"Should the Packers tank their season?"

Hmm... I don't think it's in a players or a coaches nature to tank. Like Jonathan alluded to it goes against human nature. Players and coaches WANT to win. GMs on the other hand DO tank, so if Gute pretty sure he'll be here in 2024, he's never going to say it, but trading Rasul was a statement he's all in on "The Tank".

Gute and MLF are like water and oil, gasoline and a book of matches, whatever way you want to spin it...They aren't on the same page and haven't been for quite a while. Matt LaFleur WASN'T Gutekunst's choice as Head Coach. He was Mark Murphy's. In a way I've always felt a bit sorry for Gute for that reason...At least a little sorry. I mean he can't even hire his OWN head coach?

IMO this team doesn't need to TRY to tank. The coaching staff assembled can't coach. Absolutely positively can't teach, and MLF no longer has a generational talent at QB to cover up his many flaws. The funny thing that's happening this season is I'm starting to see maybe, just MAYBE, Rodgers wasn't quite as douchey as I once thought. I still think he's a bit of an asshole, but I'm also starting to see what his issues were at the end.

I'm going to TRY not to get pissed anymore on Sundays. I mean why continue to scream at my TV screen when the guys wearing the G don't know any better. Let me rephrase that. They haven't been taught the right way because the Packers coaching staff just can't teach! The O-Line is regressing. The WRs aren't making any progress and Doubs and Watson are regressing. The TEs? I just hope they don't screw them up before the next coaches come in who CAN COACH.

Nope...Not getting mad. I'm just going to continue to watch with one eye closed as MLF guides this team to a 2-15 record. HOPEFULLY that nets them Drake Maye.

This isn't the first time i heard of tanking this season.

Here's the thing......

How did we get to this point?
How did we get here?
**************

First...The BOD's have to force Murphy to do his job, by dismissing Thompson of his duties.
Murphy then puts himself large and in charge in 2018 , even changing the Packers bylaws to empower himself
Power that the General Manager should have.
After 11 years, he now, first discovers silo's?
Impressive.

So Murphy wants to hire Russ Ball as GM. But McCarthy doesn't like it, So Murphy then hires Gute.
Murphy couldn't stand up to McCarthy?
Who runs the Packers, the head coach?
Then.....they fire McCarthy during the season.
But not after Murphy secretly gave McCarthy another year on his contract.
A going away gift?

Then Murphy promotes Gute, doesn't give him full GM powers, puts training wheels on him.
Murphy then hires MLF, Murphy introduces MLF for about 11 minutes to the media, then lets Gute speak for about 34 seconds.

Then you have all kinds of drama and dissension for a couple years under the watch of Murphy/Gute.
They give up on the 2020 team one win away from the Super Bowl and trade up and draft a bench QB for a few years down the road.
When asked back in 2020....Gute replied that the Jordan Love move was made in the best interest of the future of the Green Bay Packers.

Hmm....interesting.

So where are we today.....?
Losing to bad teams.
No Rodgers to blame for all the Packers management miscues.
6th worst record in the league.
A 17 week training camp for the offense, otherwise referred to as the 2023 season

In the 6th season, of Murphy and Gute running this team, this is where we are?

We are discussing tanking the season?
Some are talking about getting a new QB?

A new QB...what have the Packers been doing for over 3 seasons?
I thought they were preparing a new QB.
Isn't that why we drafted him #1?

Maybe it's time we get new leadership in Green Bay starting with a new President.
It's fairly evident the Green Bay Packer train has been driven off the tracks.

This obviously isn't working
Am i the only one who see's that?

I don’t think it’s a choice thing. At this point , which teams are we supposed to beat? We are the easy W everyone else has circled on their calendar.
If we’re only going to win one more game , let’s hope it’s against the Bears.

Tanking is a scandal. It’s the closes thing to game fixing.
And Gute should be removed as GM for his latest move.
The packer players were crying when Rusal Douglass
Got traded. Not only did this move effect the team chemistry.
It opened the doors for more poor play.
And made MLFs job that much harder,
Per trying to keep the team focused.
This GM has put all his eggs in one basket.
The youth movement works if your cheap.
But the quality of play usually shows up in the lost column.

