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Browns: 27 Packers 24

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Browns: 27 Packers 24

Aaron Rodgers, Jermichael Finley, Mike Neal

The Bad

The Bad

Dom Capers, Shawn Slocum, Ryan Grant

The Bad

The Bad

Sam Shields

BrokenTV

BrokenTV

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Bogmon's picture

How about ALL KICK RETURNERS under UGLY.

Tommyboy's picture

Well, Shields did have a nice break on a ball on defense. I know people said he could have had a pick-6, and he could have. However, it certainly was not as easy as it initially looked, IMO. The receiver was able to disrupt it some. Shields didn't play well as a returner, which is exactly what I think we all expected.

nerd's buddy's laptop's picture

Yeah as a returner he was ugly> I still like him as a CB.
I thought the run blocking was ugly.

Ron LC's picture

No arguements with that list. Unless they can sneek a barrel of Stickum on to the field, last night should have been Shields last perfoormance as a returner.

Which leads to - no one can return. Just pathetic on returns and coverage. Inconsistent kicking. Boom one shank one and both kickers looked like identical twins. I think it would be appropriate to dump Slocum into the "Ugly" category. Coverage eams werevery poor as well.

Yes, Capers has work to do. I'll buy the vanila approach as part of the problem. Looking at the one on ones it was very disappointing. Was Junkins even on the field? Nice play by Neal chasing down the screen play. Williams didn't look too good in coverage.

PackersRS's picture

I'm really, really worried about Tramon Williams. For a guy that should challenge to be the #2 CB, he has shown nothing. And not just in preseason...

packeraaron's picture

You're insane.

andrew's picture

i agree with aaron.. tramon is very good.. he will be fine i have faith in him

madman's picture

I've been a homer for Underwood for a while now. I think that he is coming along very nicely. If Bill Parcells was running this team Underwood and Finley would have their butts handed to them for their off-field antics, and the team would be fine. As it is, Finley will probably make the Pro Bowl this year, and I can see Underwood starting and Woodson rotating to safety within two years. But McCarthy needs to get tough with these players, or they will never NEVER win a Super Bowl.

pat fermanich's picture

well said ron lc

pat fermanich's picture

aaron nagler beautiful art work. good bad, ugly put that in locker room.

packeraaron's picture

Thanks for that, but the graphics are all Corey :)

pat fermanich's picture

help me out here. who you think will be the starting lb. for the season opener i no its early ?

pat fermanich's picture

will we keep more t-ends or fullbacks.

Packerbacker's picture

I would think we'd keep an extra TE since you can always motion them into the backfield and use them as a FB.

Oppy's picture

at this point, it doesn't even matter who the return men are. If the ST units don't learn to block or tackle, ST will be the Achilles's heel yet again.

Slocum should be on notice. When it comes to making roster decisions at cut-down time, I don't know that any team in the NFL puts more emphasis on special teams ability than the Green Bay PAckers... And yet, our special teams coverage and protection units are abysmal. That puts it squarely on the coach, IMO. Who cares who the returner is if the protection unit can't give him a step? Who cares who the punter is if the coverage unit can't get off a block to get up field and make a tackle?

Jersey Al's picture

Well said, oppy. We've been promised specific focus on special teams for at least the last 2 years. lack of results points to the coaching...

packeraaron's picture

Um, does the guy get more than one preseason game to make adjustments, or should he be fired today?

Packerbacker's picture

Today ;)

PackersRS's picture

You coach the 32th ST unit, you shouldn't have such luxuries.

Oppy's picture

moreover, if you're starting the new season with a unit that is coming off a dead-last ranking, it should be incredibly easy to see noticeable if not vast improvement coming out of the gates in training camp. There's literally nowhere to go but up... Unless you just keep it parked or in neutral.

Oppy's picture

Um, the guy has had over a year to make adjustments, and there's no sign, none, of improvement at this point in coverage or protection. Slocum is going to have a much better punter this season, and he should be thankful for that. But it looks like it's going to to be wasted on bad coverage.

I didn't call for Slocum to be fired on the spot. I did call for someone to firmly let him know that he needs to figure it out and show some improvement, or else. Again, this isn't slocum's first training camp. This has been his unit and his alone for a full year, and the Packers have gone out of their way to base roster decisions on who's the more gifted ST'er. If you are supplying the talent, and you're not getting results, one has to start questioning the training approach or the schemes.. Whose domain do those fall under?

packsmack25's picture

Good: Packer Football is back.

Bad: It's just preseason.

