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...with Donald's Designated Driver about the tiresome nature of hearing from various Packer fans and bloggers about the dire need for the Packers to bring in Vonnie Holiday for a workout, if not sign him outright.

Look, I though grabbing Holiday or Kevin Carter several weeks ago was not a bad idea. Now? No doubt teams will see how the draft plays out and then approach guys like Holiday to fill out their rosters. As DDD points out, the rest of the league isn't exactly tripping over themselves to sign Holiday right now either.

I understand that DDD and I might be making more than is necessary of one line in a single a blog post, but it's not the only place I've read it and I've had many, many friends who are Packer fans say similar things about Holiday. I just think that the implication that the Packers are negligent in their duties because they work out a basketball player who they've never seen play the game of football but don't bring in a veteran like Holiday, a player that the Packers have literally hundreds of hours of tape on, is absurd.

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Pack93z's picture

I think I mentioned that about a week into free agency.. why the rush?

awh's picture

Aaron - I don't think it's a stretch at all to wonder why the Pack would go out of their way to look at a guy who hasn't played football in 5 years when there are major holes at other positions on the team. I also don't think it's a stretch to lobby for Holliday - a player who by all accounts had a very solid year last year and whom we already know to be a great locker room guy.

awh's picture

Aaron - I should add that this post runs counter to your post on March 2nd in which you stated that you'd "love it" if the Packers picked up Holliday.

packeraaron's picture

I would love it. I said so on MARCH 2ND. That was almost two months ago. I still think he'd be a good pick up. For whatever reason, Thompson and the Packers don't. Fine. I haven't gone back to the subject - you have. I hear they're still interested in Kevin Carter and I think a veteran along the line is a good idea. Let the draft play out and we'll see what Thompson does.

I just don't get the indignation for Thompson leaving no stone unturned. Fans complain he doesn't use every avenue to improve the team - and when he tries something, they complain. Just makes no sense to me...

joshywoshybigfatposhy's picture

i know people get crazy.

but the argument for holliday is basically that he fulfills some pretty great, even Thompson-esque (minus one) qualifiers:

1. he's talented
2. he'd come pretty cheap
3. he's proven himself as a quality guy, and a good leader
4. he has experience in the 3-4
5. he has good size for the position
6. he wants to come to green bay
7. his name is Dimetry Giovonni Holliday, for christ's sake.
8. he's a veteran (that's the 'minus one')

i understand no organization should spend a million or two lightly. but this team does not need another rookie prospect making 350,000 (who's got less than a coin-flip's chance to amount to $50 in production) when there's a guy like the von-ster saying he'd love to come back to Green Bay.

unless the gm's know something we don't - injury, higher salary demands, etc. - i don't really care about the status quo. those other gm's don't have the same needs as we do.

joshywoshybigfatposhy's picture

i guess you might agree with all that aaron, but the fear isn't that thompson wouldn't do it period, but that he'd wait too long and someone else'd snatch him up. i'm not sure what the harm is in being quick-triggered here.

awh's picture

Well put Joshy - agreed. One problem with waiting too long is that he could sign elsewhere. Why not make a move for him now and see how it works out? And, while I find it a bit odd that we'd scout a former QB who hasn't played in 5 years, as I said in my post, I'm not necessarily opposed to it. Maybe he's loaded with talent. It's just that in the context of the team's greater needs, it just doesn't quite add up. It's sort of like me spending extra hours on the driving range hitting my driver when my driving has been very good but everyone knows it's my short game that sucks.

L.A.'s picture

I understand the interest in Holliday, and even wrote about it a couple weeks ago. But seriously...we really think he's going to be an impact player? No. I've ridden Thompson endlessly about his penchant for bringing in young kids without having veteran backups to guide them along (OL in 2006, RB in 2007, QB in 2008), and Holliday would serve well in that role. But I don't believe bringing in Holliday serves as much more than that and some poetic Antonio Freeman-esque conclusion to his career.

Franklin Hillside's picture

I don't think it can be considered "snatching up" after two months. If he's still there now, he'll still be there after the draft. Sheesh.

