Cory's Corner: Jordan Love Needs To Play

The preseason is generally a time to rest starters. But that needs to change. 

The question gets asked every year at this time. 

And every year, the same question divides the fan bases of each NFL team. 

In Green Bay, that question is, should Jordan Love play in the preseason? Since he played zero percent of the offensive snaps his rookie season, 34 percent in 2021 and 11 percent in 2022, I think the obvious answer is that he needs to play. 

Yes, I know that there’s a chance that the Packers quarterback could get hurt. And that would be absolutely brutal because, as we all know, quarterback is the most important position in all of sports. 

But coach Matt LaFleur doesn’t have a choice. The Packers have the youngest wide receiving corps in the NFL. Love needs game action to form a bond with those guys. Not to mention, both tight ends, who have shown plenty of promise so far in camp, are both rookies and also need to see game action from their starting quarterback. 

The growing majority of NFL head coaches don’t like to play their starting quarterback for fear of injury. But in this instance, the reward outweighs the risk. 

And yes, even if Love does play, we all know that he is going to go up against vanilla defenses. But the confidence he gains by throwing darts to his green receivers is going to be well worth it. 

The 24-year-old Love needs a spark. This offseason might have been the weirdest in NFL history for a quarterback that has not been a starter. And now it is expected that Love goes out in the season opener and does amazing without getting any game action?

Come on. I’ve heard of a lot of crazy things, but that doesn’t make any sense. Love needs to play. If he plays well in the preseason, it won’t be a measure of how good of a quarterback he is, but it sure will set him up to be a good one. 

The preseason is considered the throw away portion of the NFL calendar. But for Love and most of the Packers skill guys, it is a necessary evil. The Packers need Love to play solid this year and in order for that to happen, he must get on the same page with his guys. 

LaFleur is going to have to swallow hard, but deep down he knows that Love needs to play. He may not want him to play, but he knows that he needs to play. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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GregC's picture

August 08, 2023 at 06:23 am

I've been assuming that Love would play in the preseason, although come to think of it, I haven't heard anything about this from Matt LaFleur or anyone else in the organization. (You would think we could at least count on Mark Murphy to shoot from the hip on this issue.)

If Love does play, the question is how much? I'm thinking at least two or three drives per game, and maybe an entire half in one of them. Maybe less than that if the offense is really rolling, but I doubt that it will be. There are bound to be some hiccups.

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UdderApocowlipse's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:03 am

Why run your own stuff during televised preseason games when you could run it during closed portions of joint practices against other teams? I just don't see the wunderkind offense happening much, if at all, during the preseason, which is almost what you are saying.

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GregC's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:31 am

I didn't say anything about what plays they should run. Of course they should keep it simple, which is standard practice for preseason games.

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stockholder's picture

August 08, 2023 at 06:25 am

I have No problem with Love playing.
Just as long as it's with the #1s.
Most back-ups wait for their chance-
Game Ready= the #1s .

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2023 at 07:53 am

I want to see him play with anyone truly in the mix for significant playing time, not just notional starters. I thing a series or two with Watson and Doubs and then feed in those behind him. At RB I don’t expect much more than a token presence if Jones or Dillon. I do want to see him with Tom at C for an extended period. That’s going to mean potentially Jones at RT.

These guys are inexperienced and their roles mostly unsettled. They need snaps. The time for experimentation is now not September. Answer questions don’t avoid facing them. At some point that trumps injury risk for all but the most obvious stars.

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stockholder's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:21 am

The Ol is different from the "receivers."
The OL will play. Same at Rb.
I'm after timing and route running.
For Love to play.
If you look at the depth chart just released.
DeGaura is now a Fb. Remember Montgomery.?
And Taylor the 3rd back.
Toure is Listed over Reed.
And Tom is the RT.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2023 at 12:43 pm

Deguara has always been a H or F back. LaFleur wanted him for that role and has always described him as an H back. He was never a true in-line TE. He’s not really a true fullback in the sense Kuhn, Henderson and their modern predecessors were.