Ugly: People think it already matters.

fhornplayer83's picture

Amen.

madman's picture

It matters about as much as a weather prediction. It is just about as accurate. But most of us check the weather forecast pretty regularly.

WoodyG's picture

Ref Shields - Seems like meaningless preseason games would be the correct venue to coach up a raw player .........

Blast from the past ..... "Bullet Bob Hayes "couldn't catch a cold in a blizzard" early in his NFL career, but the receiver worked hard to improve his hands. "

WoodyG's picture

BTW - Bullet Bob almost single handedly forced zone coverage into the NFL ........ NFL HOF Inductee - 2009.

Speed counts.

PackersRS's picture

But that's the same way of thinking Al Davis has employed in his drafts.

I'm just saying.

fhornplayer83's picture

I honestly feel bad for Ryan Grant.

The guy had a VERY uncharacteristic fumble on the first play - which he took full responsibility for - then ran a 6-yard play before getting injured.

On his fumble, that was mostly a great effort by the D-lineman, and Grant would have picked up a decent chunk of yardage without it.

On the injury, it didn't look like Grant had any passing lanes whatsoever. I could be wrong, since I can only go by the limited replay shots, but that's what it looked like.

I think he deserves less vilification than what he's getting.

packeraaron's picture

You turn the ball over, you get put in the "Bad". That's just how I roll...

PackersRS's picture

Adrian Peterson consistantly in the Ugly category?

packeraaron's picture

In the NFC Championship game, the Vikings turned the ball over 5 times. If Peterson doesn't fumble just once, they probably go to the Super Bowl.

Turnovers are "Ugly"

PackersRS's picture

Peterson stats in that game:
25 att. 122 yards 3 tds. Also 2 receptions for 14 yards.

By NFL.COM, he did fumble 2 times, but both were recovered by the Vikings, once by himself.

Peterson fumbling wasn't what costed them the game. Berrian had 1 fumble lost. Harvin had 1 fumble lost.

And Favre had 2 ints and a fumble lost, to one TD.

What costed them the game was none other than Favre.

packeraaron's picture

Good point - forgot both were recovered. Hey, you're talking to the guy who put Ryan Grant in the ugly after the 07 Seattle playoff game. I just hate fumbles.

Bogmon's picture

I don't care if I get slayed for this, but watching Grant get shaken up my heart sank to the pit of my stomach....who do we have after him....NOTHING.

I want the Packers to get Brian Westbrook...This is what true SuperBowl contenders do and that is bring seasoned vets along for the ride.

Shootz's picture

I think Bedard put it well last week - if Grant gets hurt then the Packers just pass more until he returns.

I think Jackson showed more great blocking instincts over the weekend and it would be interesting to see how Quinn Porter would perform if he wasn't running into blitzers on every single play.

On Westbrook, I wouldn't be opposed to his signing if Grant went down long-term, but it looks like the Rams are going to be getting his services this season. Westbrook's going to be 31 this year, has a pretty decent injury record which includes major concussions and only started 8 games last year. I don't think adding him to the roster would genuinely provide much comfort, particularly because we'd have to bump one of our young backups to do so.

DAWG's picture

I agree Boggy, I like Grant's enthusiasm, effort, as a team guy, but that play showed he has a glass jaw, and Im afraid a concussion might be diagnosed,tomorrow! can you say Westbrook?-He too has concussion problems, thats why he's not signed yet.
We might have a major problem at RB.-SHIT!
SLOWCUM & CAPERS better get to work soon!- we'll see if we deficiantcies

DAWG's picture

Gotta say- DB=- Ward guy from Oregon is an animal! Future all pro?
All over the field!

DAWG's picture

TT has always liked Marshall Lynch, why not take a look at him, he wants out of Buffalo-baggage guy-maybe needs a new start! Doesn't need to be THE guy!-might work!!!!!!=Grant money- F7565k the money! Capers and Slowcom=Im concerned!

Shootz's picture

Well, I'm certainly glad to see no one is panicking over the situation.

Mr. Bacon's picture

I would replace Shields with Highway 24 anyday. Bush got torched again, and the Browns got a big gain.

Oppy's picture

Rewind that, scratch that, and flip that.

I think you mean you'd replace Highway 24 with Shields anyday.. Right?

Mr. Bacon's picture

My bad, Shields I would keep. Thanks.

PackersRS's picture

Oh agreed.

Shields may or may not pan out as a player.

Bush has already failed as a player.

Bogmon's picture

I hope we are all wrong about Bush...
He looks good in Special Teams.

DAWG's picture

Hey- Bush brings donuts everyday to the coaching staff-leave him alone!

pat fermanich's picture

woody g take me back zone covarge worlds fastest human. bob did not bob jeter cover him mostly.

