Corner isn't our problem. If he was a safety MAYBE I would agree. Would you bring back Chris Banjo? Because he is 33, knows Green Bay, and is available. Nah, neither would I. It's time to go young, let the coaches be the leaders until a young player emerges. Next Gen time is upon us. Embrace it. When our next SB window opens, then fill some holes with vets.

Nope, not good. Should have never let him him go the first time. But wasted effort now

Cory, I would not underestimate veteran presence on the team, but - secondary unit is not that green as somebody may think. Jaire plays on second contract. Douglas has numbers of seasons under his belt, as Moore as well. So Packers secondary is not so unexperienced as we might say on the first sight.

Also, what position do you expect Hayward wouldl play? Outside? Packers have Jaire, Douglas and Stokes. Slot? Nixon and, if needed Savage. So there is no urgent need to add another veteran.

It wan't be strange if Packers add dept at the position through draft. I would prefere that way!

EDIT: If Micah Hyde would be available, I will be strong suporter to bring him back!

I get the allure of bringing back someone who balled out for the Packers for one season, but at age 33 the Packers probably want to take a look in Hayward's mouth and see how long in the tooth he's gotten.

No.

You don’t bring him back to try to undo what many consider the earlier mistake.
How good is he now?
At what price?

No- I’d rather see them draft Joey Porter.
There are 10 top Cbs in this class if you want one.
And instead spending money on CB,
The DL could use a veteran back-up first.
The Draft boards are changing.
Players are dropping. And the DL5s are climbing.
Climbing into the first rd. Now.

Cory, if they get a vet FA on D I'd think they'd get an old lineman or pass rusher. That's where they could use more depth (especially early) and the leadership could come form up front too.

Now if you know Stokes isn't going to be ready and we get some camp injuries, then we could worry about depth. Might even just worry about depth on special teams (Believe the Packers would worry about STs?), as Nixon and Ford and the others might and get too busy on D.

A big NO on obtaining Casey Hayward. I doubt we could afford him, anyway. If you want a CB, the draft is where you'll find one. Christian Gonzalez recently fell to #15, in a mock. Take him and move Rasul to Safety or start Ford at Safety. I've seen Devon Witherspoon drop to #15, recently, as well. Either Joey Porter, Cam Smith or Kelee Ringo could be obtained by GB, if Gute feels they are worth moving around the board, a bit. All would be cheaper, i.e. more affordable, on a rookie deal, than Hayward would be, as a vet.

The team already has three solid corners. Can he play safety where one is gone-free agent, and the other had a performance last season that got him benched?

Cap space. The impacts of it are already being felt and a veteran won't come cheap.

Living in the past never gets you anywhere but with a head full of dreams and not much accomplished.

What role would you propose for him? He’s turning 34 this season and missed half of last season through a torn pectoral injury as well. He was starting for the Falcons before that, it’s true, but I don’t see that happening here without a lot of injuries. In a year where we are retrenching, I’d rather go with youth for depth and development and save what few cap dollars we have for filling holes we can’t fill in the draft or to cover for injury losses.

No thanks. Too old, too expensive and takes too many snaps from younger players who need to play to develop. 2023 is a reset year for the team and for the salary cap. Bringing in veterans who cost more is a mismatch with the priorities of next season.

Let him be.

Alright kids, I know you all came here for my prognostication for the Packers pick at #15. Wait no longer.....(drum roll please)............................ :

Bijan! [book it] is tidbit came in the form of a dream...the dream showed the Packers moving back in Rd 1 and snagging Crazy Legz II.

(Do you have any gray poupon, Bijan?).

If it's June...
...and the draft is passed and you're still looking for CB depth....
...and he's basically coming in close to the vet minimum...

Why not see what he's got left?

...those are several ifs, though.

Stokes is recovering from injuries and a down year. Douglas may start to fill in as a type of safety. No rookie drafted in the later rounds would be as good right away. It’s a passing league and most teams have a plethora of players in that position. We have a new coach there and maybe an additional veteran would be helpful (at the right price).

So my response is a strong… maybe 😉

In a normal year when the team has money he would be a great pickup for a couple million a year. Its not like he is washed up. He started 15 games in the NFL last year. Having him for depth would be great and we could try moving Douglas to Safety. The point is moot because we can't afford a new janitor right now.

No, don't bring him back, unless he's in the bargain bin. But of course you just knew it wouldn't be more than a hot minute before the fanboys started crying for it.

Interesting that this article mentions Hayward's coverage grade from NINE years ago, but for some reason chose NOT to mention that the Falcons cut Hayward yesterday after he failed his physical, and that Hayward managed to play in only the first 6 games last year. That's kind of important, no?

Also, why do people assume that just because a guy is old and he used to play in Green Bay that he must certainly be a great leader?

Please don’t bring him back. I think bringing in old veteran’s to help the younger players is highly overrated. If the coaches can’t teach the new recruits how to do their job then they’re not very good coaches. Not saying there’s never a situation to bring in a veteran but there doesn’t need to be an old washed up veteran in every position group to hold hands and coddle them.

I've never understood all the angst over letting Hayward go. He had ONE decent season with GB, and a couple decent seasons after he left. He's been bouncing around from team to team ever since. Five teams total I believe.

Green Bay is transitioning to a younger team. Bringing in a soon-to-be 34 year old to take snaps away from younger, hopefully ascending players would contradict that approach. This isn't a Tramon Williams situation when he came back to GB. Pass.

Every time an ex-Packer is released, a 'Bring-Him-Back' article instantaneously appears here at CHTV.

Why is it so hard for some to NOT look backwards? Don't your necks hurt?

"And what’s even better is that he has played in double-digit games in nine of 11 seasons."

Seems like a pretty low bar for judging a player's health.

Cory,

Agree with everything you said on Casey Hayward.

The Packers should have never let him get away - like so many others.

Cory - and anyone else - what is the most the Packers should pay:

1) in salary

2) signing bonus

and if Casey would not accept a 1 year contract, would you give him a 2 year contract?

I missed yesterday's tight end drafting discussion. Here are my thoughts:

Below are the draft numbers for tight ends drafted by round from 1986 through 2022.

Between 1986 through 2022, 564 tight ends were drafted and of those 564 drafted 34 made the 1st or 2nd team All Pro at least one time.

Of those tight ends that made the all pro team, the most - 12 - were BY FAR drafted in the FIRST ROUND.

RND TEs All Pros % All Pros
1 35 12 34.3%
2 55 6 10.9%
3 73 6 8.2%
4 76 2 2.6%
5 86 3 3.5%
6 78 4 5.1%
7 102 1 1.0%
8 18 0 0.0%
9 12 0 0.0%
10 13 0 0.0%
11 10 0 0.0%
12 6 0 0.0%
Total 564 34 6.0%

As you can see, you are much more likely to find an All Pro tight end IN THE FIRST ROUND
than any of the lower rounds as would be true with any position.

And the probability of finding an all pro drops with each succeeding round.

That's not to say the Packers should draft a tight end in the first round this year, it is just to say that data shows VERY CLEARLY that the most All PROs - AT ANY POSITION - are going to be found in the FIRST ROUND, which is completely consistent with logic.

2 undrafted players made all pro as well - Antonio Gates and Chad Lewis - bringing total All PRO tight ends signed during the 1986 through 2022 period to 36.

Here are Tight ends that were drafted between 1986 and 2022 and made 1st or 2nd team All Pro from

First Round
Dallas Clark
Eric Green
Greg Olsen
Jeremy Shockey
Keith Jackson
Marcedes Lewis
T.J. Hockenson
Todd Heap
Tony Gonzalez
Vernon Davis

Second Round
Alge Crumpler
Ernie Conwell
Hunter Henry
Jimmy Graham
Wesley Walls
Zach Ertz

Third Round
Chris Cooley
Ferrell Edmunds
Jason Witten
Mark Andrews
Rob Gronkowski
Travis Kelce

Fourth Round
Jackie Harris
Jordan Cameron

Fifth Round
Ben Coates
Brent Jones
George Kittle

Sixth Round
Darren Waller
Delanie Walker
Frank Wycheck
Jay Novacek

Seventh Round
Shannon Sharpe

Undrafted
Antonio Gates
Chad Lewis

Packer experience with tight ends is very similar.

From 2003 through 2022 the Packers drafted nine tight ends:

Player, Draft Year, Round, Pick #

1) Clark Harris, 2007, 7, 243
2) Jermichael Finley 2008, 3, 91
3) Andrew Quarless 2010, 5, 154
4) D. J. Williams 2011, 5, 141
5) Ryan Taylor 2011, 7, 218
6) Richard Rodgers 2014, 3, 98
7) Kennard Backman 2015, 6, 213
8) Jace Sternberger 2019, 3, 75
9) Josiah Deguara 2020, 3, 94

9 tight ends since 2003 and none made pro bowl or all pro.

Packer tight ends picked in the first round:

Bubba Franks 2000, 14th pick (3 pro bowls), Rich McGeorge 1970, 16th pick

Lombardi never picked a tight end in the first round from 1959 through his last year as GM in 1968.

Packer tight ends that have made the pro bowl beyond Bubba Franks:

Jackie Harris 4th round, 102 pick did not make any pro bowls but made 2nd team All Pro in 1992.

Mark Chmura 1992, 6th round, 157th pick (3 pro bowls and all pro in 1995 and 1998)

Keith Jackson 1988 1st round 13th pick (1 pro bowl with Packers - 3 other times with Eagles and once with the Dolphins, 5 time all Pro 3 times with the Eagles, 1 time with the Dolphins and 1 time with the Packers)

Ron Kramer 1957 1st round, 4th pick (1 pro bowl with Packers, 2 time all pro with Packers, 1962 and 1963)

Paul Coffman all pro 1982, 1983, and 1984 and Pro Bowl the same 3 years.

Here below are the tight end numbers for the 1986 through 2012 time period the author speaks of - round picked and how many made all pro:

RND TEs All Pros % All Pros
1 26 11 42.3%
2 38 5 13.2%
3 46 5 10.9%
4 50 2 4.0%
5 63 2 3.2%
6 57 3 5.3%
7 82 1 1.2%
8 18 0 0.0%
9 12 0 0.0%
10 13 0 0.0%
11 10 0 0.0%
12 6 0 0.0%
421 29 6.9%

Once again you can see that you are much more likely to find an ALL PRO tight end in the 1st round rather than subsequent rounds and the probability drops with each successive round.

Here below are the tight end numbers for the 2013 through 2022 time period the author speaks of - round picked and how many made all pro:

RND TEs All Pros % All Pros
1 9 1 11.1%
2 17 1 5.9%
3 27 2 7.4%
4 26 0 0.0%
5 23 1 4%
6 21 0 0%
7 20 0 0%
Total 143 0 0%
Rounds 2 thru 7 134 4 3%

The author apparently overlooked T. J. Hockenson (drafted in the 1st round with the 8th overall pick in 2019) as Hockenson made 2nd team all pro in 2020 - he has also made 2 pro bowls.

Once again you can see that you are much more likely to find an ALL PRO tight end in the 1st round rather than subsequent rounds and the probability drops with each successive round.

Here are all the tight ends drafted between 1986 and 2022.