He’s now been moved to a classification that emphasized that. Good, perhaps that helps some grasp that reality and, more importantly, signals that we are finally committed to using that role and him to his strengths.

That also suggests that we are finally confident in our true TE room sufficiently to allow it. Taken together this is a very good sign (there are many) that this offense is going to be very different from last year and more like 2021 with motion and even the illusion of complexity.

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jannes bjornson's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:21 pm

He has to be with the First Unit. He has to be Protected from harm. They have no other choice.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:46 am

I seriously doubt Jones or Dillon play in the preseason. They keep adding RBs, which tells me they want to keep Jones and Dillon safe for the games that count. They know the offensive line, they know the playbook, they can play their way into shape the first month of the season. A little bit of exposure in the preseason won't ready them, so there's not really a reason to expose them. They need longer looks at the possible backups there. We shall see though.

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greengold's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:08 pm

If Love's out there, I want Jones or Dillon in for the pass protection. I don't want to find out Goodson can't do it with Love taking that hit.

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stockholder's picture

August 08, 2023 at 04:14 pm

Even they could miss a block.
Taylor is listed at #3 on the depth chart.

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NickPerry's picture

August 08, 2023 at 06:31 am

"And yes, even if Love does play, we all know that he is going to go up against vanilla defenses. But the confidence he gains by throwing darts to his green receivers is going to be well worth it."

I think Love SHOULD play without a doubt this preseason. The man has attempted 83 regular season passes in his NFL career but that's not even the biggest reason when you factor in the experience of ALL the pass catchers who aren't RBs.

Watson, Doubs, & Toure ... All seasoned TWO year Vets. Everyone else? Rookies. I mean they HAVE to play don't they? At least if they want to be remotely competitive in these games they'll need every minute they can get IMO.

If Love doesn't play then I have no idea WHAT IN THE HELL this team is doing. If they don't play that's coming straight from the top with Murphy and Gute, not MLF. And if that is the case, I suddenly feel sorry for MLF.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:41 pm

NP, you took the words right off my keyboard with Love facing vanilla defenses. The preseason games are an excellent time to fine tune the route running and timing between our starting receivers and Jordan. Additional snap exchanges between Love and the Center will help as well. Good post.

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cdoemel's picture

August 09, 2023 at 01:08 am

Always about Murphy and Gutekunst. So boring and wrong. Dude! Relax! Trust! Faith! Aren’t you excited for the new day?

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NickPerry's picture

August 09, 2023 at 05:51 am

Actually it's usually just about Murphy and not so much Gute but if Love doesn't play then...

YES, I'm excited for the new day, VERY excited. But what are they trying to do by sitting Love...IF that happens?

What's your take then?

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greengold's picture

August 08, 2023 at 06:33 am

I never consider preseason to be “a throw away.” It’s an opportunity to test readiness against another team.

Embrace the opportunity to make your team better in a positive way, and bring your best.

No fear. AGNFB.

Those lessons learned, with a well hewn roster and a bit of momentum can go a long way towards winning Week 1 in Chicago.

Love and the 1s should play in the 1st half. 100%.
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I've always admired Tom Brady's all out play, and his attitude towards playing in Preseason games. Here's what he had to say on the subject in 2017:

“The rhythm of practice is very different, and the only way to simulate the game is to play,” Brady said, via the Boston Herald. “I can draw on a lot of experience, but it is nice to get out there and actually do it. I mean, it was fun being out there last week. It will be, obviously, fun being out there this week, but you’re just trying to build up for one game, the start of the season in September.

Brady says he enjoys the challenge of emphasizing things in the preseason that he knows the offense needs to improve on.

“It’s like working hard after practice on things that have come into really clear view,” he said. “You [have] the things you are good at and the things you are not good at. Now is the time to put emphasis on the things you have not been solid at over the course of a lot of practices and meetings.”

