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Around the NFC North: 2016 NFL Draft Edition

Around the NFC North: 2016 NFL Draft Edition

The 2016 NFL Draft has come to a close, and with it a new season begins.  The Packers made the playoffs last year, but the Vikings overthrew their reign as NFC North Champions in Mike Zimmer's second year as head coach.  The Lion's started off the 2015 season 1-7 only to respond with a 5-2 record over the final 8 weeks, and the Bears showed improvement in John Fox's first season as head coach.  Let's take a look at how the draft classes of our rivals balance the power in the NFC North.

Minnesota Vikings

1 (23) — Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
2 (54) — Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
4 (121) — Willie Beavers, G, Western Michigan
5 (160) — Kentrell Brothers, ILB, Missouri
6 (180) — Moritz Boehringer, WR, GFL
6 (188) — David Morgan, WR, Texas-San Antonio
7 (227) — Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt
7 (244) — Jayron Kearse, S, Clemson

Are the Vikings set to hold the North?
The key to defending their title as NFC North champions continues to rely on Adrian Peterson.  The Vikings' draft reflects the organization's commitment to Teddy Bridgewater as Rick Spielman selected 3 wide receivers to aid in the quarterback's development.  Laquon Treadwell was many analysts' top wideout, while Boehringer is an interesting storyline being the first German Football League player drafted in the NFL. 

The Vikings also found great value in the young defensive players they selected. Throughout the pre-draft process, Mackensie Alexander, Kentrell Brothers, and Jayron Kearse were all viewed in the top-5 of their respected positions.  The Vikings have at least two impact starters from their rookie class in Treadwell and Alexander, and many players to groom for their already young, impressive defense.

Best pick:
Treadwell.  Whereas I believe Mackensie Alexander to be one of the best corners in this class, Mike Zimmer can be stubborn about starting rookies in the secondary.  Thus, I believe Treadwell is the safest pick to be an immediate threat in his first year.  Bridgewater misses the days of throwing jump balls to Devante Parker at Louisville.  Treadwell has an impressive ability to highpoint the ball in traffic.  His speed won't dazzle and he has had problems with drops in the past, but he provides a large catch radius and redzone target for Bridgewater. 

Possible late-round sleeper
Jayron Kearse is intriguing to me both because of his measurables (6'4'', 4.48 40yd) and because Harrison Smith hasn't had a consistent partner at the strong safety position.  Kearse played for one of the best defenses in college football last season, and I had him ranked much higher than the 7th round.  He needs to be more consistent in coverage and Zimmer will have to motive him, but Kearse has the height, weight, speed combinations that could lead to a larger role early in his career. 

 

Detroit Lions

1 (16) — Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
2 (46) — A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
3 (72) — Graham Glasbow, C, Michigan
4 (111) — Miles Killebrew, S, Southern Utah
5 (151) — Joe Dahl, OT, Washington State
5 (169) — Antwione Williams, OLB, Georgia Southern
6 (191) — Jake Rudock, QB, Michigan
6 (202) — Anthony Zettel, DE, Penn State
6 (202) — Jimmy Landes, LS, Baylor
7 (236) — Dwayne Washington, RB, Washington

Which Lions Team Will Suit Up This Year?
New Lion's general manager Bob Quinn wanted to upgrade the trenches in his first draft.  He may have netted Week 1 starters with each of his first three picks.  Taylor Decker will most likely play on the right side and Glasbow will compete with Travis Swanson at center.  A'Shawn Robinson and Haloti Ngata will be huge forces on the interior of Detroit's line. 

The offensive line was a major issue for Detroit last season, but Quinn did little to address the sudden retirement of Calvin Johnson.  Even more pressure resides on Marvin Jones to live up to his huge contract.  The running game was inconsistent, at best, last year, so the Lion's better hope these linemen develop quickly and prove to be more important than the men catching the passes.  

Best pick
Robinson may prove to be one of the best picks in the entire draft.  He is a big, strong man with decent short-area quickness, but he lacks refinement.  Almost impossible to move, Robinson should at least provide stout run-stopping ability in year one. 

Possible late-round sleeper
Miles Killebrew has good size at 6'2'' and 217 lbs and is a physical in-the-box safety that could compete for a starting job in year one.  He looks to fill the hybrid linebacker-safety role that so many teams covet today.  He's not exceptionally fast but he hits hard and is strong for a defensive back. 