We shouldn’t have to be patient. For anyone.
Everyone said this was a talented team.
Yet the odds makers knew different.
The integrity of the packers is the issue here.
From Re-Load to Rebuild to disaster.
It can only mean one thing. People must be fired.

"Should the Packers tank their season? "

The coaches and players never will. The front office? They chose not to. If they chose to we would have seen other players being shipped out besides Douglas. We would have seen them get rid of Jones, Jenkins, Clark, Smith, Campbell, Alexander, etc. They made one move late in the process. They know this is not a super bowl team, so they decided to make a move to try and help them in the future.

While I still don't like the move of getting rid of Douglas, its a move that in the broad picture makes sense. They got a 3rd round pick which can be used to move up in the 1st or 2nd round, or they can keep it. They keep the pick and they will have roughly 5 picks in the top 90, if they don't trade them. They could very well have 6 picks in the top 100 when all said and done. And in terms of value I don't think they have gotten better value for a player then they did with Douglas. They signed him off another teams PS and turned him into a 3rd round pick. It just shows how good Douglas was in GB.

these final 10 games will tell us a lot about the players on this team. It will tell us what positions they need to look to upgrade in the offseason, and what positions they are pretty good at.

When the draft comes, imo they need to take the best player available regardless of position. If its QB, WR, OT, DL, CB, S don't care. Take the best player available. Right now IMO, they need to look at OT and RB as 2 positions on offense that they have to improve in the draft. Right now who knows what will happen with Bakhtiari. I could see them potentially try and trade him, resign him, or cut him (not sure all the salary ramifications for any of those moves). But even if they brought him back, they need another OT. They could then move Tom inside if they wanted. RB they have to upgrade over Dillon. I like Dillon but he has become a 1 trick pony. He isn't fast enough to get to the edge and isn't enough of a sledge hammer to make people miss. They need an upgrade there especially with speed.
I would not hesitate to take one of the top WR's either. If they have a chance at Harrison or even Coleman I take them. Harrison is a generational type of WR. If he is available you run the card up. Coleman if he is the BPA, you take him. Defense has a lot of needs, but until they get a new DC, it won't matter what players they get. That is the first domino that needs to fall. I really wish it would fall during the season to just see how the defenders react with a different voice leading the unit.

The most important thing for this team is to finish strong. remember last years Lions team? They started out bad, but finished strong. It gave them momentum heading into the offseason and they started out very strong this year. That is what GB needs. They need a strong finish to give them momentum heading into the offseason and for next seaason!

No tanking the season! Period!

Love's been on the bench for 3 seasons, let him knock off the rust.

People say that rookies can come in and do better. They've been playing competitive football straight through since they were in grade school. They'll hit a wall or ledge too (and most have), in the NFL

It'd be like taking your first swing with a club at Agusta after not playing for 3 years. You may have practiced, but you didn't have any pressure and weren't playing against the best in the world.

Personally, I don’t believe in tanking. To me, the losses they get in terms of morale, mindset, and effort are not worth whatever rewards are on the other side. As you stated, those rewards aren’t guaranteed to be successful for the team. I do agree that the team would be more fun and interesting to watch if they were more experimental. I haven’t yet called for Lafluer to be fired, but if it turns out he’s been deliberately making the Packers lose I will immediately call for his termination.

First off can we all agree that Rasul wasn't, isn't the guy that the defense can't do without? Please. We were losing and looking bad with him. That said, we don't know the real reason why he was shipped out. My speculation is that he was the clubhouse leader who may not have been preaching the party line. If he was clashing with management (aka Joe Barry) the organization had no choice but to get rid of him or possibly face a mutiny. This is what Gute was hinting at when he kept saying the team was committed to "staying with the process". Tanking is fan speak for being losers. It's easier to say we're tanking than admitting our team is just crappy. Are we tanking (crappy)? The answer is yes, but that is an admission, not a strategy.

