. Why what is done in practice doesn’t always translate to the game, I don’t know – but it may have something to do with ehst the opponents come up with.

“Maybe the Bucs were better than 0-7, they had the bye week to establish a game plan…”, If you find yourself writing or thinking this BULLSHIT, END IT! ‘Cause you’ve lost your grip on reality. There is no justifiable reason the GBP lose THAT game. Rationalization is a powerful beast, don’t let it get the better of you. NO EXCUSE for that performance, NO EXCUSE.

GBP 4 LIFE

Glorious80s, you make some good points too. This Bucs team did play tough and they were rallying around their coach.
But our special teams need to play better than that.
Yeah, the lack of practice might be getting to Rodgers, and his dump off guys do tend to drop the ball. But Rodgers still needs to throw it to them. If they drop it, they drop it. At least he’s getting it out.

There is absolutely no way on the face of the earth that the Pack will beat Dallas on Sunday.

That breaks my heart, but I’m willing to endure it if it brings the McCarthy era to an end.

I want Cowher and I want him bad, but that’s another pipe dream.

It is not rationalization to recognize your opponents have talent and good coaching on their side. To disrespect opponents is arrogance and walking into a trap game, which is what this was. They had two weeks to prepare for this game plus Jim Bates’ defense.
For three quarters the Packers managed to get by, but failed in the end. Yes, special teams set up some of the scoring and bad field positions. On one of the punts, according to reports, the punter was expecting a certain wind condition that did not materialize. And the defense at times, could not stop Freeman, who is their #1 draft choice. Maybe some of these errors by the Pack are caused by what the other side is doing, like Kuhn falling for a stunt on the blocked punt. Lesson hopefully learned.
TB, according to the above GBPG, covered the short and long passing game.
“…the Cover-2 shell created a bracket effect, such as on the second interception — a post that went through Jennings’ hands at the 4. Bucs CB Aqib Talib, matched up with Jennings much of the day, was playing under coverage with S Corey Lynch picking up the deep route about 10 yards downfield. Lynch played it better than expected, but Rodgers’ perfect throw still gave the Packers a chance. Jennings just dropped it.” GBPG
It’s remarkable that AR made that throw. Maybe AR holds the ball because he’s trying to complete the play when other things arn’t working. Not a bad quality. But, he’s learning and makes mistakes.
It’s not just what your team does, it’s how they perform against opposing players and what they do. This is the NFL, parity league.
The OL is hurting, young and can’t get continuity playing with each other in real time situations. Kind of a flip of last year.
They have to keep plugging on trying to solve the problems, naturally.