 

Chicago Bears

1 (9) — Leonard Floyd, OLB, Geogia
2 (56) — Cody Whitehair, G, Kansas State
3 (72) — Jonathan Bullard, DE, Florida
4 (113) — Nick Kwiatkoski, ILB, West Virginia
4 (124) — Deon Bush, S, Miami
4 (127) — Deiondre' Hall, CB, Northern Iowa
5 (150) — Jordan Howard, RB, Indiana
6 (185) — DeAndre Houston-Carson, S, William & Mary
7 (230) — Daniel Braverman, WR, Western Michigan

Have the Bears Bridged the Gap?
Jay Cutler had a surprisingly strong year in Adam Gase's offense.  Well, Adam Gase is conducting background checks in Miami, so the Bears focused mainly on Vic Fangio's unit.  Leonard Floyd was one of the most polarizing players in the draft, never shocasing consistent ability as a sack artist but born with incredible length and explosion.  Jonathan Bullard could prove to be a disruptive 3-techniquqe in the Bears defense. 

On offense, Cody Whitehair instantly upgrades the entire offensive line, showcasing the versatility to play across the line.  Jordan Howard could be a steal and instantly competes with Jeremy Langford for carries. The Bears will also be showcasing last year's 1st round pick Kevin White on offense. The Bears are building this team in John Fox's image: a tough, pressure defense with a strong ground game.  Their offense should be tougher and their defense will be faster in 2015. 

Best pick
The Bears traded up to grab Floyd, knowing he was a boom or bust pick.  For now, I'll take boom.  I think Fangio is the perfect coordinator to utilize Floyd's athletic ability off the edge.  Playing opposite Pernell McPhee, Floyd shouldn't garner many double teams. Floyd and McPhee, along with free agent signees Danny Trevathan and Jerrell Freeman, give Fangio a linebacking core that rivals any in the league. 

Possible late-round sleeper
Jordan Howard in the 5th round was an absolute steal.  I expect him to have an immediate impact in the running back rotation.  He trudges through defenders like a bowling ball and is a true north-south runner.  He reminds me of C. J. Anderson or Michael Turner. 

 

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ray nichkee's picture

There is no way the pack goes 3-3 in the division this year. It's time to take back the title.

COW's picture

I don't think a single one of these listed players would be a starter for the Packers this upcoming season.

4thand1's picture

You're trying to hard.

al bundy's picture

the quality of play we got our of some of these guys last year, I see some staters here for sure. Davante Adams is a prime example of someone who should be on the bubble. However, the tendency is to play high level draft picks so Ted doesnt look to stupid.

DesertPackFan's picture

Go back to managing your shoe store. You obviously have zero football or Packer knowledge.

porupack's picture

unnecessary. A guy should be able to say an opinion without this sort of insult.

WKUPackFan's picture

There's a difference between trolling and stating an opinion.

DesertPackFan's picture

Exactly. And clearly Bundy is trolling.

DrealynWilliams's picture

@Poru

You would think so. But hey, it is what it is.

4thand1's picture

some people crave insults

DesertPackFan's picture

Rings kinda hollow don't you think? Seeing as I offered you "food for thought", literally using the exact statement, in a very inocuous statement, only to be insulted and called names on another tread. Then followed it up a day or 2 later with HolmesMD, doing the exact same thing.

You might want to remember that before pointing fingers at others.

Lphill's picture

Vikings have an aging running back and a QB who can't read the defense or throw downfield, good defense but it ends there.

WKUPackFan's picture

Unfortunately for the Packers Teddy is actually quite excellent with reading defenses. His intelligence and film room work ethic in college was well known. There's nothing wrong with his arm either. His deep balls are not as pretty as most NFL QBs, but his accuracy was amazing at U of L.

As long as AP and his mouth are around, the Vikings offense will be poor. Also, their OLine is substandard, and their only trench pick is suspect. While this appears to be one of Speileman's (sp?) better drafts, not taking more Olinemen was not a good move.

4thand1's picture

I thought the knock on TB was he didn't throw a good deep ball.