How many Packers can you find?
Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2022 1 2 23 55 Trey McBride Cardinals Colorado State
2 3 9 73 Jelani Woods Colts Virginia
3 3 16 80 Greg Dulcich Broncos UCLA
4 3 37 101 Jeremy Ruckert Jets Ohio State
5 4 1 106 Cade Otton Buccaneers Washington
6 4 7 112 Daniel Bellinger Giants San Diego State
7 4 23 128 Charlie Kolar Ravens Iowa State
8 4 24 129 Jake Ferguson Cowboys Wisconsin
9 4 34 139 Isaiah Likely Ravens Coastal Carolina
10 4 38 143 Chigoziem Okonkwo Titans Maryland
11 5 6 149 Cole Turner Commanders Nevada
12 5 27 170 Teagan Quitoriano Texans Oregon State
13 5 34 177 James Mitchell Lions Virginia Tech
14 6 13 192 Andrew Ogletree Colts Youngstown State
15 6 19 198 Grant Calcaterra Eagles Southern Methodist
16 6 34 213 John Fitzpatrick Falcons Georgia
17 6 39 218 Ko Kieft Buccaneers Minnesota
18 7 6 227 Nick Muse Vikings South Carolina
2021 1 1 4 4 Kyle Pitts Falcons Florida
2 2 23 55 Pat Freiermuth Steelers Penn State
3 3 17 81 Hunter Long Dolphins Boston College
4 3 19 83 Tommy Tremble Panthers Notre Dame
5 3 33 97 Tre' McKitty Chargers Georgia
6 4 19 124 John Bates Team Boise State
7 4 22 127 Kylen Granson Colts Southern Methodist
8 4 36 141 Jacob Harris Rams Central Florida
9 5 1 145 Luke Farrell Jaguars Ohio State
10 5 3 147 Brevin Jordan Texans Miami (FL)
11 5 18 162 Noah Gray Chiefs Duke
12 5 24 168 Zach Davidson Vikings Central Missouri
2020 1 2 11 43 Cole Kmet Bears Notre Dame
2 3 27 91 Devin Asiasi Patriots UCLA
3 3 30 94 Josiah Deguara Packers Cincinnati
4 3 37 101 Dalton Keene Patriots Virginia Tech
5 3 41 105 Adam Trautman Saints Dayton
6 4 9 115 Harrison Bryant Browns Florida Atlantic
7 4 12 118 Albert Okwuegbunam Broncos Missouri
8 4 27 133 Colby Parkinson Seahawks Stanford
9 4 30 136 Brycen Hopkins Rams Purdue
10 6 11 190 Charlie Woerner 49ers Georgia
11 6 27 206 Tyler Davis Jaguars Georgia Tech
12 7 37 251 Stephen Sullivan Seahawks Louisiana State
2019 1 1 8 8 T.J. Hockenson Lions Iowa
2 1 20 20 Noah Fant Broncos Iowa
3 2 18 50 Irv Smith Vikings Alabama
4 2 20 52 Drew Sample Bengals Washington
5 3 5 69 Josh Oliver Jaguars San Jose State
6 3 11 75 Jace Sternberger Packers Texas A&M
7 3 22 86 Kahale Warring Texans San Diego State
8 3 32 96 Dawson Knox Bills Mississippi
9 4 19 121 Trevon Wesco Jets West Virginia
10 4 35 137 Foster Moreau Raiders Louisiana State
11 5 3 141 Zach Gentry Steelers Michigan
12 6 3 176 Kaden Smith 49ers Stanford
13 7 10 224 Isaac Nauta Lions Georgia
14 7 14 228 Tommy Sweeney Bills Boston College
15 7 17 231 Alize Mack Saints Notre Dame
16 7 40 254 Caleb Wilson Cardinals UCLA
2018 1 1 25 25 Hayden Hurst Ravens South Carolina
2 2 10 42 Mike Gesicki Dolphins Penn State
3 2 17 49 Dallas Goedert Eagles South Dakota State
4 3 22 86 Mark Andrews Ravens Oklahoma
5 3 34 98 Jordan Akins Texans Central Florida
6 4 1 101 Ian Thomas Panthers Indiana
7 4 7 107 Chris Herndon Jets Miami (FL)
8 4 20 120 Will Dissly Seahawks Washington
9 4 23 123 Durham Smythe Dolphins Notre Dame
10 4 37 137 Dalton Schultz Cowboys Stanford
11 5 19 156 Troy Fumagalli Broncos Wisconsin
12 5 20 157 Tyler Conklin Vikings Central Michigan
13 5 28 165 Jaylen Samuels Steelers North Carolina State
14 6 37 211 Jordan Thomas Texans Mississippi State
15 7 32 250 Ryan Izzo Patriots Florida State
2017 1 1 19 19 O.J. Howard Buccaneers Alabama
2 1 23 23 Evan Engram Giants Mississippi
3 1 29 29 David Njoku Browns Miami (FL)
4 2 12 44 Gerald Everett Rams South Alabama
5 2 13 45 Adam Shaheen Bears Ashland
6 3 36 100 Jonnu Smith Titans Florida International
7 4 21 127 Michael Roberts Lions Toledo
8 5 1 145 Jake Butt Broncos Michigan
9 5 2 146 George Kittle 49ers Iowa
10 5 6 150 Jordan Leggett Jets Clemson
11 5 10 154 Jeremy Sprinkle Redskins Arkansas
12 5 31 174 Eric Saubert Falcons Drake
13 6 17 201 Bucky Hodges Vikings Virginia Tech
14 7 33 251 Mason Schreck Bengals Buffalo
2016 1 2 4 35 Hunter Henry Chargers Arkansas
2 3 18 81 Austin Hooper Falcons Stanford
3 3 32 94 Nick Vannett Seahawks Ohio State
4 4 12 110 Tyler Higbee Rams Western Kentucky
5 4 40 138 Seth Devalve Browns Princeton
6 6 2 177 Temarrick Hemingway Rams South Carolina State
7 6 9 184 Jerell Adams Giants South Carolina
8 6 13 188 David Morgan Vikings Texas-San Antonio
9 6 42 217 Rico Gathers Cowboys Baylor
10 7 10 231 Thomas Duarte Dolphins UCLA
11 7 31 252 Beau Sandland Panthers Montana State
2015 1 2 23 55 Maxx Williams Ravens Minnesota
2 3 4 68 Clive Walford Raiders Miami (FL)
3 3 21 85 Tyler Kroft Bengals Rutgers
4 3 28 92 Jeff Heuerman Broncos Ohio State
5 4 18 117 Blake Bell 49ers Oklahoma
6 5 7 143 MyCole Pruitt Vikings Southern Illinois
7 5 21 157 C.J. Uzomah Bengals Auburn
8 5 24 160 Jesse James Steelers Penn State
9 5 35 171 Nick Boyle Ravens Delaware
10 5 37 173 James O'Shaughnessy Chiefs Illinois State
11 6 18 194 Nick O'Leary Bills Florida State
12 6 19 195 Malcolm Johnson Browns Mississippi State
13 6 22 198 Randall Telfer Browns USC
14 6 26 202 A.J. Derby Patriots Arkansas
15 6 37 213 Kennard Backman Packers Alabama-Birmingham
16 7 12 229 Ben Koyack Jaguars Notre Dame
17 7 29 246 Geoff Swaim Cowboys Texas
18 7 37 254 Rory 'Busta' Anderson 49ers South Carolina
19 7 39 256 Gerald Christian Cardinals Louisville
2014 1 1 10 10 Eric Ebron Lions North Carolina
2 2 6 38 Austin Seferian-Jenkins Buccaneers Washington
3 2 17 49 Jace Amaro Jets Texas Tech
4 2 20 52 Troy Niklas Cardinals Notre Dame
5 3 1 65 C.J. Fiedorowicz Texans Iowa
6 3 34 98 Richard Rodgers Packers California
7 3 35 99 Crockett Gillmore Ravens Colorado State
8 5 15 155 Arthur Lynch Dolphins Georgia
9 7 2 217 Ted Bolser Redskins Indiana
10 7 15 230 Rob Blanchflower Steelers Massachusetts
2013 1 1 21 21 Tyler Eifert Bengals Notre Dame
2 2 3 35 Zach Ertz Eagles Stanford
3 2 15 47 Gavin Escobar Cowboys San Diego State
4 2 23 55 Vance McDonald 49ers Rice
5 3 1 63 Travis Kelce Chiefs Cincinnati
6 3 23 85 Jordan Reed Redskins Florida
7 4 9 106 Dion Sims Dolphins Michigan State
8 4 36 133 Levine Toilolo Falcons Stanford
9 5 25 158 Luke Willson Seahawks Rice
10 6 4 172 Nick Kasa Raiders Colorado
11 6 16 184 Mychal Rivera Raiders Tennessee
12 6 33 201 Ryan Griffin Texans Connecticut
13 7 5 211 Michael Williams Lions Alabama
14 7 13 219 D.C. Jefferson Cardinals Rutgers
15 7 16 222 Chris Gragg Bills Arkansas
16 7 48 254 Justice Cunningham Colts South Carolina
2012 1 2 2 34 Coby Fleener Colts Stanford
2 3 1 64 Dwayne Allen Colts Clemson
3 3 15 78 Michael Egnew Dolphins Missouri
4 4 15 110 Ladarius Green Chargers Louisiana-Lafayette
5 4 16 111 Evan Rodriguez Bears Temple
6 4 21 116 Orson Charles Bengals Georgia
7 4 32 127 Adrien Robinson Giants Cincinnati
8 5 10 145 Taylor Thompson Titans Southern Methodist
9 6 16 186 James Hanna Cowboys Oklahoma
10 7 26 233 Drake Dunsmore Buccaneers Northwestern
11 7 33 240 David Paulson Steelers Oregon
12 7 40 247 Brad Smelley Browns Alabama
2011 1 2 11 43 Kyle Rudolph Vikings Notre Dame
2 2 15 47 Lance Kendricks Rams Wisconsin
3 3 5 69 Robert Housler Cardinals Florida Atlantic
4 4 5 102 Jordan Cameron Browns USC
5 4 7 104 Luke Stocker Buccaneers Tennessee
6 4 32 129 Julius Thomas Broncos Portland State
7 5 10 141 D.J. Williams Packers Arkansas
8 5 28 159 Lee Smith Patriots Marshall
9 6 9 174 Charles Clay Dolphins Tulsa
10 6 16 181 Richard Gordon Raiders Miami (FL)
11 7 1 204 Virgil Green Broncos Nevada
12 7 15 218 Ryan Taylor Packers North Carolina
13 7 35 238 Daniel Hard Buccaneers Idaho
2010 1 1 21 21 Jermaine Gresham Bengals Oklahoma
2 2 10 42 Rob Gronkowski Patriots Arizona
3 3 6 70 Ed Dickson Ravens Oregon
4 3 29 93 Tony Moeaki Chiefs Iowa
5 3 31 95 Jimmy Graham Saints Miami (FL)
6 4 15 113 Aaron Hernandez Patriots Florida
7 4 16 114 Dennis Pitta Ravens Brigham Young
8 4 20 118 Garrett Graham Texans Wisconsin
9 4 27 125 Clay Harbor Eagles Missouri State
10 5 1 132 Mike Hoomanawanui Rams Illinois
11 5 23 154 Andrew Quarless Packers Penn State
12 5 31 162 Brody Eldridge Colts Oklahoma
13 6 1 170 Fendi Onobun Rams Houston
14 6 5 174 Dennis Morris Redskins Louisiana Tech
15 6 13 182 Nate Byham 49ers Pittsburgh
16 6 16 185 Anthony McCoy Seahawks USC
17 7 7 214 Mickey Shuler Vikings Penn State
18 7 20 227 Dorin Dickerson Texans Pittsburgh
19 7 26 233 Jim Dray Cardinals Stanford
20 7 28 235 Dedrick Epps Chargers Miami (FL)
2009 1 1 20 20 Brandon Pettigrew Lions Oklahoma State
2 2 32 64 Richard Quinn Broncos North Carolina
3 3 25 89 Jared Cook Titans South Carolina
4 3 34 98 Chase Coffman Bengals Missouri
5 3 36 100 Travis Beckum Giants Wisconsin
6 4 21 121 Shawn Nelson Bills Southern Mississippi
7 4 22 122 Anthony Hill Texans North Carolina State
8 5 13 149 Davon Drew Ravens East Carolina
9 5 16 152 James Casey Texans Rice
10 5 17 153 Cornelius Ingram Eagles Florida
11 5 25 161 John Nalbone Dolphins Monmouth
12 6 7 180 Zach Miller Jaguars Nebraska-Omaha
13 6 11 184 Bear Pascoe 49ers Fresno State
14 6 29 202 Brandon Myers Raiders Iowa
15 6 35 208 John Phillips Cowboys Virginia
16 7 12 221 Eddie Williams Redskins Idaho
17 7 28 237 Jake O'Connell Chiefs Miami (OH)
18 7 32 241 David Johnson Steelers Arkansas State
19 7 39 248 Cameron Morrah Seahawks California
20 7 46 255 Dan Gronkowski Lions Maryland
2008 1 1 30 30 Dustin Keller Jets Purdue
2 2 7 38 John Carlson Seahawks Notre Dame
3 2 17 48 Fred Davis Redskins USC
4 2 30 61 Martellus Bennett Cowboys Texas A&M
5 3 13 76 Brad Cottam Chiefs Tennessee
6 3 22 85 Craig Stevens Titans California
7 3 28 91 Jermichael Finley Packers Texas
8 4 12 111 Martin Rucker Browns Missouri
9 4 28 127 Jacob Tamme Colts Kentucky
10 4 33 132 Derek Fine Bills Kansas
11 5 6 141 Gary Barnidge Panthers Louisville
12 5 23 158 Kellen Davis Bears Michigan State
13 6 30 196 Tom Santi Colts Virginia
14 6 41 207 Matt Sherry Bengals Villanova
15 7 25 232 Keith Zinger Falcons Louisiana State
16 7 32 239 Mike Merritt Chiefs Central Florida
2007 1 1 31 31 Greg Olsen Bears Miami (FL)
2 2 6 38 Zach Miller Raiders Arizona State
3 3 13 77 Matt Spaeth Steelers Minnesota
4 4 30 129 Scott Chandler Chargers Iowa
5 4 34 133 Martrez Milner Falcons Georgia
6 5 16 153 Kevin Boss Giants Western Oregon
7 5 18 155 Dante Rosario Panthers Oregon
8 5 25 162 Brent Celek Eagles Cincinnati
9 7 5 215 Ben Patrick Cardinals Delaware
10 7 6 216 Tyler Ecker Redskins Michigan
11 7 21 231 Michael Allan Chiefs Whitworth
12 7 33 243 Clark Harris Packers Rutgers
2006 1 1 6 6 Vernon Davis 49ers Maryland
2 1 28 28 Marcedes Lewis Jaguars UCLA
3 2 14 46 Joe Klopfenstein Rams Colorado
4 2 21 53 Anthony Fasano Cowboys Notre Dame
5 2 29 61 Tony Scheffler Broncos Western Michigan
6 3 8 72 Leonard Pope Cardinals Georgia
7 3 22 86 Dave Thomas Patriots Texas
8 3 29 93 Dominique Byrd Rams USC
9 4 1 98 Owen Daniels Texans Wisconsin
10 4 9 106 Garrett Mills Patriots Tulsa
11 5 18 150 Jason Pociask Jets Wisconsin
12 5 23 155 Jeff King Panthers Virginia Tech
13 5 34 166 Quinn Sypniewski Ravens Colorado
14 5 35 167 Charles Davis Steelers Purdue
15 6 33 202 T.J. Williams Buccaneers North Carolina State
16 7 36 244 Tim Massaquoi Buccaneers Michigan
2005 1 1 30 30 Heath Miller Steelers Virginia
2 3 7 71 Alex Smith Buccaneers Stanford
3 3 22 86 Kevin Everett Bills Miami (FL)
4 5 8 144 Jerome Collins Rams Notre Dame
5 6 5 179 Bo Scaife Titans Texas
6 6 22 196 Tony Jackson Seahawks Iowa
7 6 24 198 Joel Dreessen Jets Colorado State
8 7 34 248 Patrick Estes 49ers Virginia
9 7 35 249 Billy Bajema 49ers Oklahoma State
10 7 41 255 Andy Stokes Patriots William Penn
2004 1 1 6 6 Kellen Winslow Browns Miami (FL)
2 1 32 32 Ben Watson Patriots Georgia
3 2 8 40 Ben Troupe Titans Florida
4 2 29 61 Kris Wilson Chiefs Pittsburgh
5 3 5 68 Ben Hartsock Colts Ohio State
6 3 18 81 Chris Cooley Redskins Utah State
7 4 13 109 Tim Euhus Bills Oregon State
8 5 12 144 Sean Ryan Cowboys Boston College
9 6 16 181 Nate Lawrie Buccaneers Yale
10 6 29 194 Matt Kranchick Steelers Penn State
11 7 19 220 Jeff Dugan Vikings Maryland
12 7 31 232 Michael Gaines Panthers Central Florida
13 7 36 237 Erik Jensen Rams Iowa
14 7 44 245 Courtney Anderson Raiders San Jose State
2003 1 1 24 24 Dallas Clark Colts Iowa
2 2 9 41 Ben Joppru Texans Michigan
3 2 29 61 L.J. Smith Eagles Rutgers
4 3 5 69 Jason Witten Cowboys Tennessee
5 3 12 76 Mike Seidman Panthers UCLA
6 3 27 91 Visanthe Shiancoe Giants Morgan State
7 4 7 104 George Wrighster Jaguars Oregon
8 5 13 148 Dan Curley Rams Eastern Washington
