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"Chips Report" from Packers Preseason Week 3 Loss vs. Seahawks

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"Chips Report" from Packers Preseason Week 3 Loss vs. Seahawks

Our weekly "Chips Report" will always include two blue chippers (outstanding, exceptional play), two red chippers (good, though maybe not great) and two cow chips (dud performances). From the third preseason game against the Seattle Seahawks...

Blue Chips

  • Quarterback Vince Young––Combined with a dreadful performance by Graham Harrell, Young may have took the lead in the competition for the No. 2 quarterback job. While he didn't complete any passes deep downfield, Young was efficient, completing six of seven passes for 41 yards and a touchdown, good for a passer rating of 130.7. Young was also able to get traction on the ground, scrambling for 39 yards on three carries. He led the Packers' to their only touchdown of the evening and kept the sticks moving.
  • Outside linebacker Nick Perry––It had been a quiet training camp for Perry thus far, not necessarily playing poorly, but not making any waves. People definitley expected more from a first round draft choice. Perry took a big step forward on Friday night, his biggest moment coming when he batted a second quarter pass by Russell Wilson that was intercepted by Casey Hayward. On the first drive of the third quarter, Perry also shed his blocker for no gain on a Seahawks run play, one of three tackles on the night for the outside linebacker.

Red Chips

  • Linebacker Brad Jones––On a night when the first-string defense got no little pass rush outside of Clay Matthews, Brad Jones did his best to chip in. He was sent on a first-down blitz on the Seahawks second drive of the game, and ended up sacking Wilson for a loss of nine yards. That was one of five tackles on the evening for Jones, which tied for the team lead and helped the Packers defense forget the loss of Desmond Bishop, if only for a night.
  • Safety Jerron McMillian––Punter Tim Masthay probably deserves a red chip of his own, but so does McMillian, who grabbed a second-quarter interception of Wilson. Thus far in his brief Packers career, McMillian has shown to be a good in-the-box safety, not afraid to mix things up and make tackles. In order to be a three-down safety, McMillian has to prove himself on the back end, making plays in space, and he did just that by on Friday by reading the quarterback and picking off a pass.

Cow Chips

  • Quarterback Graham Harrell––In the first preseason game against the Cardinals, Harrell averaged 4.0 yards per pass attempt. In the second game against the Rams, he averaged 4.4 yards per pass. Harrell bottomed out against the Seahawks, completing only six of 13 passes for 49 yards, which averaged only 3.8 yards per attempt. Granted, he wasn't helped by drops and penalties, but Harrell got his chance to play with the first-string offense when Aaron Rodgers exited the game after only one series. Harrell didn't take advantage.
  • Cornerback Loyce Means––Means' night got off to a bad start when he was flagged twice on consecutive plays, forcing Masthay to punt on three consecutive downs late in the second quarter. He later lost contain on a third-quarter play that led to a big gain for the Seahawks and then was responsible for giving up the game-winning 42-yard touchdown pass from Brady Quinn to Stephen Williams.

Brian Carriveau is the author of the book "It's Just a Game: Big League Drama in Small Town America," and editor of Cheesehead TV's "Pro Football Draft Preview." To contact Brian, email carriveau@uwalumni.com.

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Wenis's picture

I would be shocked if they kept Harrell. He is just not an NFL player in any aspect.

One disappointment I had from tonight's game was watching every Seattle RB's just torch our DL and run right over the LB's and DB's.

Evan's picture

I thought the run D was good in the first quarter/half. But I don't have the stats to back that impression up.

RC Packer Fan's picture

The run D stuff Lynch. They looked good. gave up some passing plays, but part of that has to do with missing Hayward and Williams.

MarkinMadison's picture

+1

MarkinMadison's picture

Just looked at the stats on ESPN. There were only about three runs given up in the first half that were more than 3 yards other than 12 on a 3rd and 21, and one scramble by Wilson on their first play from scrimmage. Not bad at all for a group that got torched by San Fran and AP last year. I thought it was definitely a step forward.

Idiot Fan's picture

And that first play scramble had a blatant hold on CM3.

Idiot Fan's picture

Uh oh, watch out. Rich is going to be super pissy tonight...

RC Packer Fan's picture

and cow....

Wisconsinexile's picture

Did Fail Mary teach us nothing? Just bat down passes at or near the end zone.

packsmack25's picture

Dude, Loyce Means wasn't on an NFL team last year, and never will be. No way for him to learn.

Wisconsinexile's picture

My bad. I thought that's what coaching was for.

RC Packer Fan's picture

coaching only goes so far...

TommyG's picture

Not to basic defense appearantly.

Bearmeat's picture

Means and Harell are both gone. Young looks like the backup. How he'll be able to handle diagnosing defenses on the sideline when ARod comes out and says "what did you see?" remains a question.