“Everything is building toward that. Those snaps you are taking with new players are really important,” Brady said. “And it was nice to get Rex a touchdown pass and just for him to feel what it’s like for all us to look at another guy’s eyes in the huddle during the course of a game and saying, ‘Look, this is where we’re at. This is football. This is exactly what we’re going to be doing when the season kicks off.’”

I think THAT perspective is the one we ought to be emulating in Green Bay as we prepare for the start of every season. Words of wisdom, with the rings to prove it works. READINESS. You either have it or you don't, and it takes fully committed work to have it.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:49 am

Great stuff from Brady; and yet despite what he did in the preseason, it was #12 that won the MVP two of the last three years. So I take it with a grain of salt when talking about veteran QBs. Rodgers actually got a lot of production out of Doubs and Watson as rookies, and would have had more if they had not both lost time due to injury.

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greengold's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:10 pm

I could care less about MVP awards. Actually, now I do care less and less about them. Less than ever before.

Lombardi Trophies.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:45 pm

Spot on GG, I'm with you on individual awards and couldn't care less either. The awards i do like are the team awards, like those that go in the Super Bowl trophy case.

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Bure9620's picture

August 08, 2023 at 06:45 am

Yes...Jordan Love needs to play. I don't believe any reasonable fan would take issue. Man, the season cannot come soon enough.

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greengold's picture

August 08, 2023 at 09:04 am

Bure! We're 1 month and 2 days away from Game 1 in Chicago.

WOW!

Might as well take this time to thank you and all the other posters here and the staff at CHTV for making this entire offseason special, memorable, fun and way easier!!!

First Preseason game v. CIN is Friday night at 6pm CST.

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Savage57's picture

August 08, 2023 at 07:10 am

A prudent allocation of snaps playing with the ones, against the other team's ones, to get reps in competitive situations. Manage risk proportionate to the upside.

Limited or no exposure to units with second and and third team players trying to make a name for themselves and secure a roster spot.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 05:51 am

Hopefully everyone in the organization sees it that clearly.

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RCPackerFan's picture

August 08, 2023 at 07:26 am

Rodgers didn't need to play as he was a veteran who had played thousands of snaps. He didn't need the snaps. Love on the other hand has very little game time. He needs the reps and needs to play.

I don't expect Love to play a ton of snaps. But I do anticipate him getting some playing time.

With the team being as young as it is 56 1st and 2nd year players on the roster, a lot of players need reps. And they need reps together.

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HawkPacker's picture

August 08, 2023 at 08:53 am

"Rodgers didn't need to play as he was a veteran who had played thousands of snaps."

I agree RCP, but he did not play 'thousand of snaps' with his new wideouts last year.

In my opinion, he should have played more in the last two preseason's and that is part of the reason the Pack lost those first games the last two years. They just did not gel together at first and I believe they would have if he would have played in the preseason.

This is just my opinion!

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HawkPacker's picture

August 08, 2023 at 08:54 am

Note: I believe Love needs to play quite a bit as he does not have the experience himself and does not have enough experience with his wide outs/TE's.

They need to play him with the starters who are expected to play with him during the season.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:54 am

Well given that Watson was injured and not playing during training camp last year and didn't play in the preseason, I doubt having Rodgers play in the preseason would have improved anything with him. And Doubs and Watson were actually pretty productive as rookies and I think the limitations were due to their loss of playing time due to injury, or they would have both been higher on the list as rookie receivers. Watson was tied for number one in scores for rookie receivers.

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Swisch's picture

August 08, 2023 at 01:47 pm

Cheesehead TV thrives because of opinions.
It's good to have a certain humility of realizing we can often be wrong, but also a certain boldness in stating what we truly think.
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In this case, HawkPacker, I heartily agree with your opinion.
It would be a good discussion (of opinions) as to whether the offense of the Packers really didn't get going until sometime in the second half of last season.
If our starters not playing in the preseason last year cost us just one game in the regular season, it kept us out of the playoffs.
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For the reason of team rhythm, it may be good to get both Jones and Dillon on the field for the preseason games -- about a quarter of two.
While they have lots of prior experience, they need to get in synch with their teammates.
It also might be good for them to take a few hits in the preseason before facing the ferocity of the Bears in the opener.