Bearmeat's picture

His deep ball was...average. It was the mid level throws that were really really bad last year. Actually for almost all of his entire NFL career. Unfortunately for them, that is the area of the field that moves a passing game consistently.

TB is in a make or break year. When I watch him, I think "That's Mark Sanchez without the butt fumble."

As AP ages, their already pathetic offense will get worse. The Vikings will regress this year.

Nick Perry's picture

Actually the Vikings signed 2 Free Agent O-Linemen this past March, Alex Boone of the 49ers and Andre Smith. I know Smith had a down year in 2015, don't know about Boone but both are HUGE Road Graders in the running game. With that said a team like the 49ers with all the Cap Space they had make me wonder why they would let Boone walk. Smith I believe is on the downside of his career.
I also read an interesting piece on Beavers, the guy basically sucked. He was one of the worst rated LT in College Football last year. I agree WKU, should have addressed the trenchs. I'm sick of hearing what a "Steal" Alexander was too, he's on the small side and didn't have an Interceptions. Can't wait to see him on Cobb and Monty in the slot!

Community Guy's picture

it seems every team in the north got some upgrades. i feel the Bears have had an impressive off-season, including landing some great UDFAs. not sure how Cutler will perform this year under new management. Bears might be only one or two DBs away from being a mighty defense again.

with Stafford not fully into the game, it looks like the Lions need their QB of the future.

Treadwell would be dangerous in a more capable passing attack.. Vikings too AP centered to capitalize on Treadwell.

dobber's picture

Adam Gase leaving Chicago might unravel the progress Cutler made last season. They're going to miss him...

mrtundra's picture

Da Bears did not draft a QB. As a Packer fan, I have to like that.

DesertPackFan's picture

Why? Ilike Cutler as da bears QB. He likes to give us rhe ball back. My favorite non Packer in the NFL.

EdsLaces's picture

You can take boom all you want with Floyd ...I'm still taking bust.

COW's picture

Agreed.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I'm taking boom. I don't think it will be in his 1st or 2nd year due to his lack of strength. What can't Floyd do that Jaylon or Darron Lee can? I didn't mention Jack, because he doesn't have to run around blocks to get to the runner like the other 3.

holmesmd's picture

Clowney is much bigger and stronger as he was coming out of college. He can't hold up. How the heck is some tall, skinny guy like Floyd going to?! He's going to be absolutely smashed by NFL OL players and no, he's not a cover guy who can play in space. He's a slight of frame one trick speed pony who I predict, is going to get clobbered on the NFL. If he can manage to not get hurt, he will have little impact. Now McPhee, Houston, Trevathan, and McClellan will be much more likely to present a challenge IMO.

DrealynWilliams's picture

1) Why are you comparing him to Clowney?
2) I already acknowledged that he lacks strength and that it probably won't be until his 3rd season or so until he blossoms.
3) I know he's not a cover guy. He's a pass rusher that can also cover. Watch some film.

DesertPackFan's picture

Whats wrong w/ what Holmes said? Everything he said is true. How will Floyd hold up playing against OT in the NFL?

The really interesting thing will be to see how Floyd and Fackrell look and compare in 3-4 years.

Same build, same style of play, same skill set, same scheme, same position. Everything.

Guess you missed that.

holmesmd's picture

You sound salty dude? I guess we are numbering things for effect? SMH
1. If you don't know why I might compare him to Clowney, I'm not sure what to tell you. Think about it for a bit.
2. So the Bears blowing their load on this guy in the middle of r1 is a good deal if he develops in year #3? Seriously? Where was all this "patience" with Perry & Jones? Lol, I'll wait. If top half r1 guys don't contribute in their first year, most would consider that disappointing at least.
3. Your comment about "watching film" is dismissive and impolite. Do you know how much film I watch? Are you the YouTube video clip arbiter? Really? Just because you fawn over certain players and copy and paste links excessively doesn't mean that I need to watch more film. We all have access to YouTube and Draft Insider bro.;) Lol

DesertPackFan's picture

Nice reply. I gave him "food for thought" on another article (literally used that phrase no less) and he went off and called names and other non-sense. He went completely off for no reason and has had a chip on his shoulder ever since. Like we're not allowed to have opinions that vary from his. Same non-sense about watching film and what he knows that we don't.