9 5 21 156 Donald Lee Dolphins Mississippi State
10 5 26 161 Aaron Walker 49ers Florida
11 7 9 223 Trent Smith Ravens Oklahoma
12 7 20 234 Spencer Nead Patriots Brigham Young
13 7 40 254 Richard Angulo Rams Western New Mexico
2002 1 1 14 14 Jeremy Shockey Giants Miami (FL)
2 1 21 21 Dan Graham Patriots Colorado
3 1 28 28 Jerramy Stevens Seahawks Washington
4 2 23 55 Doug Jolley Raiders Brigham Young
5 3 2 67 Matt Schobel Bengals Texas Christian
6 3 23 88 Chris Baker Jets Michigan State
7 4 5 103 Justin Peelle Chargers Oregon
8 4 16 114 Randy McMichael Dolphins Georgia
9 4 20 118 Chris Luzar Jaguars Virginia
10 4 24 122 Darnell Sanders Browns Ohio State
11 5 3 138 John Owens Lions Notre Dame
12 5 20 155 Terry Jones Ravens Alabama
13 5 25 160 Robert Royal Redskins Louisiana State
14 5 34 169 Ryan Hannam Seahawks Northern Iowa
15 6 2 174 Keith Heinrich Panthers Sam Houston State
16 6 19 191 Jeb Putzier Broncos Boise State
17 6 24 196 John Gilmore Saints Penn State
18 6 29 201 Mark Anelli 49ers Wisconsin
19 6 38 210 Bryan Fletcher Bears UCLA
20 6 39 211 Bob Slowikowski Cowboys Virginia Tech
21 7 12 223 Mike Banks Cardinals Iowa State
22 7 19 230 Jeff Grau Redskins UCLA
23 7 40 251 Tracey Wistrom Buccaneers Nebraska
24 7 42 253 Matt Murphy Lions Maryland
2001 1 1 31 31 Todd Heap Ravens Arizona State
2 2 4 35 Alge Crumpler Falcons North Carolina
3 3 4 66 Sean Brewer Bengals San Jose State
4 3 28 90 Shad Meier Titans Kansas State
5 4 24 119 Jabari Holloway Patriots Notre Dame
6 4 34 129 Brandon Manumaleuna Rams Arizona
7 5 10 141 Billy Baber Chiefs Virginia
8 5 16 147 Tony Stewart Eagles Penn State
9 6 17 180 Arther Love Patriots South Carolina State
10 6 32 195 Dan O'Leary Bills Notre Dame
11 7 5 205 Dauntae' Finger Buccaneers North Carolina
12 7 24 224 Eric Johnson 49ers Yale
13 7 27 227 Mike Roberg Panthers Idaho
14 7 46 246 Tevita Ofahengaue Cardinals Brigham Young
2000 1 1 14 14 Bubba Franks Packers Miami (FL)
2 1 27 27 Anthony Becht Jets West Virginia
3 3 6 68 Erron Kinney Titans Florida
4 4 16 110 Aaron Shea Browns Michigan
5 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski Patriots Boise State
6 5 28 157 James Whalen Buccaneers Kentucky
7 5 29 158 Austin Wheatley Saints Iowa
8 5 35 164 Jay Tant Cardinals Northwestern
9 6 38 204 Jason Gavadza Steelers Kent State
10 7 4 210 Brad St. Louis Bengals SW Missouri State
11 7 22 228 Kevin Houser Saints Ohio State
12 7 24 230 Brian Jennings 49ers Arizona State
13 7 38 244 Giles Cole Vikings Texas A&M-Kingsville
1999 1 2 11 42 Reginald Kelly Falcons Mississippi State
2 2 13 44 Jim Kleinsasser Vikings North Dakota
3 3 8 69 Steve Heiden Chargers South Dakota State
4 3 18 79 Dan Campbell Giants Texas A&M
5 4 27 122 Bobby Collins Bills North Alabama
6 5 3 136 Jerame Tuman Steelers Michigan
7 6 10 179 Desmond Clark Broncos Wake Forest
8 6 22 191 James Dearth Browns Tarleton State
9 7 2 208 Jed Weaver Eagles Oregon
10 7 23 229 Mike Lucky Cowboys Arizona
11 7 24 230 Sheldon Jackson Bills Nebraska
12 7 32 238 Justin Swift Broncos Kansas State
1998 1 2 10 40 Cameron Cleeland Saints Washington
2 2 18 48 Stephen Alexander Redskins Oklahoma
3 2 24 54 Rod Rutledge Patriots Alabama
4 4 2 94 Alonzo Mayes Bears Oklahoma State
5 4 6 98 Roland Williams Rams Syracuse
6 5 2 125 Terry Hardy Cardinals Southern Mississippi
7 5 4 127 Jeremy Brigham Raiders Washington
8 5 23 146 Blake Spence Jets Oregon
9 6 24 177 Todd Pollack Giants Boston College
10 7 6 195 Lawrence Hart Jets Southern
11 7 33 222 Damian Vaughn Bengals Miami (OH)
12 7 48 237 Rodrick Monroe Cowboys Cincinnati
13 7 52 241 Cam Quayle Ravens Weber State
1997 1 1 13 13 Tony Gonzalez Chiefs California
2 1 22 22 David LaFleur Cowboys Louisiana State
3 2 8 38 John Allred Bears USC
4 2 15 45 Freddie Jones Chargers North Carolina
5 3 10 70 O.J. Santiago Falcons Kent State
6 3 17 77 Greg Clark 49ers Stanford
7 5 5 135 Pete Chryplewicz Lions Notre Dame
8 5 7 137 Patrick Hape Buccaneers Alabama
9 5 17 147 Damon Jones Jaguars Southern Illinois
10 5 25 155 Luther Broughton Eagles Furman
11 6 2 165 Nicky Savoie Saints Louisiana State
12 6 11 174 Itula Mili Seahawks Brigham Young
13 6 14 177 Ed Perry Dolphins James Madison
14 7 25 226 Pat Fitzgerald Bills Texas
15 7 27 228 Kris Mangum Panthers Mississippi
1996 1 1 9 9 Rickey Dudley Raiders Ohio State
2 2 9 39 Marco Battaglia Bengals Rutgers
3 2 24 54 Jason Dunn Eagles Eastern Kentucky
4 2 29 59 Ernie Conwell Rams Washington
5 3 3 64 Johnny McWilliams Cardinals USC
6 3 20 81 Brian Roche Chargers San Jose State
7 3 21 82 Scott Slutzker Colts Iowa
8 6 6 173 Chris Griffin Patriots New Mexico
9 6 30 197 Tony Johnson Eagles Alabama
10 6 34 201 Hayward Clay Rams Texas A&M
11 7 3 212 Jarius Hayes Cardinals North Alabama
12 7 7 216 Lovett Purnell Patriots West Virginia
13 7 30 239 Sean Manuel 49ers New Mexico State
14 7 35 244 Jay Riemersma Bills Michigan
15 7 37 246 Henry Lusk Saints Utah
1995 1 1 9 9 Kyle Brady Jets Penn State
2 1 27 27 Mark Bruener Steelers Washington
3 2 7 39 Christian Fauria Seahawks Colorado
4 2 16 48 Ken Dilger Colts Illinois
5 2 27 59 Kendell Watkins Cowboys Mississippi State
6 3 6 70 David Sloan Lions New Mexico
7 4 3 101 Michael Roan Oilers Wisconsin
8 4 17 115 Lovell Pinkney Rams Texas
9 4 24 122 Pete Mitchell Dolphins Boston College
10 4 29 127 Tim Hanshaw 49ers Brigham Young
11 4 33 131 Tony Cline Bills Stanford
12 5 3 137 Jamie Asher Redskins Louisville
13 6 15 186 Kevin Hickman Lions Navy
1994s 1 5 0 0 John Davis Cowboys Emporia State
1994 1 2 32 61 Lonnie Johnson Bills Florida State
2 3 4 69 Harold Bishop Buccaneers Louisiana State
3 4 2 105 Kurt Haws Redskins Utah
4 4 3 106 Bradford Banta Colts USC
5 4 18 121 John Burke Patriots Virginia Tech
6 5 6 137 Aaron Laing Chargers New Mexico State
7 5 26 157 Roderick Lewis Oilers Arizona
8 5 27 158 A.J. Ofodile Bills Missouri
9 6 6 167 Ricky Brady Rams Oklahoma
10 6 11 172 Terry Samuels Cardinals Kentucky
11 6 18 179 Andrew Jordan Vikings Western Carolina
12 7 8 202 Carlester Crumpler Seahawks East Carolina
13 7 25 219 Tracy Greene Chiefs Grambling State
1993 1 1 20 20 Irv Smith Saints Notre Dame
2 2 8 37 Tony McGee Bengals Michigan
3 2 10 39 Troy Drayton Rams Penn State
4 3 5 61 Chris Gedney Bears Syracuse
5 5 3 115 Fred Baxter Jets Auburn
6 5 19 131 John Henry Mills Oilers Wake Forest
7 5 26 138 Richard Griffith Patriots Arizona
8 6 11 151 Mitch Lyons Falcons Michigan State
9 6 17 157 Carlos Etheredge Colts Miami (FL)
10 6 20 160 Frank Wycheck Redskins Maryland
11 7 1 169 Clarence Williams Broncos Washington State
12 7 21 189 Craig Keith Steelers Lenoir-Rhyne
13 7 22 190 Joey Mickey Eagles Oklahoma
1992 1 1 14 14 Derek Brown Giants Notre Dame
2 1 15 15 Johnny Mitchell Jets Nebraska
3 3 13 69 Aaron Pierce Giants Washington
4 3 23 79 Tyji Armstrong Buccaneers Mississippi
5 3 25 81 Thomas McLemore Lions Southern
6 5 3 115 Craig Thompson Bengals North Carolina A&T
7 5 22 134 Todd Harrison Bears North Carolina State
8 5 28 140 Eric Jonassen Chargers Bloomsburg (PA)
9 6 9 149 Fallon Wacasey Cowboys Tulsa
10 6 17 157 Mark Chmura Packers Boston College
11 6 28 168 Ray Rowe Redskins San Diego State
12 7 6 174 Deems May Chargers North Carolina
13 7 7 175 Derek Ware Cardinals Central State (OK)
14 7 11 179 Russ Campbell Steelers Kansas State
15 7 23 191 Dave Moore Dolphins Pittsburgh
16 8 14 210 Luke Fisher Vikings East Carolina
17 8 21 217 Reggie Dwight Falcons Troy
18 9 10 234 Larry Stayner Seahawks Boise State
19 10 9 261 Turner Baur Patriots Stanford
20 11 20 300 Tom Covington 49ers Georgia Tech
21 11 27 307 Vince Marrow Bills Toledo
22 12 13 321 Milton Biggins Dolphins Western Kentucky
1991 1 2 3 30 Reggie Johnson Broncos Florida State
2 4 20 103 Adrian Cooper Steelers Oklahoma
3 5 12 123 Duane Young Chargers Michigan State
4 5 13 124 Ben Coates Patriots Livingstone (NC)
5 5 14 125 Kerry Cash Colts Texas
6 6 20 159 Dennis Ransom Redskins Texas A&M
7 7 11 178 Franklin Thomas Lions Grambling State
8 7 21 188 Keith Cash Redskins Texas
9 8 4 199 Randy Austin Falcons UCLA
10 8 9 204 Jerry Evans Cardinals Toledo
11 8 13 208 Tim Bruton Colts Missouri
12 8 15 210 Frank Wainright Saints Northern Colorado
13 9 15 238 Bruce McGonnigal Steelers Virginia
14 10 1 251 Randy Bethel Patriots Miami (FL)
15 10 12 262 Rapier Porter Packers Arkansas-Pine Bluff
16 10 24 274 Andrew Glover Raiders Grambling State
17 10 25 275 Michael Titley Dolphins Iowa
18 11 17 295 Chris Smith Bengals Brigham Young
19 11 28 306 Ted Popson Giants Portland State
20 12 27 333 Stephen Clark Bills Texas
1990s 1 9 0 0 Willie Williams Cardinals Louisiana State
1990 1 1 21 21 Eric Green Steelers Liberty
2 3 1 54 Mike Jones Vikings Texas A&M
3 4 6 87 Jesse Anderson Buccaneers Mississippi State
4 4 21 102 Jackie Harris Packers N.E. Louisiana
5 5 12 121 Reggie Redding Falcons Fullerton State
6 5 16 125 Charles Arbuckle Saints UCLA
7 6 26 163 Derrick Walker Chargers Michigan
8 6 27 164 Ronne Haliburton Broncos Louisiana State
9 7 13 178 Scott Galbraith Browns USC
10 7 27 192 Shannon Sharpe Broncos Savannah State
11 8 11 204 Doug Wellsandt Bengals Washington State
12 9 11 231 Phil Ross Dolphins Oregon State
13 10 4 252 David Elle Cardinals South Dakota
14 10 6 254 Mike Busch Buccaneers Iowa State
15 10 15 263 Craig Hudson Chiefs Wisconsin
16 11 7 283 Tommie Stowers Chargers Missouri
17 12 27 331 Demetrius Davis Raiders Nevada
1989 1 2 12 40 Walter Reeves Cardinals Auburn
2 2 28 56 Wesley Walls 49ers Mississippi
3 3 7 63 Marv Cook Patriots Iowa
4 4 17 101 Travis McNeal Seahawks Tennessee-Chattanooga
5 4 24 108 Darryl Ingram Vikings California
6 5 1 113 Keith Jennings Cowboys Clemson
7 6 6 145 Troy Sadowski Falcons Georgia
8 6 19 158 Howard Cross Giants Alabama
9 6 25 164 Sean Doctor Bills Marshall
10 8 13 208 Paul Green Broncos USC
11 8 19 214 Rick Aeilts Browns Southeast Missouri State
12 9 8 231 Pat Davis Chargers Syracuse
13 9 10 233 Charles Darrington Redskins Kentucky
14 9 19 242 Vernon Kirk Rams Pittsburgh
15 9 21 244 Bob Mrosko Oilers Penn State
16 10 19 270 Todd Millikan Bears Nebraska
17 12 9 316 Jimmie Johnson Redskins Howard
1988 1 1 13 13 Keith Jackson Eagles Oklahoma
2 2 5 32 Pat Carter Lions Florida State
3 3 1 56 Alex Higdon Falcons Ohio State
4 3 18 73 Ferrell Edmunds Dolphins Maryland
5 4 23 105 Jim Thornton Bears Fullerton State
6 5 3 112 Greg Scales Saints Wake Forest
7 5 21 130 Chris Verhulst Oilers Chico State
8 6 17 154 Steve Johnson Patriots Virginia Tech
9 7 9 174 Pat Kelly Broncos Syracuse
10 7 18 183 Brad Beckman Vikings Nebraska-Omaha
11 7 21 186 Danta Whitaker Giants Mississippi Valley State
12 8 4 197 Alfredo Roberts Chiefs Miami (FL)
13 8 10 203 Keith Neubert Jets Nebraska
14 8 18 211 Mike Hinnant Steelers Temple
15 8 22 215 Robert Tyler Seahawks South Carolina State
16 9 7 228 Neal Wilkinson Packers James Madison
17 10 16 265 Steve Wilkes Giants Appalachian State
18 11 20 297 Donnie Dee Colts Tulsa
19 12 15 320 Brian Kinchen Dolphins Louisiana State
1987 1 3 6 62 Robert Awalt Cardinals San Diego State
2 4 3 87 Ron Hall Buccaneers Hawaii
3 4 19 103 Jim Riggs Bengals Clemson
4 6 26 166 Jon Embree Rams Colorado
5 7 10 178 Chris Kelly Steelers Akron
6 7 17 185 Derek Tennell Seahawks UCLA
7 7 26 194 Wilbur Strozier Broncos Georgia
8 7 27 195 William Harris Cardinals Bishop
9 8 15 210 Joel Williams Dolphins Notre Dame
10 8 28 223 Rod Jones Giants Washington
11 9 4 227 Keith McKeller Bills Jacksonville State
12 9 15 238 Scott Eccles Raiders Eastern New Mexico
13 10 13 264 Jerry Reese Falcons Illinois
14 11 7 286 Brian Siverling Lions Penn State
15 11 11 290 Arthur Wells Saints Grambling State
16 11 15 294 Mario Perry Raiders Mississippi
17 12 10 317 Theo Young Steelers Arkansas
1986 1 4 9 91 Eric Kattus Bengals Michigan
2 4 27 109 Scott Gieselman Patriots Boston College
3 5 4 114 Jeff Parks Oilers Auburn
4 5 25 135 Brent Jones Steelers Santa Clara
5 6 2 140 Thornton Chandler Cowboys Alabama
6 6 13 151 Orson Mobley Broncos Salem
7 7 2 168 Bob Williams Bills Penn State
8 7 13 179 Carl Hilton Vikings Houston
9 7 14 180 Butch Rolle Bills Michigan State
10 8 9 203 Jim Popp 49ers Vanderbilt
11 8 13 207 Cap Boso Steelers Illinois
12 8 26 220 Greg Baty Patriots Stanford
13 9 3 224 Kevin Starks Falcons Minnesota
14 10 16 265 Willie Smith Browns Miami (FL)
15 10 22 271 Victor Hall Broncos Jackson State
16 11 26 303 Arnold Franklin Dolphins North Carolina