The sad part is that I don’t think anyone on the Packers is trying to tank.

This is the result of them trying to win.

Exposed, dysfunctional and horribly inept.

Clean House!

I don't believe in tanking especially this early in the season. Any responsible organization cannot and hopefully would not risk their players health for the next 10 games by telling them to not play their best. At the NFL level a player can't be playing at a 90% or 80% level against opponents who are giving 100% on every play.
That will get players hurt and possibly end their careers. That is no way for guys like Clark, Alexander and Preston Smith to go out for example.

I'm not expecting this Packers team to turn this season around and into a playoff run but I don't want to see them give up on the field either. It's just wrong on too many levels. If they get down to the last few games and they want to put in all the young players including Clifford to see what they have that's fine. But now with 10 games to go no way.

I'd rather see the Packers send a message to the team by chucking either MLF or Barry now and letting the team know that they're not giving up and they are trying to provide coaches who can actually teach the players how to play or provide schemes that they can actually be successful with.

The problem is and has been the decision making process and the resulting decisions made by Murphy and Gute since 2018. First the silos, then the decision to hire MLF, then Gute's drafting and then MLF's coaching hires and in game decisions. The competence level is what concerns me the most especially since I don't believe that MM will make any changes prior to his retirement. Yes, it's possible that they will fire Barry at the end of the season but to what end? That does not necessarily mean they will hire a better DC. Even with a top 5 or top 10 draft pick it doesn't mean that Gute will make better draft selections.

There are numerous systemic issues with the Packers organization that have been exposed during the 2023 season so far. I'm still hoping that this team can come together this season and at leastimporve to the point where they provide some hope for 2024. That's why I'm against tanking. Don't give up on the players yet. Instead find ways to help them play better and improve themselves. That's what professionals do. That's what they are paid to do. Do the right things and the results will come even if it takes time. But try for and play for incremental improvements on a game by game, week by week basis. That is what I hope/expect the Packers as an organization would be trying to do. I'm just not very confident that the FO or coaching staff are up to the task. Thanks, Since '61

A team that has scored less than 20 points off schemed plays doesn’t have to try to tank. We are watching one of the worst coaching staffs imaginable get exposed cruelly. We can’t make changes, we apparently can’t prepare effectively at the individual or group level and we have been tactically whipped.

We are seeing why our former rosters never made it to a Super Bowl in maddening fashions. His name is LaFleur. Until he goes, no one and nothing much progresses.

I would settle for competent play on both sides of the ball, record be damned.

This team has volunteered for the dunk tank and every team on the schedule is Missy.

https://youtu.be/SzJlVp5fKKY?si=jotxvLKEriG3Ox_6&t=60

Can't disagree with most of you. I doubt that this is a blatant "tanking" but trading away one of your better and more consistent players on a thinning defense isn't helping our "exceptionally" young team. When Gutekunst used the phrase "our focused is on beating the Rams this weekend" during his Rasul Douglas presser, I saw just how greasy things are in these front offices. This trade, while yielding a 3rd round draft pick did more to damage this team and that locker room than any other action. As much as I don't think Matt Lafleur is the guy, I feel for him. Give him a room full of babies then when things are getting bad take away one of his glue guys to mess up a somewhat stable part of his team. I can imagine what that conversation went like - if it even occurred. A tank by any other name.

High draft picks do not automatically mean a player is going to change the trajectory of a franchise. Just ask Arizona. Or SF, who traded a boatload of picks so they could move up and pick Trey Lance. Or the Bears, who did the same with the franchise saving Mitchell Trubisky. And yes, Harrison may be a "generational talent". But if the QB isn't accurate, or the offensive game plan is unimaginative and predictable, then he'd be another wasted pick. Sometimes it works. Much more often, it doesn't.

What would we be tanking for? Better draft picks? We will never see the #1, nor the #2 spot, in the draft. So, if you are thinking we can draft Caleb Williams or Marvin Harrison, Jr., you'd better think again.