Flow49's picture

McClellan is a Patriot I'm pretty sure

dobber's picture

And, somehow, they'll get value out of him (aside from breaking HOF-caliber QBs collarbones). Wait and see...

EdsLaces's picture

He's a string bean bro. He is that Dion or whatever his name was that was drafted outta Oregon a couple years back....WR body playing DE.

DesertPackFan's picture

Off the top of my head. Dion Jordan OLB Oregon. Drafted #4 IIRC (top 5 overall) Miami.

DesertPackFan's picture

Floyd will be playing a different position than Lee or Jaylon Smith. Lee 34 ILB and Smith 43 OLB vs Floyd a 34 OLB/edge rusher. Lets see how Floyd and Fackrell compare in 3 or 4 yrs. Same position, same build same scheme, they even have very similar skill sets. Now THAT will be the interesting comparison. Don't get why you would go w/ Lee and Smith, different shemes, different positions, different responsibilities, even tho Lee will be in NYJ 34 D he's an ILB, not a pass rusher/edge rusher, like Floyd.

Nick Perry's picture

I'll take Fackrell, especially when you consider WHERE the Packers got him. Like Montgomery was last year, Fackrell is my favorite pick. Fackrell is also pretty damn good vs the Run, he's stonger than Floyd AND the kid can cover and cover well. Floyd is a one trick pony and it's going to take a while before he's turning tricks! ; )

al bundy's picture

First, and I am not a viking fan but a Spielman Fan, again his draft rated out an A, and he stole another draft by not only getting good players but he obtained a 2nd and third round pick from Miami for 2017 besides. Thus he is loaded up for next year already.
I see the Vikings again taking the division. They have quality players at all levels, skills players and most important, speed.
The coach knows the team well and Teddy will really mature this year. He is no dope.
The Bears needed defense and they got it but weather that translates into wins this year, who knows.
The Lions are a mystery. They may be better but I can say the same for the pack, you just don't know yet.
All I know is I expect a cat fight in the NFC north this year. If the pack lose 4 or six I would not be shocked.

WKUPackFan's picture

We are talking about the same guy who in previous years repeatedly traded up, including for Cordell Patterson? Who has for years destroyed any chance for depth? Who signed the always great Josh Freeman?

Someone infused Spieleman with part of a brain for this draft. What's amazing is that he was still around to conduct it.

DesertPackFan's picture

Spielman clearly studied Thompson very closely to learn how to build and draft for his team. He's done reasonably well lately, but he's no Thompson.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I wanted to agree with you @Al on some of those statements, but at some point in your comment I couldn't tell if you were just a Vikings fan and trolling or a Packers fan and legitimately concerned about an up and coming Vikings team.

holmesmd's picture

Lol. Really? You and COW must smoke from the same bong. It's a QB driven league and no one else in the Division has anywhere near the talent Rodgers does. You profoundly overestimate the Vikings. I'm actually more concerned about the Bears. The Lions are sort of a dumpster fire. No Megatron and no one who can play clutch when it counts. GB wins the division this year. For all the TB fans, I'm a 48 y/o physician and I can throw with more velocity and accuracy than the duck balls he delivers. I'm sorry but he has BY FAR the weakest arm in the division. Stop the run against the Vikings with our healthy offense and they are toast. Cutler at least has the biggest arm in the league and can make all of the throws. If he gets some O line help, he can be very lethal. Stafford has a big arm as well but other than Tate and Ebron, not enough weapons.

DesertPackFan's picture

Sorry, I can't agree Cutler has the biggest arm in the division. I know he's got a strong arm, but now way he makes that 70 yd hail mary Rodgers unleased. I'm not even certain his arm is better than Staffords.

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Teddy.

holmesmd's picture

I think BR had a ranking of the top 10 arms in the NFL about 6weeks ago. I was astounded to see Rodgers at #5 and Cutler was first!? I'll try to find it. Cutler has a big arm man. Stafford's arm IS NOT bigger than Arod and if it was, his accuracy isn't close do it doesn't matter. The guy's career has been throwing to Megatron. Other than that lots of potential with nothing to show for it. Rodgers has owned Cutler, Stafford, and TB other than the perfect shit storm of last year!:) I predict you will agree bud?