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cdoemel's picture

August 09, 2023 at 01:14 am

And he never had a bunch of his players out a couple times during the off-season to run routes and get acquainted.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 05:58 am

cs, if we're going to go back to talking about AR12, yes his lack of practicing was a much bigger factor than playing preseason games.

JL10 is the present, and there are many targets this team needs him to be in sync with. I can't say how much playing time in preseason games that will require, but it seems to me that it's significant and not just a few snaps.

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greengold's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:13 am

Respectfully, RC, Rodgers should have played.

He proved he wasn't ready to begin either of the last 2 seasons, with two of his worst career performances ever in 2021's 38-3 blowout loss, at home no less, to the Saints, and last year's hack job at the Vikings in a 23-7 loss.

Those were embarrassing displays, and adversely affected his own leadership qualities by failing to be ready to play the game. Two years in a row.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 06:01 am

GG,

yup. No practice, no prep. WCGW?

I like hearing MLF saying JL10 isn't afraid of hard work. It'll be interesting to see how they handle the preseason games.

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T7Steve's picture

August 08, 2023 at 07:27 am

A couple drives. Especially short yardage and red zone work with the young tight ends. In the regular season I hope they'll just be runs, but in the preseason, we don't need our 1s (maybe the 2s&3s) at running back trying to push the pile. Just try some passing concepts and shake out the wrinkles with a young receiving group and QB.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 06:09 am

Steve, if only the top 2 or 3 WRs get any passes during preseason games, that leaves a LOT of talent out in the cold. We need that depth up to speed or at least evaluated. Having them in with the backup QBs just isn't the same thing. I think that takes more than a couple drives but I agree on going more pass heavy during exhibition games. The case could be made for not exposing the top receivers to injury risk much and concentrating on depth.

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T7Steve's picture

August 09, 2023 at 11:15 am

I was talking just the running backs. We don't need Jones and Dillon running on short yardage plays in the preseason. Pass on all of them in preseason to all the WRs and TEs.

In the regular season I think we should get running first downs without even trying. LOL

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marpag1's picture

August 08, 2023 at 07:37 am

I googled "What is a straw man argument" and this article appeared...

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TxFred's picture

August 08, 2023 at 07:42 am

This is a double edge sword. It falls on the shoulders of the coaching staff. Of any recent Pack teams, this squad needs the pre- season. Love can throw a ball from Lambeau Field to Milwaukee, but who gives a crap. He needs to really hit the receivers target. He's getting the ball to them. But they break stride, have to twist, turn needs more accuracy. That comes in pre-season. Receivers need to execute & not only rely on speed. OL & DL both needs extra work to develop bonding amount themselves also the back end of the defense. OL need coordination opening holes & timing with JL and his tandem backs. BUT, the coaches have closely monitor play times. Too much and it will show up at end of the season & play-offs. Too little playing hurts execution & timing. Plus no good talent evaluation. All comes down to MLF, Barry & staff. Everything in moderation. GPG!!!!

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greengold's picture

August 08, 2023 at 09:17 am

TxFred, you bring up a point that has been mentioned a bunch of times by others about receivers breaking stride, twisting, etc. For the record, I rewatched that FN practice about 4 times, and saw at a minimum of 3 or 4 instances of early illegal contact disrupting routes.

It's understandable, as they were letting a lot of stuff go, but I don't think it allows for an accurate reflection on Love's timing and placement on targets.

Not to bash the DBs, but many of his failures to connect were early in reps for those DBs as well, who were just getting warmed up, not unlike Love.

He's looked really good towards the end of nearly every session.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 10:19 am

That's a valuable observation!