Alexa, what does "pointless verbosity" look like?

It's axiomatic that you can never have too many good DBs, because they're half the defense, and they make more than half the the tackles, and you play a lot of the game with 5 or 6 of them on the field. Sadly, we only get to dress a limited number, and we usually wouldn't have more than 6 CBs on the 53 man roster.

Currently, we have 3 real good ones, who will play the majority of snaps if they're healthy.

After that, we have Nixon, primarily because of his prowess at returning kicks.

That leaves two spots to be filled by: Corey Ballantine, Kiondre Thomas, SheMar JC, Ben Franklin, and Tyrell Ford. All of these guys are minimum wage guys who might have a future, as opposed to Heyward who is not and does not. IF you absolutely, positively, believe we need a CB who can come in and start for us, you'll need to take that guy early. If you don't, then why bring in Heyward?

33 years old? Hard pass.

In the word of Aaron Nagler: "No."

Cory,

Agree with everything you set on Casey Hayward.

The Packers should have never let him get away - like so many others.

Cory - and anyone else - what is the most the Packers should pay:

1) in salary

2) signing bonus

and if Casey would not accept a 1 year contract, would you give him a 2 year contract?

I missed yesterday's tight end drafting discussion. Here are my thoughts:

Below are the draft numbers for tight ends drafted by round from 1986 through 2022.

Between 1986 through 2022, 564 tight ends were drafted and of those 564 drafted 34 made the 1st or 2nd team All Pro at least one time.

Of those tight ends that made the all pro team, the most - 12 - were BY FAR drafted in the FIRST ROUND.

RND TEs All Pros % All Pros
1 35 12 34.3%
2 55 6 10.9%
3 73 6 8.2%
4 76 2 2.6%
5 86 3 3.5%
6 78 4 5.1%
7 102 1 1.0%
8 18 0 0.0%
9 12 0 0.0%
10 13 0 0.0%
11 10 0 0.0%
12 6 0 0.0%
Total 564 34 6.0%

As you can see, you are much more likely to find an All Pro tight end IN THE FIRST ROUND
than any of the lower rounds as would be true with any position.

And the probability of finding an all pro drops with each succeeding round.

That's not to say the Packers should draft a tight end in the first round this year, it is just to say that data shows VERY CLEARLY that the most All PROs - AT ANY POSITION - are going to be found in the FIRST ROUND, which is completely consistent with logic.

2 undrafted players made all pro as well - Antonio Gates and Chad Lewis - bringing total All PRO tight ends signed during the 1986 through 2022 period to 36.

Here are Tight ends that were drafted between 1986 and 2022 and made 1st or 2nd team All Pro from

First Round
Dallas Clark
Eric Green
Greg Olsen
Jeremy Shockey
Keith Jackson
Marcedes Lewis
T.J. Hockenson
Todd Heap
Tony Gonzalez
Vernon Davis

Second Round
Alge Crumpler
Ernie Conwell
Hunter Henry
Jimmy Graham
Wesley Walls
Zach Ertz

Third Round
Chris Cooley
Ferrell Edmunds
Jason Witten
Mark Andrews
Rob Gronkowski
Travis Kelce

Fourth Round
Jackie Harris
Jordan Cameron

Fifth Round
Ben Coates
Brent Jones
George Kittle

Sixth Round
Darren Waller
Delanie Walker
Frank Wycheck
Jay Novacek

Seventh Round
Shannon Sharpe

Undrafted
Antonio Gates
Chad Lewis

Packer experience with tight ends is very similar.

From 2003 through 2022 the Packers drafted nine tight ends:

Player, Draft Year, Round, Pick #

1) Clark Harris, 2007, 7, 243
2) Jermichael Finley 2008, 3, 91
3) Andrew Quarless 2010, 5, 154
4) D. J. Williams 2011, 5, 141
5) Ryan Taylor 2011, 7, 218
6) Richard Rodgers 2014, 3, 98
7) Kennard Backman 2015, 6, 213
8) Jace Sternberger 2019, 3, 75
9) Josiah Deguara 2020, 3, 94

9 tight ends since 2003 and none made pro bowl or all pro.

Packer tight ends picked in the first round:

Bubba Franks 2000, 14th pick (3 pro bowls), Rich McGeorge 1970, 16th pick

Lombardi never picked a tight end in the first round from 1959 through his last year as GM in 1968.

Packer tight ends that have made the pro bowl beyond Bubba Franks:

Jackie Harris 4th round, 102 pick did not make any pro bowls but made 2nd team All Pro in 1992.

Mark Chmura 1992, 6th round, 157th pick (3 pro bowls and all pro in 1995 and 1998)

Keith Jackson 1988 1st round 13th pick (1 pro bowl with Packers - 3 other times with Eagles and once with the Dolphins, 5 time all Pro 3 times with the Eagles, 1 time with the Dolphins and 1 time with the Packers)

Ron Kramer 1957 1st round, 4th pick (1 pro bowl with Packers, 2 time all pro with Packers, 1962 and 1963)

Paul Coffman all pro 1982, 1983, and 1984 and Pro Bowl the same 3 years.

Here below are the tight end numbers for the 1986 through 2012 time period the author speaks of - round picked and how many made all pro:

RND TEs All Pros % All Pros
1 26 11 42.3%
2 38 5 13.2%
3 46 5 10.9%
4 50 2 4.0%
5 63 2 3.2%
6 57 3 5.3%
7 82 1 1.2%
8 18 0 0.0%
9 12 0 0.0%
10 13 0 0.0%
11 10 0 0.0%
12 6 0 0.0%
421 29 6.9%

Once again you can see that you are much more likely to find an ALL PRO tight end in the 1st round rather than subsequent rounds and the probability drops with each successive round.

Here below are the tight end numbers for the 2013 through 2022 time period the author speaks of - round picked and how many made all pro:

RND TEs All Pros % All Pros
1 9 1 11.1%
2 17 1 5.9%
3 27 2 7.4%
4 26 0 0.0%
5 23 1 4%
6 21 0 0%
7 20 0 0%
Total 143 0 0%
Rounds 2 thru 7 134 4 3%

The author apparently overlooked T. J. Hockenson (drafted in the 1st round with the 8th overall pick in 2019) as Hockenson made 2nd team all pro in 2020 - he has also made 2 pro bowls.

Once again you can see that you are much more likely to find an ALL PRO tight end in the 1st round rather than subsequent rounds and the probability drops with each successive round.

Here are all the tight ends drafted between 1986 and 2022.

