Think back to last year, the Philly game. Love looked very good. Now compare that performance to this year, and consider what are the main differences. The biggest differences is an all rookie or 2nd year WR/TE crew, and no Jones at RB. Additionally, the WR/TE were basically trained by AR or at least had some leadership expectations. I am not sure this receiver crew is a fair indication of a QB's ability. It seems to indicate that MLF's cannot teach his system. Has anyone seen progress? I would expect the second year players to be better. The route running is a clown show and that's on MLF, stenovich, and WR coach.

Love's long ball is simply too inaccurate. Some of the biggest plays in early games were the PIs, and contrast that with the biggest plays in the latest losses are the INTs. In the denver game, there was a no chance toss out of bounds pass on 3rd down when in red zone, then the dual possession td pass that was off target. Then deflection TD pass was behind but Doubs should have had it. Then the extremely poor toss up for grabs on 3rd down to end game when he should have done the clear check down for 10+ yards.

OL is consistently inconsistent.

The defense is simply not good enough, again. Too weak against the run, and while poorly coached teams will ignore that and still try to pass, think back to the SF playoff game where SF threw only 8 times and simply dominated the packers defense on the ground. Yea, it's what good coaches will do. Simply exploit the weakness repeatedly ad nauseum.

After thinking about it overnight, I am quite down on MLF. I have seen no improvement and maybe even some regression in 2nd year players. MLF really needs to get his system taught to the receivers. They need to get something that they can do right and consistently. I can see the packers opponents watching the tape of packers receivers and just laughing.

"So will Green Bay shut the season down and already start to look toward the 2024-25 season by tanking for the remaining 11 games?"

Voluntarily...No. Involuntarily...quite likely.

"We are just getting started on this rollercoaster of a season."

You have to have climbs to have a rollercoaster ride. This one has dips that take you lower than ground level, and the two non-exhilarating climbs were just small clumps of dirt on the track.

Is it considered an El Nino or El Ninja when the Packers suck for an entire season?
GPG!

An immediate concern - is Christian Watson injury prone such that he will be unable to fulfill his promise “

This site more than most talked about how deep and good the OL. I always questioned that assessment. This OL hasn't been good for a couple of years against top talent and now it isn't even good vs below average talent. Walker and Tom are not a good OT tandem and outside of Jenkins I don't see any one who can stop their own shadow.

The woes are just beginning alright and it won't stop until we get a new GM. The drafts we do know about aren't good. Sure he hits on one or two high picks but you can't build a roster just hitting on one pick a draft and the rest are guys who can't make the roster. I am not asking for all pros in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, just guys who can contribute. 2018 is exactly how Gute drafts, Alexader is a good pick but the rest of the draft was trash. 2019 was his only decent draft with Gary and Jenkins but you should hit on top 15 picks. 2020 is looking bad 2021 isn't much better (Amari Rodgers already gone from that draft). This is how rosters turn bad in a hurry.

Next is the cap management. That has been awful. Either build around Rodgers or go with the new draft pick. Don't pay one and hamstring the other when you make the transition, have a plan and have the guts to stick with it. Waited too long to trade Rodgers then gets very little in return, not even a 1st round pick.

I don't really have a problem with MLF other than keeping Barry around. This team isn't good, about 4 or 5 wins is all I expected. They need a better GM. Gute isn't the guy to make this rebuild, he doesn't draft well enough.

It’s hard for me to believe that Jordan Love has been in Green Bay for 4 years and now it comes out he can’t throw the ball 20 yards down the field? No one knew this? If they did know, what are we doing with Watson?
Should we have focused on a power running game and a bunch of Edelmans?

When Rodgers took over in 2008, team was built to make sure he succeeded.

Offensive line
Both OTs (Clifton and Tausher) with 8 years experience and both are in the Packer HOF.
C Scott Wells became a Pro Bowler and experienced Packers OL call him one of the best they every played with.
That's the 3 most critical OL positions in far, far, far better shape than 2023 team.