As does the kicking situation. I hope they find another vet.

And that Burnett, Jones and Harris' injuries aren't serious.

Idiot Fan's picture

I never thought I would say this, but Young did look better than Harrell. Although I felt bad when Harrell was out there with the 2s against the seahawk 1s. He didn't stand a chance.

RC Packer Fan's picture

To be fair. Harrell was out there with the 1's vs 1's, and didn't do much more either..

Idiot Fan's picture

True. But once the 1s left, man it got ugly.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Yeah, I agree with that...

Lars's picture

I think we've been more than fair and more than patient with Harrell and so have the Packers.

He's had every opportunity, including Young not being signed until August. And, Young had to play with second stringers, Coleman with the 3rd stringers. Stop making excuses for Harrell.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Completely agree Brian.

A few more that could fit the category of Red chips for me would be Micah Hyde, Mike Daniels, Chris Banjo.

I feel tonight Young and Banjo earned roster spots.

Idiot Fan's picture

Lots to be excited about tonight. I thought the inside pass rush was pretty good all night, and we certainly got after Wilson. I would be less happy about that game as a seahawk fan, regardless of the score.

Wisconsinexile's picture

Well said.

TommyG's picture

They didn't have many highlights, and those penalties are going to catch up with them. That Michael fella looked awesome; 172 penalty yards is almost unbelievable.

WisconsInExile's picture

That guy just has amazing speed and acceleration.

jim's picture

agreed.... lots to be excited about

RJW's picture

Sad to think about the amount of time and effort the Packer organization has invested in Harrell when evaluating his total lack of production. A business would never continue to employ someone who has shown no positive output. While Young has been with the team for a fraction of the time, he has demonstrated skills that can produce results. Harrell should be gone by the end of the weekend.

packsmack25's picture

Here's the problem with Harrell. McCarthy, Thompson, Rodgers, et al...they all clearly like the dude as a person. It's going to have to get to the point where they separate the head from the heart. He's just not an NFL caliber talent. The good lord just didn't give him the physical tools to make it all the way to this level. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but he's gotta go.

Lou's picture

Plain and simple answer packsmack25 you are right on the money. Crosby is a "good guy" as well but do you want him kicking to tie or win a game that decides you go to the playoffs ?

Burt Favre's picture

Harrel on the field often looks like Charlie from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia-a clueless moron(he actually kind of looks like him, and has that thousand yard stare).. Stop worrying about giving VY the job, The more vets you can have around this young team the better.

Spiderpack's picture

He's gone thank God.

Jake's picture

Cow chip : Run blocking.

Idiot Fan's picture

A lot of the ugliest stuff came with our 2s against their 1s, with Harrell at qb no less. Don't get too worked up over tonight.

Lars's picture

More excuses about the 2's. Take a look at the run production even with the 1's all of Franklin, Harris and especially Lacy had more carries than yards. This OLine sucks at run blocking, all the pitiful excuses notwithstanding.

some guy's picture

You're right, obviously the reasonable thing to do is get all melodramatic (everyone knows that production stays at the same level once 2s enter! pitiful excuses!) over a preseason game against a team with one of the best front sevens in football. We're doomed, and the only thing that will save us is getting snippy with each other and talking like supervillains. Speaking of which, your wretched imitation of football analysis has left me queasy.

The TKstinator's picture

Well put.

TommyG's picture

Harris and Lacy combined for 11 rushes and -3 yards. This is something to worry about. Without a legitimate running game our playaction doesn't work. That will leave us with AR throwing way down field on a lot of plays; and then we're right back to where we were last year. All that being said, our offense wasn't the problem last year.

Idiot Fan's picture

Harris's carries came with ones against ones, so those would be more concerning, but it was his first football in a long time so I'll cut him some slack. Lacy had the second line and Harrell at qb against a really good front seven. He had guys on him practically upon taking the handoff.

jh9's picture

On the whole I thought our defense played well enough, but it looked to me as if our offensive line was overpowered most of the night. I'll be curious to hear from those who analyze the game tape.

packsmack25's picture

CJ Wilson may have secured his spot tonight as well. Odds are getting longer for Boyd every game.

Evan's picture

Agreed. And Jolly got a lot of snaps with the 1s. Looks like PS for Boyd.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Yup...

So how do I do this... Sorry Brian, I was wrong you were right, your good looking, i'm not so good looking, your smart, i'm dumb...

I am one that said that it was going to come down to Boyd and Wilson. Wilson definitely is a lock. Boyd will be on PS.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Wilson had a very solid game from my vantage point.