Ron La Canne's picture

Amen Josh! Didn't GB sign the incompetent M. Montgomery to a two year deal? He spent most of the year on his butt or trapped inside. A rookie was starting over him him for goodness sake. I'd take Holiday in the blink of an eye. He'd be the depth in the tackle position they need desperately.

Let's not forget Pickett and Jenkins are coming off injuries. Jolly will be gone for some time next year. If he goes to trial (June 26) and is convicted it could be for a long time. If he plea bargains, probably four games. Harrell is not progressing on schedule according to Demoshky (sp?).

bucky's picture

Aaron makes a good point: if Holliday were that valuable, you'd think someone else might have snapped him up by now, even if the Packers weren't sharp enough to do so. I think the reason why is that teams don't want to figure Holliday in the mix when prioritizing their draft choices. They don't want to be in a position where someone's gonna say, "don't pick that DE in the fourth round, we have Vonnie Holiday. . . ."

My own opinion of Holliday really declined toward his final days in GB. He took himself out of nearly every play by trying to take a wide speed rush to the QB, opening up huge lanes between himself and whoever was playing DT. To me it looked like he was trying to pad his sack stats in advance of pending FA.

DDD- his analysis is usually pretty good so long as he sticks to football.

packeraaron's picture

Ron - let me get this straight - our old veterans are breaking down and coming off injuries - so we should run out and sign a 30 something defensive lineman?

Donald's Designated Driver's picture

"It’s sort of like me spending extra hours on the driving range hitting my driver when my driving has been very good but everyone knows it’s my short game that sucks."

This is a bad analogy. It assumes improving the depth at one position is mutually exclusive of improving another position.

"Don't even think about getting a better punter when we have problems at tackle...."

No NFL team is all that crazy about Vonnie Holiday. Does that tell you anything (i.e., that everyone in the NFL is a know-nothing)?

IPBprez's picture

Have to agree. The smart play here "is" to wait and see what happens in the Draft, then go out and see if Holliday might want to end his days at 1265.
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How many times has Ted Thompson gone and brought back any former Packer Player? Don't forget that.
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I wasn't real happy when he got let go in the first place. Vonnie's what, 33? I think it's his age that bothers the other teams. With exception of the Patriots, I would think only in desperate straits would just about any other team even give it consideration. Look what happen to Mr. Miami when he went to the Redskins (after Dancing with the Stars). If the Pats are already loaded up, that would explain why they haven't grabbed him.

Donald's Deisgnated Driver's picture

"DDD- his analysis is usually pretty good so long as he sticks to football."

Like they say, you can't please all the people all the time. When I created my blog, I intended to cover football, pop culture, politics, whatever strikes my fancy. Like I said, when you don't have a deep expertise in any single topic, its best to diversify.

During football season, my blog is pretty football-centric. In the offseason there is much less to discuss (unless you are an obsessed masochist like Aaron and re-watch every game of a painful Packer season to gain new insights).

On the other hand, we are in the middle of a truly transformative period in American history. There is a lot to talk about. I do my best to be light-hearted and tongue-in-cheek. I definitely don't want to be preachy (at the same time these issues are important and it sometime difficult not to preach if only just a little). I have a number of times refused to post things that I finished because I thought they were just too heavy-handed.

Ultimately, my goal is to maintain a blog that even if you vehemently disagree with me you will understand where I am coming from, and appreciate my reasoning. Maybe the blog is not "there yet" but that's what I am trying to do. Anyhow, I do hope that you continue to read with an open mind.

packeraaron's picture

"Ultimately, my goal is to maintain a blog that even if you vehemently disagree with me you will understand where I am coming from, and appreciate my reasoning" - you're well on your way, DDD. I don't often agree with you outside of the Packers (heck, as most readers know, even then we have our differences) but All Kinds of Time is a daily stop for me. Just wish there was a bit more posting... ;)

sfhayes's picture

"I understand that DDD and I might be making more than is necessary of one line in a single a blog post."

I love it when we agree.

packeraaron's picture

It IS such a rare occurrence after all...
;)

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