WRs
Donald Driver (9 years) was a great veteran leader
Greg Jennings starting 3rd season...that's more than anyone on 2023 team.
James Jones starting 2nd season. Puts him in Doubs, Watson, Touri experience range.
Ruvell Martin starting 3rd season...that's more than anyone on 2023 team.
Jordy Nelson was a rookie (2nd round #36 overall pick).
That's 4 of the best Packer WRs of the last 20 years on that team and leadership to help #36 overall pick Jordy learn what was required to be in the NFL

TEs
Tory Humphrey (4th year)
Donald Lee (6th year)
Jermichael Finley (rookie just like Musgrave and Kraft)
Packers have no one on the team with Lee or Humphrey's experience.

This offense has lacks veterans to teach these kids what is required.

Gute is the one who didn't learn from successful GMs through history.

Are the Packers' woes just beginning? Could be. The litany of injuries certainly isn't going to help matters.

"They are an awful team and not enjoyable to watch at all." The fair weather fan side of me is beginning to creep in, as I was relieved to forget about the Packers and watch the baseball playoffs. We're supposed to be seeing some progress at this point, but there's really none to be found. I don't want to wait a season and a half for a coaching/organizational overhaul.

Fans should be prepared to grin and bear as much as they can. That being said, Gute should be listening to any attractive trade offers coming his way to stockpile draft picks. We're going nowhere. It's not tanking, but just being smart and acknowledging reality.

We haven't won a game since Watson returned. While you always hate to see players unable to suit up, I don't know how much this potential loss affects the evaluation process of Love.

Putting your players in the best position to succeed: Look no further than a few miles south to the Bears. They started Tyson Bagent, a rookie UDFA out of tiny Sherperdstown and not only won, but looked damn good doing so.

Concerns about Love aside, the Packers need to have a plan to rebuild the offensive line going forward, and that includes putting your best players out there NOW. A few of these guys...well, I think we've already seen their ceiling and it's either time to see the bench or completely move on.

What roller coaster? It's been all downhill since game 1.

Won't change much until MLF and his sad sack of assistant coaches are flushed down the drain.

This is not a question of what kind of season the team is going to have. That has become obvious at this point. The real question is whether this is a one year phenomenon, or whether the Packers are going to go through another dismal period like they did in the '70's and '80's. Because if Love is not the answer, the team is going to be desperate for a viable replacement. And that can be a long and frustrating process.

AR12 said it years ago, Packer MGT do not draft well or bring in enough veteran free agent talent. So this year MGT has produced a AAA football team in the NFL. They will be lucky to win another game. The Packers will probably obtain a very high draft pick next April. I don't want these idiots in the front office making another draft pick. Time to bring in new MGT. Murphy and Gute need to go ASAP. This season is over, time to rebuild the Packers from the top down. MLF and his coaching staff are working with young inexperienced very limited talented kids. How is our #1 pick Lukas Van Ness doing he wasn't even a starter in College... It all starts at the top folks...

On the final play, Why not toss to a WIDE OPEN A.J. Dillon, the check down?

We needed to move on at QB to recover from the recent years chasing the ultimate prize. We all knew that doing so would show very clearly what was left behind and why we had been so successful till the season before last.

Well, the answer has arrived a little more starkly and clearly than expected. The success was a good roster assembled from the ashes of 2017 led by Adams and Rodgers. Without that it’s clear from last year and this that LaFleur is no offensive genius and that the staff he has assembled is terrible.

We had to find out. The problem is it’s such a mess it’s making the talent hard to evaluate rationally and may actually damage it. There’s no hiding from it, LaFleur has to go, with it his assembled “Draytons”.

Is that enough? Maybe. I want to see Love with the best OL we can put out there and an emphasis on run blocking too. I want to see the skill players with a coherent offensive plan and complimentary routes. Then we can judge them and Gute.

Another year of LaFleur would be disastrous. Don’t fall into the trap of legitimizing inaction. The louder we are, the more the ball rolls and it has to before we see daylight.