MarkinMadison's picture

+1

Wisconsinexile's picture

I thought the 1st and 2nd defenses looked much more physical than I expected. Russell Wilson started to look frustrated, especially after the 2nd INT. The line did a good job containing #3, and the secondary did much better after ditching the man coverage. Kept the #1 Seattle offense to 3 points over one half. That works for me. The #1 offense, with Rodgers, moved the ball just fine. Cow is drunk. This is a win for the Packers had this been the regular season.

RC Packer Fan's picture

I'm not going to complain to much about officials, especially after last years mess.
But if you touch a QB is that an automatic flag? That penalty on Manning was horrible. I understand what the league is doing, but come on.
And then later in the game with Michael, leading with the crown of his helmet. I don't know how that wasn't a penalty. I am willing to bet he will be fined for that one.

some guy's picture

He drove the QB into the dirt. You don't have to like the rule, but that was exactly what it was written to prevent. The flag was legit, and as they pointed out during the broadcast, we have Reggie White to thank for it.

SpartaChris's picture

Beyond ridiculous. He got flagged for playing football.

The TKstinator's picture

I really don't understand what he should have done differently.

Phatgzus's picture

1) There is no dirt on football fields anymore (I get what you're saying, just pointing that out to be persnickety).
2) That tends to happen when you tackle someone.
3) He didn't pick him up and throw him to the ground WWE (then WWF) style as the Minister used to.

PackerBacker's picture

You should take a look at Soldier Field the next time the Pack plays the Bears. Plenty of dirt there.

Tony's picture

So happy to see VY play well and Harrell suck. VY can win games. Also love seeing Mike Daniels's intensity and Johnny Jolly.
We might have a stacked DL rotation.

Jay's picture

One play that stood out to me, if I remember it correctly: on Christine Michael's 43 yd run, Jolly was abused by whoever his man was. Moved like he was a lightweight. Jolly looked gassed after that play.

jim's picture

yeah... i saw that, too, about jolly... but it was the only negative i saw about jolly. harrell looked horrible, young good, defense was very good with a couple of muffs as already mentioned. hyde is impressive, and banjo hits nicely. disappointed with the roughing call when wilson took the sack.

DR's picture

Hard to evaluate Harrell. He made some good passes downfield that were dropped. The cow chip should go to the offensive line. Harrell hardly had a chance to get the ball off and how many times did Lacy get met several yards behind the line? The OL was getting blown up.

Idiot Fan's picture

That Seattle line is tough for starters to handle. Our backups didn't have a chance. Once they put their 2s in this NHS got a lot better.

Idiot Fan's picture

Stupid auto correct...

Lars's picture

Your third post whining about the back-up line? Harrell was awful, EVEN BEHIND THE FIRST STRING LINE and he's not getting better.

some guy's picture

You're getting way too upset about this, ragebro. Settle down. Have a seat and maybe a drink. Cool off.

Idiot Fan's picture

I'm not trying to defend Harrell, he was terrible. All I'm saying is that for PART of that time he was fighting a very uphill battle.

packsmack25's picture

Harrell made lollipop passes downfield that got pushed by the wind because they were more like punts. He doesn't have the arm strength, at all.

oppy's picture

Agreed, Packsmack.

What really illustrated his lack of NFL arm strength wasn't even the deep throws for me...

It was two weeks ago when Harrell attempted a few of those WR "quick hitters" when they see a CB giving the WR a HUGE bubble at the LOS and the QB immediately tosses the ball, allowing the WR to work the open space and get an easy couple of yards, almost like a run play for the WR..

Harrell was throwing the ball with a lobbing arc instead of driving it to the WR on a frozen rope; the result was that instead of the WR having an easy 2-3 yards before the CB could close the gap, the coverage was in the WR's face by the time the ball got to him and they ended up with no gain..

That's when I conceded that all the hoopla about Harrell's improved arm strength over the last few years was nothing more than wishful thinking. He just doesn't have the cannon- I think it's why we see him getting so many batted down passes at the LOS as well.

SOrry, Graham. You're just not built for NFL level play.

Mojo's picture

The team seems to go backwards whenever Harrell is in the game. Time to find something different.

Masthay was tremendous. Nice tackle too.

Harris tweaked his knee again. Something's not right there.

Hyde is around the ball a lot.

Thought there was consistent pressure on the Seattle QB'S tonight. The first Seattle drive was a result of Wilson making plays - else the D was pretty good.

The run blocking by the second stringers was abysmal, but they were going against the first teamers for a good portion. Not even Lacy could do much with that.

Hawk even made some plays.

The Packers still look relatively small to me.

Phatgzus's picture

Yeah Masthay was a beast last night and was probably the tackler on special teams-2 phrases I hope aren't reiterated much throughout the season.

Idiot Fan's picture

Apparently several hamstring injuries tonight. That sucks.

Evan's picture

Also, another test passed for Bakhtiari (save for a ticky tacky holding call).