Where has all the positivity gone? RELAXING is the way forward. Trust the breathing. Trust the quiet mind that accepts all things. Sweet relaxation.

No tanks.

I agree with a lot of previous commentors, we don't have to tank. The Packers are just that bad and probably aren't going to get better. I had hope when the season started that they would be fun to watch and be a roller coaster in the win loss department. That changed for me leading up to the Broncos game. I just felt like they didn't have much of a shot to a team that was playing horribly at the time and now every week it seems like it would be an upset for them to win. Worse than the losing though is seeing nothing that would give you hope that it can change or even be fun to watch.

Side note: I was looking forward to seeing what Love was going to be like. I didn't know if he would be good or bad or just average. What i have learned is he is just a guy so far. Not overly accurate (could be the route running) especially on deep passes and really haven't seen anything that made me go "wow, this guy is going to be good". Contrary to that, I watched Levis for the Titans last night, and while he made some bad mistakes he had a lot plays that made me go "wow, this guy is goin to be good". Time will tell but so far i just haven't seen it with Love.

MLF & staff cannot coach & develop this team.

MLF &staff will not coach & develop this team.

If EITHER is correct that is grounds for termination!

On the job training the norm, then why have assistants??

I think there is a bit a magical thinking among fans about year 2025. I hear over and over that fans are willing to wait obediently for an entire two years until the day Murphy finally retires.
Then, poof!- a competent, authoritative GM/HC will suddenly appear on the scene and like a super-hero will make things right again.
-He will be competent
-He will hold players accountable
-He will...

We forget that the current regime will likely contaminate this process. Some fellas will want to remain., Gute, Ball?, some may elbow their
way onto the board-Murphy ? (protecting Titletown interests). These guys are political operators and will likely need to be excised by some muscle.

Outstanding write up Jonathan! Stop worrying about winning or losing because we're not going anywhere this year!

Play everybody (except for newman)! Get these young players (backups) on the field to see if they can play. We'll never know what we have sitting on the bench unless we put them in the game. If they aren't contributing, get rid of them!

Tanking is wrong but there is nothing wrong with playing rookies to find out if they can contribute or not.

The concept of tanking implies some level of ability to win that is not being fully pursued. I'm not sure that ability exists.

'Tanking' allows Murphy/Gute protection from valid critiques by national media, fans. 'Oh, GB is not responsible for the quality of their play/coaching', yada yada-they're in tank mode for the next 10 games.

As another witty poster said-'It's time for Operation CYA'

I have seen enough of this team and coaching staff.

It is decision time, just like everyone always said, it would take 6 - 8 games to get a feel for things.

So... the decision comes right around... you guessed it...

TANKS-giving!!!

Not a bad idea , treat the whole season like pre season. Play those deep on the bench and see what's there. Put the studs on limited play count and work on getting everyone healthy. If a late third round was good enough for Rasul then 4-5 wins should be what we strive for in the way of improving our draft picks. I don't like it but I don't like what we're putting on the field now..so why not ?

A president that presides over the wrong things
A GM that drafts poorly
A HC who is a poor judge of talent (coaches)
A HC who cannot plan, nor make in-game adjustments
A HC who does not inspire / lead men
Assistant coaches who can't teach
Players who can't execute

Yes that's a trainwreck. Problem is, we're in an undesirable climate, small market draft & develop team. It all becomes a catch 22 when the talent is not drafted and developed. Since'61 mentioned a year or two ago "rats leaving a sinking ship." It's a shame that 3RG (aka 3rd Round Gute) shipped out a player that wanted to be here--leadership on defense is something we've been missing since the arrival of Smith Bros & Amos of '18 -- 5 years ago--last semblance of it that I can recall. Don't be surprised to see outspoken peeps like Jaire want out next...established vets avoid rebuilds. We now have to endure the natural progression of losing as the decay eats away from the inside--have to crash & burn to force change and renew.