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Since'61's picture

August 08, 2023 at 08:22 am

Based on the TC reports provided by TGR it is clear to me that Love needs to play 2-3 series in each preseason game. He has been inconsistent in practices so far.

First. the Packers have had too many fumbled snaps between their Centers and the QB. That needs to stop and it needs to be worked on in live action during the upcoming preseason games. Secondly Love needs playing time to help him reach the point where the game begins to "slow down" for him. I don't think he is close to that point yet. The Packers need to see how Love responds to hurries and pressures when the Red Jersey comes off. Quite frankly the Packers need to see how he handles being hit.

Love should play with the #1s especially the OL. I would hold out Jones and Dillon. I would also limit Watson's snaps. Doubs, Toure, Reed and the TEs should play with Love most of the series that Love is out there. After the first series I don't think I would take chances with Watson.

The Packers cannot afford to lose Jones, Dillon or Watson to preseason games. They should be the primary offensive weapons for the Packers offense through the early part of the season at least. The other skill players need the reps more than those three. It is a risk to play Love but it is a necessary one. It might have been avoided if MLF had made the decision to play Love while Rodgers had his broken thumb but for whatever reason that didn't happen. Many of the questions about Love being ready may have been answered at that time. But the current Packers management (FO) does not think very strategically on numerous issues from Murphy down to MLF. So here we are and we'll see how it goes.

Damn the torpedoes, Love plays in the preseason. Thanks, Since '61

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JRJ's picture

August 08, 2023 at 09:18 am

This reply is better than the article!

But for now, I would keep Watson in whenever Love is in, because I think Love absolutely needs Watson out there to have a decent chance of being effective. So the risk to Watson is worth it because he matters so much to Love. Maybe one series in the entire preseason they take Watson out with Love in, and have the trainers visibly stretch Watson's hammies on the sideline, and we'll see what happens with Love on that drive. I might do that, and I think the Packers might, but I fear one such drive will clearly prove my point about the importance of Watson to Love.

I'm a huge MLF fan, in particular his middle-of-the-field attacking, but without Watson out there as a real threat, defenses will adapt and Love will feel that pressure. Stats are insane now, as anything is possible, but I think stats will prove the guy that matters most to Jordan Love right now is either one or both of our young TEs, or Watson. It's not Aaron Jones, it's not even o-line (with the possible exception of center, if that exchange continues to be a problem).

To me, Jordan Love is the next great QB when his stats "without Watson (or possibly Kraft/Musgrave) on the field" aren't a complete disaster. But I think the time for that is years away, at a minimum, and the only way for Love to make it to that point is to only play Love as a package with Watson (and possibly Kraft/Musgrave as well). Love needs a lot of help right now. A lot. Quite frankly, Love is not ready to be out there without Watson.

Again, great reply. Go Pack Go!

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dobber's picture

August 08, 2023 at 09:46 am

Reports from camp have been that the Love-Watson connection hasn't been as good as Love-Doubs. Still, Love and Watson shared the field a lot together last season when ARod wasn't practicing. I'm less worried about that connex than many, so I wouldn't be averse to limiting Watson. Defenses aren't going to be game-planning much, so I wouldn't be concerned that replacing a higher-end speedster with a less experienced one will make much difference in preseason.

I think you're right: I really want to see if he's generating any chemistry in game situations with his TEs above and beyond 5 and 8 yard dumpoffs. I don't think they need Watson on the field to assess that at this stage.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:21 am

Watson needs as much time running and perfecting his routes as Love does at QB. For all his talent, he’s had issues there that that talent obscures through big plays. We need him not to settle, but perfect his craft.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 06:20 am

Dobber, I saw Doubs still dropping passes. I'd consider that as part of a "lack of connection." Agreed that once the connection is established get #9 off the field to minimize risk, but that same connection needs to be established with as many targets as possible.

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 08, 2023 at 09:37 am

Yes, 61!
Was reading through the comments to see who’d be the first to mention the O-Line! Having 10 in there while running for his life doesn’t make sense to me.