RC Packer Fan's picture

That was a pathetic call... I saw a lot worse not getting called. I saw a highlight 2 minutes ago on Sportscenter showing Russell Wilson's run for a first down. Mathews tried to go towards him and clearly was being held. easy to see.

Bakhtiari played well.

Evan's picture

Yep! That Marthews hold couldn't have been more blatant.

packsmack25's picture

If you watch almost any play that Clay isn't a factor in, he's getting held. It's ridiculous how much he's blatantly grabbed and twisted.

Ct Sharpe Cheddar's picture

With Perry on the other side getting good push they're going to have to hold him.Look for that all year.

Lou's picture

Agreed on the call but the good thing was how he "finished" on the play, when was the last time you saw Newhouse do that on a running play. This kid will have some ups and downs but it sure looks like he can be a solid starter for some time. An off season in the weight room to add to his althletic ability and toughness will move him to a higher level in year 2.

The TKstinator's picture

Agreed.
And if we fast forward to next year, GB could have Bulaga, Bakhtiari, Barclay, and maybe even....Sherrod at OT? There is a chance that they may not stink at that position.

Phatgzus's picture

He did play pretty well in terms of pass protection and had a few good run blocks, but he was beat on a number of runs as well, that said after watching the game, I think his future is bright.

zeke's picture

Masthay gets an extra-blue blue chip. He looks like he spent the off-season working out with Ryan Braun.

Lucky953's picture

Good call on Jones and Perry. They're going to be good. Overall I thought the 1st team defense/offense looked pretty good. Harrell is truly a lost cause. He has little capability of moving the ball. Enough excuses already. It has to be Young at backup. Coverage teams were Cow chips to me. Not sure if those were second units. Adrian Peterson couldn't get 50 yds behind our backup OL. Little quality depth beyond Newhouse. A cow chip for the flag-happy officials. Jarrett Boykins keeps showing he belongs. If its possible, my appreciation of Aaron Rodgers keeps growing. Man is he good.

RC Packer Fan's picture

its a completely different team when Rodgers isn't playing...

Mojo's picture

Yes to everything you said. Coverage teams were bad and Boykins looked good to me also. And that Rodgers guy is very very good.

Tibbits's picture

Boykins did have a fumble, but that looked more like a reaction to him being surprised by the ball being there than him actually having a ball security issue. I don't know if that was him messing up by not knowing the ball was going to be there or if Harrell threw the ball too early in the route.

Wisconsinexile's picture

I just can't get enough of Mastay's open field tackle of Tate.

Idiot Fan's picture

Tate just seems like a total douche.

Evan's picture

Most of the Seahawks do. They take after their coach.

Idiot Fan's picture

Yeah, Carroll needs a good c@ck punch too.

VApackerfan's picture

Seriously, Carroll and his gum smacking mouth...just want to punch it. Golden Tate and his head bobbing, cocky, $%^&***.......he didn't do s****.

djbonney138's picture

I was trying to find a gif of it but got this instead..
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000233343/Tate-take...

Paul Rosik's picture

The Packers didn't use the third game as a dress rehearsal but as a disaster check to see what Harrell could do if he had to go in. As expected the answer against a very good D was - not much. As often as the O line was overpowered it is a bit hard to judge the QB and RB play but Rodgers did manage a drive his one series in the game.

The defense looked good and played physical and fast. Let's hope all these players leaving the game (Burnett, Jones, Hayward) are not hurt badly.

Masthay was great. Can he kick field goals too? lol

Lou's picture

Good point, if he can kick field goals (listed the last 2 years as the backup on the depth chart) you could have your first combo kicker since Don Chandler and open another roster spot. WHY NOT TRY IT and let the "head case" hit the road.

jim's picture

I like Crosby. Everybody here probably wonders why. His field goal kicking has been inconsistent and atrocious. I am positive that the Packers are so high on him because of his ability to minimize returns by putting the ball into the end zone often and his ability to do some great on-sides kicks. What would be great is to have that kicker that can boom the ball through the end zone as well as one who masters on-sides kicks and still makes successful field goals attempts. But before the Packers give up on him, I would hope that they would consider that a change in who does the kickoff duties or who does the field goal kicking duties may produce may produce a kicker, or a pair of kickers, that does both. Having Masthay kick field goals means the Pack has to find another holder. I am curious if having him kick off may be the solution to Crosby's issues with splitting the uprights. Residing in upstate New York, I may not be seeing what some of you may already be aware of regarding what is being done about the situation.

Lou's picture

FYI, Crosby was 21st in touch backs last season, the big leg from early in his career is now as inconsistent as his field goal attempts. He is the best on sides kicker I have ever seen and never backs off on a tackling opportunity. However those traits do not balance his in ability to kick under PRESSURE. His kick to tie against the Colts was the worst shank (not blocked) kick I have ever seen, it ended up on the left sideline bouncing back almost parallel to where he kicked it. In McCarthy's only losing season he missed in 3 games to tie or win, two were indoors and medium range.