How many Packers can you find?
Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College
2022 1 2 23 55 Trey McBride Cardinals Colorado State
2 3 9 73 Jelani Woods Colts Virginia
3 3 16 80 Greg Dulcich Broncos UCLA
4 3 37 101 Jeremy Ruckert Jets Ohio State
5 4 1 106 Cade Otton Buccaneers Washington
6 4 7 112 Daniel Bellinger Giants San Diego State
7 4 23 128 Charlie Kolar Ravens Iowa State
8 4 24 129 Jake Ferguson Cowboys Wisconsin
9 4 34 139 Isaiah Likely Ravens Coastal Carolina
10 4 38 143 Chigoziem Okonkwo Titans Maryland
11 5 6 149 Cole Turner Commanders Nevada
12 5 27 170 Teagan Quitoriano Texans Oregon State
13 5 34 177 James Mitchell Lions Virginia Tech
14 6 13 192 Andrew Ogletree Colts Youngstown State
15 6 19 198 Grant Calcaterra Eagles Southern Methodist
16 6 34 213 John Fitzpatrick Falcons Georgia
17 6 39 218 Ko Kieft Buccaneers Minnesota
18 7 6 227 Nick Muse Vikings South Carolina
2021 1 1 4 4 Kyle Pitts Falcons Florida
2 2 23 55 Pat Freiermuth Steelers Penn State
3 3 17 81 Hunter Long Dolphins Boston College
4 3 19 83 Tommy Tremble Panthers Notre Dame
5 3 33 97 Tre' McKitty Chargers Georgia
6 4 19 124 John Bates Team Boise State
7 4 22 127 Kylen Granson Colts Southern Methodist
8 4 36 141 Jacob Harris Rams Central Florida
9 5 1 145 Luke Farrell Jaguars Ohio State
10 5 3 147 Brevin Jordan Texans Miami (FL)
11 5 18 162 Noah Gray Chiefs Duke
12 5 24 168 Zach Davidson Vikings Central Missouri
2020 1 2 11 43 Cole Kmet Bears Notre Dame
2 3 27 91 Devin Asiasi Patriots UCLA
3 3 30 94 Josiah Deguara Packers Cincinnati
4 3 37 101 Dalton Keene Patriots Virginia Tech
5 3 41 105 Adam Trautman Saints Dayton
6 4 9 115 Harrison Bryant Browns Florida Atlantic
7 4 12 118 Albert Okwuegbunam Broncos Missouri
8 4 27 133 Colby Parkinson Seahawks Stanford
9 4 30 136 Brycen Hopkins Rams Purdue
10 6 11 190 Charlie Woerner 49ers Georgia
11 6 27 206 Tyler Davis Jaguars Georgia Tech
12 7 37 251 Stephen Sullivan Seahawks Louisiana State
2019 1 1 8 8 T.J. Hockenson Lions Iowa
2 1 20 20 Noah Fant Broncos Iowa
3 2 18 50 Irv Smith Vikings Alabama
4 2 20 52 Drew Sample Bengals Washington
5 3 5 69 Josh Oliver Jaguars San Jose State
6 3 11 75 Jace Sternberger Packers Texas A&M
7 3 22 86 Kahale Warring Texans San Diego State
8 3 32 96 Dawson Knox Bills Mississippi
9 4 19 121 Trevon Wesco Jets West Virginia
10 4 35 137 Foster Moreau Raiders Louisiana State
11 5 3 141 Zach Gentry Steelers Michigan
12 6 3 176 Kaden Smith 49ers Stanford
13 7 10 224 Isaac Nauta Lions Georgia
14 7 14 228 Tommy Sweeney Bills Boston College
15 7 17 231 Alize Mack Saints Notre Dame
16 7 40 254 Caleb Wilson Cardinals UCLA
2018 1 1 25 25 Hayden Hurst Ravens South Carolina
2 2 10 42 Mike Gesicki Dolphins Penn State
3 2 17 49 Dallas Goedert Eagles South Dakota State
4 3 22 86 Mark Andrews Ravens Oklahoma
5 3 34 98 Jordan Akins Texans Central Florida
6 4 1 101 Ian Thomas Panthers Indiana
7 4 7 107 Chris Herndon Jets Miami (FL)
8 4 20 120 Will Dissly Seahawks Washington
9 4 23 123 Durham Smythe Dolphins Notre Dame
10 4 37 137 Dalton Schultz Cowboys Stanford
11 5 19 156 Troy Fumagalli Broncos Wisconsin
12 5 20 157 Tyler Conklin Vikings Central Michigan
13 5 28 165 Jaylen Samuels Steelers North Carolina State
14 6 37 211 Jordan Thomas Texans Mississippi State
15 7 32 250 Ryan Izzo Patriots Florida State
2017 1 1 19 19 O.J. Howard Buccaneers Alabama
2 1 23 23 Evan Engram Giants Mississippi
3 1 29 29 David Njoku Browns Miami (FL)
4 2 12 44 Gerald Everett Rams South Alabama
5 2 13 45 Adam Shaheen Bears Ashland
6 3 36 100 Jonnu Smith Titans Florida International
7 4 21 127 Michael Roberts Lions Toledo
8 5 1 145 Jake Butt Broncos Michigan
9 5 2 146 George Kittle 49ers Iowa
10 5 6 150 Jordan Leggett Jets Clemson
11 5 10 154 Jeremy Sprinkle Redskins Arkansas
12 5 31 174 Eric Saubert Falcons Drake
13 6 17 201 Bucky Hodges Vikings Virginia Tech
14 7 33 251 Mason Schreck Bengals Buffalo
2016 1 2 4 35 Hunter Henry Chargers Arkansas
2 3 18 81 Austin Hooper Falcons Stanford
3 3 32 94 Nick Vannett Seahawks Ohio State
4 4 12 110 Tyler Higbee Rams Western Kentucky
5 4 40 138 Seth Devalve Browns Princeton
6 6 2 177 Temarrick Hemingway Rams South Carolina State
7 6 9 184 Jerell Adams Giants South Carolina
8 6 13 188 David Morgan Vikings Texas-San Antonio
9 6 42 217 Rico Gathers Cowboys Baylor
10 7 10 231 Thomas Duarte Dolphins UCLA
11 7 31 252 Beau Sandland Panthers Montana State
2015 1 2 23 55 Maxx Williams Ravens Minnesota
2 3 4 68 Clive Walford Raiders Miami (FL)
3 3 21 85 Tyler Kroft Bengals Rutgers
4 3 28 92 Jeff Heuerman Broncos Ohio State
5 4 18 117 Blake Bell 49ers Oklahoma
6 5 7 143 MyCole Pruitt Vikings Southern Illinois
7 5 21 157 C.J. Uzomah Bengals Auburn
8 5 24 160 Jesse James Steelers Penn State
9 5 35 171 Nick Boyle Ravens Delaware
10 5 37 173 James O'Shaughnessy Chiefs Illinois State
11 6 18 194 Nick O'Leary Bills Florida State
12 6 19 195 Malcolm Johnson Browns Mississippi State
13 6 22 198 Randall Telfer Browns USC
14 6 26 202 A.J. Derby Patriots Arkansas
15 6 37 213 Kennard Backman Packers Alabama-Birmingham
16 7 12 229 Ben Koyack Jaguars Notre Dame
17 7 29 246 Geoff Swaim Cowboys Texas
18 7 37 254 Rory 'Busta' Anderson 49ers South Carolina
19 7 39 256 Gerald Christian Cardinals Louisville
2014 1 1 10 10 Eric Ebron Lions North Carolina
2 2 6 38 Austin Seferian-Jenkins Buccaneers Washington
3 2 17 49 Jace Amaro Jets Texas Tech
4 2 20 52 Troy Niklas Cardinals Notre Dame
5 3 1 65 C.J. Fiedorowicz Texans Iowa
6 3 34 98 Richard Rodgers Packers California
7 3 35 99 Crockett Gillmore Ravens Colorado State
8 5 15 155 Arthur Lynch Dolphins Georgia
9 7 2 217 Ted Bolser Redskins Indiana
10 7 15 230 Rob Blanchflower Steelers Massachusetts
2013 1 1 21 21 Tyler Eifert Bengals Notre Dame
2 2 3 35 Zach Ertz Eagles Stanford
3 2 15 47 Gavin Escobar Cowboys San Diego State
4 2 23 55 Vance McDonald 49ers Rice
5 3 1 63 Travis Kelce Chiefs Cincinnati
6 3 23 85 Jordan Reed Redskins Florida
7 4 9 106 Dion Sims Dolphins Michigan State
8 4 36 133 Levine Toilolo Falcons Stanford
9 5 25 158 Luke Willson Seahawks Rice
10 6 4 172 Nick Kasa Raiders Colorado
11 6 16 184 Mychal Rivera Raiders Tennessee
12 6 33 201 Ryan Griffin Texans Connecticut
13 7 5 211 Michael Williams Lions Alabama
14 7 13 219 D.C. Jefferson Cardinals Rutgers
15 7 16 222 Chris Gragg Bills Arkansas
16 7 48 254 Justice Cunningham Colts South Carolina
2012 1 2 2 34 Coby Fleener Colts Stanford
2 3 1 64 Dwayne Allen Colts Clemson
3 3 15 78 Michael Egnew Dolphins Missouri
4 4 15 110 Ladarius Green Chargers Louisiana-Lafayette
5 4 16 111 Evan Rodriguez Bears Temple
6 4 21 116 Orson Charles Bengals Georgia
7 4 32 127 Adrien Robinson Giants Cincinnati
8 5 10 145 Taylor Thompson Titans Southern Methodist
9 6 16 186 James Hanna Cowboys Oklahoma
10 7 26 233 Drake Dunsmore Buccaneers Northwestern
11 7 33 240 David Paulson Steelers Oregon
12 7 40 247 Brad Smelley Browns Alabama
2011 1 2 11 43 Kyle Rudolph Vikings Notre Dame
2 2 15 47 Lance Kendricks Rams Wisconsin
3 3 5 69 Robert Housler Cardinals Florida Atlantic
4 4 5 102 Jordan Cameron Browns USC
5 4 7 104 Luke Stocker Buccaneers Tennessee
6 4 32 129 Julius Thomas Broncos Portland State
7 5 10 141 D.J. Williams Packers Arkansas
8 5 28 159 Lee Smith Patriots Marshall
9 6 9 174 Charles Clay Dolphins Tulsa
10 6 16 181 Richard Gordon Raiders Miami (FL)
11 7 1 204 Virgil Green Broncos Nevada
12 7 15 218 Ryan Taylor Packers North Carolina
13 7 35 238 Daniel Hard Buccaneers Idaho
2010 1 1 21 21 Jermaine Gresham Bengals Oklahoma
2 2 10 42 Rob Gronkowski Patriots Arizona
3 3 6 70 Ed Dickson Ravens Oregon
4 3 29 93 Tony Moeaki Chiefs Iowa
5 3 31 95 Jimmy Graham Saints Miami (FL)
6 4 15 113 Aaron Hernandez Patriots Florida
7 4 16 114 Dennis Pitta Ravens Brigham Young
8 4 20 118 Garrett Graham Texans Wisconsin
9 4 27 125 Clay Harbor Eagles Missouri State
10 5 1 132 Mike Hoomanawanui Rams Illinois
11 5 23 154 Andrew Quarless Packers Penn State
12 5 31 162 Brody Eldridge Colts Oklahoma
13 6 1 170 Fendi Onobun Rams Houston
14 6 5 174 Dennis Morris Redskins Louisiana Tech
15 6 13 182 Nate Byham 49ers Pittsburgh
16 6 16 185 Anthony McCoy Seahawks USC
17 7 7 214 Mickey Shuler Vikings Penn State
18 7 20 227 Dorin Dickerson Texans Pittsburgh