WoodyG's picture

Jeter was considered the fastest of the DBs but I'm sure he had help from W. Wood, H. Adderley & Tom Brown ..... Another note of interest on Bob Jeter ..... "Bob Jeter (As a Halfback) rushed for a Rose Bowl record 194 yards on just nine carries, including an 81 yard touchdown run, another Rose Bowl record. Jeter was the 1959 Rose Bowl MVP for the Iowa Hawkeyes." ...... His son (Rob Jeter) is Basketball HC at UW-Milwaukee.

pat fermanich's picture

when we start the season what team is going to give the strongest pass rush.chicago or detroit

dilligaff's picture

As far as I am concerned we are still undefeated, the division is ours to take and we have an excellent chance to represent the NFC in Dallas.

THIS IS PRESEASON, you can not read too much into this, there are just way to many variables. IT IS PRACTICE.

Our season does not rest on an undrafted rookie turning our special teams around nor being a difference maker on defense.

If that is the only ugly after the 1st preseason game, we are doing rather well.

DAWG's picture

UMMM-it was Cleveland-oouuchh!

DAWG's picture

At HOME!!!!!? WWLD?

fish's picture

As long as MM and the coaching staff can get a good view of who our starters will be before week one I don't care what the preseason scores are. I just about went insane last year watching the musical chairs act through week eight with the O-Line. I think Shields will be fine, just opening night jitters. You ever take off running really fast, leading with your body before your legs start moving and fall flat on your face?, That was Shields first NFL experience.

Oppy's picture

Fish,

what you may not know is Shields has dropped almost as many punts and kicks in practice as he has caught.

I wish I were grossly exaggerating, but he's got to be close to one drop/bumbled return attempt for every 2.5 cleanly fielded punt or kick.

He does NOT have the skills. Will he develop them? Maybe he will. But there are just some guys who never get the knack. he certainly has not shown any natural affinity for the job, and that has to work against him.

madman's picture

Oppy nails it again. Shields can catch an interception, but catching a kicked ball is different. Shields does not have the feel for it. He is not ready for it, and he is unlikely to be ready for it this year.

fish's picture

Thanks Oppy,

If that's the case with Shields, than we need to boot him right now. If his ego says "I'm going to catch this punt and score a 90 yard TD, but his actual play ends up turning them over at the 10 yard line, that would suck!". That would have the Pack starting every game from a "come from behind situation". I don't want a Barbre situation again either where everyone thinks he just needs more reps. Really, How hard is it to catch a ball? Especially when it's the main object in your career. That's like a Nascar driver not knowing how to use his steering wheel.

Oppy's picture

Fish,
I recently said this to someone else-
catching kick offs and punts is a specialized skill that is much more difficult than most people will ever realize.

If it wasn't so, any good RB or WR would be a shoe-in for the job.

I don't believe Shields should be ousted from the team- he's surprising gifted for a extremely raw DB (He's a converted WR). But the punt/kick return experiment doesn't look good at this point.

DAWG's picture

I agree Fish, I like this kid Shields, they need to get the ball machine out, with crowd noise in the DHS, and have guys crashing down at him before the catch. He's got desire, you could see how bad he felt after the blunder, work-em, he's a rook! Remember the Bowl game against the Badgers!

NickGBP's picture

I'd rather the team lose every single pre season game if it means we avoid the overinflated hype after last pre-season.

DAWG's picture

And to say the over inflated hype this season isn't over rated?
Caper's and Slowcom can only answer that!

pat fermanich's picture

thanks woodyg growing up in green bay and when pack would play dallas. at 6or7 yrs old whos going to guard bob hayes the kids would say.

Chris's picture

I would put our first team defense in the Ugly section. I am pretty worried about those first 2 series. First Delhomme torches them on several plays (yes, THAT guy who usually is a INT machine the last years), and then Wallace. AJ Hawk once again showed that he cannot cover anybody.
And here I am thinking that usually at this time the defense is further along than the offense. If that's the case then good night to all of us.

dilligaff's picture

Ya, I was sort of stepping back on the AJ Hawk's Bandwagon, but after the preseason game it is clear what teams do when AJ Hawk is in there, they pass.

Hawk is one dimensional in a 3-4, he may stop a couple of run plays to only give up the big pass, so what have we gained?

IMO Havner is better against pass than Hawk.

ozcheesehead's picture

Haha, this article rules!

pat fermanich's picture

baluga at defence tackle.inplace of harrel

pat fermanich's picture

oh put harrel off tackle rodgers to kick him wiyh his spikes

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