Indeed :)

Dude really. So you want a GM to make picks the fans want. Sorry but that is not a leader. A leader makes the tough decisions and puts his career on the line to do what is right.

We all know that you love DeJean. Yes he might be a good players but we got an OT and we got a Slot CB/S that might be better than DeJean.

Gute is a very good GM and yes I have had my concerns with MLF but he is still an above average HC. I just wish he was not the play caller or tha he was the OC play caller.

Do you wait to get high or drunk before you post? True Packer fans who know football love this draft as well as the 2023 draft. Did you know there are 32 teams trying to get the best players? Gute got competition at all levels, and the best 53 will be on the field. The GM is not in a popularity contest and avoided a 3-4 year rebuild after your man crush Rodgers left. Few GM's in the NFL could have accomplished that. Many think the Packers are primed for a Super Bowl run. Just not you. Who is your team, anyway? Not that we care but its hard to pinpoint. It sure is not the Green Bay Packers.

Are you ever going to grow up and quit being an attention seeker? Risible.

“We got Hosed.” Which of course, is a million times worse than “We got hosed.” That upper case “h” is what separates champions from also-rans. Ha! Thanks for the laugh, as usual!

Bowl Super have cant.
gm ego driver,!
players Some play - most not
coach Cannot lead
follow will not,
grass yellow, forest purple
trees watch fall!

"The team will never be together in the tough times.
And then will see how we have to save money."

You do realize that the current CBA requires teams to use up 90% of their cap space on player contracts over a 5 year period right? Teams aren't able to pay less and bank all the extra money. Between this year and last year the Packers have had close to $100M in dead money. That is money that counts against the cap for players no longer on the roster. Having that much dead money makes it such that you cannot afford expensive players so you have to get a lot of rookies as they are cheap. As of right now the Packers have $68M in cap space next year. That will change as contracts are signed by rookies and Jordan Love, however, they are finally out of salary cap purgatory next year.

The draft isnt about fans getting their way. Its about building a team. You have the maturity of a child.

You must have so much fun being an irritant to many on this board….lol

To fathom the unfathomable, one empties the mind of all preconceptions. Away with grammar! Smash syntax! Pulverize mathematics and logic. Forget about continuity. One does not equal one. I am not i. Only punctuation can destroy punctuation!

Some of us are better at this stuff than others.

LaFleur ain't getting fired anytime soon. Many fans would be thrilled with a 56-27 record over the end of a hall of fame QB career and a transition to a new QB. When you coach the youngest roster in the league to beat the #2 seed in the playoffs, and barely miss beating the #1 seed, you don't get fired. Period.

This team has ALREADY been together in tough times. Look at last season.

Or are you just mad about Aaron Jones? Gutey just keeps putting a winning team on the field. What else do you want?

Pump the breaks! Holeder, It sounds like you're really frustrated. Expectations unmet can be tough to deal with, especially when things don't go as expected. It's okay to feel upset. If you want to talk more about it, I'm here to listen.

If i squint my eyes just right, this reads:

Stock didn't get anything they wanted in the draft.

"Not just their skills but their attitudes. " THIS ^^^^

Yeah buddy. Worried about how Bullard will hold up size wise. And Cooper needs to learn how to stand in the hole and shed a block. But for second round, they should make a difference on the defense.

"eager to see those pleasant surprises from under the radar guys"

Like the last pick in the draft?

I have more confidence that he'll make it with the chip on his shoulder than any of the others taken after about round 4.

I'm wondering if their most common D is going to be 4-2-5 with 3 safeties (big nickle?). Have Bullard covering the slot, which he did VERY well in college, and either Williams or Oladapo next to McKinney. The mix of Bullard, Cooper, and either WIlliams or Oladapo brings a lot of run and hit to the D. These guys punish the opposing player who has the ball.

Morgan has GREAT feet. Bad footwork. You can teach technique. Trying to teach quick feet is much less successful. Same with his hands; 31 reps on bench press, his max is probably over 400. His usage of his hands has not been great and he knows it, which is why he's been working on it. Again, this is something coaches can address.

GB has the luxury of using him as depth this season if he can't win any position outright. In fact, his versatility could result in needing to dress one fewer O lineman, freeing up a spot somewhere else.

With the 4 additions to O line, hopefully we'll finally see Newman squeezed out.

I’m not Al, but I suspect they would seriously have considered bringing Runyon back at a reasonable price at a 5th or 6th OL contract level after his play later on as he got healthier. The contract Runyon got offered was the end of that. He got paid more than his career as a decent but not plus starter thus far suggests.