19 7 26 233 Jim Dray Cardinals Stanford
20 7 28 235 Dedrick Epps Chargers Miami (FL)
2009 1 1 20 20 Brandon Pettigrew Lions Oklahoma State
2 2 32 64 Richard Quinn Broncos North Carolina
3 3 25 89 Jared Cook Titans South Carolina
4 3 34 98 Chase Coffman Bengals Missouri
5 3 36 100 Travis Beckum Giants Wisconsin
6 4 21 121 Shawn Nelson Bills Southern Mississippi
7 4 22 122 Anthony Hill Texans North Carolina State
8 5 13 149 Davon Drew Ravens East Carolina
9 5 16 152 James Casey Texans Rice
10 5 17 153 Cornelius Ingram Eagles Florida
11 5 25 161 John Nalbone Dolphins Monmouth
12 6 7 180 Zach Miller Jaguars Nebraska-Omaha
13 6 11 184 Bear Pascoe 49ers Fresno State
14 6 29 202 Brandon Myers Raiders Iowa
15 6 35 208 John Phillips Cowboys Virginia
16 7 12 221 Eddie Williams Redskins Idaho
17 7 28 237 Jake O'Connell Chiefs Miami (OH)
18 7 32 241 David Johnson Steelers Arkansas State
19 7 39 248 Cameron Morrah Seahawks California
20 7 46 255 Dan Gronkowski Lions Maryland
2008 1 1 30 30 Dustin Keller Jets Purdue
2 2 7 38 John Carlson Seahawks Notre Dame
3 2 17 48 Fred Davis Redskins USC
4 2 30 61 Martellus Bennett Cowboys Texas A&M
5 3 13 76 Brad Cottam Chiefs Tennessee
6 3 22 85 Craig Stevens Titans California
7 3 28 91 Jermichael Finley Packers Texas
8 4 12 111 Martin Rucker Browns Missouri
9 4 28 127 Jacob Tamme Colts Kentucky
10 4 33 132 Derek Fine Bills Kansas
11 5 6 141 Gary Barnidge Panthers Louisville
12 5 23 158 Kellen Davis Bears Michigan State
13 6 30 196 Tom Santi Colts Virginia
14 6 41 207 Matt Sherry Bengals Villanova
15 7 25 232 Keith Zinger Falcons Louisiana State
16 7 32 239 Mike Merritt Chiefs Central Florida
2007 1 1 31 31 Greg Olsen Bears Miami (FL)
2 2 6 38 Zach Miller Raiders Arizona State
3 3 13 77 Matt Spaeth Steelers Minnesota
4 4 30 129 Scott Chandler Chargers Iowa
5 4 34 133 Martrez Milner Falcons Georgia
6 5 16 153 Kevin Boss Giants Western Oregon
7 5 18 155 Dante Rosario Panthers Oregon
8 5 25 162 Brent Celek Eagles Cincinnati
9 7 5 215 Ben Patrick Cardinals Delaware
10 7 6 216 Tyler Ecker Redskins Michigan
11 7 21 231 Michael Allan Chiefs Whitworth
12 7 33 243 Clark Harris Packers Rutgers
2006 1 1 6 6 Vernon Davis 49ers Maryland
2 1 28 28 Marcedes Lewis Jaguars UCLA
3 2 14 46 Joe Klopfenstein Rams Colorado
4 2 21 53 Anthony Fasano Cowboys Notre Dame
5 2 29 61 Tony Scheffler Broncos Western Michigan
6 3 8 72 Leonard Pope Cardinals Georgia
7 3 22 86 Dave Thomas Patriots Texas
8 3 29 93 Dominique Byrd Rams USC
9 4 1 98 Owen Daniels Texans Wisconsin
10 4 9 106 Garrett Mills Patriots Tulsa
11 5 18 150 Jason Pociask Jets Wisconsin
12 5 23 155 Jeff King Panthers Virginia Tech
13 5 34 166 Quinn Sypniewski Ravens Colorado
14 5 35 167 Charles Davis Steelers Purdue
15 6 33 202 T.J. Williams Buccaneers North Carolina State
16 7 36 244 Tim Massaquoi Buccaneers Michigan
2005 1 1 30 30 Heath Miller Steelers Virginia
2 3 7 71 Alex Smith Buccaneers Stanford
3 3 22 86 Kevin Everett Bills Miami (FL)
4 5 8 144 Jerome Collins Rams Notre Dame
5 6 5 179 Bo Scaife Titans Texas
6 6 22 196 Tony Jackson Seahawks Iowa
7 6 24 198 Joel Dreessen Jets Colorado State
8 7 34 248 Patrick Estes 49ers Virginia
9 7 35 249 Billy Bajema 49ers Oklahoma State
10 7 41 255 Andy Stokes Patriots William Penn
2004 1 1 6 6 Kellen Winslow Browns Miami (FL)
2 1 32 32 Ben Watson Patriots Georgia
3 2 8 40 Ben Troupe Titans Florida
4 2 29 61 Kris Wilson Chiefs Pittsburgh
5 3 5 68 Ben Hartsock Colts Ohio State
6 3 18 81 Chris Cooley Redskins Utah State
7 4 13 109 Tim Euhus Bills Oregon State
8 5 12 144 Sean Ryan Cowboys Boston College
9 6 16 181 Nate Lawrie Buccaneers Yale
10 6 29 194 Matt Kranchick Steelers Penn State
11 7 19 220 Jeff Dugan Vikings Maryland
12 7 31 232 Michael Gaines Panthers Central Florida
13 7 36 237 Erik Jensen Rams Iowa
14 7 44 245 Courtney Anderson Raiders San Jose State
2003 1 1 24 24 Dallas Clark Colts Iowa
2 2 9 41 Ben Joppru Texans Michigan
3 2 29 61 L.J. Smith Eagles Rutgers
4 3 5 69 Jason Witten Cowboys Tennessee
5 3 12 76 Mike Seidman Panthers UCLA
6 3 27 91 Visanthe Shiancoe Giants Morgan State
7 4 7 104 George Wrighster Jaguars Oregon
8 5 13 148 Dan Curley Rams Eastern Washington
9 5 21 156 Donald Lee Dolphins Mississippi State
10 5 26 161 Aaron Walker 49ers Florida
11 7 9 223 Trent Smith Ravens Oklahoma
12 7 20 234 Spencer Nead Patriots Brigham Young
13 7 40 254 Richard Angulo Rams Western New Mexico
2002 1 1 14 14 Jeremy Shockey Giants Miami (FL)
2 1 21 21 Dan Graham Patriots Colorado
3 1 28 28 Jerramy Stevens Seahawks Washington
4 2 23 55 Doug Jolley Raiders Brigham Young
5 3 2 67 Matt Schobel Bengals Texas Christian
6 3 23 88 Chris Baker Jets Michigan State
7 4 5 103 Justin Peelle Chargers Oregon
8 4 16 114 Randy McMichael Dolphins Georgia
9 4 20 118 Chris Luzar Jaguars Virginia
10 4 24 122 Darnell Sanders Browns Ohio State
11 5 3 138 John Owens Lions Notre Dame
12 5 20 155 Terry Jones Ravens Alabama
13 5 25 160 Robert Royal Redskins Louisiana State
14 5 34 169 Ryan Hannam Seahawks Northern Iowa
15 6 2 174 Keith Heinrich Panthers Sam Houston State
16 6 19 191 Jeb Putzier Broncos Boise State
17 6 24 196 John Gilmore Saints Penn State
18 6 29 201 Mark Anelli 49ers Wisconsin
19 6 38 210 Bryan Fletcher Bears UCLA
20 6 39 211 Bob Slowikowski Cowboys Virginia Tech
21 7 12 223 Mike Banks Cardinals Iowa State
22 7 19 230 Jeff Grau Redskins UCLA
23 7 40 251 Tracey Wistrom Buccaneers Nebraska
24 7 42 253 Matt Murphy Lions Maryland
2001 1 1 31 31 Todd Heap Ravens Arizona State
2 2 4 35 Alge Crumpler Falcons North Carolina
3 3 4 66 Sean Brewer Bengals San Jose State
4 3 28 90 Shad Meier Titans Kansas State
5 4 24 119 Jabari Holloway Patriots Notre Dame
6 4 34 129 Brandon Manumaleuna Rams Arizona
7 5 10 141 Billy Baber Chiefs Virginia
8 5 16 147 Tony Stewart Eagles Penn State
9 6 17 180 Arther Love Patriots South Carolina State
10 6 32 195 Dan O'Leary Bills Notre Dame
11 7 5 205 Dauntae' Finger Buccaneers North Carolina
12 7 24 224 Eric Johnson 49ers Yale
13 7 27 227 Mike Roberg Panthers Idaho
14 7 46 246 Tevita Ofahengaue Cardinals Brigham Young
2000 1 1 14 14 Bubba Franks Packers Miami (FL)
2 1 27 27 Anthony Becht Jets West Virginia
3 3 6 68 Erron Kinney Titans Florida
4 4 16 110 Aaron Shea Browns Michigan
5 5 12 141 Dave Stachelski Patriots Boise State
6 5 28 157 James Whalen Buccaneers Kentucky
7 5 29 158 Austin Wheatley Saints Iowa
8 5 35 164 Jay Tant Cardinals Northwestern
9 6 38 204 Jason Gavadza Steelers Kent State
10 7 4 210 Brad St. Louis Bengals SW Missouri State
11 7 22 228 Kevin Houser Saints Ohio State
12 7 24 230 Brian Jennings 49ers Arizona State
13 7 38 244 Giles Cole Vikings Texas A&M-Kingsville
1999 1 2 11 42 Reginald Kelly Falcons Mississippi State
2 2 13 44 Jim Kleinsasser Vikings North Dakota
3 3 8 69 Steve Heiden Chargers South Dakota State
4 3 18 79 Dan Campbell Giants Texas A&M
5 4 27 122 Bobby Collins Bills North Alabama
6 5 3 136 Jerame Tuman Steelers Michigan
7 6 10 179 Desmond Clark Broncos Wake Forest
8 6 22 191 James Dearth Browns Tarleton State
9 7 2 208 Jed Weaver Eagles Oregon
10 7 23 229 Mike Lucky Cowboys Arizona
11 7 24 230 Sheldon Jackson Bills Nebraska
12 7 32 238 Justin Swift Broncos Kansas State
1998 1 2 10 40 Cameron Cleeland Saints Washington
2 2 18 48 Stephen Alexander Redskins Oklahoma
3 2 24 54 Rod Rutledge Patriots Alabama
4 4 2 94 Alonzo Mayes Bears Oklahoma State
5 4 6 98 Roland Williams Rams Syracuse
6 5 2 125 Terry Hardy Cardinals Southern Mississippi
7 5 4 127 Jeremy Brigham Raiders Washington
8 5 23 146 Blake Spence Jets Oregon
9 6 24 177 Todd Pollack Giants Boston College
10 7 6 195 Lawrence Hart Jets Southern
11 7 33 222 Damian Vaughn Bengals Miami (OH)
12 7 48 237 Rodrick Monroe Cowboys Cincinnati
13 7 52 241 Cam Quayle Ravens Weber State
1997 1 1 13 13 Tony Gonzalez Chiefs California
2 1 22 22 David LaFleur Cowboys Louisiana State
3 2 8 38 John Allred Bears USC
4 2 15 45 Freddie Jones Chargers North Carolina
5 3 10 70 O.J. Santiago Falcons Kent State
6 3 17 77 Greg Clark 49ers Stanford
7 5 5 135 Pete Chryplewicz Lions Notre Dame
8 5 7 137 Patrick Hape Buccaneers Alabama
9 5 17 147 Damon Jones Jaguars Southern Illinois
10 5 25 155 Luther Broughton Eagles Furman
11 6 2 165 Nicky Savoie Saints Louisiana State
12 6 11 174 Itula Mili Seahawks Brigham Young