Pretty much correct. What happened to all the workouts by Love that he did in the off season? Looks like he has regressed.

Barry is a out and out loser. He plays light fronts which gives up running game. Week in and week out they can't stop the run. Then he plays a soft pass defense. 5 to 8 yard gains are common. This results in long drives which happen all the time. This is a losing strategy. Best to dump him now and see what they can do the last 11 games. It's insanity doing the same thing each game.

They have to let Love grow this season. At least for the next 6 games. Lafleur has to simplify the offense to see if they can get better execution. But after game 12 when the post season is gone, best better find out if Clifford has something. He just seems to me as very competitive, aggressive in his approach and Farve like in his demeanor. It is very possible at game 12, the Pack will be 2-10 or 3-9.

What has to happen is Lafleur needs to do something different. Period.

The problem with calling this a roller coaster season is that a roller coaster goes up, down, and continues until done. The season went up and then it went down and has not gone up. I would compare it to a parachute jump and if this continues it will be one without a parachute until we go splat and make a big mess.

Fire LeFleur. Berry, Gutenkist, and Mike Murphy the worst of them all. Great realtor, knows shit about football. I lived thru the 26 years from Bart to Brett. Get ready we have the clowns in PLACE to make it happen again.

Gone Pack Gone

Does Love need to play better? Yes, but he doesn’t have very much working in his favor when it comes to things out of his control. Outside of Aaron Jones, this team doesn’t have any proven, explosive players. In ‘93 Favre threw more picks than TDs, and he had Sterling Sharpe, Edgar Bennett, Mark Chmura, Robert Brooks, etc. All guys that were pretty proven play makers. Aaron Rodgers inherited a team that almost went to the Super Bowl the year before he took over. Also, Holmgren and McCarthy were moving their respective teams in the right direction prior to the new QBs, whereas Lafluer’s offense looked really bad last season. So, yeah Love has to improve, but he’s in a pretty dismal situation. Aaron Rodgers couldn’t even bring them into a wild card spot last year, and he still had a handful of vets to work with. All we can do is hope Lafluer comes up with better game plans, and that the team as a whole shows improvement over the next 11 games. No changes are gonna be made this season, so we all gotta ride it out.

I find Love's deep ball woes perplexing. His college tape is littered with great deep ball throws and now, 4th year in the NFL it's like he's forgotten how. I almost wonder if he's got an undisclosed injury that's sapping his deep strength. Or is he just overthinking everything? Time will tell, I guess.

Being in New Jersey, I was mercifully not able to watch the game, but what I hear doesn't sound good. MLF and his whole "illusion of complexity" BS system needs to go. But I don't think FO will do that no matter how bad the season goes. That would look like Murphy made a mistake when he hired him after one interview. I think the best we can hope is that they get rid of the oc , dc and ol line coach and maybe hire real coaches. I think we are stuck with mlf for foreseeable future along with the mlf team personality. Packers will have a high draft choice they should probably use to get a top tier qb. But I don't trust current FO to do that either. Drafting another QB would make it look like another FO mistake in drafting Love.

All this typing… three things stand out. Love can’t hit a target. The coaching is awful. And right now the entire organization top to bottom is not competitive.
One drawback to not having an owner is there’s no one vested to step in and shake things up. Just a whole bunch of entrenched folks propping up and making excuses for each other to protect their lofty positions from the board to the place kicking holder coach.

Love should be benched, it’s not just his long ball. He’s proven incapable of throwing receivers open over half of the receptions are contested. His throws are a second late leading to contested catches his long ball comes up short. Let’s give Clifford a chance to show what he’s got may as well evaluate both guys before next year’s draft.

The Denver loss is absolutely disgusting.
I’m wondering if we shouldn’t have traded Watson for J. Taylor after-all?
What do y’all think about trading Love before the deadline and and rolling the dice with Clifford—I would do it.
Let’s go after Jim Harbaugh and Leonard next year…or perhaps the college coach from Washington?
Sad to be speaking of next year, but very frankly, I’m not sure we win even one more game; we’ve played all the teams we might have beaten.
Maybe we beat a crappy Vikings team—-that would my attitude.
Go Packers!!!