No Jones or Dillon in the preseason. (Or very, very little.) Let the other guys battle hard for the #3 RB spot.

I think preseason game reps are somewhere between “live” practice reps and regular season reps. That’s got to have value!

GPG!

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TarynsEyes's picture

August 08, 2023 at 08:24 am

It's hard to have hope/love for a QB who hasn't played, but a bare minimum of snaps, in three years since drafted. It will be hard to believe any hype from the HC, and the many Packer pundits, about that QB if he doesn't get a significant number of snaps in at least 2 preseason games. Love is about as close to unseen as can be, and not playing him a good amount will only fortify the doubt of his progress, and not him being the surprise many already have him tagged as being. We are all led to believe he has figured out the dark, now we need to see if he found the light switch to play in the spotlight, and it starts with solid play in preseason. Show us the light, whether it be dim or bright, but show us something. Words just don't cut it anymore.

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ricky's picture

August 08, 2023 at 08:34 am

Should Love play in the preseason exhibition games? Yes. Will he? Probably. Which means the other projected starters will probably get more minutes on the field also. What we should be discussing is the balance between getting Love reps against live competition, and making sure he is not put in excessive danger. So, how long should he play in each of the three games? Half the game? A quarter? Should he be on an offensive "play count"? Meaning that if he gets so many reps, they sit him. Should Love play against guys who are simply fighting to make the team? Or should he only play against the defensive starters, and a bit more against the JV team players? These are questions that the coaches are asking. Also, are the padded practices against other teams acceptable as "playing time"? Because I've never heard even a whisper that Love should not play extensively in these games. Because although they are meaningless in the standings, as you noted, getting in sync with his WR's, and playing reps even against "vanilla" defenses will be much needed experience for Love. Also, as far as Love having started only one game for the Packers? That is one more than Rodgers started before becoming the starting QB. And he turned out OK, if memory serves.

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Coldworld's picture

August 08, 2023 at 08:51 am

I think Bakh, Jaire, Smith, Jones and Dillon play little if at all. Then there are some others like Clark, Campbell, Douglas who probably don’t need the snaps but may need some tile with other young group players and may see a few more for that reason. Everyone else need snaps as much as Love Does. Watson and Doubs are half year players. Runyon and Myers, Nixon and other are either having to earn their position or perfecting it. They all need snaps. They need them as much as Love.

I think the other young guys and those fighting to win a role to play a great deal. This is a chance to gain significant game time experience individually and in the system. Many need to earn their spots. I don’t want Love just throwing to Doubs and Watson. He won’t just throw to them in season. I want him and them to have that opportunity and them to get Reed, Toure, Melton, Wicks, Heath time with the projected starter.

Let’s actually learn something not just only play likely active roster guys with a raw back up QB. Yes there’s an injury risk, but there’s also risk in not being ready as a team or individual. Ultimately this team is full of raw talent. They need time competing in as near to regular season as it is possible to get.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 10:46 am

Ricky, the balance you speak of is impossible or at least difficult to predict. If the O line they have on the field is dominant or at least able to keep JL10 upright, he's reasonably safe for longer. Using that to give everybody in the WR and TE rooms chances helps with evaluating players, and I think that's still a valuable function. Yes I've seen the depth chart but the article on it here says take that with a grain of salt and I hope that proves to be true.

Are the position battles at C and RT really settled? Nijman is benched the whole season (barring injury) and Myers takes every offensive snap? I mean maybe, but I don't think it's that simple and if the first 5 on the field are doing this well, switching one person after a while is opened up as an opportunity. I'd see all that as a good thing.

If the starting O line, the same 5 that ended last year, can't keep JL10 protected in preseason? I don't even want to entertain that as a possibility, it's a condition we'd have no answer for and it would be impossible to tell what JL10 is unless he's the second coming of Peyton Manning.