Growing up in the lean 70’s and 80’s, I saw the Pack get thrashed time after time by the Bears. Why? Largely due to GB’s inferior lines on both sides of the ball. While I agree that they’re not “sexy” picks, good lines lead to winning, and to me, winning is much sexier than losing, regardless of style.

However, for most of us here: if you need to see what “sexy” and successful looks like, just look in the mirror. Booyah! 😉

Pratt was a late 7th in a thinner draft than any of recent years due to the back log of Covid tailing out and the payments for image use to college players kicking in.

Picking a QB they rated then was wise because we saw other ones less well rated by pundits generally before and since getting big 6 figure guarantees in UDFA, which we do not do.

He keeps the pipeline going cheaply and adds competition. May the best man win.

Pratt beat the #1 pick overall, in a very big game. Before the draft I was thinking that adding another QB would be a mistake, but this guy has been the real deal and what if that continues in the NFL?

I mean I LOVE Clifford as a backup, but what if he gets legitimately bumped to #3? I don't think that can happen by week 1 but whenever that might happen it means the tram got better as long as it's decided on merit. Pratt could also completely wash out as a pro. I have to call this a great pick, since it's Gutey's tenth this season.

Monk is underrated. Morgan could easily be a G, and even more so early on. Glover too may be a G in reality (i doubt his feet can be so miraculously better trained to play T) and I do not rule out Trente Jones or Jenkins despite how we got them. They are good players, just pure Gs at this level.

We could easily see not just Tom at C, but Jenkins freed up as well. I’m not predicting it, but
Walker, Jenkins, Tom, Glover and Morgan
is not impossible any more than
Tom, Morgan, Jenkins, Rhyan and Walker.
Or
Walker, Jenkins, Tom, Morgan, C Jones.
And myriad variations including Monk and Jennings/T Jones and C Jones/Tenuta.

We have preconceived notions, but we don’t know what the Packers think of Caleb Jones and Tenuta or how they think Morgan, Monk, Glover, T Jones/Jennings fit and how near they are to competing.

I see plenty of plausible depth and plenty of options beyond the line you suggest on paper, but I think waiting to see who turns up ready to compete and where they end up doing so is a better option than fretting now.

I could just as easily see Glover, Jennings/T Jones on the PS and one of C Jones and Tenuta cut with Morgan simply playing as next man up. If Monk shows adequate functional strength, I wouldn’t rule him out from competing at C legitimately either.

Perhaps I’m more sanguine than some, but this was a particularly calculated draft in my opinion. They went mostly for players in tiers; able to contribute now, to contribute now in specific roles and who look ready to compete quickly for depth and perhaps to start if we get really lucky.

The one position that got away slightly was CB, but I believe that King will maybe save that day and that they are a lot higher in Rochelle than people realize.

As to Morgan, the guy pressed 31 times. Fix his foot technique and the upside in his power game is considerable. I’f do so as a G initially, simply because I think it’s easier to focus on that aspect and faster.

I think Monk is a guy who could instantly compete at RG for the starting spot. At the very least I think he will be the top interior backup at all 3 spots.

But a player that I think they are excited about is Jennings. I think he will be moved inside.

Pssst…the “secret” is to have about 150 names on your draft crush list…gives you a much better chance to walk away happy!

The only reason I don't see Lloyd moving ahead of Dillon this year is pass protection and fumbling. He is a better runner but if you cannot pass protect and you fumble a lot you won't have a long career in the NFL. He is going to have to clean that up but that will take a year or two.

I agree, Lloyd could prove to be "THE" steal of the draft. Even if he doesn't earn RB2 right away. Also, this takes nothing away from Josh Jacobs :)

I agree. Part of that is picking guys who have a clearly-defined path to snaps on game day, and part of that is picking guys at positions of very questionable depth.

The Packers drafted 11 players and signed 8 UDFAs. That equals 19 players. There are a few more who are coming in to rookie minicamp as tryout players though.

"How high were the hopes and expectations for Bahk to become a great tackle when we drafted him?"

The initial draft scout on Bakh was that he was destined to be a G.

I also thought they already had their starters at OT, so they did not need to draft one so early. But apparently that's where the value was. I felt great about the Jordan Morgan pick once they had drafted arguably the best linebacker and best safety in round 2. That was the trifecta, although I would've been happy if the offensive lineman was just a guard. The fact that Morgan is a tackle who can potentially play guard is so much the better.

I'll take that bet it isn't-
Like Savage- and the Amos regression.
I can add a few more that he signed.
You fail to see Gute will always make mistakes.
Gute's advantage is the weak Division.