Stroh's picture

His touchbacks went down cuz the Packers wanted him to kick it deep, but allow a return. Even a 25 yd return from 5 yds deep, means the ball is at the 20. Most returners don't average 25 yds on returns. If the coverage is good your better off allowing a return from just in the end zone than to have your kicker boot it out of the end zone.

Cow42's picture

adios Hayward, B. Jones, Burnett, Harris

see you guys sometime after week 4.

0-3 by then without those guys.

Brian Carriveau's picture

Just like Datone Jones, right cow?

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

MTWABP, PACITF.

mudduckcheesehead's picture

Make the world a better place, punch a cow in the face?

hayward4president's picture

How the hell did u figure that out lol

mudduckcheesehead's picture

I love a good puzzle. Was I right?

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Ding. Ding. Ding.

CHTV has your prize in the mail, congratulations!

#MTWABP, PACITF

mudduckcheesehead's picture

Thanks, Fitz. I always enjoy reading your stuff.

jim's picture

lol

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Same to you, Mudduck.

Evan's picture

Just like those 50 pts the Hawks were gonna roll up, right?

RC Packer Fan's picture

lol, I forgot about that one. Well I guess they didn't want to score 50 tonight cuz if they wanted to they would have. (eyeroll)

Idiot Fan's picture

I thought those guys were non-playmaking bums?

4thand1's picture

You must really get your rocks off with the trolling expert you are.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Hell, they will be 0-10. Shit... lets just give up the season and try to get Clowney with the first pick. While we are at it. Lets trade away a few players that aren't big enough to play in the league.
David Bakhtiari is one I remember you said was to small....

CowKiller's picture

I thought I told you to stay away. You little troll you Heifer.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Aaaahaha. MTWABP, PACITF.

4thand1's picture

MM knows who the starters are. He gave a lot of wannabes a fair shot.Packers D with 2 picks on Wilson Is a good sign.

redlights's picture

And SEA has this 6'7" 300 pounder for the past 8 years. Why can't GB figure it out?

VApackerfan's picture

Figure what out?

Jay's picture
packsmack25's picture

Did anyone else notice that they opened up with DJ Williams running as an H-Back? Makes you wonder if he's competing more with Kuhn than the other TEs.

VApackerfan's picture

I noticed that. Then they posted the starting lineup with Finley at TE. Honestly, I'm digging the Amosa FB. He seems to be tough. Kuhn just seems to be a name and also a pricey FB. Pack is all about getting younger and keeping the price tag down. Kind of seems like a no brainer. Unless your running a Vontae Leach leading run game, why invest so much?

jim's picture

didnt they have two tight ends starting off the game, with williams dropping off and going into motion?

RC Packer Fan's picture

I hope so. I can't stand Kuhn getting the ball on a full back hand off... NO MORE....

Idiot Fan's picture

I couldn't believe that play call. We have this new stable of running backs and we still get that?

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Amen.

thehatefulnerd's picture

Wasn't it on like a 2nd and 16? Something like that.

A dive play to Kuhn? Dude can't run fast enough to make it to the sticks.

Lars's picture

At least Kuhn got more yards than carries, which is more than you can say for Lacy (8 carries -5 yards) Harris and franklin. It's only one play and Kuhn will make this team. Get over it.

Meanwhile the Sea Hawks Christing Michael ran wild through the Packer defense and outside of the 2 int's and some nice play by Jones, the D still looks soft.

redlights's picture

MM wants a leader in each position group. I predict that Kuhn will be that person for the RB's this year. I don't like his cap number, either; but he is integral in the punt units, and is dependable as a receiver. Obviously, pass protection is his calling card, but I don't see Kuhn going anywhere.

I do question DJ Williams, though. Not a good blocker (Quarless did much better last night), and too many drops as a receiver. Like G.Harrell, MM knows what he has and should look for higher upside players. IMO

jim's picture

With all the free agents that need to be signed beyond this year, beware of falling in love with anybody who may be a cap hit... there are many that can be.

thehatefulnerd's picture

We got TWO interception from Russell Wilson in one half of football.

We can beat these guys.

Idiot Fan's picture

Also, that late dive by the TE into a defender's knees (Burnett?) was total bush league.