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dobber's picture

August 08, 2023 at 09:14 am

Love needs to play. How much and under what circumstances is ultimately the question. In past years, we've seen teams trot out a bunch of their 1s against the Packers' 2s to start preseason games...ideally, to start, you'd hope for that with Love so he can get through his progressions and get comfortable: that the Packers will bring out their 1s with Cinci starting their 2s on Friday. Cinci's a veteran team with SB aspirations...I wouldn't be surprised if they don't play many of their 1s.

In the past, when there were 4 PS games, they always talked about giving starters significant play (sometimes a full half) in the third game and holding them out in the final one. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers give their starters significant run in the second game against NE.

I agree: there are some guys you either don't need to see in preseason, or don't have any good reason to risk injury. I think you're right on Bakh and Alexander. They have a credible LT (or two) who can play in Bakh's place, so you're not exposing Love's blindside needlessly. Plenty of young CBs (esp. Valentine) to see how they do against guys not wearing Gs.

I could see both Jones and Dillon playing a small number of snaps, but prolly mostly to run a route or two and give Love a chance to put those pieces together. There are a few RB on the depth chart looking for chances to play...and they need to. Don't want Jones or Dillon banging inside for meaningless PS yardage.

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ko40489's picture

August 08, 2023 at 09:53 am

Not only does Love need to play in the preseason, the starters on both sides of the ball do. MLF didn't play them together to any extent in last year's preseason--and the team was absolutely flat when the regular season started. There's the risk of injury in every game. But players also need to get in "game shape." The doesn't happen in practice;it's only from real hits in real games. The preseason is part of that process. Put them out there.

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t-wrecks's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:18 am

I say, roll the dice and get him playing. Love could also get hurt on the first snap of the first real game...Just the nature of the beast.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

August 08, 2023 at 10:36 am

Yeah we all want to see him in action but these preseason games are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure he will play, but I'm not thrilled about the idea of him going out there without Bakh, Jenkins, or Jones to keep him protected. I dont need to see him that bad. I can wait till week 1.

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BuckyBadger's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:33 pm

" as we all know, quarterback is the most important position in all of sports. "

This isn't true. Goalie in Hockey is far more important. Look at SF last year play 3 different QBs (all fairly average) and still make the NFC title game. In baseball a great pitcher is more important and can dominate a game more. Takes several people to man that position in that sport.

Nick Folk won a title and so did Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. I won't argue that having a franchise QB isn't paramount for making a long run over many years but I stop short calling it the most important position. Important yes but a little over rated by sports fans as whole. You can win if the rest of the roster is stacked and if you pay the QB too much you won't win either because over rated the position.

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The_Baloney_Stops_Here's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:40 pm

Goalie? Are you kidding me?

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BuckyBadger's picture

August 08, 2023 at 03:39 pm

In Hockey you are only as good as the goalie. If he isn't on his game the rest are wasting their time.

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greengold's picture

August 08, 2023 at 04:10 pm

True.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 11:01 am

TBSH,

it's an interesting discussion. I don't remember seeing it raised during the off-season. The media hype train has been pushing a line about "QB is the most valuable position in all of sports," and the result is QB taking closer and closer to 25% of the entire salary cap. That leaves entire position groups scrambling to try to wring greatness out of low draft picks and UDFAs. It also contributes to the current league RB dilemma.

Another interesting off-season discussion I don't remember seeing is an in-depth look at how successful GBP have been at doing exactly that vs the rest of the league. I expect we're not going to open that can of worms now but lots of surprising gems have been uncovered; count TB12 and Brock Purdy among them. Not that I suggest they're of similar caliber, but two very contrasting examples in that success was found in unlikely places.

$50MM / year is trending towards the expectation for any franchise QB, and it's easy to make the case for that being bad for the league.

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BuckyBadger's picture

August 08, 2023 at 02:35 pm

Having two sessions with other teams in practice takes down the need for Love to play a little. It would be nice to see him play a lot but that means other starters have to play too which puts them all at risk. They have the scrimmages vs Pats and Bengals to get looks at as well.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 11:06 am

BB,

very true. I'm not sure those practices compare to a pre-season game? I hope to be able to make the first practice with the Pats next week as well as see the Friday game on TV and can maybe better make this comparison.