DesertPackFan's picture

Oh, I absolutely agree Rodgers will own the division. :) LOL

I ranked them in order of how I think their arms compare. Staffords certainly isn't better than Rodgers, won't convince me Cutty's is stronger either. Neither Cutty or Stafford is near Rodgers in accuracy and especially not in the mental aspects (decision making).

Curious to see the article if you can find it. But it won't change my opinion on the matter (might be able to convince me of Cutty's arm over Stafford, I think its really close). :)

holmesmd's picture

Hahaha:P I respect your candor. This isn't the article but it's fairly similar. Lol. I will say that if John Elway thinks Cutler's arm is "special", that's enough for me! Lol. He's and interception machine but he can toss the rock bro, seriously!;)

DesertPackFan's picture

Thanks, I'll take a look.

I am curious as to your opinion and prognosis on the injury situations of Myles Jack and Jaylon Smith. I have a pretty good understanding of the human body. But their respective injury situations might be a little beyond my knowledge of them.

From what I have read, Jack had miniscus repaired (not sure if sewn or shaved down) and now it is being reported that his cartilage is seperating (thats what I've read) from the bone and he might be in danger of needing micro-fracture surgery sooner than later. I am not aware of any NFL players that have ever really completely recovered from micro-fracture to regain their former ability/performance level. It seems micro-fracture is pretty similar to an ACL about 20-30 yrs ago and a complete crap shoot.

Jaylon Smith was my favorite player in the draft. I was one of the few (possibly only) that thought the Packers needed to strongly consider taking him at #27. From recent reports he's suffering from "drop foot" in that the nerve isn't firing down to the foot. I've thought it was about 50/50 that he becomes the same player he was before. About 25% plays well in the NFL but not nearly as good as before the injury and 25% he doesnt recover enough to play in the NFL.

What's your prognosis on them and their NFL futures?

Amanofthenorth's picture

Poor guys, and glad they aren't our guys.

holmesmd's picture

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/4/29/11540586/myles-jack-knee-injury-nfl-dr...

The above is a very interesting take on how Jack may have tried to game the draft a bit by exaggerating the possibility that he would need surgery!? If Dr Andrews tells you that you don't need surgery, you don't need it. He is considered the to sports surgeon on the country. The meniscus injury recovery is not nearly as big of a deal but the concern is that it's often correlated with accelerated osteoarthritis. This is true especially in huge athletes who are pounding on their knees 8 months out of the year. My only concern with Jack is that he does have any further chondral separation he may require the surgery in the near future. I did this to my knee and it ended my athletic career. I had a piece of bone and the surface cartilage get "tourqued" off of my medial condyle! Tressler had to drill holes behind the piece to get a good blood supply to help fuse it in addition to driving surgical screws into the fragment to keep it in place. My knee was never the same and if Jack encounters this scenario, his may not be either!:( As of now, I would expect that they at least get 4 years out of the guy at worst but no one really knows for sure. Certainly some risk!

I really liked Jaylon Smith as well but the accurate odds you mention are certainly not very favorable. The major issue is the foot drop as you pointed out and there is just no way to know how much the nerve will recover if at all!? Nerves can take up to a year to heal. Even if that occurs, those muscles need to be reawoken after all that dormancy with no nerve impulses! One will have to relearn balance and a lot of subtle things these world class guys take for granted! It's really a shame an I wish him the best but the risk was obviously too high for GB. If the kid does return to form, DAL will have ended up getting the steal of this draft:)

holmesmd's picture

Here is a great article referenced in "Ask Vick" yesterday. It's a very good analysis. The only thing I would take issue with is the statement in the article claims that "the lateral compartment bears more weight than the medial compartment." That may be generally tru but in not in my case as I'm bow legged. It's all about vectors & physics. Unfortunately for me, my osteo chondritis dessicans leision in the medial compartment occurred in the weight bearing portion of MY right knee:(

http://www.mikeryansportsmedicine.com/microfracture-surgery-for-nfl-play...

Lphill's picture

Amazing how many Viking supporters on here, they won the division because of the injuries the Packers could not overcome, how would Bridgewater have performed if his receivers were injured ? Does not matter what he did in college it matters what he does in the NFL , so far not much . I guess when you throw 15 times a game and hit on 10 that raises your QB rating ,let's see him throw 35 plus passes a game when AP 's legs give up which will be soon.

barutanseijin's picture

The Vikes won the division because they beat the Packers at home in week 17. Rodgers had better stats than Bridgewater but at the end of the game the Vikes had 20 points and Rodgers' Packers had 13.