13 6 14 177 Ed Perry Dolphins James Madison
14 7 25 226 Pat Fitzgerald Bills Texas
15 7 27 228 Kris Mangum Panthers Mississippi
1996 1 1 9 9 Rickey Dudley Raiders Ohio State
2 2 9 39 Marco Battaglia Bengals Rutgers
3 2 24 54 Jason Dunn Eagles Eastern Kentucky
4 2 29 59 Ernie Conwell Rams Washington
5 3 3 64 Johnny McWilliams Cardinals USC
6 3 20 81 Brian Roche Chargers San Jose State
7 3 21 82 Scott Slutzker Colts Iowa
8 6 6 173 Chris Griffin Patriots New Mexico
9 6 30 197 Tony Johnson Eagles Alabama
10 6 34 201 Hayward Clay Rams Texas A&M
11 7 3 212 Jarius Hayes Cardinals North Alabama
12 7 7 216 Lovett Purnell Patriots West Virginia
13 7 30 239 Sean Manuel 49ers New Mexico State
14 7 35 244 Jay Riemersma Bills Michigan
15 7 37 246 Henry Lusk Saints Utah
1995 1 1 9 9 Kyle Brady Jets Penn State
2 1 27 27 Mark Bruener Steelers Washington
3 2 7 39 Christian Fauria Seahawks Colorado
4 2 16 48 Ken Dilger Colts Illinois
5 2 27 59 Kendell Watkins Cowboys Mississippi State
6 3 6 70 David Sloan Lions New Mexico
7 4 3 101 Michael Roan Oilers Wisconsin
8 4 17 115 Lovell Pinkney Rams Texas
9 4 24 122 Pete Mitchell Dolphins Boston College
10 4 29 127 Tim Hanshaw 49ers Brigham Young
11 4 33 131 Tony Cline Bills Stanford
12 5 3 137 Jamie Asher Redskins Louisville
13 6 15 186 Kevin Hickman Lions Navy
1994s 1 5 0 0 John Davis Cowboys Emporia State
1994 1 2 32 61 Lonnie Johnson Bills Florida State
2 3 4 69 Harold Bishop Buccaneers Louisiana State
3 4 2 105 Kurt Haws Redskins Utah
4 4 3 106 Bradford Banta Colts USC
5 4 18 121 John Burke Patriots Virginia Tech
6 5 6 137 Aaron Laing Chargers New Mexico State
7 5 26 157 Roderick Lewis Oilers Arizona
8 5 27 158 A.J. Ofodile Bills Missouri
9 6 6 167 Ricky Brady Rams Oklahoma
10 6 11 172 Terry Samuels Cardinals Kentucky
11 6 18 179 Andrew Jordan Vikings Western Carolina
12 7 8 202 Carlester Crumpler Seahawks East Carolina
13 7 25 219 Tracy Greene Chiefs Grambling State
1993 1 1 20 20 Irv Smith Saints Notre Dame
2 2 8 37 Tony McGee Bengals Michigan
3 2 10 39 Troy Drayton Rams Penn State
4 3 5 61 Chris Gedney Bears Syracuse
5 5 3 115 Fred Baxter Jets Auburn
6 5 19 131 John Henry Mills Oilers Wake Forest
7 5 26 138 Richard Griffith Patriots Arizona
8 6 11 151 Mitch Lyons Falcons Michigan State
9 6 17 157 Carlos Etheredge Colts Miami (FL)
10 6 20 160 Frank Wycheck Redskins Maryland
11 7 1 169 Clarence Williams Broncos Washington State
12 7 21 189 Craig Keith Steelers Lenoir-Rhyne
13 7 22 190 Joey Mickey Eagles Oklahoma
1992 1 1 14 14 Derek Brown Giants Notre Dame
2 1 15 15 Johnny Mitchell Jets Nebraska
3 3 13 69 Aaron Pierce Giants Washington
4 3 23 79 Tyji Armstrong Buccaneers Mississippi
5 3 25 81 Thomas McLemore Lions Southern
6 5 3 115 Craig Thompson Bengals North Carolina A&T
7 5 22 134 Todd Harrison Bears North Carolina State
8 5 28 140 Eric Jonassen Chargers Bloomsburg (PA)
9 6 9 149 Fallon Wacasey Cowboys Tulsa
10 6 17 157 Mark Chmura Packers Boston College
11 6 28 168 Ray Rowe Redskins San Diego State
12 7 6 174 Deems May Chargers North Carolina
13 7 7 175 Derek Ware Cardinals Central State (OK)
14 7 11 179 Russ Campbell Steelers Kansas State
15 7 23 191 Dave Moore Dolphins Pittsburgh
16 8 14 210 Luke Fisher Vikings East Carolina
17 8 21 217 Reggie Dwight Falcons Troy
18 9 10 234 Larry Stayner Seahawks Boise State
19 10 9 261 Turner Baur Patriots Stanford
20 11 20 300 Tom Covington 49ers Georgia Tech
21 11 27 307 Vince Marrow Bills Toledo
22 12 13 321 Milton Biggins Dolphins Western Kentucky
1991 1 2 3 30 Reggie Johnson Broncos Florida State
2 4 20 103 Adrian Cooper Steelers Oklahoma
3 5 12 123 Duane Young Chargers Michigan State
4 5 13 124 Ben Coates Patriots Livingstone (NC)
5 5 14 125 Kerry Cash Colts Texas
6 6 20 159 Dennis Ransom Redskins Texas A&M
7 7 11 178 Franklin Thomas Lions Grambling State
8 7 21 188 Keith Cash Redskins Texas
9 8 4 199 Randy Austin Falcons UCLA
10 8 9 204 Jerry Evans Cardinals Toledo
11 8 13 208 Tim Bruton Colts Missouri
12 8 15 210 Frank Wainright Saints Northern Colorado
13 9 15 238 Bruce McGonnigal Steelers Virginia
14 10 1 251 Randy Bethel Patriots Miami (FL)
15 10 12 262 Rapier Porter Packers Arkansas-Pine Bluff
16 10 24 274 Andrew Glover Raiders Grambling State
17 10 25 275 Michael Titley Dolphins Iowa
18 11 17 295 Chris Smith Bengals Brigham Young
19 11 28 306 Ted Popson Giants Portland State
20 12 27 333 Stephen Clark Bills Texas
1990s 1 9 0 0 Willie Williams Cardinals Louisiana State
1990 1 1 21 21 Eric Green Steelers Liberty
2 3 1 54 Mike Jones Vikings Texas A&M
3 4 6 87 Jesse Anderson Buccaneers Mississippi State
4 4 21 102 Jackie Harris Packers N.E. Louisiana
5 5 12 121 Reggie Redding Falcons Fullerton State
6 5 16 125 Charles Arbuckle Saints UCLA
7 6 26 163 Derrick Walker Chargers Michigan
8 6 27 164 Ronne Haliburton Broncos Louisiana State
9 7 13 178 Scott Galbraith Browns USC
10 7 27 192 Shannon Sharpe Broncos Savannah State
11 8 11 204 Doug Wellsandt Bengals Washington State
12 9 11 231 Phil Ross Dolphins Oregon State
13 10 4 252 David Elle Cardinals South Dakota
14 10 6 254 Mike Busch Buccaneers Iowa State
15 10 15 263 Craig Hudson Chiefs Wisconsin
16 11 7 283 Tommie Stowers Chargers Missouri
17 12 27 331 Demetrius Davis Raiders Nevada
1989 1 2 12 40 Walter Reeves Cardinals Auburn
2 2 28 56 Wesley Walls 49ers Mississippi
3 3 7 63 Marv Cook Patriots Iowa
4 4 17 101 Travis McNeal Seahawks Tennessee-Chattanooga
5 4 24 108 Darryl Ingram Vikings California
6 5 1 113 Keith Jennings Cowboys Clemson
7 6 6 145 Troy Sadowski Falcons Georgia
8 6 19 158 Howard Cross Giants Alabama
9 6 25 164 Sean Doctor Bills Marshall
10 8 13 208 Paul Green Broncos USC
11 8 19 214 Rick Aeilts Browns Southeast Missouri State
12 9 8 231 Pat Davis Chargers Syracuse
13 9 10 233 Charles Darrington Redskins Kentucky
14 9 19 242 Vernon Kirk Rams Pittsburgh
15 9 21 244 Bob Mrosko Oilers Penn State
16 10 19 270 Todd Millikan Bears Nebraska
17 12 9 316 Jimmie Johnson Redskins Howard
1988 1 1 13 13 Keith Jackson Eagles Oklahoma
2 2 5 32 Pat Carter Lions Florida State
3 3 1 56 Alex Higdon Falcons Ohio State
4 3 18 73 Ferrell Edmunds Dolphins Maryland
5 4 23 105 Jim Thornton Bears Fullerton State
6 5 3 112 Greg Scales Saints Wake Forest
7 5 21 130 Chris Verhulst Oilers Chico State
8 6 17 154 Steve Johnson Patriots Virginia Tech
9 7 9 174 Pat Kelly Broncos Syracuse
10 7 18 183 Brad Beckman Vikings Nebraska-Omaha
11 7 21 186 Danta Whitaker Giants Mississippi Valley State
12 8 4 197 Alfredo Roberts Chiefs Miami (FL)
13 8 10 203 Keith Neubert Jets Nebraska
14 8 18 211 Mike Hinnant Steelers Temple
15 8 22 215 Robert Tyler Seahawks South Carolina State
16 9 7 228 Neal Wilkinson Packers James Madison
17 10 16 265 Steve Wilkes Giants Appalachian State
18 11 20 297 Donnie Dee Colts Tulsa
19 12 15 320 Brian Kinchen Dolphins Louisiana State
1987 1 3 6 62 Robert Awalt Cardinals San Diego State
2 4 3 87 Ron Hall Buccaneers Hawaii
3 4 19 103 Jim Riggs Bengals Clemson
4 6 26 166 Jon Embree Rams Colorado
5 7 10 178 Chris Kelly Steelers Akron
6 7 17 185 Derek Tennell Seahawks UCLA
7 7 26 194 Wilbur Strozier Broncos Georgia
8 7 27 195 William Harris Cardinals Bishop
9 8 15 210 Joel Williams Dolphins Notre Dame
10 8 28 223 Rod Jones Giants Washington
11 9 4 227 Keith McKeller Bills Jacksonville State
12 9 15 238 Scott Eccles Raiders Eastern New Mexico
13 10 13 264 Jerry Reese Falcons Illinois
14 11 7 286 Brian Siverling Lions Penn State
15 11 11 290 Arthur Wells Saints Grambling State
16 11 15 294 Mario Perry Raiders Mississippi
17 12 10 317 Theo Young Steelers Arkansas
1986 1 4 9 91 Eric Kattus Bengals Michigan
2 4 27 109 Scott Gieselman Patriots Boston College
3 5 4 114 Jeff Parks Oilers Auburn
4 5 25 135 Brent Jones Steelers Santa Clara
5 6 2 140 Thornton Chandler Cowboys Alabama
6 6 13 151 Orson Mobley Broncos Salem
7 7 2 168 Bob Williams Bills Penn State
8 7 13 179 Carl Hilton Vikings Houston
9 7 14 180 Butch Rolle Bills Michigan State
10 8 9 203 Jim Popp 49ers Vanderbilt
11 8 13 207 Cap Boso Steelers Illinois
12 8 26 220 Greg Baty Patriots Stanford
13 9 3 224 Kevin Starks Falcons Minnesota
14 10 16 265 Willie Smith Browns Miami (FL)
15 10 22 271 Victor Hall Broncos Jackson State
16 11 26 303 Arnold Franklin Dolphins North Carolina