The big thing here is the preseason games this year should be very different for us than any in a long time!

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packerfanroy's picture

August 08, 2023 at 05:50 pm

I think this is correct for the way things WERE but that times have changed. I'm not sure what JLove is gonna get out of running a watered down scheme vs another watered down scheme (iron sharpens iron, right?). They say JLove needs reps which is true but how many of these pre-season reps are gonna be regular season quality?? There are some things to look at and learn from a technique point of view but you can still get that in practice with out a full contact pass rush. I'd rather have the pre-season games be used to see how the new QB's handle basic concepts vs smarter, faster, stronger players than they are used to. Pre-season used to be about getting the 1's into playing form. Now its more about getting the 2's, 3's and fringe guys on field, on tape, so that you can see who is worth developing. If JLove doenst play more than one quarter/game in pre-season ill be happy. Anything more just seems unnecessary and unproductive with all risk and no reward. Times have changed and if JLove is gonna be the guy its gonna happen in practice, away from the prying video cameras of opposing scouts, with MLF coaching him up on running the real offense. Other positions can have the 1's benefit from pre-season games cause its solid, full contact football. QB isnt one of those positions.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 09, 2023 at 11:15 am

pfr, both sides of what you're saying have merit.

"how many of these pre-season reps are gonna be regular season quality??"

0. That much we can know with certainty. How many practice reps have preseason quality? You're suggesting there's no difference. Never have I heard a star player say that. In practice they'll repeat the same thing until they get it right. In a game it's all different, even if it's an exhibition game.We love it when GBP are so dominant in a regular season game that it's like an exhibition game; there'd be real value for all 3 phases if the preseason is like that even though it's nothing like the regular season. Especially the TE and WR rooms can benefit from live snaps like that; so can our 4 RBs other than #33 & 28. And the case has been made for them to get out there at least a little.

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packerfanroy's picture

August 09, 2023 at 06:57 pm

Sic, I think you are getting a little mixed with what I posted in relation to the article. I'm not trying to be an a-hole so Ill try to streamline it because I know I have a tendency to throw up a large wall of text that kinda rambles.

The author of the article is saying that JLove needs to play (and, I'm assuming play a significant amount) during the pre-season. So this article/post has to do primarily with JLove playing pre-season not others on the team. At the end of my post I mentioned pre-season having value to other starters because of the unscripted full contact.

In pre-season games JLove will not be running our real offense against a real defense. It will be vanilla vs vanilla. But its also full contact so you also get injury risk to JLove as well. In practice reps JLove can run the actual offense without the injury risk so practice reps have more value to the QB position. The risk vs reward does not seem favorable for QB's when it comes to what pre-season games are now as opposed to what they used to be.

So, I'm disagreeing with the author and I'm saying JLove DOESN'T need to play alot in the preseason. I'd be happy with 1 or 2 series or 1 quarter of play at the most.

Having JLove go out and play a whole half or more during the preseason to master an offense we won't use, against types of defenses (vanilla,watered down, most basic of the basic) we wont see, just doesnt sound worth it. If no hitting of the QB was allowed in pre-season games like in practice, it would be different.

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mrj007's picture

August 08, 2023 at 05:53 pm

I’ve become sort of tired of the Packers being entirely flat out of the gate year after year because they don’t participate in what I feel is a necessary “hardening “ period that involves hitting in preseason games. I’d think there can be a “pitch” count in pre season that not only provides ALL the players real world experience; but also conditions and prepares them for the grind of a full game. I’d argue that pre season is a great way to ramp up and potentially avoid injuries in reg season games when the intensity is maxed. Going from “touch” football to getting blasted in game day action in first game is like trying to hit a 100mph fastball without even seeing a pitch all year. Odds aren’t good it’ll result in a hit

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