I cannot believe that we are seeing articles like this one being posted
Have we forgotten what our Legendary Coach who put Green Bay, WI
on the map once said :

“Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing,”

But then again The Three Stooges were not in charge
in the 60's like they are today

Right now the last thing I want to see is players trying to lose games. We are doing too much losing at the present time and it's too easy for losing to become a way of life.

Won’t the tank be fun on the CHTV forum?
Option 1) Packers continue to struggle and lose most/all of their remaining games. We get to hear how bad Love, Watson ant etc are. How stupid MLF, Gutey and Murphy are.
Option 2) Packers win a few games in the next 10. These guys are too dumb to even tank correctly.
Can’t wait. Should be an interesting winter on CHTV forum.

Quite possibly the dumbest question ever asked here.

No.

- MLF and JB need to go. These guys are playing tic-tac-toe in a chess league.
- MM needs to stay in his lane and let Gute pick his HC

I cannot believe that we are seeing articles like this one being posted
Have we forgotten what our Legendary Coach who put Green Bay, WI
on the map once said :

“Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing,”

But then again The Three Stooges were not in charge
in the 60's like they are today

Tank you Packers, tank you very much. 😁

My thoughts, HCs play the short game and GMs play the mid to long game.

As stated earlier, I am going to enjoy (the best I can) this season since it will play into any decisions for the next several plus seasons which will be very intriguing.

*#12 (now #8) is no longer on the roster, but if you feel the need to constantly go back and discuss him, do so. Keep in mind however his last season play, attitude and salary ramifications to the roster and most current injury. Then, vacillate how this season might have played out with him on the team. How could that affect the success and makeup of the team going forward. Then let's see and discuss the Love draft pick ad nauseam and how it affected #12 and the team. Then let's forget how drafting Love lit a much-needed fire under #12 that was equivalent to drafting a home run pick two years in a row.

*Live in the past if you want...I am excited about how this season and the next ones play out. I may not like the record but at least we needed to move on. Some are able and willing to do so. Others not able or willing to do so. But hey, if that floats your boat...have at er.

Hope floats,

Pantz

**I had a dream...Family Feud...We're Not Idiots vs Smartest Guys in the Room...it ended in a tie! Confetti was falling from the rafters and the people in attendence were doing "the wave". Great theater at least, quite entertaining. Now, back to PBS I go...

On a serious note, thinking of buying 'The Greatest Story in Sports" 4-volume Packers history book by Cliff Christl. So I must apologize, since I am going back and relearning the past of this great franchise. I apologize for my outburst. 😁

Tanking? How about a new think-TANK at HC or OC?

Life can be scary, but if you want to keep your Bob the Builder underwear clean...you look danger in the eyes...and proceed to pull those cherished underoos around your ankles and with authority, go #2. But remember lil' fellar, the job isn't finished till the paperwork is done.

High five from me, pantz!🍻
Just how many different horses can we beat to death? Can it really be considered tanking if you're just plain bad?

Hell no on tanking games, it doesn't guarantee you anything in the future. But building a losing culture is the last thing you want to do. I want to see improvements & gains throughout the remainder of this seasons and hope that comes with as many wins as possible for this team. No improvement from this point on would be an indictment on this young roster & recent draft class as not being quality NFL players and if that were the case would put us much further behind the 8 ball than you think we are. Play with pride & detail and this accountability goes to the coaching staff as well. As always "GO PACK GO" and carry the G 24/7/365.

This team played there ass off and won two games agaisnt the soft part of the schedule. They are tanking without planning. One thing that is working for them.
Keep in mind, a low number doesnt mean Gutt stays pat. I say he trades back and passes on a qb for an additional pick. Hell look at a qb to back up Love later rounds. Why? If he picks a qb he is admitting he fd up. Not happening. He comes first fans come second.

First order of business after this season is to get rid of the whole stinking cabal. Murphy, Gute, and MLF. NONE of them are actually very good at their jobs. Then do WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO to get Drake Maye. He can be another Rodgers, no joke. Big arm, and an accurate passer. Something Love will never be. Then, maybe, we can be an actual contender again in a relatively short time. Maybe.