let's leave mental health advice to the experts.
We're all a little messed up if we spend this much energy on football, fanatical almost.
Oh yeah, that's what a fan is.
We really need to get to the draft and hopefully the trade so we have some fresh material to chew on.
Come on Gutey, we really need you right now.
GPG

STR, maybe you could try to set a record for posting the same never-ending crap the most times in one thread.
Or set a new record for ruining the most threads with your monotonous recitations of the same info every day. Nobody reads your stuff, we all just scroll past it and try to get back to the original subject of the thread.

Maybe you should try just writing a book somewhere else, so we don't have to be subjected to this abuse everyday. Newsflash! Nobody will read that either.

Corie's reasoning is flawed. The Packers have plenty of leadership in the defensive backfield. Alexander and Douglas are two capable veterans. The youngster Stokes is returning from an ankle injury. Clearly it is better to spend resources on drafting a couple of safetys. Or wait and see who gets cut because of cap purposes at safety and make a run at a veteran. With the added #2 from the Rodgers trade, this becomes a very teal possibility.

As a life long GB fan, I am keeping my expectations low for 2023. Lets face it - Love's first season is unlikely to be outstanding. And without an outstanding cast to support him - either on offense or defense - I don't believe our record will be great. I would be astounded if we got to 9-8 or better...

Accordingly, why bring a guy back late in his career at a position where you are strong re: CB? Yes, a great price would help and if he could play safety or nickel? This is a year for, shall I say it, a "rebuild". So, why? Find a young guy with wheels and who is less expensive. Leave the past as the past.