DesertPackFan's picture

Just stop it!! Your a fool of a Packer fan (alleged). Take you Teddy poster to bed now.

DrealynWilliams's picture

What did barutanseijin say wrong? Did barutanseijin give any opinions or was everything mentioned facts?

DesertPackFan's picture

He failed to acknowlege what others said about the Packers massive injuries (not to mention Rodgers own injury) affecting how that game played out. Are you argeeing w/ him and ignoring that too?

Thegreatreynoldo's picture

It might be that GB´s injured WRs were better than MN´s healthy ones. I do not think Bridgewater has had much in the way of targets. I am not a fan of treadwell at all, but he is a nice complement to what Bridgewater does well. No point in giving Bridgewater a bunch of Mike Wallaces.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I'm not a homer, so I guess that makes me a Vikings supporter.

holmesmd's picture

No, you just not might make sense to some people? It happens on occasion. Chill, it's all good.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Are you speaking for others or are you that somebody that's confused on what I said about the Vikings? Chill.

holmesmd's picture

I'm observing an interaction and trying to point something out to you. I speak only for myself. You seem defensive and smug so I'll just not say anything. Carry on....

DrealynWilliams's picture

Thank you

DesertPackFan's picture

I'll be really interested to see how a few comparable players develop over the next couple years.

For instance Floyd and Fackrell will be a very interesting follow. Both players are tall 6'5 or '6'6 very similar builds 245 give or take. Floyd is slightly more athletic judging by the combine and were used in college 34 Defenses. They should have smooth transitions into their roles. So which one is going to excel once they get to the NFL playing field. Which one can make the most of his ability and translate it to a productive careeer?

Another is Decker vs Spriggs. One likely to be a RT but Spriggs likely a LT. Decker will likely become an immediate starter, but who will be the better player in 3 yrs or at the end of the rookie contract.

I'll be keeping a close eye on Clark and Robinson, since personally I think Robinson is the better player. Tho Clark is a NT and Robinson a 43 DT, I think Robinson should have been the Packers choice at #27.

Highly interested to see how these comparisons pan out over the next 3 or 4 yrs. Its not too often we have such direct comparisons between the Packers draft picks and our division rivals picks.

RCPackerFan's picture

Yeah, it will be kind of neat to compare the players and their careers. Though you do have to take into account the systems they are playing in. For example, like you said Clark will be a NT in a 3-4 and Robinson will be a DT in a 4-3. There is a big difference in positions.

Some more comparisons you could watch.
BlakeMartinez and Kentrell Brothers.
Trevor Davis and Moritz Boehringer

lucky953's picture

Clark has never had surgery. I don't think he missed a game in three years. If Clark is the center anchor of our 3-4 for the next four years, it will be nigh impossible to look back and think "Robinson". Floyd "should" be the more impactful player, but we all know the serious limitations of "should". Can Fackrell play with his hair on fire? I'd be happy with that. For me, Spriggs is a prayer answered. He's going to be one helluva LT. WAY TO GO TED!
And I can't believe we're talking about Rodgers and Bridgewater in the same sentence. Our offense sucked last year for well-discussed reasons. It won't suck this year.

Tundraboy's picture

I'm with Lucky.

Amanofthenorth's picture

I'm in

4thand1's picture

Top 5 , maybe 1

holmesmd's picture

Fackrell and Floyd may have similar size but Fackrell is a much more physical player! He can also run and cover, unlike Floyd who will probably struggle. I want to see Floyd get mauled on his way around an OT, only to be met with a 240-250 FB or TE on a chippy!. Lol. The man is going to fold like a chair. Lol

DesertPackFan's picture

I tend to think they are very similar players in almost all aspects. Size for sure 6'6 244 compared to 6'5 245. Both need to gain significant strength to compete in the much more physical NFL. Both have some exprerience and traits to play in space and overage.