VApackerfan's picture

That was Sweezy. He seems like a wild card the seahwawks are trying to play with, and he is part of the losing battle. He made a lot of mental mistakes tonight.

redlights's picture

Pickett talked to Sweezy after the first play, already. He must have talent, but looks like a loose cannon to me. Apparently, he's not high on their pecking order because he played into the 4th quarter. Maybe he could play DLine for the Lions. :)

VApackerfan's picture

Couldn't agree more with the chip report. Vince Young convinced me tonight he is the #2 QB. I understand he is behind in regard to learning this complex offense. However, his raw ability is far beyond that of Harrell. I'm convinced the on the run pass to Stoneburner, where Stoneburner fumbled, would not have been completed by Harrell. He was missing bad on some throws. VY also seems calmer and more relaxed. There is no excuse for Harrell to be struggling this bad in an offense he knows very well.

Brad Jones and Nick Perry looked good as well.

packsmack25's picture

I believe the Stoneburner throw was Coleman, actually.

VApackerfan's picture

You're right, it was Coleman. Too many beers at this point...I guess that proves my point even more. Coleman, a guy who will not make the final roster cut, scrambled to the left and threw across his body to Stoneburner. Some would say easy throw....but that throw goes over the TE's head if thrown by Harrell.

Phatgzus's picture

Coleman will make the PS no problem, lay off the beers man.

VApackerfan's picture

Again, Coleman, a guy who will not make the final roster cut

4EVERGB's picture

I remember my comment about three weeks ago......Harrell is terrible. He needs to go. Please usher him to the door. In fact, he was terrible the last two seasons. Packers wanna bees sent messages like "Oh you are a head coach now", "you know it all". Yes. I do. Now that we have established that, we need to send Crosby on his way. But what about the next kicker? Let's hire a high school kicker. It would be better than Crosby. Remember that. In December, Crosby kicking and he misses......................

Turophile's picture

Pretty good showing overall by the Pack. more so considering both our first round OTs are out, along with both our top WRs.

As said elsewhere, I think we come away happier with what we have seen, than the Seahawks.

If Rodgers and Matthews stay healthy, we win a lot of games this season.

TommyG's picture

Did anyone else gasp when they saw AR get go down spinning? All that I could think was "ah crap, radial fracture". Thank goodness he was still walking after that.

murphy's picture

All I hear is Ozzy...:

"I am iron man!"

MarkinMadison's picture

Vince Young did fine for what little he played, but I'm not sure if he is blue chip worthy. He's definitely more athletic than Harrell, and I appreciate that part of his game. But the playbook still gets a lot smaller when he goes in. He did not attempt anything last night other than short passes. I'm not sold that he can win for the Packers in anything other than spot duty. He should get a longer look in the 4th game, and so should Coleman. I'd like to see if Coleman can put anything together when he is not running for his life. Let him have a series with the #1 O.

Cow42's picture

I'm shocked that you guys aren't more concerned with the injuries to Harris, Hayward, Burnett, and Jones.

It should be the topic of every post on here.

The defense just got gutted, and we're now down to 1 legit NFL running back.

We're talking hamstrings and knees here.

Especially Hayward. Re-tweeked the same hammy... THAT'S NOT GOOD.

These guys are most likely all going to miss the opener at least. Probably won't see some of them until after the bye.

Everything else that went on in last night's game is unimportant.

Idiot Fan's picture

That's definitely concerning, especially Hayward. But since we don't know the results yet, we're holding off on the sadness and talking about some of the exciting things from last night.

Cow42's picture

ah.
sticking your heads in the sand.
maybe i should try that.

Idiot Fan's picture

How is that sticking my head in the sand, just because I don't want to constantly dwell on the negatives?

hayward4president's picture

Enough Cow ....wtf is wrong with you. We had some players step up and make good plays and we all wanna talk about it. Go down in your basement ...put on your 9ers jersey...and some lipstick...and cry yourself to sleep.

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

#MTWABP, PACITF!

SpartaChris's picture

Just shut the fuck up already, douche.

CowKiller's picture

Cow you little shit I'm going to carve you into delicious steak if you keep whining.

pooch's picture

Cow Rodgers played 1 series without Lacy behind him,they put Lacy in with now departed Harrel,do you think they were threatened by Harrel,ah no..,lot positives with the D,especially Seattle averaging 40 points a game,give it a rest,as they say,its preseason

hayward4president's picture

NICK PERRY everybody! Finally something I have been saying all year finally happened. Not only did he get in the backfield......a lot. He also made some solid stops in the run game and caused that int. Perry is a force on the outside. Mike freakin Daniels...made plays all nite. Brad Jones really impressed me as well. Last but not least ...our new pass rusher Micah Hyde. The play where he came off the edge and smashed the rb was awesome. A lot of DBs hit the rb but he made a sure tackle. Hyde is ballin!

jack in jersey city's picture

hyde can play some football! i think he's going to be a major player for this team for the next few years

Calabasa's picture

What's up with this Lombardi Ave site? Shitty articles full of ads, and now they're ripping off CheeseheadTV with their own Good, Bad and Ugly? You guys should call your lawyers...