At this point, I would rather tank. This is an unwatchable team. They are getting worse by the week. I don't think MLF should be back next season.

I am laughing a little now and wondering where all the folks are who were certain in preseason that we had such a great roster of WRs, TEs, and new D-line guys that we would be a good team this year. People so happy to show Rodgers the door, when without him we are seeing how much he was carrying the team. In the summer, I kept writing that all we had right now was potential; that nothing had been proven that any of these young guys were any good. They are not proving to be good at all.

For years, GB had seasoned vets at WR that would show the youngsters how to be an NFL WR. That's not happening anymore and it shows. And everybody so mad at Rodgers for not throwing to younger guys . . . do you understand why he was so demanding? he didn't want to turn the ball over, like Love is doing regularly.

Remember when Vince addressed the team for the first time, and Bart was so moved he sprinted for the payphone in the basement of the dorm at St Norbert College, grabbed the blower and asked the operator to connect him with Cherry in Alabama? His first words? "Honey, were gonna win!" Nothing like that is about to happen.

There's plenty of blame to go around, and a ton of bad luck on the injury front. Murphy will stay through his retirement and savor his reward when the Draft is held in Green Bay. There's likely a succession plan in place with Russ Ball's name at the top. Coaching changes will likely be made in the offseason, but I don't expect any drama before then. It's Green Bay. We cannot upset the Martha Circle at Our Savior's Lutheran, can we? The CEO of Kwik Trip and President of Arien's will not initiate a coup to overthrow the Attorneys and PR professionals on the Board.

Doesn't matter if the stands are full. The broadcast revenue will prop everyone up forever and a day. This team will get better. The talent is there, even at QB. Keep the faith in the best way possible while grinding your molars to dust. Has anyone seen Bob Harlan?

"...but it was too late at that point." Didn't you watch the game? GB took the lead late and Barry went to PREE-vent defense and let Denver take it back with little trouble. And then GB could still have won the game, but JL made a mistake typical of first-season QBs and tried for the "Analytics" deep pass instead of getting to FG position again. Bad as the offense was for most of Sunday, it was the DC and playcaller who blew the win.

I for one am going to assume we are just finding out that LeFleur aint a rocket scientist but he sure jumped to go to a team with a HOF QB. Now that Rodgers is gone we can clearly see how much he carried this team on his back and made up for LeFleurs lack of coaching.
In other words, he made LeFleur look the genius when in fact he was not but certainly pretended to be. Fact is we got a loser of a coach who has no clue what to do with Love and how to create an offensive scheme to score points.
Our receivers are wallowing in swamp water waiting for someone to get them the dam ball. Our TE's are the only receivers other then the backs on screen passes. This is the Lefleur offense now without Rodgers.

The woes will continue as I predicted.
And with all the negativity toward MLF.
No support equals Kiss my butt.
Dillion is not a game changer at RB.
No speed equals a easy tackle in the NFL.
Light on your feet means the WRs go down easy.
The packers have athletes not Football players.
Guys that impressed Gutey in their underwear.
The injuries will continue.
Because a bad team has soft players.

-I do think it's true that as long as the stands are full, nothing will change.
I also think fans have the right to expect a good product.

Cowerd said previously said that MLF was mistakenly given a key to the coaches lounge—agreed.
Is there an offensive schematic?…throwing check downs to the sideline does not a seem like a legitimate scheme.
And, Love’s recent INT’s are deplorable. It’s embarrassing that Bagent, Howell, Dobbs, and Ridder, are playing better.
What a mess.
Go Packers!!!

As long as the Packers organization remains profitable, this will be as good as it gets (70 and 80s redux). Just be thankful y’all still have an NFL franchise. BTW, don’t expect any significant changes until ‘26 or later as The Head Cheese Mark Murphy doesn’t retire until 7/25. GPG!!!