Here's what the NFL says in a nutshell. In case you haven't seen them. :)

Floyd 6'6 244, 33 1/8 in arm length. His 40, vertical and broad jump show tremendous explosiveness.
Extremely rangy with great chase speed. Has the traits to be highly effective in man coverage. Substantial pass rush potential with a variety of options to the quarterback.
Gangly frame produces marginal play strength. Loses fight for neutral zone at point of attack. Issues shedding blocks forces him into downfield tackler rather than backfield playmaker.
NFL Comparison: Eli Harold

Fackrell 6'5 245, 33 1/4 arm length
Rangy tackler who is able to shadow the ball all over the field. Combines forward lean, hip explosion and long arms to crank up speed-­to­-power pocket push. Upfield burst covers substantial ground in first three steps. Often dropped in space.
When edge rush stalls out, has average counter attack. Long-strider who struggles to make sudden inside moves once he gets going upfield. High center of gravity combined with lean lower half make it difficult to play through redirect blocks with contact balance.
NFL Comparison: Connor Barwin

Both cover alot of ground quickly in 1st 3 steps. Both are adept and experienced in space/coverage. Floyd is more eplosive and faster. Fackrell might be a little more physical, but he certainly has a ways to go in the NFL. Judging by the NFL comparisons, I'll take Fackrell's Barwin, over Floyds Harold. LOL

RCPackerFan's picture

I would say Floyd is probably more explosive when watching tape on him. But the biggest difference is where they were taken. Floyd was a top 10 player, where Fackrell was a 3rd round player.

The expectations are so much higher on Floyd then will be on Fackrell.

DesertPackFan's picture

i mentioned his explosiveness. I just used his combine numbers to show it.

Thanks for pointing out that Floyd was top 10 (and traded up for) instead of 3rd round. I never would have known. SMH.

RCPackerFan's picture

yeah, i just shortened it. :)

Your welcome. Just again pointing out the obvious.

Essentially what it does is make Floyd's pick more of bust type of pick.

I heard prior to the draft that Floyd was going to get over drafted because he is a speed type of rusher, and that is one of the trends in the NFL now thanks to Von Miller.
I do think Floyd will fit in the Bears defense well, but trading up for him in the first round, I think will put way to many expectations on him.

Fackrell I think could end up having similar numbers for his career but being drafted in the 3rd round makes it a hell of a value pick.

Basically what I'm saying is I will take Fackrell in the 3rd round over Floyd in the first any day from what I have seen.

dobber's picture

From the beginning, what I've been saying is that on early downs you'll run at Floyd...again...and again...and again. You need a back who's going to get to the corner regularly, but teams should be able to exploit this guy for years in the run game. The Bears will be force to play him only in passing situations...what kind of value is that on the #10 overall pick?

DesertPackFan's picture

There won't be a corner to get. It is the OLB job to set the edge to make a RB have to get to the corner. Since Floyd can't hold up there won't be a corner. Just run Lacy right at him and forget having to "get the corner". The corner will be obliterated and if Floyd actually is there, is he really going to do much to slow down a powerful Lacy? Run right at him, run right OVER him, run right THRU him.

holmesmd's picture

Exactly Dobber!!

Clay Zombo's picture

I say good, iron sharpens iron. Part of the reason GB gets to the playoffs so often and then loses right away has something to do with playing inferior competition in their own division. Mike McCarthy is no Belichick, he doesnt have the coaching chops to outsmart or outcoach teams that are his equal or better consistantly.

So an improved division might make getting to the playoffs more difficult but they should be more prepared to face playoff teams when they get there.

As for the Vikings, well GB played them and whooped em good the first time they met and only lost by 7 in the finale in arguably Rodgers worst season since his first as a starter. They are a good ascending team with a legit defense, if they improve on offense in Teddys 3rd year they will be tough to beat. GB has the horses to do it though but the gap is closing if it hasnt closed completely already.

Lions and Bears...meh. We'll see.

DesertPackFan's picture

McCarthy is no Belichek. Yet he's beaten him once and barely lost to him once w/ a backup, weak armed Matt Flynn at QB. Hmmm...

Most NFL insiders consider McCarhy one of the best offensive minds and playcallers. NFL insiders consider Belichek one of (if not THE) best defensive minds and playcallers in the NFL.

I'll give you Belicheks SB trophys. But I have to think we both can agree that the Defense falling apart and losing many of its best playmakers (not McCarthy) cost the Packers several SB opportunities. How much better would the Packers Defense have been in '11 - '13 with these players? And how many ST trophys?