Although their content is so bad, you might not be worried about them...noticed "Lambeau" is spelled "Lambeauu" in their article...nice work kids.

Wisconsinexile's picture

CHTV isn't the only one that does TGTB&TU: http://bit.ly/170muXd

PackRat's picture

Defense looks good vs. balanced offense attacks. But teams with pure passing attacks can put up lots of points. Third and <10 continues toexpose the underbelly of the coverage--no blanket coverage or "downhill" playing inside linebackers to destroy the underneath passing game. Was hopeful Manning or Barrington (the latter still with hope) would be the player AJ is not.

Palmer a keeper. Only going to play faster.

Dontae gets a pass because still injured. But desperately need to get pass rush out of him.

DL looked great against inside runs--Time to let Pickett's (thank you for your wonderful service) salary go to keep Boyd and Miller and let them grow.

Would much rather keep Banjo than Jarret Bush, save money and not have to watch Bush try to cover anyone.

Secondary still a mess without Hayward, Williams and a developing House.

Wish they keep Lacy, Starks, Green and Harris, all who offer positive plays. Lose/Trade Franklin and Kuhn...Franklin pick was just a hedge of Lacey who is definitely the real McCoy.

steven's picture

Uhhh no Franklin's a rookie chill

FITZCORE 1252'S EVO's picture

Graham Harrell to be released! Sorry about your son Rich, ah... No I'm not!

Lou's picture

He was released per the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinal. I think that balloon he threw on the long sideline pass that hung was the last straw. Saw an article today where his average per pass completion during all his exhibition play was only 4 yards, that says it all. Hard to feel sorry for him, with salary/playoff shares he made a couple million dollars and got a Super Bowl ring.

Hank Scorpio's picture

Loyce Means did have the play of the game. The TD he gave up prevented OT.

Bert's picture

I like a lot of things about this team. I think the defense looks more solid and deeper although I wish Capers would scale back on the "schemes" and just play smash- mouth football more often. Lacy is a huge upgrade at RB BUT the O'line will probably hold us back from having a really effective running game. Sure woulda been nice to have Sherrod and Bulaga for Lacy to run behind. As it is our O'line looks pretty weak. EDS is a backup at best.

Cow42's picture

"I think the defense looks more solid and deeper "

that was until 25% of it pulled their hamstrings.

here's your starting group week 1...

Raji, Pickett, Jones
Matthews, Hawk, Francois, Perry
House, McMillian, Jennings, Shields

Pretty f'n pedestrian.

The TKstinator's picture

Hey there is no need for hyphenated profanity here. Let's keep things above board.

Now back to the sunny optimism this site is known for.

Spiderpack's picture

Cow, u are either a bipolar son-of -a-bitch, or a clever alter-ego of Nagler's which he has schemed to stir things up & make us all clamor together against the antichrist. (Notice that "antichrist" is not capitalized because Nagler is an atheist & God is not what I'm referring to). No human being is capable of this much bullshit.

redlights's picture

You never watched a game with my father.

Bert's picture

True, but it's a long season and I expect the guys with the hamstrings to get back. I doubt seriously if we beat the 49ers with or without the hamstring gang. Over the long haul our biggest worry is the O'line. EDS is overmatched and our 2 tackles just aren't going to provide anything in way of a running game.

Stroh's picture

Watching the Cards preseason game. Carpender just had a 25 yd FG blocked. So much for him being such an upgrade over Crosby. Nothing wrong w/ the hold or snap, he just didn't get it up! LMAO at all the peep thinking Carpender would be a good kicker for the Packers!

Stroh-Hater's picture

SHUT UP STROHMAN. You think you are such an expert at all things football when in reality you know nothing. ARE you a Coach? NO?! Nobody likes you Stroh. STROHMAN STAY AWAY. STROH! PLEASE!

Stroh's picture

Whatever cowkiller. Troll or whatever you chose to call yourself! My buddy that played college ball and a Sports journalist think I know a lot. So what some troll says means nothing!

Stroh-Hater's picture

They're obviously yes-men Straw wake up. And my name is clearly Stroh-Hater. Can't you read? You'd better sue the American education system.

Stroh's picture

Hate all you want you wish you knew as much about Football as I do. Hell you wish you knew 1/2 as much football or as much about anything. Your just a troll!

Stroh-Hater's picture

You're*, the contraction of you are. At least I know more grammar than you Straw. So your premise is invalid. STROHMAN STAY AWAY.

Stroh's picture

So becuz I used your instead of you're I don't make a valid comment? Yeah that makes less sense than anything! Fact is NOTHING you say makes any sense. A Troll never does!

California Cheesehead's picture

Does Cheesehead tv take the weekend off? :)

Idiot Fan's picture

Seriously, what are we paying them for?... [someone whispers in Idiot Fan's ear]...Oh, um, THESE AREN'T THE DROIDS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR [waves hand]...