The best 5 should be properly evaluated by TC at the latest, with preseason games giving them a chance to gel, so they're READY week 1.

IMHO coaches failing to do this has been the team's biggest weakness for at least 2 years. Hopefully they improve, and specifically at this skill. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, but this is THE single biggest variable re: getting to the SB this season, or not.

Were we in trouble with Walker on the blind side last year? Not in the second half of the season. Far from it in fact. Over the whole season, Walker graded out pretty well despite his early struggles.

We had two problems. We lost our swing tackle and we had no other depth at all beyond perhaps Caleb Jones and Tenuta even if we kept Tom and Walker where they are, an injury and we were one step away from Newman, less on game days. If Tom moved we were there anyway. Similar situation at G with Runyon gone.

Now we have depth and alternatives for Tom and even Jenkins. That matters if we want to compete. Let them be tested and the best overall 5 men win.

And Pratt.

I think the switch from a 2 gap scheme to a 1 gap scheme will help shore up the running D. Not to mention that Williams and Oladapo graded out as elite run defenders in college.

I would also enjoy Morgan becoming another Tom at Tackle!

Morgan is more than an OT, he can play 4 positions. I'm assuming that means everything but C. Keeping him as depth this season and able to substitute anyone injured could be a huge upgrade, as well as possibly needing to dress fewer O linemen freeing up at least one roster spot. That scenario means we have at least five better than him, which would be a good thing. If he beats somebody for their position outright, that would also be a good thing.

I can't find a downside to this pick.

As you say about our rookie LBs, every draft pick is a wait and see proposition. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get to any practices during TC this summer, but it will be at least as pivotal as last year. Hopefully it will prove to be momentous in Packer's history, at least making it TO the SB ...

GPG!!

If Glover is moved to guard, which seems quite possible, let's hope he can at least beat out Royce Newman.

AP, I think that's a premature prediction right now. Does anybody in the FO think this? Hopefully they all want legitimate competition, and excel at evaluating.

You can still separate the player from the ball you just have to be really sure you don't hit them in the head.

"You see Flexibility-
I see Risk."

Flexibility allows you to get the best players on the field. EVERY lineup in the NFL has risks.

"Everything is always changing.
This team has been in a
Constant state of flux,
where change is inevitable.
It's Gute's essential part of existence."

Staying stagnant in the NFL is the best way to be average or worse. You need to keep changing your roster by the year in an attempt to get better. Remember how many people thought that Tampa Bay was going to win the Super Bowl again in the 2021 season since they had such little roster turnover? Instead they lost in the divisional round. 2022 they brought out mostly the same roster AGAIN and did even worse. You need to change to get better. If you keep things the same you are only getting worse year over year.

"Yet- You cannot see the Gaines of our opponents."

We totally see that other teams have gotten better, at least on paper. However, you cannot see that the Packers have also gotten better, at least on paper.

"Gute created holes.
And filled those holes with the unknown."

What holes did he create? Safety? LB? Safety play was already bottom 5 in the NFL last year so it cannot be any worse this year. However, it will most likely be even better just because of McKinney. The LBs weren't doing very well last year either. De'Vondre Campbell hasn't been as good since his 2021 All-Pro season. He was injured in 2022 & 2023 and you could see he has lost at least 1 if not 2 steps. In 2023 he had a 65.4 PFF grade which is average. Cooper can probably be no worse than Campbell last year AND he should keep getting better.

"You sight team Loyalty first.
Say I don't know what I'm talking about."

It is quite apparent you don't know what you are talking about. If somehow you were the GM the Packers would get worse year over year and eventually be the continual worst team in the league.

"Yet who was calling for cleaning the House.
You know it starts at the Top."

Some people, like you, have said Gute should be fired since he drafted Jordan Love. What you fail to realize is that Love was a good pick. However, you cannot accept that as you were a fan of Rodgers and hate that he is no longer on the team. What most of us wanted was for the defensive staff to be jettisoned. We saw the same issues on the D coming around year after year. Last year over the final few games the D did better because LaFluer was getting involved in the D. For 23 of the 30 minutes the D was on the field they were playing amazingly. However, the final drive by the 49ers we saw Barry revert to his norm and give up what they did well before that. Things like that is why Barry had to go.

"Team Loyalty never survives losing.
And I was never a rat that abandoned ship."

Strange you seem to have abandoned ship as soon as Love was named the starter. You do nothing but bash Gute, LaFluer, Love, and anyone else that you think caused you harm as the reason your favorite player left the team. Go be a Jets fan since you seem to like players instead of teams.