Johnny Jolly - To drug suspension. Yes he was lost prior to the SB year. But he would have been in his prime and was a very good 5 tech DE. Very stout run defender and disrupted passing lanes (11 passes defensed one year?). He would have helped the run D in a major way, not too mention overall depth on the DL.

Des Bishop - A playmaking ILB to a severely torn hamstring. Basically amounting to a career ending injury, since he was never the same after.

Cullen Jenkins - A terrific 3 tech DE and interior pass rusher to FA.

2 HOF players in the Secondary
Woodson - to age, injuries and finally contract. The ultimate playmaking defensive player. 1st ballot HOF w/o question.

Nick Collins - Another outstanding FS and supreme playmaker. Headed to a HOF career if not for the career ending injury.

Just curious. Do you honestly believe that Belichek could have been able to keep the cheatriots SB contenders if he had lost that much talent overall, not to mention on ONE side of the ball, All lost in a span of about 2 years?

Just sayin.

Amanofthenorth's picture

....and Tim Lewis

Tundraboy's picture

All true. But it still irks me that MMs approach let Seattle get back into the NFCG.

RCPackerFan's picture

You can argue that.

But the truth is the Packers had that game won if not for so many things going wrong. if 1 of those things goes right the Packers win that game.

dobber's picture

What NFC-CG collapse? Seattle? I have no idea what you're talking about...

DrealynWilliams's picture

@RC

Do you think those many things were player mistakes or coaching mistakes?

RCPackerFan's picture

Mostly mistakes on players. Not on coaching.

Just some examples.
Was it the coaches fault that Clinton-Dix played that 2 pt conversion poorly?

Was it the coaches fault that Peppers told Burnett to slide down after his interception?
The part I do blame on the coaches was after the Burnett the offense was ultra conservative.

Was it the coaches fault that Bostick decided to not do what he was coached to do, and attempted to catch the ball instead of block, in which the guy he was supposed to block ended up with the recovery?

Just a few examples.

DrealynWilliams's picture

That's exactly where I was going to go. I can understand why people would have wanted MM to do more, but there were SOOOOO many errors players made that game. 80/20 - would be my opinion in the "blame" of players vs coach(es)

RCPackerFan's picture

completely agree.

Man, I hate thinking about that game...

Tundraboy's picture

"The part I do blame on the coaches was after the Burnett the offense was ultra conservative"

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

ray nichkee's picture

Belicheat at his HOF induction:

Walks up to podium.
Says "thank you tom brady!"
Walks away with a gold hoodie.

holmesmd's picture

BB was effusive in his praise of MM & the Packers after the Patriots defeat in 2014. I have rarely if ever seen him do this. Don't sleep on the respect the league has for this coaching staff. It's one of the best, no question.

DesertPackFan's picture

Its very clear that BB has the highest respect for McCarthy, likely Thompson as well. He has gone out of his way, unprompted to compliment McCarthy. I agree that type of respect from the HC almost unanimously is considered the best, should not be discounted. I sometimes get irritated when fans start trying to run him (and Thompson) of out town. There are very few HC or GM's that could do a better job.

Its laughable sometimes when they give Rodgers credit for making the Packers a SB contender, but fail to see that McCarthy is the man who developed him and Thompson is the man who gave him his chance in GB.

Lphill's picture

You would think this is a Vikings site not a Packers site , Vikings fans are obsessed with the Packers just read the posts on other sites , even when the post has nothing to do with the Packers they still mention them , they are so jealous of Rodgers it's scary, seems it's spilling over here.

DrealynWilliams's picture

Let's point out the Vikings fans.

Evan's picture

Things sure are pissy in this thread...

RCPackerFan's picture

yup.

DrealynWilliams's picture

I'll take it.

4thand1's picture

its usually shitty

Lphill's picture

No need to point fingers at Vikings fans I understand their frustration , but it's gonna continue for a long time to come , Bridgewater is not leading them to the promise land you can bet on that.

abad467's picture

Bears got a raw pass rusher in Floyd in the first. Wish da pack would have taken Kwiatkoski instead of the bears. Trading up to take Spriggs was genius by TT. Vikes got another good CB in Alexander, but I still think da pack have a better roster than the Queens.

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