Phatgzus's picture

"These aren't the aroids we're looking for" *chorused hypnotically by all*.

Evan's picture

Zach Ramirez? Another street free agent kicker??

The TKstinator's picture

2011 First team All America at Portland State as a junior. Knee injury shortened his senior year. Worth a look. Neither K already in camp has a stranglehold on the job, agreed?

Evan's picture

"Neither K already in camp has a stranglehold on the job, agreed?"

Oh, 100%. I just don't get bringing in another kicker with zero experience. I would have preferred someone with a track record

Stroh's picture

I'll take a guy w/ a good college resume over another retread NFL kicker, who's basically proven not to be reliable. That's just me...

Carpender being the perfect example.

Stroh-Hater's picture

OMG STROHMAN his name is Carpenter!!!

Idiot Fan's picture

I thought I read that the Packers contacted either one or both of the cut kickers last week, but both ended up in sunny places. It's probably hard to convince people to come and kick here.

Stroh's picture

Considering Lambeau is the most difficult kicking environment, can you blame them? Not that either is better than Crosby, just another retread NFL Kicker.

Evan's picture

@jasonjwilde 2m
#Packers cuts are official: QB Graham Harrell, WR Alex Gillette, WR Omarius Hines, WR Justin Wilson, DT Gilbert Pena, RB Angelo Pease.

No surprises at all. Hope Pease makes it to the PS (although, since he's such a early cut, maybe the Packers don't feel the same?)

Stroh's picture

That would be my guess regarding Pease. They've done it in the past where they released a guy on the 1st cut then put him on PS tho. DeShawn Wynn, but he was on the team the previous year, had some off-field issues IIRC and was coming back from injury. That's not the case w/ Pease.

The TKstinator's picture

Starks and or Green's future? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Evan's picture

Starks is gone. Green, I think he might make it. Showed a nice burst on Friday.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Right now the only way I see Starks making it is if the injury to Harris is major. I think Green made the team. He showed real burst in the last game.

Stroh's picture

Green sticks. Made more plays than Starks. Expected it all offseason it would come down to one spot between them and always thought Green would win out.

The TKstinator's picture

Could be.
Starks just seems hurt all the time but when he does play he looks good.
Green is tough to evaluate since I'm not sure we've ever seen him TOTALLY healthy. But he gets credit from me for toughing it out as well as he did last year. After which he admitted the knee still hurt like hell!

Stroh-Hater's picture

Now you're a clairvoyant Straw? Do you even know what that means Strawman Stroh?

zeke's picture

I think Green is a better third-down back than Franklin, though that isn't saying much (yet). As for Starks, much likely depends on the severity of Harris' knee injury. The scenario where both Starks and Green make the final cut may not be that far-fetched.

Stroh's picture

If Harris is out indefinitely, I would expect both to have a legit shot of making it.

The TKstinator's picture

Me too.

Idiot Fan's picture

What's the rule on when you can sign people to the PS? I know there's a time period that you have to wait, but is that relative to the final cut down date, or relative to the date that you cut someone? If the latter, maybe they're trying to make it harder for someone to claim him. Who knows.

Stroh's picture

I believe its 2 days after the final cutdown. I know its after the final cutdown tho. I believe 48 hrs to give all teams a chance to look at all the FA available.

Colradopackerfan's picture

Not surprised about harrell, but the hype about Young is so overdone. The guys had thrown more INTs, had bad passes and even ha balls fall out of his hand in practice than I like to discuss. One decent series against another's team backs ups doesn't cut it for me(besides the fact that he threw what would have been a int against the 1st strig). He other drive was as pitiful as BJs. Good luck- what are the pack going to do next week if youn throws 4 or 5 picks?

Bert's picture

Agree ColoradoPF. This is simply a case of Young being less awful than Harrell. Still kinda awful though.

just wait's picture

17 days give VY time to learn this system.

just wait's picture

Oh I see you no fan of VY. Maybe the 31-19 as a QB help his case that he can win games. Maybe you just under rate him. Let talk about him at end of the season.

Evan's picture

Uh oh...don't let Nagler see you using W/L as a QB stat.

I bleed Green More's picture

I love what I saw on the new kicker watch here and be amazed this kid is GOOD> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma3v2Cebk3g

RC Packer Fan's picture

I still wonder why they brought him in so late. And if they liked him why didn't they bring him in vs. Giorgio?

I heard the kid has a great leg.

Evan's picture

And why was he sitting around waiting for a call? I hope he's great, though.

RC Packer Fan's picture

Either way the extra competition seems to be working for Crosby, who in the end I believe will end up being the kicker.

At this point I just want anyone that can be accurate. Points are to valuable in close games.

steven's picture

Well he went 11 for 12 and had a 60 yarder

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